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The curse of leaky alkaline batteries

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Having just discovered yet another device with battery damage, I thought I'd raise the subject of switching away from zinc-chloride and alkaline single use cells, to the newer style of low self discharge Nickel Metal Hydride rechargeable cells. They are sometimes called "ready to use" or "pre-charged" cells due to retaining a useful capacity even when stored before retail.
They won't work in all equipment due to their slightly lower cell voltage (1.2V vs 1.5V), but do work in most stuff, and are much less prone to leakage.
The science of alkaline cell leakage may be down to the natural formation of gas bubbles during normal discharge. That results in a gradual increase in internal pressure that may eventually force the corrosive electrolyte out through the seal. That could be during normal use of a new battery, or it could be a long term thing when batteries have been left in a piece of equipment.
Rechargeable cells like NiMh batteries do generate gas internally during charge, but self catalyse it back to liquid electrolyte internally. It usually takes serious overcharging to make them vent.
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@robertrobert5583
@robertrobert5583 2 жыл бұрын
Weirdly I always feel a sense of personal failure when I find leaked batteries in a piece of equipment.
@user-gx6jb6wc5g
@user-gx6jb6wc5g 2 жыл бұрын
Rest assured it's the eco-hippies who forced a change in the chemistry, and the corporate brand owners who put dead-brand labels on the cheapest cells they can get who bear the full blame.
@nouseformyname3788
@nouseformyname3788 2 жыл бұрын
I can relate, definitely.
@Dwedit
@Dwedit 2 жыл бұрын
Not just "cheapest cells", Duracell and Energizer batteries will leak when left neglected in a remote control, just past the date printed on the batteries.
@lentner3
@lentner3 2 жыл бұрын
I’m sure the biggest culprit is leaving devices powered on thus over discharging them causing the leaks. I haven’t ever had a leak in a device with no drain draw the battery at all.
@CoolKoon
@CoolKoon 2 жыл бұрын
@@user-gx6jb6wc5g "it's the eco-hippies who forced a change in the chemistry" - Oh yeah, I totally hope they'll rot in hell (preferably sooner than later) for messing up literally EVERY single thing they laid their dirty hands on.
@R.B.
@R.B. 2 жыл бұрын
What frustrates me are the push button contact switches used in everything. Instead of completely cutting out the power, too many devices have a slow trickle current which mean that for NiMH you can easily drain them beyond what you should. Every battery powered device should have a SPST switch which completely isolates and would prevent a lot of cells leaking.
@davidberriman5903
@davidberriman5903 2 жыл бұрын
Ryan I couldn't agree more. Manufacturers who do that are a real pain. I think that their attitude is their product is so essential you have to use it all the time. I have news for them and it isn't to confirm their ego.
@realityquotient7699
@realityquotient7699 2 жыл бұрын
I'm an old fart, and I miss old-fashioned on/off switches too. These days almost everything is either on or less on, never actually off.
@dlarge6502
@dlarge6502 2 жыл бұрын
OMG I just realised, I got a dremel (well an aldi version) and well, I could just add my own switch!
@alexanderthomas2660
@alexanderthomas2660 2 жыл бұрын
I had that with a digital scale. It powers on by tapping it, which is already a nuisance because it needs to be hit pretty hard for it to wake up. But the worst thing is that this standby mode which obviously needs to keep the load cells active all the time, devours the CR2032 cell in no time. It didn't take long before I added a good old switch, and now a battery lasts years instead of weeks.
@psirvent8
@psirvent8 2 жыл бұрын
@@alexanderthomas2660 Is it a kitchen scale or a bathroom scale ?
@bobwatkins1271
@bobwatkins1271 2 жыл бұрын
I've had many devices (including a Fluke non-contact voltage tester) damaged or ruined by leaking Duracell batteries, and I take advantage of every opportunity to complain about them. Thank you for providing such an opportunity.
@twig3288
@twig3288 2 жыл бұрын
Fluke aren't complaining.
@ebattleon
@ebattleon 2 жыл бұрын
I like to add, they start leaking before the voltage drops below usable point. And they did not use to do that before.
@rayrooney4656
@rayrooney4656 2 жыл бұрын
@@ebattleon Back when I ran a camera store Duracell/Mallory batteries would leak while still in their package. I now fix cameras and electronic audio gear and Duracell remains a cussword. I am also less than fond of Chinese batteries.
@forrestgumpv9049
@forrestgumpv9049 2 жыл бұрын
Same here, and now I don't leave batteries in equipment that get used occasionally. And the copper tops are clearly the ones always leaking, so I stopped buying them.
@spencereagle1118
@spencereagle1118 2 жыл бұрын
Complain to their customer service, they refunded me for a Garmin GPS damaged by their leaking batteries.
@1o1s1s1i1e
@1o1s1s1i1e 2 жыл бұрын
At 68 years old I remember when batteries came with a guarantee that said they would replaced anything damaged by a ruptured cell. Great tips Clive!
@stargazer7644
@stargazer7644 2 жыл бұрын
Duracell at least still has that guarantee. I couldn't find on on the Energizer package.
@atburke6258
@atburke6258 2 жыл бұрын
@@stargazer7644 But here in the USA I find that Duracell brand batteries (mostly AA and AAA size) that I bought about two to three years ago have all leaked in their unopened package. Not so with other brands which have been in their factory packages for 10+ years. Just my experience. A T Burke P.S. They did honor their warrantee and sent replacement batteries. The only question they asked was what country the packaging the bad batteries claimed were made in.
@stargazer7644
@stargazer7644 2 жыл бұрын
@@atburke6258 Oh, I agree, Duracell has been the absolute worst in my experience.
@1o1s1s1i1e
@1o1s1s1i1e 2 жыл бұрын
Thank you for the tip! I think Clive is on to something with phasing out the alkaline batteries. I am careful not to leave batteries in things I am not using too.
@user-gx6jb6wc5g
@user-gx6jb6wc5g 2 жыл бұрын
That was Duracell, but best of luck getting any form of compensation.
@KillerSpud
@KillerSpud 2 жыл бұрын
Probably a good idea. I've lost several maglite flash lights to leaky cells. I put them up for a few years and come back to a solid mass of alkaline residue.
@PhilLesh69
@PhilLesh69 2 жыл бұрын
My grand father put anything electronic that went into storage into its original packaging and if there were batteries he would take them out and toss them into his junk drawer.
@Azlehria
@Azlehria 2 жыл бұрын
I ran across someone years ago who wrapped batteries in waxed (or sometimes greased) paper with a gap around the center of each end before putting them in flashlights. A whole lot of extra work, but when (not if) they leaked, the batteries still came out easily.
@MrDuncl
@MrDuncl 2 жыл бұрын
@@Azlehria Back in the days of PP9 batteries in radios some of the radios came with a thick plastic bag to put the battery in, in case it leaked. As for torches leaking batteries ruined a nice LED aluminium torch I had. The battery juice got in the thread and welded end cap in place. Not even holding the torch in a vice and drilling a hold for a pry bar in the end cap would separate them.
@solarsynapse
@solarsynapse 2 жыл бұрын
Maglite may repair/replace it. Make a claim with the battery company to replace it. Very lightly wipe the cells all over with a "turbine" type oil before installing. I like the Zoom Spout Oiler MARS 93240.
@stevebot
@stevebot 2 жыл бұрын
Costco had a couple of exceptionally bad runs of Kirkland branded AA and AAA batteries that would start leaking in the packaging tray a few months after purchase, years before their "expiration" date. They destroyed Maglites, remotes, smoke alarms and whatnot. That pushed me over the edge on alkalines and now I only use the Energizer Lithiums. A bit expensive but that's offset by longer life, no more destroyed equipment and the peace of mind that when you go to use devices, they'll work. No more white crusties.
@patmx5
@patmx5 2 жыл бұрын
I've had unused Corrodacells (er, I mean _Duracells_ ) leak less than half way to their 'use by' date while still sitting unused in their original packaging. In my experience, they have gotten markedly worse as far as leakage goes over the past 10-15 years or so - I suspect it's a combination of chemistry changes due to environmental regulations and cost optimization by the bean counters. I rarely if ever saw leakage in the 80s-90s, but since 2000 it's been downhill at an alarming rate. I've been switching as much as possible to NiMH since being turned on to Eneloops on a photography forum around 2009-ish, and have yet to see one of them leak.
@wibbley1
@wibbley1 2 жыл бұрын
Duracell used to have a no-leak guarentee. Got a torch once replaced by them, luckily it was a Duracell branded torch. I don't use Duracell at all now. I find them the worst brand for leaking. They almost destroyed two Fluke meters. Luckily, good old Ebay sell replacement battery contacts for Fluke, so was able to repair the meters.
@forrestgumpv9049
@forrestgumpv9049 2 жыл бұрын
Yes !! Eneloops are the best, made in Japan not china, just beware of Chinese copies !! I switched some flashlights to Lithium when physically possible.
@patmx5
@patmx5 2 жыл бұрын
@@forrestgumpv9049 From what I've read and (based on buying some), the Fujitsu AA NiMHs sold on Amazon are made in Japan as well, and equal to the Eneloops. I just wish that Sanyo, Panasonic or Fujitsu would make some Eneloop-type C and D cells, rather than just adapters for the AAs, since the only options in those sizes are more unknown brands. Not saying the unknowns are no good, just that I'd be ten times more comfortable buying them if they were made by one of those three. 9V as well...
@blahmanliutenant
@blahmanliutenant 2 жыл бұрын
We recently switched to eneloops, sooooo good, especially given the kids night lights and my wavebird style switch controller all use AAs, just cycle them out with a float set that sits on charge and man they last
@PyroRob69
@PyroRob69 2 жыл бұрын
They still have their no leak guarantee but they are pretty cranky about doing the refund and replacement thing. Took me a month to get them to refund the price of a $45 light. Had to send extensive pics of the damage and the batteries. And like you, I have had unopened 10 packs of Duracells, 5 years away from their expiration dates leak.
