The Crusader States After the Third Crusade

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Real Crusades History

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J Stephen Roberts interviews eminent Crusades historian Dr. Stephen Donnachie about the history of the Crusader States following the Battle of Hattin and the Third Crusade. Did Outremer recover? Did it again become a serious player in the Syria-Palestine region? Or was it a perpetually imperiled tiny statelet barely hanging on to life?

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@JerryJr65
@JerryJr65 8 жыл бұрын
Egypt was, and continues to be the largest Muslim nation. I can not help but wonder how much Crusader history would have been different if it focused on Egypt first, and then, reclaiming the Holy Land. This was the strategy during the late Crusades. What if it had been implemented sooner?
@Theseus9-cl7ol
@Theseus9-cl7ol 6 жыл бұрын
Good point, the Romans saw this, Egypt being a food factory of wheat pretty much. Perhaps in the Crusades it was more about religion, and re-taking Jerusalem. If it was only about strategic importance, yes, Egypt would have been the place to take.....as the Romans did.
@vroomkaboom108
@vroomkaboom108 5 жыл бұрын
Goblintrain what do you mean? From the fourth crusade onwards most of them targeted egypt, and it hardly worked
@adamaston8505
@adamaston8505 8 жыл бұрын
Hello RCH, I have been watching/listening for the last couple of months since my dad revealed some of our ancestors surname was Templar. I found your channel from there & have really enjoyed learning so much about this exciting, fascinates period of history. I took my wife & 3yr old daughter out to visit a local church the other day, (I live in Northampton, England) it is one of I think only 4 round churches in the UK. The Church of The Holy Sepulchre. It was built around 1100 by Simon de Senlis, I think the (1st?) Earl of Northampton ( I used to be a footman for the current Earl, oddly enough). He had it built after safely returning from the first Crusade. He was also involved in another local building from the same time- Delapre Abbey (I believe St Mary De La Pré- or "in the meadow" ). I never knew any of this & probably would not have had it not been inspired to open my eyes and investigate the history around me by listening to your show & podcasts. By a great coincidence after I returned home from visiting the church i had a look online to learn more (where I read most of what I've written here!) & I stumbled upon a blog on Simon De Senlis & St. Seps round church. It was a really good blog with a ton of info. I went to leave a comment to say as much when I noticed a comment left by someone previously......none other than Dr.Helena.P.Scrader!! I couldn't believe the coincidence but it made my day to see the R.C.H. connection come full circle like that- all in one day! Just wanted to share that. Keep up the great work, I truly love this channel I don't have a great deal of expendable income, however I have been promised a raise! I will push for that & when I get it i will gladly contribute (you may hold me to this!) as it feels criminal to learn so much & get so much enjoyment for free! Every member of the team & every guest are fascinating to listen to. I'm so glad I found RCH. 😊👍
@JerryJr65
@JerryJr65 8 жыл бұрын
Adam, i think that one of the most important points you can teach your children, -God bless them, is that the Crusades made a generational pause of Muslim advancement. But i can easily see a future where it to be the duty of your children to take up the sword, in defense of our civilization against the Muslims. We are in the 21st century but Islam is still on the verge of taking over the West. The Muslim threat did not end with the Siege of Vienna. They are now winning with the womb what they couldn't win with the sword.
