Jamie would seem to favor this. The chorus with Billy and Ian's interplay in the chorus he lamented in recent years that he wished this version saw the light of day at the time.

Thank you, Sir!

Hi ! these titles come from cd 3 of the rare cult box? that's it ? thank you

@@bidouillette29 Initially Beggars released them individually in the early 90s. Wanna say 91? After they toured for Sonic Temple for sure. I understand they wanted more of their "LIVE" feel (Live at the Ritz is the best version of most Love songs you will here). Steve Brown kinda overdubbed the sound at Manor and it really was overdone, but then you had Rubin overdo it in the exact opposite direction. Too bad Brown and Rubin didn't work in the studio together and get a medium between the two. Ian and Billy blew it ditching him completely. I like Electric, but their peak was Resurrection Joe to late Love / tour era.

If they would have released this in 86 you would have never heard of The Cult. They did the right thing to dump everyone one involved in recording this and re-recording it with Rubin. Thank God!

@@kmortensen Complete conjecture that MANY including Steve Brown (RIP) disagree with. The reality, Electric f*cked them in terms of classifying as a 2nd class American rock band for jocks and AC/DC fans, rather than the true depth and talent they were about. They became less about being iconic and being a flavor of the moment, that's why they bombed out in the early 90s, when butt-rock died because of grunge the true damage of failed Rubin experiment became apparent. They were tossed aside in '91 rather than being able to transition into the 90s with the alternative acts of the era. That's the reality, Peace would've kept their alternative pedigree instead of catering to the US rock market. Chase trends, you become the trend, too. Total f*ckup by Ian and Billy. I'll go one step further, they'd be far more recognized if they'd not hooked up with Rubin and gone with Peace. Peace would be considered iconic along with Love. Electric is not iconic. It's unnecessary trend chasing for trend chasing that had the effect of screwing up how you are perceived as an artist. Butt-rock, gothic rock, post-punk or poseurs? That's what Electric did. They smartly walked it back a little bit with Sonic Temple.

​@@zoso1980 The album was hot trash before they re-recored it. Nearly every band fell trap to the trend of the 90s. Having a hit record made them known world wide, presumably their desire. So stick to your art principles and keep working at the coffee shop and living in your mom's basement ya troll.

It was also a pile of shite

The manor sessions is the most electrifying thing they’ve ever recorded

Should of known RICK THE MAN RUBIN HAD SOMETHING TO DO WITH THIS HIGHLY EFFECTIVE SPIRITUAL ROCKING CREATORS

Actually, the Manor Sessions were recorded first. The band didn't like them and went to Rubin for some inspiration.

No, they really wanted to change their sound, that's why they recorded Electric with Rick Rubin

Well said and I agree completely, except with their recent albums I think they are as good or better than anyone, including the legends you mention. I can't listen to them anymore, they sound dated to me. The Cult does not at all.

I think Steve Brown (RIP) alluded to it in an interview how they aren't mentioned along with the greats. It's their tendency to "hop" genres. Alternative and goth, corporate cock rock, mainstream rock, then a weird stripped down thing that's still oddly perplexing (1994 LP). As where many of 70's greats evolved down a cohesive line, The Cult radically re-imaged themselves as they went shedding the previous audience they appealed to. From something iconic like Resurrection Joe to cheesy and corporate with a terrible cover of Born To Be Wild. Many of their fans fall into 'eras.' I've said before that had they evolved along the lines with Peace, they'd been much more cohesive. Perhaps not as big, but they'd have sustained their creativity and audience. They'd evolved more along the lines of the 70s bands before them. As When they "came" to the USA, they were a corporate cock-rock band. That's NOT who they were in England. Who The Cult are depends on what album and era you listen to them. That tendency to 'be all over the place' and especially that raw pixie dust magic that existed from Dreamtime through Peace, if they'd sustained that, I'm confident they'd be right up with The Cure in the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame. As it stands, and their genre and audience hopping the magical core Stewart, Duffy, Astbury tended to get buried in corporate imagery and flights of rebranding tactics. I wish they'd evolved rather than chased dollars and trends. That magic and pixie dust could've stayed a lot longer and given us some amazing albums. Instead, the odd "left turns" such as gave us the corporate Electric or the odd 1994 LP are your answer. For everything great about them, occasionally going off the rails in another direction and almost turning into a totally different band isn't the best way to build an audience that follows you across the decades.

Still waiting for the day I'll see Billy Duffy on the cover of Guitar World Magazine. I'll actually buy that issue.