@joeschmo622
@joeschmo622 2 жыл бұрын
Oh, forgot to mention, you can get usb-chargeable Li-ion cells, that put out a flat 1.5V. It's a 14430 cell with charger/converter board that fills it out to a 14500/AA form-factor. As mentioned, a flat 1.5V for things that don't fare too well on 1.2V from NiMH, but the drawback being that they suddenly and unexpectedly drop dead without warning once they're spent. No big deal, just pop it out and recharge, and it's good to go again.
@g7mks383
@g7mks383 2 жыл бұрын
That sounds interesting, I would be interested to know the make and where you can buy them from. Thanks.
@g7mks383
@g7mks383 2 жыл бұрын
@Anglo Saxon Thanks will have a look.
@Lee.Freeman
@Lee.Freeman 2 жыл бұрын
Thanks. I live offgrid and have been using rechargeable lithium batteries for two years. Initially expensive at around $4Au each for a good brand 2,000ma/h AA 🍺🦘
@danielmantione
@danielmantione 2 жыл бұрын
I'm using NiZn AA batteries for these devices. Devices that aren't happy with 1.2V are generally very happy with the 1.6V of NiZn batteries.
@Lee.Freeman
@Lee.Freeman 2 жыл бұрын
@@danielmantione Thank you. I will try those ☕️
@FSHerrante
@FSHerrante 2 жыл бұрын
Duracell cells have the most insane leakage that i ever seen. Literally the circuitry destroyers by excellence.
@AndyLundell
@AndyLundell 2 жыл бұрын
I've found the trick to using rechargeable is getting a nice charger that can keep at least a dozen batteries topped off and ready to go. Get an expensive charger that handles at least double the number of batteries you need charged, and is smart enough that you can leave the batteries in there and not worry about over-charging. The enemy is laziness, so you've got to make grabbing a rechargeable even easier than unwrapping plastic container of fresh alkalines.
@Shaun.Stephens
@Shaun.Stephens 2 жыл бұрын
I use a Maha MH-C9000 Wizard One charger but it seems they're discontinued now. They're great for testing the capacity of cells (so you can match them) or 'breaking in' cells that have been dormant for a while. It also has a 'refresh / analyze' function. You can select charging current from 0.2 to 2.0A or you can just stick anything from 1 to 4 cells in and it'll charge them with no further input.
@MAGGOT_VOMIT
@MAGGOT_VOMIT 2 жыл бұрын
Definitely!! I've been so impressed with the Liitokala 500S charger/test unit (same Liitokala cell factory that makes the high quality Li-Ion cells), I bought 2 more. It instantly recognizes what different chemical type of cell you're charging and with it's Charging/Discharge test feature, I can write the capacity on the cells and match pairs or sets of them.
@Luke-san
@Luke-san 2 жыл бұрын
@@MAGGOT_VOMIT Same here, except I have 2 x LII-500 (not the S). Very cheap and good. Been using them for years now. Really easy to use and you can at least check if the cell is good or not. Highly recommended. Should make a multi charger with like 12 slots just to keep them topped up on a small solar panel or so.
@Shaun.Stephens
@Shaun.Stephens 2 жыл бұрын
@@Luke-san I also have a LiitoKala 'Engineer' Lii-500 that I use for my Li-Ion cells. I know that it can handle Ni-MH cells as well but my Maha does that job so well I've not used the Lii-500 for Ni-MH thus far. Good to know that it's capable if anything should happen to the Maha.
@MAMDAVEM
@MAMDAVEM 2 жыл бұрын
IKEA do a great, low cost wall mounted unit that allow you to keep charged 12 AA or AAA sized batteries and have an indicator to show the charge stateof each battery
@crazycanadian7223
@crazycanadian7223 2 жыл бұрын
Would be very interested in more (rechargeable) battery content, Clive. Especially analysis of different brands. Always wondered how some of the better-reviewed cheap brands compare to the more expensive premium ones. EDIT 12/28/21: While I'm here, you know what I wish? I wish someone would make a cell with a hard plastic casing of some kind. I've had some rechargeable Duracells for a while, and the cheap, thin wrapping on all of them is frayed and coming apart. I question how much longer they'll be safe to use for, even if the cells themselves are technically okay.
@TeriWilde
@TeriWilde 2 жыл бұрын
There a guy on YT called "Project Farm" who does comparison videos and he did one with rechargeable batteries.... the results were surprising. kzfaq.info/get/bejne/Y9CIhLGKm9jalWw.html
@OriginalBadRobotz
@OriginalBadRobotz 2 жыл бұрын
@@TeriWilde project farm is a great channel!
@hamishspencer
@hamishspencer 2 жыл бұрын
Came to say Project Farm but others had beaten me to it
@Mark1024MAK
@Mark1024MAK 2 жыл бұрын
Duracell should be avoided in my humble opinion. They are more likely to leak, and are more expensive compared to other brands/makes without having significantly more capacity. In their adverts, note that they only compare themselves to the older technology cells, not other good capacity alkaline cells. If you are going to use alkaline “non-rechargeable” cells and batteries, buy ‘supermarket’ or shop own brands.
@sonixthatsme
@sonixthatsme 2 жыл бұрын
Get the Ladda ikea white ones, They are basically eneloop's.
@chinsta00
@chinsta00 2 жыл бұрын
I recently rescued a Micronta 22-207 volt-ohm meter (circa 1970s) from the local rubbish tip shop. I was dreading the potential battery leakage all over the internals. Luckily for me, the Radio Shack "steel clad" (gold/red/white branding) carbon zinc batteries that were left inside did not leak! The 9V battery measured 2.58V, and the 1.5V battery measured 1.18V on my digital meter.
@marksuper4920
@marksuper4920 2 жыл бұрын
I bought an Atari SuperPong console from Ebay recently. When I got it I realized that it was heavier than expected. I was ready to find a huge mess inside, but instead found 4 perfect 1980s vintage Rayovac batteries. The only problem is that I didn't get to see if they would still honor their no leak guarantee!
@h8GW
@h8GW Жыл бұрын
I have a pair of Rayovac AAs in the remote to my Panasonic plasma TV from 2008 that I barely use anymore. The battery compartment is pristine, the cells test at 1.45v, and most importantly, the remote works. The cells have an "expiration" date of 2012.
@Ranger_Kevin
@Ranger_Kevin 2 жыл бұрын
For devices that sit around a lot but get used regularly (like Multimeters) I have switched to the Energizer Lithium primary cells. They are more expensive, but for those specific cases they last forever and have not leaked on me so far. For all other devices, the alkaline batteries get taken out and stored in little ziploc-bags next to them. If a device comes from the factory with "heavy duty" zinc-carbon batteries those go into the trash immediately. The lithium batteries alre also great for things like outdoor RF temperature sensors, as they don't crap out in lower temperatures. With the lithium AAAs the thing lasts over 2 years, with alkaline AAAs I loose connection and have to change out the battery after 9 Months.
@agentmango
@agentmango 2 жыл бұрын
What downside do you see with zinc carbon? I've read that they're a non leaky alternative to alkaline, like for example for smoke/CO alarms.
@Bobo-ox7fj
@Bobo-ox7fj 2 жыл бұрын
@@agentmango they're only really useful in ultra-low power applications like IR remotes, otherwise they go far too quickly
@ELECTROHAXZ
@ELECTROHAXZ 2 жыл бұрын
Why do you discard the zinc carbons? They're still good for low current devices like remotes and I've never seen one leak. Seems like kind of a waste to throw them away since in such remotes they last for years even.
@KentuckyRanger
@KentuckyRanger 2 жыл бұрын
That's right! I'd forgotten about Energizer Lithium! And yes, zinc carbon or (Heavy Duty) batteries are junk. I purchased a garage door remote a while back that came with them, and they were leaking inside the package! Thank God, they didn't install them, or it would've ruined the remote.
@kienanvella
@kienanvella 2 жыл бұрын
I have had a set of Energizer lithium AA cells in a Logitech keyboard with trackpad I use for the PC connected to my TV - I think they've been running for 3 or 4 years now.
@glenharris5728
@glenharris5728 2 жыл бұрын
Had the same meter and the same leak. There's a hole in the inner battery compartment where the spring contacts go through and the liquid leaked onto the circuit board. I noticed because the continuity buzzer failed and found the corroded traces were everywhere. Way too much to repair, including destroyed vias and traces going under components. I bought a bigger brother to the 210 and the first thing I did was to take it apart and hot glue the exact same holes in the battery compartment. Hopefully that'll save me another $60...
@jkbrown5496
@jkbrown5496 2 жыл бұрын
I had a leak in that same meter. Cleaned it but the DC current is off and I can't find why. Works fine for the other functions and AC current.
@Firecul
@Firecul 2 жыл бұрын
I think I'll open my meter and have a look later now I see this
@hectorsantiago5350
@hectorsantiago5350 2 жыл бұрын
Just switch to lithium batteries. They're more expensive, but your meter will thank you!
@nrdesign1991
@nrdesign1991 2 жыл бұрын
Had the batteries leaking inside the outdoor unit of my weather station, and it completely threw of the sensor inside. It now reports wild swings from -40 °C at night to maxed out scale during the day, with constant 95 % humidity.
@robertallardice8119
@robertallardice8119 2 жыл бұрын
@@jkbrown5496 What did you use to clean the meter?
@WobblycogsUk
@WobblycogsUk 2 жыл бұрын
That's a very good point. I've switched over to almost exclusively HiMH batteries but from a battery cost point of view it was hard to justify. If you include the cost of devices damaged by leaking alkaline cells though it's easier to make the case for a switch. Personally, I'd like to see kids toys come with AA NiMH batteries rather than the battery packs. The lack of standardization in the battery packs must cause so much waste.
@opapagaio15
@opapagaio15 2 жыл бұрын
Yeah, but it keeps the £, € & $ flowing into their coffers so it'll never happen :(
@PatrikKron
@PatrikKron 2 жыл бұрын
I try to buy devices with standard AA or AAA batteries whenever possible for that reason. I have no unused non-rechareable AA or AAA batteries left. So soon when the last few devices drains their batteries I'll have switched over fully to NiMH
@ruinunes8251
@ruinunes8251 2 жыл бұрын
I have a hell load of HiMH rechargeable batteries from LIDL which I charged them up using a solar charger. With the amount of toys that my kid has using batteries, it would take me bankrupt just to keep buying one use only batteries.
