It's disgusting how bad this family was disrespected and mistreated by the police. They were treated like they were the criminals.

Hats off to Jon and Lori in their endless efforts to seek the truth in the murder of their father Andy. May he RIP.

God the amount of corruption in this is insane!

This is why good cops can't last...the ONLY good cop involved in this case was IMMEDIATELY demoted for simply doing her job. Smdh

Bravo to these two children for their tenacity and bravo to Jiles for having the huevos to shine yet another light on the continued blatant corruption.

One of the more infuriating cases I've heard. My blood boils thinking what this family has been put through. So much for 'protect and serve'. :(

WOW...that was a seriously HEAVY story. Props to Geraldine and the kids for never giving up. I can't imagine their frustrations and disappointments along the way. 💔

How can anyone say Andy was good for nothing after all the things he accomplished before he was 16. Holy cow, the guy was a prodigy. It's too bad he made so many stupid decisions. He could have been a millionaire. He was extremely talented. He and his ex-wife raised two very special kids.

A "good for nothing criminal"?! He worked since he was 8 years old!

I can only imagine all the cases they messed up, innocent people put in jail. And those cops got to retire and live in peace. What incompetence from the police department. Scary to think of how many cases weren’t solved, innocent people put in jail, and just down right police corruption that went unnoticed. SMH shame on the PD

How disgusting of the police...and yet, in contrast, the love Andy's family had for him was so beautiful.

This is about my friend Jon's dad, and he wrote that in depth book about his dad's murder!!!! All of your listeners must read the book. It's compelling and brings you through the case in 60's and 70's San Francisco and Palo Alto! Thank you so much for covering Andy, Jon and Lori's story! Geraldine too. ❤

This family deserves compensation for all the heartache the corruption caused. Omg

Wow, this is a bombshell. Corruption is an understatement here. How awful that his family never got answers much less justice.

I still cant figure out how you have less than a million subscribers. You always cover cases in so much detail and focus on many cases other true crime channels don't cover. Absolutely love your channel! Thanks for all your hard work!

Andy is looking down on his children with such pride and love. I hope they are proud of themselves too.

Disgusting that the SFPD treated the victim’s family worse than the criminal. WTF?! No wonder SF has deteriorated so badly.

Corruption at its crappest. SFPD should be ashamed. They should publicly apologize for this debacle and failure of justice.

I have to say that was the most frustrating episode. So much corruption and cover ups. Most people would have given up a long time ago. Yet, John and Lori continue to investigate and bring to light just how corrupt the SFPD was/is. I truly hope that everyone involved in this case is exposed for their involvement. Whether it's the criminal that committed the murder or the mafia that ordered it, and the departments that have covered it up. Everyone should be held accountable for their part in this! Andy ....R.I.P.

If Falzone was on the Zodiac case then its no wonder it remains unsolved. As for the Nightstalker, it was sheer luck he was caught as he was getting a beat down at the time by a bunch of suburbanites who found him running through their backyards and recognized him. Hardly top shelf policing.

idk how many constant examples of pokice corruption needs to come to light before our society finally addresses the fact that most police departments (not just "a few bad apples") are filled with bullies and power-hungry a-holes. In my experience and from everyone I've ever known (with a few exceptions), we don't say "There's some bad apples". Our experience has shown us there's "some good cops".

I knew the SFPD was corrupt when they hired Micheal Hunter as their Medical Examiner. Hunter came from the Florida Keys and I had reviewed hundreds of his autopsy reports. Clear murders were determined to be “accidents” or “suicides.” The guy went on to have his own TV show. I became so disgusted with what this guy has done that I became disillusioned with all law enforcement.

This is an absolute outrage and so frustrating! But sadly, I can't say I'm all that surprised. The fact that the family were constantly getting the door slammed in their faces with either indifferent replies and threats are both frightening and disgusting! Apparently, the corruption went and STILL goes high up the chain of supposed "law enforcement." I applaud both Andy's wife and children for their hard work, devotion and fearless headstrong determination in finding out the truth. I have no doubt their father is beaming with pride! May Andy Rest In Paradise and I hope the family are able to find some level of peace.

Absolutely, utterly sickening and heartbreaking to learn the disregard and malice this family has been treated with for decades because they simply want their father’s murder investigated. The corruption runs so far down that it’s crystal clear that the tree is rotten from root to treetop. Jon and Lori I hope you continue to pursue the truth and I hope you bring it all to light!! This story deserves to be told to the whole country and thank you for bringing lesser known cases like this to the public!!

Gotta hand to the man, he never gave up! A credit to his father’s memory!

Listening to this makes you wonder how many other cases are out there that have been treated the same way.

I had never heard of Andy Kinyon, but after seeing this video I shall never forget him. I will be purchasing that book very soon. It's nice how the family stuck together looking for answers and I'm sure Andy himself would be so proud. Surely the mafia isn't that powerful anymore why don't they just give these people what they want and live and let live for Chrissakes. SFPD too afraid or too proud to admit they were wrong. I loved this story, thank you for enlightening me.