@adamaston8505
@adamaston8505 8 жыл бұрын
+Goblintrain Hi, I absolutely agree with you. I won't type you to death so will try keep this short as poss! I have always lived alongside the Muslim community (I say alongside because the self segregation from this community is like no other) growing up as a kid in working class England I had mates from all cultures & colours. We would all play etc yet the only homes we were not welcome in were the Muslim ones. I still am friends with most of these "kids" now I'm 38- it hasn't worked out that way with the Muslim lads however! I went totally off the rails in my youth-& subsequently ended up in prison. I was in prison (with Muslims lads I'd grown up with my entire life) on 9/11. These Muslim lads were mostly in jail for dealing heroin- so good Muslims! I never knew them to go to mosque- ever. But on that day I saw the true colours come through. They celebrated like Eid ×100, even made posters of planes hitting towers for thier cell walls. Prison officers despite being equally disgusted where paralysed by PC culture and fear of being called Islamaphobic- they did nothing. I was er, a bit wild back then (I was almost always in prison for violence) . so I (with others) responded the only way I knew back then. I would have served around 8 yrs in total I believe but it ended up at 11 through lost parole etc for constantly fighting back. It steadily got worse in the coming years with full blown islamists/convicted terrorists being placed on the wings more & more. Everytime all the Muslim lads who upto this point had gone about thier time quietly (although again, on self segregation) suddenly became highly pious and they'd form a gang with the Islamist at the head. They'd prey on the loners, weak, vulnerable (of which there's many in prison)& push "prislam". We made it our Job to stop them. I later learned to read and write (at 28) in prison and decided to read Quran and Hadith for myself (to see for myself & to better understand my enemy). I found it even more appalling & abhorrent than I'd heard/imagined. it is an intolerant, militant, supremacist, death cult imo. Full of hate for the kuffar & no love at all not for non believers but not a mention even for Muslims. It's all about being a slave. I do not get into trouble at all now , been out of prison 7yrs settled down, married with a 3yr old daughter who I adore. I don't advocate violence though I'm not ashamed nor regret what I did in this respect nor do I regret a single extra day spent in prison. I volunteer with youths starting to get into trouble etc & I'm told the situation in prisons now (from youths & old friends who are still inside serving long sentences) that the "prislam" situation is completely out if hand now. Sadly it sounds like no one is fighting back either. I can only guess this is because the fear of being labelled with the word invented by the Muslim Brotherhood "Islamaphobia" has infected even inmates- that & maybe the Muslim gangs just simply far outnumber anyone else. They were always massively over represented- go figure! I am still very vocal as an anti Islam activist (self styled mostly). I didn't have a choice, one out of conscience- it's a lifetime fight but two, when I got out of prison I moved town for a fresh start. However probation & Police decided due to my fight against islam/ islamism/ islamisation that I must surely be a bigot & so held a meeting with the local Muslim community & (although they didn't give my full address it wasn't hard to figure out- because they knew the building I'd be living in & day I was moving in!( anyway yep they informed local Muslim "Community leaders" of my arrival. I haven't had any physical trouble at my door but I have had/ do get endless death threats by phone. it seems they're still cowardly. I don't allow it to intimidate however & I believe the police now regret thier decision as of course all I do is debate. Anyway, I hear you but you can see you do not need to convince me on this lol! I would just further add- I am not a Christian. I am a lifelong athiest HOWEVER I have no issue with Christians- the most extreme Christians I've ever met politely agreed to disagree on our worldviews, & likely offered me some Victoria sponge! In seriousness, the fact I can be openly athiest & suffer no problem (tbh I've only ever met 3 Christians-most Brits are Atheist) is because I live in a country steeped in the history of & based on Christian traditions of tolerance. You only need look at the stats and you'll quickly see only one "religion" (I hesitate to call it such) is consistently & persistently having acts of terrorism committed in its name. I think as we've become ever more civilised & tolerant & PC etc we've made two mistakes. We assume all other cultures/ religions/ peoples wish/ will offer the same & we've forgotten our history. My late gran born 1912 (also an Atheist btw- though rare in her time!) told me all about the "saracens" & the "Moors". No doubt she'd have been called a bigot & islamaphobe today, she was infact a lovely, kind lady who just knew her history and the centuries old enemy of Islam. PS- I realise there are many militant atheists & anti theists out there (though this is something I only encountered on the Internet) atheists (ie most people I know) in life don't feel this way. There's an odd tendency to treat all Religions equally responsible for bloodshed. Regressive leftists/ SJW types readily wish to say Christianity (I've even seen claims here for Buddhism!!) is just as violent as Islam! I call bullshit- as does anyone sane or aware of history, stats, reality. I have seen these ppl seriously attempt to compare is it 9? abortion clinic bombings to 1400 yrs of jihad! Also, some of the most staunch lads that stood up against (& alongside us) in the fight against islamists in prison were Eastern European lads. I never asked but I assume most were Catholic? I think the entire non muslim world should ally against Islam & it's spread since it pitted itself against us all and made us natural allies anyway. Sorry, I knew it'd be impossible to keep short- atheist or not, I thank you for your kind words towards my daughter "God bless her" I gladly return the gesture to you and yours by saying " I genuinely wish you all health, happiness and prosperity, & I hope you have a great day" oh one last thing-if anyone is ever in any doubt still as to whether the crusades were a "Christian jihad" or infact defensive- point them in the direction of Dr Bill Warner he has a great visual YT video showing how ridiculous the claim that they were anything but comparable!