@ruinunes8251
@ruinunes8251 2 жыл бұрын
@@PatrikKron I also try to find devices or tools that I can use 18650 cells so I can charge them up with a cigarette lighter charger in the car for free.
@WELLINGTON20
@WELLINGTON20 2 жыл бұрын
Hickel metal hydride
@qviewq2071
@qviewq2071 2 жыл бұрын
When Duracell killed my prize possession SRL camera I cried. They tricked me by still working while they were leaking. I tried shorting many battery brands with a 1k resistor to try and find the best and worst but the batteries refused to leak. In the end I realised that when you buy new tech with batteries included, that may stay on the shelf for years before being sold, they always include GP batteries - so now that is all I buy, and so far, so good! (However Energizer have a no leak guarantee on some batteries)
@johnmcclanahan2272
@johnmcclanahan2272 2 жыл бұрын
I had the same thing happen with Rayovac batteries in a power winder. I was using the camera when I realized my hands were wet.
@daverei1211
@daverei1211 2 жыл бұрын
There was a time in Australia about 30 years ago when Duracell batteries never leaked, and so were my go to. However over the last 10 years I’ve found they leak.
@SeanBZA
@SeanBZA 2 жыл бұрын
That is because Duracell is now just a brand name slapped on some random cell. They stopped making batteries years ago when they were sold off to VC and hedge funds who just kept the name, but farm the actual work out to whoever is cheapest.
@ColinTimmins
@ColinTimmins 2 жыл бұрын
Duracell has become one of the worst batteries for leaking. I find Costco Kirkland batteries better and cheaper.
@thepsycholist207
@thepsycholist207 2 жыл бұрын
Duraleaks are the worst of all alkaleaks.
@Cautionary_Tale_Harris
@Cautionary_Tale_Harris 2 жыл бұрын
I got a wall clock for my office as a Christmas gift. Yesterday I looked in the supply pantry for a battery and the two Duracells I found had leaked.
@Graham_Langley
@Graham_Langley 2 жыл бұрын
Back when i was working in a local charity shop anything battery-powered that came in was checked for cell leakage and majority of leaking ones were Duracell. And no, it wasn't due to more Duracells being used in the stuff donated.
@bradley3549
@bradley3549 2 жыл бұрын
The #1 biggest reason I haven't swapped to using NiMH for more is that I can't seem to communicate the differences between batteries to my wife and kids. Too many years of just grabbing a cell from the drawer and tossing the old ones means I've lost a great many rechargeable cells by now.
@BBC600
@BBC600 2 жыл бұрын
😢 What a senseless waste...
@bradley3549
@bradley3549 2 жыл бұрын
@@BBC600 I know! Took me a while to realize what was happening. You'd think "green battery = rechargeable" is easy enough, right?
@talideon
@talideon 2 жыл бұрын
Here's an idea: have a specific bin for putting the batteries into, and just tell her to put the dead batteries in that for recycling. That'll give you a chance to catch any rechargeable ones before they get binned, and recycling old dead batteries is just a good idea anyway.
@chaos.corner
@chaos.corner 2 жыл бұрын
I also have a drawer where various batteries get thrown. Fished several older NiMH out a couple of months ago and was only able to revive about 25% of them.
@suspicionofdeceit
@suspicionofdeceit 2 жыл бұрын
Outrageous!
@srfurley
@srfurley 2 жыл бұрын
I haven’t seen a leaking battery in years, other than some in an old camera which I bought recently, which had probably been in there fore many years. The old standard zinc carbon cells, such as the blue EverReady U2, with the zinc case were a different matter, but that was back in the ‘60s. I have mainly changed to rechargeables, but that’s mainly due to cost and much reduced toxic waste.
@tnology2691
@tnology2691 2 жыл бұрын
Duracell batteries that I’ve bought in the past have often leaked well before their expiration date. The worst thing is the company tried to imply that the cells had not been kept at optimal temperature and storage conditions even when they refunded the purchase price. A good number of the unused batteries were leaking inside the packet! I’m very wary of alkaline cells now and check them regularly. Good advice in the video Clive.
@Urbicide
@Urbicide 2 жыл бұрын
Alkaline batteries were a huge improvement over the old carbon zinc flashlight batteries. I have bought primarily Duracell batteries (the copper top) for a number of years. I have noticed a sharp decline in their resistance to leaking somewhere during the past 5 to 7 years. I have had Duracell batteries leak in the packaging, long before their stated expiration date. I think that Duracell is just a trademark name they put on the batteries, & they are actually made by some Chinese companies, who are probably the lowest bidder.
@mickeythompson9537
@mickeythompson9537 2 жыл бұрын
Exactly. I've found Duracell batteries in my boxes from twenty-odd years ago: no leak. Ones still in packet from the year before: leaking. Some advice I got a few years back was to buy supermarket branded batteries: Sainsburys doesn't want their name on your ruined equipment, even if Duracell don't care.
@macmcleod1188
@macmcleod1188 2 жыл бұрын
It is typical in manufacturing to have a goal for managers to cut costs by 1% or more every year. The end result is that after 10 to 15 years of cost-cutting the resulting product is poor quality. It's likely that the leaking is processed by cost Savings of less than $0.03 and the batteries would cost 5 to $0.10 more if they didn't leak as easily.
@jasejj
@jasejj 2 жыл бұрын
The zinc-chloride batteries weren't that bad in the past either. I have a pound shop scientific calculator that I bought in 1996, which still has the original Hitachi cell I put in there on day one. Gets used every six months on average and not showing the slightest signs of leaking. I find it amusing that such a device has outlasted just about everything else in the house!
@mfbfreak
@mfbfreak 2 жыл бұрын
The problem isn't just chinese manufactured Duracell. I found a whole bunch of leaky Duracells from Belgium that were leaky. I have now switched to German Varta's. We'll have the results in a few years i guess.
@MAGGOT_VOMIT
@MAGGOT_VOMIT 2 жыл бұрын
Helpful Tip: When buying bulk akaline cells, always buy the ones like Duracel or Energizer that are sold and shipped by Amazon direct. They're always brand new and NOT out of date like the ones from the 3rd party Sellers.
@maybehuman4
@maybehuman4 2 жыл бұрын
I've loved NiMH in the 90s and early 2000s, they were great. Never had a leak, I still have some that I can recharge and they work. BUT the 1.2v is a real problem. Most electronics now do flag 1.2v as too low. It's unfortunate. I've had so many Alkaline batteries leak prematurely, often after only a year. What a waste.
@r100curtaincall
@r100curtaincall 2 жыл бұрын
I rarely have alkalines leak on me. Im always amazed when i hear about it. But then again I also don’t generally leave batteries sitting in things I’m not using actively either… they don’t tend to pop unless they’ve been sitting for a very long time, especially at a low voltage
@johnpossum556
@johnpossum556 2 жыл бұрын
They used to have some items like walkie talkies where they used to allow you to use 2 more cells if using NiMh.
@annieharkness4641
@annieharkness4641 2 жыл бұрын
I have 4 Rayovac NIHM batteries (green ends, silver body with black box on it) I got for use in a gamepad, but they barely last an hour from fully charged before the control starts disconnecting. The batteries are still showing almost fully charged when tested, so the controller just doesn't like 1.2Vx2. Old Xbox360 for Windows wireless pad. Can last a long time on a set of store-brand alkaline.
@mwechtal
@mwechtal 2 жыл бұрын
Of the alkalines I've used, Duracell seems to be one of the worst for leaking, and Panasonic seem to be one of the best.
@Zanthum
@Zanthum 2 жыл бұрын
"Project Farm" has several videos on ni-mh battery comparisons to tide you overbin the meantime. Some of his data is outdated though. For example, the Amazon basics batteries he tested were made in Japan but if you were to buy them today they are made in China and I have heard rumors that the performance has suffered, though I don't know by how much.
@johnmiller0000
@johnmiller0000 2 жыл бұрын
I've used alkaline batteries for years without any leakage issues - until the last 3 or 4 years. I doubt it's an inherent flaw in the design but cost-cutting by the manufacturers to drive the price down. They are certainly very, very much cheaper than they used to be. But so are NiMH batteries. Now, use those in all my equipment.
@whereswaldo5740
@whereswaldo5740 2 жыл бұрын
I believe it’s planned obsolescence. And people are catching onto prepping. You can’t have people surviving. It’s not part of the plan. Next thing they’ll be corroded in the shelf at the store.
@noop9k
@noop9k 2 жыл бұрын
The problem is that actually good NiMH, that don’t self-discharge and die from misuse are still expensive and not that easy to buy. Out of reach for majority of consumers who still need to be directed to purchase and use these.
@TechGuyCharlie
@TechGuyCharlie 2 жыл бұрын
Hey clive, it has been a couple of years since I've discontinued the use of alkaline batteries in every gadget around the house that uses AA or AAA batteries for the very same reason, replaced them with low self discharge NiMh rechargeables and so far its been great. NiMh battery last for years in remote controls, needs to be topped off once in about 16 months, I've got 10 year old Varta NiMh cells still going strong.
@ScottsSynthStuff
@ScottsSynthStuff 2 жыл бұрын
NiCd batteries are still used in aircraft and helicopters with turbine engines. The NiCd batteries can supply the massive current required to crank the engine up to several thousand RPM so that they can light off once jet fuel is introduced. They are then recharged once the engine starts, and the starter is switched to generator mode.
@johnpossum556
@johnpossum556 2 жыл бұрын
I think this may be one of those country issues? I swear I have seen HF have nicad drills still. I still use some and even low current ones are a perfect match for things like clocks and remotes. ( I just checked HF and I didn't see any nicads in the cheap drills. Who knew?) This is why Clive is our favorite fizzy wine drinking leader!
@big0bad0brad
@big0bad0brad 2 жыл бұрын
I tested out 40A short circuit output from an Eneloop AA (through 0.005 ohm resistor). The only issue would be low temperature, but NiMH can put up a good fight if it's a good cell design otherwise. The problem is often getting a low resistance interconnect - normal AA battery holders smoke the contacts much above 2A. This isn't to say that you could do 40A continuously out of one of these batteries, but doing 10A or maybe even 15A would be pretty doable.