Can't imagine how many other victims there are. Good for John and Lori for seeking justice and truth, I wish they had a different result.

Respect to John and Lori for their courageous tenacity and to Jiles for uploading this episode. The complete opposite of respect to the greedy corruption of the officials who have obstructed the family's search for the truth. That was an excellent account. Well done

What a fantastic episode! So well done. It continues to baffle me how generations of police in a single department like SFPD can be so corrupt. How is this possible. The judicial system must be just as corrupt. John deserved so much more than he got. And countless people in authority should be both ashamed for their actions as well as charged.

Round of applause 🙌 👏🏾👏🏾👏🏾. This is one of the best videos Monsters have done. AWESOME job 💯👏🏾

This is a wild, heartbreaking story. I swear, not even halfway through, I was saying out loud, “Is this even incompetence? Because if feels more like corruption”

This is a very sad case. What's sadder is how many more people were murdered by this guy and covered up. And how heinous is it that decades later the cops still refused to do anything to prove who murdered Andy. Kudos to his children for fighting for justice.

My goodness, the lack of empathy and civility from the police was extremely disturbing. Literal open threats to purposely lose the file and flat out shut downs and that condescending "listen lady" talk.... makes me grind my teeth. Those fucking cops and all the other ones like them are half the reason why crimes go cold and unsolved for decades. As much as I love San Fran, I would be spitting nails at this injustice. I applaud the tenacity of the family to fight for the truth.

That you for this! His murder is a well known and often told story within psychedelic music circles but so many of these details are largely unknown… or untold.

And people wonder why police officers are so widely distrusted and disliked.

Bravo Jon & Lori... the love & getso for ur diligence ❤❤this is absolutely disturbing 😮😳😡🤬

Woke up just in time! Midnight here!

I love your show! You always cover the “lesser known” cases and you cover them well! I always look forward to a new episode! However I do miss all the snarky remarks you used to make about these monsters! The old episodes always make me laugh. You call it how you see it. I always loved that.

It's a pity the cops that did nothing but disrespect Andy's children and ex-wife cannot be made accountable. Was somebody paying them to look the other way. So glad that John and Lori did not give up and got the answers they deserved even though they got no justice. RIP Andrew.

The extent of uniformed corruption is horrifying. NEVER GIVE UP!

I didnt even realize this was just uploaded, perfect timing for not being able to sleep!

This one INFURIATED me!! You are right; there's more than one monster in this story, from his ridiculous rejection by his parents to the murder itself to the horrific treatment of his family by the police. I hope this is made into a blockbuster film one day!

Gosh, this story is the epitome of life dealing taking you in and spitting you out! Andy was a great man that found himself trying to survive all while the demons of his life succeeded in going unscathed RIP Andy

Love all your videos from every channel my man

Great job detailing a case I have never heard of and hats off to his family for the🎉ir dogged investigative approach to solving a case that few wanted an answer to.

Its scary to think that they're might be more cases like this.

Thank you for doing such a wonderful job in telling their story!!

It's obvious that someone is in the mobs pocket!

I’m so impressed with the determination and love they had to continue on this dangerous path!!!

Hold on....falzone was the idiot who ADMITTED to beating up an informant in the night stalker documentary! I couldn't figure out why his name sounded so familiar....i remember watching the documentary and thinking he is NOT a good cop. Guess i wasn't as far off as i wished i was. I want to say unbelievable but....

Your picture of New York City nearly made me cry. Two towers standing tall.

Was Eugene an undercover police officer or was he making a deal to testify against the underworld of organized crime?

This is infuriating

Good morning Monsters !

So, Falzone never caught the Zodiac; he let Ramirez escape to L.A.; he covered up Andy's murder, but, he's braggadocious about his "accomplishments" because he has some "witty"--albeit, stupid--one-liners? What a freakin' narcissist and a complete embarrassment to real detectives. I'm glad to see Andy's son and daughter inherited his hard-charging attitude and found the answers to help him rest in peace. That said, there has to be a special place in Hell for dirty cops.

Good morning Jiles☕, happy Monday monsters ❤

All I did was take a social media break and now Jiles has turned Somewhere Sinister into a 3 part situation. Im here for all of it!!!!

WOW! I became so exasperated and frustrated with each twist and turn that Andy’s family took in trying to find out the truth. It’s so incredible how far back the corruption goes and, how it can still be so blatantly prevalent. I live in Santa Cruz CA ( former murder capital of the world) which is just south Highway 1 from San Francisco. Your research never ceases to both impress and amaze me. I am always Extra interested when your information refers to places that I actually know. (“Grant and Green”) . The (local) historical accounts somehow add even more of an “edge” to my already “morbid curiosity” for which I have no apologies! (Sorry/not sorry, family members) Thanks Jiles!

How dare that detective lie to the wife like that. To mk her think a man was implicating her just because he was sick of her weekly reminder that he hadnt done squat for her husbands case. And the endless other lies that were told also and it mks u wonder how many families they did this to. Well im so sorry that we thought u actually solved crimes for our loved ones.

Wow 😮!!! What a tragic case. You did a fantastic job of telling this story.