@JerryJr65
@JerryJr65 8 жыл бұрын
Adam, believe it or not, i actually read your entire post. Thank you for offering me, a perfect stranger, such an intimate window into your life. Personally i have never been in prison -not yet anyway, but here in the States prison is an industry, and chances are you are not very far from finding yourself there for one reason or another. It is kind of funny, when i was a child, i attended a primarily black school. It was weird being that white kid, but it was mitigated by the fact that in a very real way, once we got over that initial shock of different skin pigment, we were color blind to each other. But then the adults, and older children would step in and separate us out by color, and tell us to be prejudiced based on color. And then, that movie "Roots" came out, and all of a sudden i as a Caucasian child was responsible for the crime of slavery, even though neither any one in living generational memory had either owned a slave or been owned as a slave. Not to mention, Muslims had a good head start in the slave trade, and still practice it. But those events as a child, i would have to say that was my introduction to the concept of White Guilt. Being automatically bad simply because of the paleness of my skin. I guess what i am trying to say is that both as a Christian, and a Westerner i place a premium on having some capacity for introspection and self criticism. But i don't see that same capacity within Islam. As much as race issues here in the States may get inflated by the media, they are nothing compared to the real hostility that Muslims feel towards Americans on a visceral level. Islam hates America. I do not see a black man walking by me and think to myself, that individual hates America. I am not afraid to strike up a conversation with a black person at the grocery store. And, just on the side, unrelated to my point here -damn, but black men look so great in a suit! They just wear it better than the average white guy! But when i see people that openly dress as Muslim, i am afraid of these people. I see them as people that actually hate everything that i represent. I see the term "Islamophopbia" thrown out and i am left scratching my head, wondering what is "phobic" about being opposed to an ideology that is Hellbent on your destruction? And in a completely sick, dysfunctional way, if some one asked me who has suffered the most under Islamic aggression. The surface view might say Hindu India. And i certainly don't want to minimize or diminish their suffering. But the people who may have suffered on a comparable level, i don't want to have to quantify and measure, but it is actually the people who have endured 14 centuries of Muslim rule. That is the only likeness i might be able to possibly make to the suffering of Hindu India.
@JerryJr65
@JerryJr65 8 жыл бұрын
Adam Aston The whole problem of Nazi guilt is every much as dangerous as Nazi denial. The outlawing of Nazi language, basically blocks a conversation between you and me for example -and no i am not placing you in any sort of Nazi spectrum. You are one of the most open minded people i have had conversation with in the last twenty years. But when the whole Western becomes a white, becomes a Nazi population, you understand how that is a completely unfair label to be placed under simply because you have a different point of view it will be put in one guise or the next, but if it is allowed to continue and it ensures we do not talk about Nazis and Genocide, or the flip side of that coin, Islam and genocide, then what we actually do is ensure 100% that it will just happen again. I am completely against, as a Christian and as a human being a ban against the same language that i don't use in my own home. Sometimes it is necessary. Just because i don't like it doesn't mean that it doesn't also have a purpose! But that is perhaps what the Muslims enjoy so much using against us. We see having the ability of having a different point of view, and still being one civilization as a point of strength. They see that as a point of our weakness. I am both proud of what i see as the achievements of Christianity, but also the fact that i do not live in a Theocracy! But you as an Atheist, and me as a Christian, to Hell with them. Lets prove them wrong my friend! :)
@ian_b
@ian_b 8 жыл бұрын
I live in Northampton too, and I love the Church of the Holy Sepulchre. I liked to sit in the churchyard for peaceful contemplation. Most people walk past it without any knowledge of its history, and history in general; the evocative names of the streets of our town (Scarletwell, Greyfriars, Sheep Street and so on) that echo the past. History is lost if we do not bother to remember it.