@petertweed83
@petertweed83 2 жыл бұрын
In aviation, the risk is thermal runaway with other chemistries. That and the cost of certification!
@whitcwa
@whitcwa 2 жыл бұрын
They are also used in most satellites.
@tsm688
@tsm688 2 жыл бұрын
@@whitcwa satellites have something related but even MORE robust. Hubble had a set that lasted until its last refurbishing then got replaced and still works now
@stargazer7644
@stargazer7644 2 жыл бұрын
I've had a dozen unused brand new Duracell alkaline batteries start leaking in their package. They are complete rubbish anymore. They weren't like this in the past.
@timrockman7
@timrockman7 2 жыл бұрын
Because Duracell was sold to a Chinese garbage maker.
@SodaAnt7
@SodaAnt7 2 жыл бұрын
DuraHell batteries are now part of a Chinese company that’s apparently run by bean counters rather than engineers.
@phantomkate6
@phantomkate6 2 жыл бұрын
Interesting. Am doing a big clean-out of a grandparent's house. Have come across a few leaking boxes of Duracells that hadn't even reached their expiry dates. I wondered if something unusual had happened to them. Very annoying, isn't it?
@NOWThatsRichy
@NOWThatsRichy 2 жыл бұрын
@@phantomkate6 The reason modern alkaline batteries leak, is because they no longer contain mercury, this was used to help stabilise the chemical reactions in the battery, to reduce the chance of leakage. Back when alkaline batteries first came on to the market & into the 80's & 90's they never used to leak, in fact that was one of their selling points.
@tbelding
@tbelding 2 жыл бұрын
Duracell has been that way for the last 15 years. I use Northern Tool's brand, and haven't had any of those blow yet. Of blown batteries, I'd say it's 95% duracell, and 5% every other manufacturer.
@columjevens4612
@columjevens4612 2 жыл бұрын
I heard my battery leak ! In the quiet of the night, I heard a very faint , very high pitched buzz , which sounded like a mosquito . After searching around for the source discovered it was coming from my radio . Opened up battery compartment to find it was the battery singing and just starting to leak fluid . It must have been the gas build up escaping like a mini jet .radio saved easily because it had only just started .It was too high a freq for my wife to hear . Ps every leaking battery recently has been a Duracell with me. They used to be much better
@assassinlexx1993
@assassinlexx1993 2 жыл бұрын
Good catch I think the reason is cheaper to produce. One wonders if you dripped the batteries in rubber and cleaned just tiny spot at the contacts. If that would work?
@wibbley1
@wibbley1 2 жыл бұрын
Yep, Duracells are always leaky. I don't use them anymore.
@damian9303
@damian9303 2 жыл бұрын
Every electronic that was unfortunate enough to still have Duracell branded batteries inside since the early 90s or later all leaked out for me
@curtmcd
@curtmcd 2 жыл бұрын
If a battery leaks in your electronic device, use a small brush (a toothbrush will suffice) to rub vinegar on the contacts and rinse away the battery acid, and then again to rinse a little with water. It's amazing how well it works. It leaves no trace of damage or acid. I've saved many a device this way.
@NOWThatsRichy
@NOWThatsRichy 2 жыл бұрын
With alkaline batteries, originally they contained a small amount of mercury, this helped to stabilise the chemical reactions in the battery, it's only when this stopped being added, for the usual 'environmental' reasons, probably around 20 years ago, that the leakage problems started. The worst brand is The Kodak branded ones from Poundland, they can often leak while still in the packaging, years before the expiry date, I don't buy those anymore. Panasonic & Varta seem to be the best for not leaking & Lidl's own brand Aerocells too.
@tmmtmm
@tmmtmm 2 жыл бұрын
Varta are horrible here in Australia, however the Vartas sold here are absolute bottom of the barrel, much cheaper than Duracell/Energizer. I use Energizer Industrial from the big electronic distributors (Digi, E14) which have proven far far more reliable than the 'normal'/retail Energizers sold at the local supermarkets. I pulled a set of Duracells that expired in 2001 the other day and they hadn't leaked! Another set expiring in 2002 had leaked all over the place. Both in devices with zero standby current.
@NOWThatsRichy
@NOWThatsRichy 2 жыл бұрын
@@tmmtmm 2002, yes that was probably about the time when they stopped adding the mercury content & the leakage problems started!
@dino6627
@dino6627 2 жыл бұрын
With rechargeable batteries a good charger is a must, one that individually monitors the cells and has good control circuitry. Selectable or moderate charge current is best. There are so many poor quality ones around, with very basic design, often charging batteries in pairs.
@MickHealey
@MickHealey 2 жыл бұрын
Agreed. I have a battery charger that can do 12 at once. I often get 1 or 2 dead batteries, and suspect it is the charger killing them. I may be wrong, but the problem appears to be, that it continues to charge ALL batteries until the last one is ready. So, 'over-cooking' the majority. I'm considering buying, or designing one that charges multiple batteries, but treats each battery individually.
@Lagged2Death
@Lagged2Death 2 жыл бұрын
If you're using the cells in pairs, wouldn't it make the most sense to charge them in pairs, i.e., as a battery? I have a charger that monitors individual cells but the result is my NiMH AA/AAA cells all wind up with different voltages. Which could be why I've got so many ruined cells.
@theoneohmresistor
@theoneohmresistor 2 жыл бұрын
BQ-CC55 or 17
@SproutyPottedPlant
@SproutyPottedPlant 2 жыл бұрын
Got those, mine always seem to overshoot and create hot batteries 😟 Amazon USB charger never had a problem, slow to charge but they don’t get warm! So my Wii and torches are always ready.
@Javadamutt
@Javadamutt 2 жыл бұрын
@Knuckles the Echidna Some chargers use heat to detect when a cell is charged
@MrDuncl
@MrDuncl 2 жыл бұрын
My most expensive Duracell leak was in the wireless thermostat for the central heating. Unfixable and £120 for a replacement. The batteries leaked over the summer when the heating wasn't required so I didn't notice. I'm not sure about built in and prismatic Lithiums. I have had quite a few swell up in units not being used, one physically breaking the OLED display in a Sony MP3 player. Last month I discovered a five year old LIDL power bank with a distinct bulge in the middle. That had literally never been used apart from testing it on the day I bought it. Doing some research they are more likely to cause an emergency than be useful in one.
@kevinjekyll1521
@kevinjekyll1521 2 жыл бұрын
Yes, I have a bunch of older gear with remotes, I was dismayed at the number of bad batteries in them, all Alkaline. Luckily I managed to recover them all, but it took quite a bit of time. Sadly a lot of remotes want 1.5v, you can get 1.5v rechargables, well you could at one point, they seem to have vanished, they were very expensive. I think you just need to treat batties like a cars oil change, just check them and swap them out as required. I just double checked all mine, all good. Thanks for the heads up, as always great content.
@Shaun.Stephens
@Shaun.Stephens 2 жыл бұрын
Gotta say I agree Clive. I just bought another 12 Eneloops ("Boxing Day' Sale, 30% off retail) to add to the growing collection. Some of my '80s and '90s audio gear remotes are near irreplaceable and it only took one alkaline leak to convince me to go all Eneloop.
@garlet69
@garlet69 2 жыл бұрын
Exactly same here
@JxH
@JxH 2 жыл бұрын
Eneloops are permanently half price "on sale" at IKEA. Their Ladda 2450 AA cells *are* Eneloop, same factory and same specs. Precisely identical.
@Shaun.Stephens
@Shaun.Stephens 2 жыл бұрын
@@JxH Good to know - if only I lived in the UK! ;)
@BeautifulAngelBlossom
@BeautifulAngelBlossom 2 жыл бұрын
i had enloop back when Sanyo made them used them in Point and Shoot camera they lastes as long as high end battery but they only lasted a year before 2 of stop charging and that around the time Panasonic bought that name so bought 2 of them they did not last as long would get very hot in charger Where other 2 Sanyo branded ones never did and it Sanyo enloop charger too . I never bought anymore i went to rayvac fusion never really had issue with them now i use my phone lol no need for point and shoot camera
@Shaun.Stephens
@Shaun.Stephens 2 жыл бұрын
@@BeautifulAngelBlossom Same, all of that (Canon camera). However I replaced the Eneloop charger quire quickly because, as you say, the cells got hot in it. I still have those cells, still going well (as well as newer Eneloops, never had trouble with them). Happy New Year!
@pauly540
@pauly540 2 жыл бұрын
Had to repair many pinball machine boards that suffered many years of so called non-leak Alkaline batteries installed, spreading toxic corrosion on every trace in a confine space. So glad when nvram became available.
@Waccoon
@Waccoon 2 жыл бұрын
Rrgh... I hate those things. I lost an Amiga 3000T to one of those infamous Varta batteries. So many old computers from the 80's and early 90's have been destroyed by those horrible batteries they soldered to the motherboards. Luckily the aftermarket expansion cards usually used lithium button batteries. My A1200 FPU and RTC card still works like a champ and I've only replaced the CR2032 battery twice in nearly 30 years.
@MrPlytiger
@MrPlytiger 2 жыл бұрын
Good point . The oldest working NiCd batteries I have are 2x 6v cells that came with a NOS Gen2 tank night vision periscope, they are dated 1984 and still charge up and work fine, they didn't even leak.
@gregs2284
@gregs2284 2 жыл бұрын
Once upon a time we had "heavy duty" cells which I guess were zinc-carbon. They leaked all the time and alkaline batteries were the upgrade. Alkaline batteries *never* leaked. It's amazing to see that they're now the ones with the reputation for leaking. I guess the problem was never the chemistry and just the margins and the engineering them down to a price. Duracell used to be a premium brand that lasted longer and never leaked -- now it's a bit of a zombie brand that's licensed and manufactured cheaply and is notorious for leaking. It would be interesting to see a disassembly of batteries from different decades and brands with measurements of the thickness of the layers. Fwiw Duracell will warranty their batteries including paying for damage caused to electronics from them leaking.