Defo😘😘😘😘😘😘

Too bad the misstep with Rubin and Electric cost them dearly. They got labeled as an AC/DC knock off. Never recovered from it. If only they'd gone with these mixes and the Peace album. I think they'd be in the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame, and recognized. Steve Brown (RIP) said it too, and I agree with him. He said Astbury and Duffy would be up with Page and Plant and Jagger and Richards. I don't think he's wrong. Rubin's 'mulletization' of them stripped them of everything they are and made them something they weren't. Long-term disaster. With the Manor sessions, they could've evolved into Sonic Temple's sound and been cohesive. Pandering to the mullet and the bar scene, was not them and screwed up how they were perceived forevermore.

While my bandmate was producing the demo for Atlantic prior to BGAE, I started hanging out w/Billy a bit. I told him that the 1st real concert I went to see was The Cult in Birmingham, Alabama. He remembered the night. He recalled meeting a hot black girl w/the "tightest lil' booty". Ian is a ball of joy to be around as well!

@@zoso1980 Rubin is so over rated it's ridiculous. These songs were much better before he got involved and basically ruined them.

you right about preston

Yes. Warner was a dreadful drummer, so damned stiff and dull. The songs just don't take off thanks to him.

No, I would choose Qureshi from the SDC period, nothing compares to his drumming.

Totally agree brother. Have to believe recordings like this were influential on STP and AIC. They had some great change ups on the 80's hair metal that had a lot of substance. A lot of people didn't give us/that genre much credit, but any band that places its priority on outstanding guitar work, driving bass, pounding drums, and just great vocals has to give a little bit of credit to our scene. Even the bands that went with stripped down sounds and changed up the presentation still made us proud and we were enthusiastic feeling some ownership in their start. Not like in the form of debt, just genuine appreciation. Music frequently is a reflection of the times. The 80's were a party scene, coming out of the same conditions in the 70s we have right now. In the 90s everyone got serious, many got morose, but a lot of the same elements were there for many of the bands that changed things up. Almost as proof, just recently discovered Sisters of Mercy. No idea how we missed SOM first time around. Huge Type O, Love and Rockets, etc. fans. But, now the SOM cds get stuck in our car disc player for weeks, if not months at a time. lol ;) Come to think of it, Lucretia My Reflection extended, This Corrosion, More extended, Jeep extended, Vision Thing extended aren't bad sister tracks to this presentation of the Cult at the time. Very similar live presentation and power. Very cool.

Agree with both of you.

By chance, did you ever come across the live version of "Spiritwalker" that was issued on the double album Vertigo sampler here in Canada? I had at least 4 copies - don't ask me why I had to give them up. I have yet to find that specific version of "Spiritwalker" online as of this date.

@@mabuti66 Which double album sampler are you referring to? What's it called? Are you referring to the radio session?

@@U-rok this one as shown in the discogs website link: www.discogs.com/Various-Vertigo-Sampler/release/1369738

@@mabuti66 This is not a live version. This is the regular album version (the timing is the same as on the album, also the producer,engineer is the same as on the Dreamtime album).

@@U-rok it may be so..it's been years since I have had my copies and the inserts shown online are impossible to magnify and be sure.

Dude, Rubin fixed the ELECTRIC album, this was before rubin

After you listen The Mannor Sessions you realize Rick Rubin destroyed their sound. Love and Peace are their best era along with Sonic Temple. My opinion.

@@MarianMuruzabal Electric is what really broke them out and logically lead to Sonic Temple and the later records. The band didn't like how these songs turned out and wanted something harder.

@@birdonawi think he was referring to that. Rubens work was crap compared to Manor House recordings. Even the cult got it wrong and lost a lot of early fan base. Just saying...

@@JohnQuincy1776 I have to disagree. This representation you hear on the Manor Session is closer to the logical progression towards Sonic Temple. Don't get me wrong, I still love Electric, but I do personally prefer the raw sound and connection sound wise to Love on the Peace version of the Electric album. For me this sounds flows far more suitably into the likes of Sun King, American Horse, Fire Woman, New York City, Automatic Blues and Edie (Ciao Baby) from Sonic Temple. Yes, Electric still led to Sonic Temple anyway, thankfully , but sound and style wise, I think the Peace stuff was better suited in that step.

It would've been massive on the radio in '86. 250%. Peace would've been massive, and be considered iconic next to Love had they done this.

yup, I bought this about 30 years ago !

Too good a riff not to see the light of day on a "proper" release.

@@neilswan8015 so did I

For this album… they opened for Billy Idol a few times- I followed them around like the groupie I was 😜😂 for their next album, Sonic Temple, which really made it big in the states, they headlined and Lenny Kravitz opened for them. Good Times! 😄

Not just remixed, rerecorded entirely from scratch.

These are the original.

Links my dear fellow! Links please!

Well, AC/DC had the Electric sound at this time.