@josephgonzalez3545
@josephgonzalez3545 8 жыл бұрын
can you do a video on the mongol presence during that time and how it possibly had diplomatic relations with the crusader states
@kylemercutio8408
@kylemercutio8408 8 жыл бұрын
love these videos would break my heart if they stopped coming
@ww12tt
@ww12tt 8 жыл бұрын
Great video as always. I would like to ask whether there might come a video about Otto the great? I know he is not directly tied to the crusades, but he was (if one doesn't count the Carolingian empire) the first Holy roman emperor
@bogthing1
@bogthing1 8 жыл бұрын
Thank you!
@michaelanstis5668
@michaelanstis5668 8 жыл бұрын
thanks am going there.All the history adds to it
@Plinko99
@Plinko99 8 жыл бұрын
Hello Real Crusades History, I really love what you do and I have a big question about an older video you posted about Columbus. I would love it if you could comment on my comment if there is anything you've come across to back this theory up. Thank you very much for your time. I had heard that Columbus sailed west b/c Spain and Portugal were fighting over the Indian trade routes, and pirating each others loaded merchant vessels on return voyages, and after consulting the current Pope on the issue he ruled in favor of Portugal having rites to the routes b/c Portugal discovered the routes first. Spain having to now sail around Africa instead of the Suez Canal quickly discovered that they were struggling with revenue owing to the now much longer voyage. About that time Columbus decided to speak with the Spanish Royal Court and ask permission to "sail west to the east Indies". He sent word to the Royal couple but it never reached them and when he petitioned them he was laughed out of the room. He tried again, the message failed to get through again, and when he did this a second time he was likewise laughed out of the room. He then went to Queen Isabella's confessor and told him directly the message that his messanger had failed to deliver to the Royal couple which was that "sailing west to the East Indies was code to dissuade anyone in the court from discovering that he actually intended to sail to the "new world" which was being rumored among the explorers and merchants of Europe owing to the (presently capable) and ever increasingly competent sailing innovations of European fleets and merchant ships. He never underestimated the circumference of the Earth and was eager, in the wake of losing the Indian trade routes to go exploring for this new land and lay claim to as much of it as possible for Spain, before the rest of Europe sent ships to establish trade, relations, and colonies. He did this not necessarily b/c of Patriotism for any particular country but instead at least in part for all the personal benefits that might be gained by any explorer who discovers untapped resources. The Royals being in need of a new source of revenue b/c of the loss of their most precious trade routes and being publicly criticized by the Pope for any future pirating of Portuguese vessels decided to finance this expedition and upon his third petition before the royal court he was likewise laughed out, but this time Queen Isabella financed his efforts (prompting the titles of the two organizations that exist in the Americas to this day namely the "Knights of Columbus" which was almost called the "Sons of Columbus" and the "Catholic Daughters" which were formerly called the "Daughters of Isabella". The whole expedition was a ploy to gain wealth not from trading with the "Indies" but by trading (among other things) with the "new world". a ploy so secret that upon the return and presentation of captured "Native Caribbean Islanders" Columbus referred to them as "Indians" so as to not allow any European seafaring powers to suspect the discovery of such a promising venture and source of wealth. Disregarding all of the less than honorable things I have heard Columbus was involved with, my question is have you come across anything to substantiate any of these claims? I have never met anyone who has heard / read this and I would very much like your opinion. I'm afraid I have no resources, for as I said this is something I heard more than a decade ago. Thank you for your time and please continue putting out great vids. We love them. - Pax
@10thStormClad
@10thStormClad 8 жыл бұрын
Hello, I'm an aspiring author with an interest in this particular section of history. I was hoping that y'all (Real Crusades History) would be willing to answer some questions- thank you😃! Shalom
@gilgalbiblewheel6313
@gilgalbiblewheel6313 6 жыл бұрын
Why is it that the Crusaders, the country of Georgia and the Templars have the Red Cross as logo? And eventually England got it as well?