@MattF340
@MattF340 2 жыл бұрын
Ever Ready used to do Zinc Carbon Silver Seal batteries in the 80s, they were guaranteed against leakage and to be fair i have never found one that had, even after decades. kzfaq.info/get/bejne/oKl8p66dppvUcnU.html
@askjacob
@askjacob 2 жыл бұрын
Sure. Try that warranty when their batteries destroy traces on the main pcb of a valuable 1991 pinball machine. They don't even bother to respond at allot any complaints or enquiries
@rubenproost2552
@rubenproost2552 2 жыл бұрын
To this day I've never had an alkaline battery leak. Maybe a regional problem?
@DavidStrchld
@DavidStrchld 2 жыл бұрын
That's a great point, I'm always a bit hesitant using a rechargeable for my kid's device for that very reason. Also his devices are more likely to be abandoned toys at the bottom of his toy box that will never be used again, so another way to lose them.
@martinploughboy988
@martinploughboy988 2 жыл бұрын
Yes, Leclanché cells used to leak seriously, but I suspect Clive is too young to remember them. Once upon a time alkaline batteries from Duracell were guaranteed not to leak, nor did they do so. Today they’re dreadful and I haven’t seen their guarantee for a long time.
@minetogiveaway
@minetogiveaway 2 жыл бұрын
As someone heading for a leaky, crusty future, I'm not ready to retire either!
@FurrBeard
@FurrBeard 2 жыл бұрын
I have phased out alkalines to "disposable" applications where I don't want someone walking off with a rechargeable cell. Everything else is NiMH or LiFePO4 (3.2v per cell nominal) with spacers for the stuff that needs the higher voltage. Also - and this isn't a huge secret - IKEA's "LADDA" brand cells are rebadged Eneloops, sold much cheaper. ;)
@tbelding
@tbelding 2 жыл бұрын
I just bought three packs of LADDA yesterday, to fix some 'to be thrown away' high dollar bluetooth hand scanners. Looks like I'll need to buy a few more packs.
@ZakkandtheJ
@ZakkandtheJ 2 жыл бұрын
I just use them for remotes and my digital scale
@firesurfer
@firesurfer 2 жыл бұрын
I just noticed in IKEA a couple days ago 2450 ladda for $8. (per 4)
@ucitymetalhead
@ucitymetalhead 2 жыл бұрын
I seen lately that they changed the label from white to green and I wondered if they were still the same high quality as before.
@tbelding
@tbelding 2 жыл бұрын
@@ucitymetalhead The ones I just bought were 2450, and were grey. The 1900's were also grey. The capacity was written in VERY LARGE numbers.
@kittenisageek
@kittenisageek 2 жыл бұрын
Lately I've been using 1.5v rechargeable lithium AAs in devices that are voltage critical. They use a voltage regulator to provide 1.5v until capacity is around 10%, then they switch to 1.2v to trigger low voltage alerts.
@abhijeet_ghosh
@abhijeet_ghosh 2 жыл бұрын
I noticed that the leakiest batteries are those inside trickle usage devices. For example, my zigbee lock, which pings often and uses tiny amounts of charge nearly every hour as well as locking/unlocking, made new batteries leak. Same with various mice/keyboards that are Bluetooth, and therefore, check in with the computer often. However, TV remotes almost never leak, bc most remotes use no charge until a button is pressed.
@qwertimus
@qwertimus 2 жыл бұрын
Honestly, I've never had a problem with Energizer batteries, always had problems with Duracell batteries
@YodaWhat
@YodaWhat 2 жыл бұрын
I've had PLENTY of leaks from both, and Duracells went from the better to the worse of that comparison.
@rogerbailey7301
@rogerbailey7301 2 жыл бұрын
The worse by far for me is Duracell. So many bad ones.
@jerrellbevers6071
@jerrellbevers6071 2 жыл бұрын
I had bought AA and AAA batteries at the same time 2 years ago. They were Energizer. Every single one of these have leaked. It's gotten so bad that I would totally be shocked if I found an alkaline battery _that didn't leak_ I don't remember this happening when I was a kid. You could find something that hadn't been used in years and the batteries would just be dead, not busted. I feel like now when I put alkaline batteries in something I need to put a reminder in my phone for 6 months down the road to make sure they aren't ruining what they're in. Thought I was being paranoid but now I'm swapping styles.
@JustaShrimp372
@JustaShrimp372 2 жыл бұрын
Ive never had a problem with duracells
@retroattic4647
@retroattic4647 2 жыл бұрын
First off, thanks for covering this topic. Your viewership reach might just kick off the revolution needed to fix this problem. Growing up in the 70s and 80s I can state with absolute authority that I recall only a handful of leaky alkaline batteries. Since 2010 I would say 50% of all AA and AAA batteries that I've purchased have leaked. I switched to slow internal discharge NiMH for most things but some devices still need the higher voltage to work properly or long enough. We need designers to rethink operating voltage to more closely match NiMH voltages and we'd be in great shape for the switch. Given the MCU shift from 5v to 3.3V and down to 1.8 or 1.2V this should be easy enough to accomplish. A campaign for the environment and against the wasteful Alkaline battery might just do it.
@Fifury161
@Fifury161 2 жыл бұрын
This video reminds me why I started watching your content all those years ago - it was your video about calculating battery capacity using a pocket watch!
@tncorgi92
@tncorgi92 2 жыл бұрын
Having lived in Florida I always kept a hurricane kit in the closet. There's nothing more aggravating than taking out the flashlight or radio only to find death crust all over the battery compartment. And good luck finding batteries in the stores with a storm approaching. You have to change all the cells out every year just to be safe.
@travcollier
@travcollier 2 жыл бұрын
When I was working in HI, the lab had a rule that batteries had to be removed before putting away anything. I assume something about the climate made leaking worse, or maybe just the corrosion caused by leakage was worse. It was rather annoying, but less annoying than having to clean crusty battery good out.
@royhills
@royhills 2 жыл бұрын
When alkaline cells started replacing zinc/carbon in the 1970s, one of the selling points was that they didn't leak like the old zinc/carbon ones did. And I don't recall leaking alkalines in the early years. I wonder why they leak nowadays - did the battery chemistry change?
@BLKSG6
@BLKSG6 2 жыл бұрын
What’s interesting is that I’ve only seen alkaline batteries leak when they are installed in something. I wonder if it has something to do with “always kind of on” nature of devices nowadays. 30 years ago, if you depleted a battery, you would actually have to be using the device when it depleted, so you would replace it right away. Now, devices drain the battery sitting in the drawer, and I think they just can’t reliably contain the completely drained chemicals, which probably increase pressure on the case.
@BLKSG6
@BLKSG6 2 жыл бұрын
I’ll add that other battery chemistries, like the non-rechargeable lithium batteries, have special vents to discharge the reaction gasses. If they leak it can lead to a fire. But those batteries cost more. When alkaline batteries leak, it’s mostly only annoying, so it probably wasn’t considered “cost effective” to develop something to prevent it. Especially since these were developed at the same time as the Ford Pinto, when companies definitely wouldn’t have found the extra production cost worth it.
@Hellsong89
@Hellsong89 2 жыл бұрын
Could be the device design as well being in fault. Plenty of tiny crap on board and mosfet switching and such designs have small current draw. its fine if you use the device a lot, but if its one of those rarely used but useful tools for instance it will draw the battery dead with out warning. I have stud finder laser combo device. If i leave battery in it will be dead when i use it again, hence i always remove battery in that and other devices when ever possible and use them in battery lights to run them dry so i dont waste electrical tape to cover the connection.
@bentonjackson8698
@bentonjackson8698 2 жыл бұрын
I think you have a good point here. I've had to toss or clean several old devices lately because they had a leaky alkaline in it. But I just found a travel alarm clock yesterday that I hadn't used in years that was still working. I opened it up, and it had eneloops in it.
@stormwooten1606
@stormwooten1606 2 жыл бұрын
I had this happen in my TV remote. Standard Duracell, with a year before expiration. You just convinced me to get rid of them
@stormwooten1606
@stormwooten1606 2 жыл бұрын
I'm also damn tired of forgetting to buy AAA batteries for the two remotes that take them
@rougenaxela
@rougenaxela 2 жыл бұрын
I'm with you on this. I use NiHM cells for _almost_ everything these days. The exceptions are a few crappy devices that really seem to dislike the 1.2V nominal voltage
@leotam3372
@leotam3372 2 жыл бұрын
My mom has this blood pressure monitor that will last months with a set of alkalines but only two weeks with NIMH. Very frustrating
@opapagaio15
@opapagaio15 2 жыл бұрын
I too recently noticed a sharp increase in the number of leaky Duracells & the like, I put it down to cheap fakes. A friend recently gave me an old Avo 8 multimeter which he hadn't used for years. It came complete with an orange EverReady HP2 battery. I remember these from my schooldays in the 70s. This one has no leaks and still measures 1.49V! NiMH is way forward. All my remote controls and other seldom-used items have NiMH cells now (except the old Avo lol!), should have done it years ago before losing too many to battery cancer.
@problemwithauthority
@problemwithauthority 2 жыл бұрын
I have had replace many hundreds of dollars of electronic products because of leaky alkaline batteries. Thanks Clive. Happy New Year.
@bills6093
@bills6093 2 жыл бұрын
I think they've been leaking more in the last few years than I can remember. I just don't recall alkaline cells leaking very often many years ago.
@phantomkate6
@phantomkate6 2 жыл бұрын
Same. I also never recall ever having a new box of batteries start to leak, long before the expiry date. I just had to pitch the greater portion of 3 big packages of Duracells. Ridiculous!
@chaos.corner
@chaos.corner 2 жыл бұрын
I seem to recall one of the benefits touted when they were first on the market was that they wouldn't leak as much as the older cells.
@KentuckyRanger
@KentuckyRanger 2 жыл бұрын
@@chaos.corner Back when Alkaline batteries first came out, I NEVER had one leak! Now, all of a sudden, I can't get one to last a year without leaking all over the place, and ruining whatever they're installed in. It's like they've taken something out of the manufacturing process, to save money, and it's ruining everyone's devices!