It's got soul. It's the magic, mystique and depth that exists between the notes. That was The Cult until Billy and Ian decided to become US corporate rock. Since then, those touches of greatness only flash here and there.

@@zoso1980 nothing wrong with billy. his playing evolves along with his rig. his pickups are not stock, in that white falcon.

absolutly love these versions, still got the cd XD but never listen to it, just listen on here, i can play nearly every Cult song ever writen on guitar :)

Rubin got rid of Billy's Gretsch and all the guitar effects he was too reliant on. *'Here's a Les Paul and there's a Marshall.'* Big fat direct guitar sound to analog tape, loud rhythm section and dry vocals, a throwback '70s sound that predates GNR. They were still young kids at the time so it's interesting they were captured in such a raw form.

More like no effects at all, just plug in n play....also the drum sound on Electric is pretty primal

I never take the opinion of someone with a mullet, seriously.

The Peace album is widely available on the Electric Peace issue. A 2cd edition. With the Manor recordings and the Electric album 👍

I have always thought that if you listen to Dreamtime, Love, Peace, then Sonic Temple in order, there is a real logical progression there; Sonic Temple has less of the psych/goth sheen, but it's still there under the surface. Electric, a great album in of itself, feels like the biggest white elephant in their entire catalogue. If I had one complaint about Peace, it is that there is more 'stuff' on the songs than on Love; they could have done with some trimming, but without changing the style. If you hear the demos on the Rare Cult box-set, the songs are really powerful.

Most indeedy, but they have sold gazillions albums ?

I am so with you brother

I’ve never liked electric. Ghastly album. Yes I agree. Sonic temple is good old cult like love or whatever. Electric is an anomaly. I understand why they did it i just wish they hadn’t because if they’d stick to their guns they may have been a far more influential band now. Past ceremony it’s awful and that’s too much bombast anyway. Great songs when you bother to listen but also over produced nonsense. Sonic temple was the beginning of the end. Ironically their best track for me is American horse. A lot is just formulaic numbers. I still love them though. First gig I ever saw - sonic temple tour. My partner - her first ever gig was seeing their love tour. All Criticism comes from a good place

Agreed. The songwriting and talent was still there, but not the sound. They WERE one of the most unique sounding bands of all time.

I agree.

I don't recall Mute releasing any Cult material.

I had this on CD and I believe that’s the quality of the entire EP…. The whole thing just sounds ghostly. I don’t think it’s the upload quality, IMHO.

Can;t deny the vibe, tho.

" but the original versions of the songs sounds like they are ripping themselves off" I find this with the Cult anyway (to an acceptable degree), but I agree, its too much here.

Bands evolve. They hated this mix. And they were right. The edge in the Rick Ruben mix is far, far, far superior to this mix. Not even close.

Absolutely- 100%! I wish they never changed their sound, but oh well- they've really evolved to a a legendary band.

Dude, Electric was a success. That says enough about rubin, and where he put them, Of course personal taste is just that. But Rubin did a really good job

right on

No, that obscurity, that happened in the 90s after Sonic Temple, when the legacy of the Electric misstep was fully apparent and got them classified as 80s butt rock, and even worse for Billy and Ian, the Electric misstep removed them from recognition in the 90s alternative rock genre which would've allowed them to slide into the 90s alternative scene with ease. Instead, the bottom fell out. Electric was a short term cash out for American audiences who flocked to AC/DC and proved a long term developmental disaster as it confused people as to who they were. Butt rock or alternative? I think their career path with Sonic Temple was secure if the Electric butt-rock experiment never happened. Steve Brown thought it, too. Brown thought it cost them more long-term, and I think he's right. Obscurity is a weighty assumption that is a wild guess at best. After Ceremony, the band has relied on their material to sell, radio airplay has been minimal proving the butt-rock stripped down AC/DC approach wasn't right the move. Rubin's remixing while successful at the time, didn't capture the band, or who they really were. It was repackaging that stripped them of their strengths. Rubin's mix is a colossal failure in capturing the artist's core, instead he made them AC/DC, in the vision he thought they should be while trashing their post-punk/alternative pedigree.

@@zoso1980 Could not agree more. I think Ceremony is a great album that got overlooked because of the residual Electric effect. Brown was right, I could never understand the hate for Ceremony, myself. Lotta great songs on that album. Would have proffered Rock over Zito, but he did ok with it.

Absolutely

He took their unique sound and made them sound like a mix between AC/DC and Zeppelin. I was disappointed.

Yeah like Bob Rock "helped" Metallica? Lol

@@psychedelicfright85 that was awful

i call bullsh t on that

Are you referring to Steve Brown?

Steve Brown spliced with Bob Rock...even Frankenstein wouldn't have created such an abomination.