@00HoODBoy
@00HoODBoy 4 жыл бұрын
Donnachie is great
@Templarswordxx7
@Templarswordxx7 4 жыл бұрын
It would be good to have some visuals to the dialogue, like maps, images of knights and armor from the period, swords used, something relevent to not just the time and place but also somehow incorporating the state of the common mind during this period, religious or whathaveyou. Thanks+
@enochfuryan9094
@enochfuryan9094 8 жыл бұрын
Wish you put some maps, and data in the video vs just one picture in an hourlong presentation.
@RealCrusadesHistory
@RealCrusadesHistory 8 жыл бұрын
This is a podcast. We release videos and podcasts. This particular upload, as we mentioned in the audio, is a podcast. Like most youtubers, we upload a single image to accompany a podcast.
@HelenaPSchrader
@HelenaPSchrader 8 жыл бұрын
J. I love the image you use here. What's the source?
@RealCrusadesHistory
@RealCrusadesHistory 8 жыл бұрын
It is nice, isn't it? It's Reconquest of Beirut, Alexandre Hesse, 1842. www.medievalists.net/2015/03/19/the-german-crusade-of-1197-1198/the-taking-of-beirut/
@HelenaPSchrader
@HelenaPSchrader 8 жыл бұрын
Thanks! I'll definitely use this one in future posts. Need to find out more about the recapture of Beirut as well. Do you suggest a source? And wasn't John d'Ibelin involved? He was later named Lord of Beirut.
@odd6554
@odd6554 8 жыл бұрын
Need to know what the Mongols influenced on the crusades. Also what about the Teutonic Order?
@kingslegion1
@kingslegion1 8 жыл бұрын
lord,,, hearing this lets you know just how important Cyprus truly was... I have a very sneaky suspicion that Richard I probably planned it from the very beginning.
@1davidleos
@1davidleos 6 жыл бұрын
Anyone know which battle that is on the screen?🗡🛡🏹
@RealCrusadesHistory
@RealCrusadesHistory 6 жыл бұрын
Crusader recapture of Beirut in 1197.
@tommyodonovan3883
@tommyodonovan3883 8 жыл бұрын
The best Crusade was the *6th.* Frederick ll of Hohenstaufen HRE, King of Sicily & Jerusalem. He took control of the holy land (Jerusalem 10 yr treaty) without a drop of blood being spilt.
@RealCrusadesHistory
@RealCrusadesHistory 8 жыл бұрын
Frederick's achievements during the Sixth Crusade are impressive, but the idea that they surpass the triumphs of the First Crusade and the Third Crusade, well, that's quite a stretch.
@bleekskaduwee6762
@bleekskaduwee6762 5 жыл бұрын
@@RealCrusadesHistory quite a stretch indeed
@HelenaPSchrader
@HelenaPSchrader 8 жыл бұрын
Wouldn't some of Guy's supporters have come from Antioch and Tripoli? Also sorry you made no mention of the attempt to retake Sidon in May 1189. Otherwise great podcast.
@RealCrusadesHistory
@RealCrusadesHistory 8 жыл бұрын
Seems logical, maybe we can ask Dr. Donnachie the next time he's on. Glad you enjoyed it!
@mohrDK
@mohrDK 8 жыл бұрын
Danmark/island flag .. :) all time
@Bbbbbbbbbv
@Bbbbbbbbbv 8 жыл бұрын
FIRST WOO
@Didacmmv
@Didacmmv 8 жыл бұрын
SECOND !!! :D:D
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