@nefariumxxx
@nefariumxxx 2 жыл бұрын
@@KentuckyRanger They took out mercury. Mercury prevented gas buildup upon discharge.
@electronicengineer
@electronicengineer 2 жыл бұрын
@@nefariumxxx Precisely. New alkaline cells are no longer manufactured using the mercury, hence the gas buildup and subsequent leakage problem of new alkaline cells. I believe the removal of the mercury was to make the batteries "cleaner" to the environment and of course there are the cost savings, associated with not including the mercury anymore. Win - win for the alkaline battery manufactures, continuous loss for us consumers. Seems to be a common theme in our world these days.
@rpdom
@rpdom 2 жыл бұрын
I still use alkalines in many things. I found some things, like the clocks I've got that self-set using the wireless signal tend to go badly wrong when the voltage drops below about 1.3V. Also I've got a few cheap bluetooth computer mice that take two AAs each and they start acting up when the voltage dips a bit. Other than that I love rechargeables. I use them in everything I can.
@stargazer7644
@stargazer7644 2 жыл бұрын
Just get yourself some batterizers!
@gbraadnl
@gbraadnl 2 жыл бұрын
You are joking, right?
@thatguy7595
@thatguy7595 2 жыл бұрын
I still use zinc batteries
@keithtanner2806
@keithtanner2806 2 жыл бұрын
In their early days Duracell used to offer compensation if their batteries leaked but I am pretty sure they no longer do this. In the 1950s we used to test batteries for Duracell whilst potholing. Great long lasting batteries BUT they ran down very abruptly which could leave you in complete darkness if you found yourself in a long tricky section. We quickly relegated them to extreme emergency use only!
@ludwik5992
@ludwik5992 2 жыл бұрын
This info is greatly appreciated as I never thought of this possibly to utilise the newer type of batteries, and immediately changed all that I could so I have no more worries about some of my meters.
@johnnykeys1978
@johnnykeys1978 2 жыл бұрын
Yes it's almost 2022 and batteries still utterly suck, but we have to consider the benefits of this situation. By colluding, monopolizing and stifling battery technology, profits have been kept so mind-blowingly high that a select set of folk who you and I will never meet are able to live a life of absolute luxury, never have to wait in line, and always are pampered and waited upon due to sheer excess wealth.
@drsquirrel00
@drsquirrel00 2 жыл бұрын
Lithium cells (replaceable like 18650, and 14500, not the foil packed crap) are okay, but getting everyone to make devices to take these and suddenly not be compatible with what is out there... its not a battery manufacturer issue. You can get yourself dummy cells and put a single 14500 per x 2AA etc
@bsimpson6204
@bsimpson6204 2 жыл бұрын
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@nikidash3791
@nikidash3791 2 жыл бұрын
There's some odd devices that seem to work better with alkaline batteries and their higher voltage. A relative of mine runs a trailcam in the forest nearby and we noticed that rechargeable batteries make the video capture start too late, to the point that most videos were nothing or at most half a second of a tail going out of frame. Switched to alkaline batteries, and just like that the problem was fixed, video capture now triggered as soon as an animal was in frame.
@dustcommander100
@dustcommander100 2 жыл бұрын
Excellent info that I needed to hear about! Had several instances lately where the alkalines leaked in my equipment, and it seems the equipment's never the same after corrosion sets in
@Stevie_D
@Stevie_D 2 жыл бұрын
I've gotten into the (painful) process of installing batteries before I use a piece of equipment, then removing them when I am done after having too many battery leaks. The plus side of this method is I can (and do) always check the battery before I install it so I am "sure" it shouldn't go flat when I am hanging by my rear end in some awkward situation when using said piece of equipment.
@robear0135
@robear0135 2 жыл бұрын
Classic.. What timing. Ive just started switching out Alkaline batteries for NiMH batteries in all my devices after discovering a leaking battery (caught it in time), that wasnt past its due date, and was purchased new not that long ago. Some devices complain of low battery, but the % they report never drops for a long time... I even replaced the Alkalines in my PinBall machine with them a year ago. Still going strong (one day, Ill do the memory mod so it doesnt need battery backup)...
@Stuartrusty
@Stuartrusty 2 жыл бұрын
Agreed, I took your advice from a video a couple of years ago and swapped out all my AA powered stuff to the LADDA/Panasonic NiMH chemistry. It was a bit more expensive initially, but with a good quality multi chemistry charger, I really think it was the best move battery wise I made. Don't really have many primary cell powered items any more, just a multimeter, beard trimmer, and a linear PCM sound recorder. Been using them for 2 years now no issues. The sound recorder does show low battery at 80% discharge, but I can live with that and it functions perfectly fine otherwise.
@RicoElectrico
@RicoElectrico 2 жыл бұрын
Sadly IKEA bumped prices of LADDA as of late, at least in Poland. So much so, that they also offer poor man's versions in lower capacity. Wish I bought more of AAA, because they always come in handy these days.
@user-gx6jb6wc5g
@user-gx6jb6wc5g 2 жыл бұрын
The higher capacity cells always fetch a premium price because of the work involved in packing in that extra chemistry. The lower capacity ones have advantages, notably much lower self discharge.
@wkrbtg9
@wkrbtg9 2 жыл бұрын
Absolutely right. I’ve lost count of how many flashlights and other electronics I’ve had to discard and replace due to leaking alkaline batteries
@danieljones317
@danieljones317 2 жыл бұрын
Yea, I've noticed that, too. I have been keeping batteries in their packaging until needed, and purchasing off brands. They all still leak, but if they aren't in the device, then no harm done. I've also noticed a pattern, that they tend to leak sooner when installed. I have some theories on that phenomenon, but have no way to test it. I go through a lot of batteries in my line of work, so they are constantly being changed out, and it's not a problem for those devices. I will be making the rounds on all the battery powered things today, though.
@dlhorne42
@dlhorne42 2 жыл бұрын
I'm a big fan of Sanyo/Panasonic Eneloop NiMH rechargeable AA+AAA batteries. I've been using them almost exclusively for over 10 years in all sorts of devices with no issues. The package on the most recent batch claimed they would hold 70% of their charge for *up to* 10 years and can be recharged *up to* 2100 times, pretty crazy stats!
@arahant69
@arahant69 2 жыл бұрын
Ikea lada AA are half the price, made in the sane factory in Japan and have same build 2450mah. The 2100 mah are not eneloop pro so will have less mah capacity.
@dlhorne42
@dlhorne42 2 жыл бұрын
@J R I've heard of those but never tried them. Thanks for the reminder, I'll have to check them out! 👍
@g7mks383
@g7mks383 2 жыл бұрын
Totally agree with you. I can remember the old Zinc battery days and the leaks we had with them mmmm. Then we were introduced to "Leakproof Battery's' all our troubles would be over. How wrong we were, wonder what went wrong with that statement. Thanks for the update.
@Frostified
@Frostified 2 жыл бұрын
Pretty much everything modern is trash.
@g7mks383
@g7mks383 2 жыл бұрын
@@Frostified Yes I can agree with that.
@BigA1
@BigA1 2 жыл бұрын
Vinegar and a cotton bud are my solution to finding a leaked alkaline cell. Just apply the Vinegar soaked cotton bud to the affected area and watch it 'fizz'. When the fizzing has died down and the affected area (usually the metal battery contact) cleaned up - clean up with water, again applied with a cotton bud. Needles to say, restrict Vinegar and water to the affected areas and ensure they don't impinge onto other electronic areas.
@tomwilliams8675
@tomwilliams8675 2 жыл бұрын
I completely agree. In years past when I would go to get a a certain piece of test equipment out to use only to see that the batteries had been left in it and leaked.
@randyhavard6084
@randyhavard6084 2 жыл бұрын
There has been loads of electronic devices thrown away because leaky batteries ruined them. Many items from my childhood were put in storage only to find out years later no one took the batteries out and they were pretty much all trash.
@Corgitronics
@Corgitronics 2 жыл бұрын
Yes, I have had similar experiences. For many things I now use Eneloop batteries, most of mine are about 6 years old and still going. For more serious stuff, like expensive multimeters, I have long been using Energizer Industrial batteries. So far none of the industrial batteries have leaked, and I have run some long, slow leakeage tests.
@jmr
@jmr 2 жыл бұрын
I'm using li-ion 9 volts in meters.
@jackwsmf
@jackwsmf 2 жыл бұрын
I believe I heard somewhere those Energizer Industrial batteries are the same as the regular but just packaged in bulk compared to the plastic wrapped batteries
@RossMitchellsProfile
@RossMitchellsProfile 2 жыл бұрын
All I can say is avoid Energizer's rechargable batteries (the green packs you see in supermarkets), bought a few packs of them when I was in Uni a few years back, at this point every single one of them has leaked.
@jmr
@jmr 2 жыл бұрын
@@RossMitchellsProfile I have a bunch of Rayovac which look similar that are many years old and doing fine. Just make sure you read the package because they sell two versions one of which has higher capacity. EDIT: I bought a nice charger that charges each battery individually. I wouldn't use the cheap chargers that you find in the grocery store.
@PhilipBallGarry
@PhilipBallGarry 2 жыл бұрын
Thanks Clive 👍. But, see what you've done now is compelled me to go through the entire house and workshop replacing every alkaline cell. I may be gone some time 🙄😂
@InimitaPaul
@InimitaPaul 2 жыл бұрын
Thank you! I bought this exact meter a few months back and the last thing I want is to have to clean it out. It’s a really good meter.
@hokostudios
@hokostudios 2 жыл бұрын
Good to hear. I've been having trouble lately with Energizers going and leaking if I forget about them for any amount of time, and honestly was ecstatic to find Duracells over the holidays since finding any other brand here seems to be neigh impossible. But I'll have to keep in mind to consider getting some new NiMH batteries after I'm through those. Much as you've suggested, I've never had an issue with the ones I have, except one: They're like 15 years old and only hold a charge for a day or two now!