Outstanding Programming the best informative

I would have much rather they fessed up to this corruption and that something went on shady than to deny anything and play dumb knowing they are lying. I kept hoping they would grow a heart or a conscious and finally help the son of a murdered father to discover his murderer, but instead they kept doubling down and playing stupid. I can understand hiding it at first. But how can you have the stone cold heart to continue to lie and hide that from him after all these years and his continued requests? I feel you have to be even much more heartless than if you had just fessed up. It's literally the same thing detectives say to suspects all the time. You can either fess up now because everybody knows you're lying and that might go a ways to show some remorse for the situation, OR You can double down and keep lying, everyone will know you're lying, but now it just shows you have no remorse. They have shown us here clearly they have no remorse for what Eugene did to countless families. They really are monsters and do not deserve to be in any position of power.

Wow, what a twisted case! Great video! Thank you for always speaking my mind! Love ya, man!

Thanks Jiles for another fantastic video much love ❤️

Andy looks like such a cool dude in all of those photos. RIP

Wow, this case really made me mad... The obvious corruption in the SFPD absolutely astounds me. The determination of Jon is inspiring. This case gave me emotional whiplash. From pissed at the PD, sad for the family, to pride in the determiniatio of Jon, and his stubbornness to solve his father's murder is aw inspiring. I really hope that no other family has or will ever go through what Adam did, that no one else will have to face the multi layered corruption to try to fi d justice and cloture for a loved one. I also hope this case teaches people to never give up looking for answers!!!

Last time i came this early the police were called!

Love the comment about the original detectives being “mildly incompetent” this case just irks the heck out of me. So sad.

What a story! Corruption to the core. Disgusting

Thank you so much for This coverage of a story I had never heard anything about. Jon and Lori sunk their teeth into the murder of their father and wouldn't let go. Andy RIP.

It’s truly flabbergasting the incompetence of law enforcement here in America. If you want to be lazy and not do the job you are paid to do, then go work somewhere that the task isn’t Literally “serving and protecting your communities” so infuriating 😤

Great episode! The best you done maybe!

So thorough! Thank you so much for this great episode!

Wow. Excellent! One of the best ive heard. Love your coverage! Thank you!

I bet if we knew the percentage of corrupt Police Departments we would be disgusted.

everyone here should see the film "The 75" about NYC cops selling crack in the 80s. It's the cops themselves telling their story..

This murder was so brutal, I cannot believe it wasn't in the papers at that time. The Lonza mob was very likely paying off the editors at the papers too. This is shameful and to think the SFPD is still trying to cover it up in this day and age! Sure makes you wonder who all is on the take in the department now? The fact that they still won't come clean demands action! Who investigates the investigators? Will nothing be done to hold this department accountable?? Not only the SFPD but also the authorities in NY? I find this shocking and appalling. To have to investigate your own fathers murder is horrible, no family should ever have to deal, with the heinous things done to him. But the cops cover up is a much worse crime in my opinion, and its terrifying that these people are still on the take. We all expect criminals to be criminals, but we don't expect the Police to be even bigger criminals. The men who parade themselves as" the guys in the white hats" are now wearing bloody crimson hats. Shame on you all!

I was about to comment that the cops are monsters too, but you covered it right at the end!

1 of your best so far!!!! Thanks

We were breaking ice at my preschool parent meeting and I actually said this is my favorite show. 😅 so many side eyes when I had to explain that I like to hear stories about heinous criminals

Thank you so much for your content. Always quality

Let's go fellow Monsters 💃🏿

Considering NASA lost 700+ boxes of info and data related to the Apollo missions, I’m not at all surprised that the FBI came back with “sorry, it could’ve been lost”.

That was OUTRAGEOUS!!! Good for John!! Must buy that book now.

Been a fan, 'thanks for the tiered content❤

I called it right away. Eugene was a mob son. Not just a member. Thank u thank u everyone id like to thank my mom and god......

I would have so much rage and anger in this situation.

Definitely the best murder documentaries out there 👍

I’m glad he had a family who fought to find out the truth

Thanks muchly for your always awesome content

Wow super interesting 👏 very detailed nice work 😊

This season has been mad interesting... Thank you Giles. You da man.

this murder was super devastating. from how he was murdered, to the corruption of the pitiful sfpd, & how his own children had to do everything on their own to solve their fathers murder is just unbelievable. i’m glad they were finally able to get justice in the end ❤ my condolences to the family

What Monster are you exposing today.... let's see 👀

He had great taste in cars. That gold car was so sharp

Off the subject, but I travelled through San Francisco with a friend when we were both 18 in 1990, we reached San Francisco at night and we got lost and couldn't find our accomodation - we were two young foreigners lost in San Francisco, we saw two police vehicles parked with no one around but them, so we stopped to ask for help. The policemen started to harass us, asking us if we wanted to go with them, or if we were looking for drugs, when we repeatedly stated we just needed directions to a Bed and Breakfast they took our driver licences and threatened us.

Yet another EXCEPTIONALLY good video, hats off to you Jiles, amazing work.

Hey Monsters 👋

Fantastic episode, Jiles!