@MrXBT2000
@MrXBT2000 2 жыл бұрын
Just found a couple of leaky cells myself as I went through some things that had not been used the last ten years (actually looking for my abandoned set of NiMHs and their charger). The worst one was a Duracell in a Garmin GPS, that one left a mark. I've also come across a couple of leaky Energizers in a LED string and the indoor unit of a thermometer. I've hardly seen any leaks in all the cheap supermarket brand cells I have laying around - thinking they may be somewhat less densely packed than the fancy ones, thus more room for the contents to expand. I also came across a bunch of cheap "ABC Alkaline" cells that expired around 2015, no leak and still in the mid green sector on my tester.
@stargazer7644
@stargazer7644 2 жыл бұрын
The generic cells that come packed with devices from china never seem to leak.
@MrXBT2000
@MrXBT2000 2 жыл бұрын
@@stargazer7644 I had one AAA that I suspect was a bundled one leak as well. Luckily it was sitting in the spare battery slot in the foam in the storage box for the device - a long time banned green astro laser for pointing out stars when star gazing.
@Robothut
@Robothut 2 жыл бұрын
It is all true. I have been telling my followers of vintage battery toys for years to never leave a battery in the toys when not in use. All alkaline batteries will leak given time. Back in the 1950's and 1960's it was the carbon base batteries that leaked and took the life of many a vintage toy. Even button cell batteries leak given time. Many of my vintage robot toys "there are over 4600 of them in the Robothut" have a value way over the price of my best test equipment in my shop, so I have to make sure the batteries are accounted for after a video play time. So many good bots have been damaged by these batteries. But just the other day I played with a 35 year old robot toy that has built in Nicad batteries and was surprised to find that they still took a charge and worked ! Amazing. Great video Clive.
@RaggedsEdge
@RaggedsEdge 2 жыл бұрын
I’ve been buying eneloops for stuff as the occasion arises. Im glad to hear I’m not crazy because I have found modern alkalines to be a lot more predisposed to leaking than I recall from the 80’s and 90’s.
@DanielGBenesScienceShows
@DanielGBenesScienceShows 2 жыл бұрын
Glad you got the meter running again. Sadly, I’ve got a pretty well-populated photo album on my iPhone devoted to my own casualties of the alkaline wars (Duracell has been the worst. In fact, I’ve stopped buying Duracell completely because of their high leak rate). Even more sadly, many of our casualties have been precious Hallmark “light & sound” Christmas ornaments that aren’t made to be opened for repair. Fortunately, I’ve also gotten really good at cleaning up and repairing the damage… First I open the device (I’ll find a way in, even if it’s slightly destructive) because electrolyte often leaks inside and if ignored will continue to corrode. Then I thoroughly neutralize any electrolyte with cotton swabs dipped in 9% acetic acid, aka “canning vinegar” (regular vinegar is usually 5%). Then I neutralize the acid with a thin baking soda and water paste. Then I thoroughly rinse everything that is rinsable with 91% or higher isopropyl alcohol (be careful as some solvents will damage plastics). I’ll usually file, sand or Dremel the battery contacts and “tin” them with a fresh solder surface. I automatically replace any affected wires because electrolyte is usually drawn up into them under the insulation by capillary action and will continue to corrode the wire later. Then I resolder any bad connections and replace any discrete components that were damaged. I’ve got access to better chemicals but usually stick to good old fashioned vinegar, baking soda and isopropyl alcohol. Alkaline batteries have high power output, so I still like them for many tasks. For emergency type devices I’ll store the batteries next to the device in zip-lock bags. Just don’t forget to remove them before you store your device-unless you want more repairs added to your already lengthy to-do (honey-do) list.
@chrishard7616
@chrishard7616 2 жыл бұрын
Duracell batteries are terrible...they have destroyed expensive digital pressure gauges. I have tried the so called Procell version and they leak the same. There is supposed to be a guarantee against this but how one would claim is beyond me. I have cheap Chinese alkaline cells that are 10+ years old that are still working in remotes without leakage. It's unacceptable in this day and age having to suffer cell leakage like this and manufacturers should be held accountable.
@Tom_Losh
@Tom_Losh 2 жыл бұрын
Guess I'm going to have to move to NIMH cells for most of my gear.
@TATICMOOR
@TATICMOOR 2 жыл бұрын
Oh my, one's favorite white or green crusty delight after opening a battery compartment. So much joy in cleaning it all up. Then hoping the device will work again if it hasn't reached to far inside to ruin components.
@jensschroder8214
@jensschroder8214 2 жыл бұрын
For a hobby musik band I've got 9 V blocks again. They use it in wireless headphones, defective guitar devices and that sort of thing. But also rechargeable blocks. The NI-MH is available with the voltages 7.2 volts, 8.4 volts or 9.6 volts. I got them the 9.6 volt variant, which also stores the charge longer. In addition, the battery empty indicator comes on at 7 volts. A full accumulator has always been enough for the entire performance so far.
@RJARRRPCGP
@RJARRRPCGP Жыл бұрын
Back in the early-2000s, IIRC, I found that Ni-cad batteries really have a cliff, where they suddenly die with my R/C cars! Nickel-metal-hydride was much better, the drop was gradual, compared to nickel-cadmium. Am I the only one having bad luck with nickel-cadmium?
@FireAngelOfLondon
@FireAngelOfLondon 2 жыл бұрын
I caught some Duracells leaking just yesterday; fortunately I discovered the leak in time to avoid damage to the flash-light they were installed in. I was already buying more and more rechargeable cells and more and more chargers, yesterday's annoying failure will just speed things up.
@bjem2287
@bjem2287 2 жыл бұрын
I wasn't even aware alkaline cells could leak like this. On the bright side, the leakage does appear to be potassium hydroxide which reacts with CO2 in the air to form potassium carbonate.
@lemonwedge9237
@lemonwedge9237 2 жыл бұрын
I have recently come the same realisation too. I bought some IKEA LADDA 2450mAh batteries, charged them up and I've been using them in old film cameras with no ill effects. I've heard these can be quite sensitive as they rely on the voltage for the exposure readings, but so far I've not had any noticeable impact. I also purchased the AAA batteries for my remote controls, no problems there either and it is refreshing not to produce so much waste from disposables.
@isaacplaysbass8568
@isaacplaysbass8568 2 жыл бұрын
Please could you do a deep-dive series into battery technology along these lines? I really enjoyed this, thank you Clive.
@IncertusetNescio
@IncertusetNescio 2 жыл бұрын
Get yourself a nice charger for NiMH batteries and about double the number you need, and you're in business for anything that needs them. The spares are there for immediate need, and by the time you should need a fresh set, the previous ones have long been charged and put back in storage. They're actually pretty good these days for most uses. You can get high capacity or low self-discharge (they put lithium to shame on capacity/volume, but get shamed back on power out/in). I have a 4-Cell unit with per-cell management, discharge, discharge-refresh, charge, and a test function all in one, with cycle-through readouts for current, voltage, capacity, etc. When I get a dead cell I put it in and set it to discharge so I get a full cycle out of it and then it goes as normal. If I find an iffy one I discharge-refresh it and see if it's still good. Out of a set of two in a wireless handset, one was good, the other was dead. With a dumber charger I would not know that.
@user-gx6jb6wc5g
@user-gx6jb6wc5g 2 жыл бұрын
The dumb chargers have their uses. Most smart chargers will end a charge too early on older or lower capacity cells.
@crazycanadian7223
@crazycanadian7223 2 жыл бұрын
I am curious, do you use rechargeable C or D cells? And I don't mean a AA or a AAA in a holder, of course, I mean the real deal. I have a Maglite and a lantern that I want to switch to NiMH, but good information on NiMH Cs and Ds seems very scarce indeed, and not very many companies make them.
@Goodmanperson55
@Goodmanperson55 2 жыл бұрын
@@crazycanadian7223 Those sizes are considered somewhat obsolete these days which is why Eneloop doesn't sell those sizes, but there are adapters for C and D sizes if you need them. The simplest ones are the 1-cell spacers that Eneloop and other brands have available but I prefer to use multi-cell adapters where I can place up to 3 AA cells in parallel for more capacity. However, you will only ever find them sold in the style of no-brand-name-cheap-chinese-electronics. I don't mind since they're just dumb adapters anyways.
@IncertusetNescio
@IncertusetNescio 2 жыл бұрын
@@crazycanadian7223 Sadly no. Only AA and AAA. Haven't gone and looked, mind you, but I haven't heard much of them at the larger sizes either. Turns out I don't have many cases for larger NiMH batteries.
@iwalker3809
@iwalker3809 2 жыл бұрын
@@crazycanadian7223 I picked up some Ansmann C sized cells a year or so ago for my sisters door bell sounder thing. They tested in excess of the 4500mAh rated capacity in my MAHA C9000 and have been fine since being in service. She's only got a AA charger so I top them up every few months for her.Not sure how they would fare in a higher drain device like a Maglite. Looks like they also do a 'proper' D cell at 8500mAh cap
@MartysRandomStuff
@MartysRandomStuff 2 жыл бұрын
I had not heard of the low self discharge NiMH batteries, just ordered a pack of them and will see how they last in things like remotes and clocks that used to be a pain because of having to recharge them every month or 2 with the older type NiMH cells I have for camera flashes and other high current devices. The Tenergy Centura seem to be reviewed about equal to Eneloops so I'll be trying those out. Also why am I not surprised the leaky ones were Duracell, I gave up on that brand many years ago and switched to Energizer, haven't had a leak since I switched. But the holding company that owns Duracell seems to be buying up all the other battery brands out there so won't be long until they all suck.
@robbieaussievic
@robbieaussievic 2 жыл бұрын
.... You won't look back, the only non rechargeable batteries in my house are in smoke detectors. Have'nt seen a leaking battery for two decades.
@mydnite11
@mydnite11 2 жыл бұрын
Great video. I oftened wondered why we are still using alkalines as I have had many leak and used to think it was just the cheap brands. I got rid of my rechargable NIMH batteries for the discharge reason when I moved countries in 2013 but now I'm back in Australia I might look into them again. Thanks.
@DanielleWhite
@DanielleWhite 2 жыл бұрын
Camera flashes is one use where there is a performance difference but only in an edge case of quickly repeatedly firing the flash at higher power levels. The impact is how quickly the flash can recycle and be ready to fire again. In a move to address this, Nikon made an optional battery door for their SB 800 which allowed using 5 NiMH batteries to achieve the recycle times of 4 alkaline
@volodumurkalunyak4651
@volodumurkalunyak4651 2 жыл бұрын
So called "1.5V alkaline batteries" will have LOWER voltage than 1.2V Ni-Mh when fast discharged. Just 1A of load and "alkalines are 0.3V higher than Ni-Mh" is demonstrably wrong. Single use batteries do have ESR (internal resistance) a lot higher than rechargeables and dip down below level that rechargeables dip. What Nikon did is a disgrace for those poor users with alkalines.
@shaunsiz.itsbetterbytube2858
@shaunsiz.itsbetterbytube2858 2 жыл бұрын
Leak o matics duracell
@kevtris
@kevtris 2 жыл бұрын
it seems alkalines have gotten terrible in the last 10-15 years. I think it's them reformulating the chemicals to make them more green, and I suspect the mercury that used to be included did some kind of hydrogen adsorption. Without that, now the hydrogen can build up and cause them to leak. The cost of NiMh is a bit higher than alkalines, but it isn't as much of a difference as it used to be, and tends to be a lot less than the cost of replacing a device that gets destroyed by leaking alkalines. I have tried to move everything to nimh also for this reason.
@Redact63Lluks
@Redact63Lluks 2 жыл бұрын
I remember having regular batts in devices that used little power for 5-6 years no problem. Now I don't even leave those alkali batts in anything without checking them annually.
@snigwithasword1284
@snigwithasword1284 2 жыл бұрын
I don't doubt your experience but I would never assume a manufacturer is switching to "more green" formulation unless there's a law and inspectors you can point to. Unfortunately capitalism actively encourages 'penny wise pound foolish' behavior like putting poop batteries in expensive gear.
@Redact63Lluks
@Redact63Lluks 2 жыл бұрын
@@snigwithasword1284 yeah don't you know capitalist consumers just love to find a product they've used forever just sucks now and still use it... Your ideology falls on its face every chance it gets doesn't it.
@firesurfer
@firesurfer 2 жыл бұрын
I've had excellent luck with Kirkland (Costco) batteries. Never had one leak. Average price is $14 per 48.
@cameron20020
@cameron20020 2 жыл бұрын
Don't see the need for single use cells anymore except for niche applications. Feel like they should be outlawed for most use cases. Replaceable rechargeables should be the way forward, seeing as loads of products could just use protected 18650s.
@milesfinch
@milesfinch 2 жыл бұрын
Thank you Clive for saving my baby UNI-T. After watching this video i went and checked my UNI-T and guess what!! A quick job with the cotton buds and white vinegar, and we are back in action.
@ggj666
@ggj666 2 жыл бұрын
I could not agree more, old TV remotes, and portable radios, I find are great for this, you finally get around to changing the batteries and its covered all the in sides of the battery compartment and the contacts. The worse batteries I find for this are the cheap pound shop ones, like that Kodak one you had. I have to say I now try and use rechargeable batteries when ever I can.
@1crazypj
@1crazypj 2 жыл бұрын
Personally I gave up on 'expensive' alkaline batteries several years ago as I found Duracell and Ever Ready far more prone to leakage than cheap 'chain store / Made in China' batteries. OK, so the cheap batteries don't last for years but, they don't leak either in a 1~2 year timespan. It's far less inconvenient to change a battery than change a meter, particularly when you find the battery contacts were only 'corrosion resistant' and not a stainless steel The cheap yellow Chinese meter you used in many early video's had batteries that lasted about a year of almost daily use which for a $5.00 meter was fine with me
@Javadamutt
@Javadamutt 2 жыл бұрын
I’ve found more problems with devices using NI-MH AAA batteries than AA batteries especially childrens toys. Many devices seem to take AAA batteries when they should really be using AA batteries as they simply don’t last with the smaller cell. I’ve also noticed a heavy switch to li-ion in devices that really should use AA/AAA batteries, some wireless overear headphones, torches and even electric toothbrushes. Many devices I would argue Li-Ion is overkill for and reduces the life. I still have my MP3 player from the mid 00’s that uses AAA while the one with the built in li-ion is long dead
@specialopsdave
@specialopsdave 2 жыл бұрын
The solution is disposable lithium batteries, I think Energizer is the only one who makes them. They last twice as long as alkaline, have over twice the peak current output, have twice the listed shelf life (4 times in reality, since alkalines only last half their listed shelf life), and they cannot, and do not, leak. The only caveat is that they're twice as expensive.
@Javadamutt
@Javadamutt 2 жыл бұрын
@@specialopsdaveThat’s the point. There has been a shift to lithium based batteries when there is a perfectly acceptable technology in the form of NiMH in many cases. In the few occasions NiMH doesn’t suffice Disposable alkaline is fine to fall back on even if not the perfect solution. Disposable Lithium is an alarming proposition as Li based batteries should be rechargeable and the thought of throwing away materials that are currently in short supply based on current demand and increasing supply has huge impacts that should not be a practice that is done.
@specialopsdave
@specialopsdave 2 жыл бұрын
@@Javadamutt Just so you know, batteries are recyclable. Easily so. If you think it's too much work and you can accept batteries with 1/3 capacity, you do you. I'm going to just save up my used batteries for 5 years then recycle them next time I go to my Batteries+Bulbs store. Of course, the more ideal solution is to wait for aluminum-air batteries to take the place of alkalines.
@Javadamutt
@Javadamutt 2 жыл бұрын
@@specialopsdave Can you read everything please and try to understand it before replying. 1. You said dispose in your first post...that is not recycling 2. I specifically said many things are using lithium ion that doesn't need it. Here's an example....a pair of bluetooth headphones I own. They last 20 hours with 2 AAA batteries. Again no need for Li-ion as I always carry spare batteries, weight isn't an issue and when the battery stops holding charge I can replace it. I don't need 60 hours charge and if I did I can carry a spare battery in the headphone case. Another example is children's toys. My daughter outgrew a musical bear she had and it was passed on to friends who's child also outgrew it. It was still on its original alkaline AAA batteries. I did swap NiMH into it but it wouldn't even power on. Do you propose Li-ion for a childs toy because many are starting to come with them and it's completely overkill and actually more inconvenient to recharge them never mind your child wanting to play with something you simply can't swap the battery out. I don't understand why you need to wait 5 years to recycle batteries either. Our recycling bin collection takes all batteries, even supermarkets and recycling centres. I don't understand why it takes you 5 years to recycle batteries. Local recycling collection, recycling centres, supermarkets and even some online stored all recycle all batteries here. Once the battery is dead an no use its recycled in a matter of days.
@specialopsdave
@specialopsdave 2 жыл бұрын
@@Javadamutt Can you read everything please, and try to understand it before replying? The reason I would wait 5 years is because that's how long it would take to fill a grocery bag of dead batteries, and I'm lazy. And I never said lithium *ION*, I said lithium *DISPOSABLES*, which are Li-MH. They are the EXACT SAME FORM FACTOR as alkalines and you CAN simply swap the battery out.
@jacobras
@jacobras 2 жыл бұрын
Glad you shared this. I've been replacing alkaline batteries with rechargeable ones over the last year for pretty much everything except things like clocks. There's one issue I recently found with NiMh batteries: the slightly lower voltages makes them unsuitable for Christmas LED lights. They appear very dim and after only a few days seem to be flat while they aren't. Had to use alkaline batteries in those to make them shine properly!
@user-gx6jb6wc5g
@user-gx6jb6wc5g 2 жыл бұрын
The three cell battery packs work better for LED lights.
@totallyfrozen
@totallyfrozen 2 жыл бұрын
This is why I’ve tried to keep the habit of removing the batteries from electronics when I’m not using them, then putting batteries in them when I need to use them. It’s a bit of a pain.
@snorman1951
@snorman1951 2 жыл бұрын
I'm old enough to remember what alkaline batteries replaced. It was a significant improvement at the time, but their time has passed it seems. A person is foolish for using them in anything critical like a prepper radio or flashlight for instance or an expensive meter. A much better option is the Everready Lithium cells. Very long shelf life and higher capacity with little chance of leakage makes them a much better choice. The only drawback at this time is price. As technology advances, we will likely find better and cheaper cells.
@kilwala2242
@kilwala2242 2 жыл бұрын
I concur. Put Energizer Ultimate Lithium batteries in your expensive meters.
@Tri_Nitro
@Tri_Nitro 2 жыл бұрын
I've had similar adventures with alkaline batteries in my cheap pocket multimeter: DVM810. I also hated how fast it burned through batteries too, on top of that 12V 23A battery is rather pricey. One day I was so fed up with it that I drilled a hole in the bottom of the meter, wired an XT30 to the outside and repurposed an old Ni-MH 7S battery pack to use with the multimeter (8S would've been nicer, but I was using them for something else). The only issue is that the pack is a tad bigger than the meter itself, but I don't mind: still better than a battery tray.
@damionlee7658
@damionlee7658 2 жыл бұрын
Wholehearted agree. I recently had to clean out an electric clock because the recently inserted (I think it was August or September) Duracell Ultra Power (with leakage protection) AA cell that was powering it, with a "Best Before" date of March 2025, had decided to vomit up its stomach contents. Honestly, I had only put that cell in the clock because I'm trying to use up the spare alkaline cells I have so I can get rid of them. But it does make me question, whether it better to just send them to be recycled without using them (I don't like wasting), or use them but risk having more leakage issues.
@Dreoni_
@Dreoni_ 2 жыл бұрын
Recently went to Ikea and grabbed a ton of their rechargeable batteries, they work like a charm
@Setsuna_Kyoura
@Setsuna_Kyoura 2 жыл бұрын
The biggest problem with rechargable cells is the lack of low discharge protection in battery driven devices. They are all designed to squeeze even the last bit out of the battery and NiMh cells dont like that. Especially in low power devices... The battery can sit for long times at very low charge wich destroys the cell over time. And the worst part is, you dont even realize it, because there is still enough voltage to run the device.
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