What are you waiting for?! =D

like what?

@@TheAshenHollow for you to make Lore videos on the painting room in Irythyll :)

@@jacobhoover1654 So what does that mean? Smough was defending Gwynevere but aldritch gobbled 'em both up?

@@jacobhoover1654 But why is smough there like 10,000 years later? Didn't we kill him, and even if it's just his stuff why's it there?

yes indeed

Id argue that it was a good starting point, but ds3 is the worse offender of vague bs they never explain. Aldritchs deep sea vision, firelink shrine 2 after ocerios, the profaned flame, v interesting points, but from puts 0 effort in tying the loose ends.

@@jacobhoover1654 thats opening the bible, tearing out 4 lines at random, and then expecting to know what that chapter was about. I have yet to see ANYONE understand it. The game has always had vague mysteries, and there is nothing inherently wrong with being so indirect with context, but without it im like who gives af about the deep, profaned flame, untended graves, age of sea, or angelic faith because none of those things affect me, lets just enjoy this smooth ass combat in a beautiful environment. It was charming with the abyss being some unverified monstrosity, but i never felt the other games had THIS many loose threads on aspects that seem to be of importance

@@skaterdude7277 Everything in all Dark Souls is vague... There's no proof Gwyndolin was born before Gwyn left to rekindle the flame There's also no proof he didn't Yet most people agree he did despite no description in the game actually even alluring to that We also don't know who Priscilla's mother is Some say Gwynevere cuz of a statue placement, others say Velka cuz you find Velka's set in Ariamis and there's a bunch of crow demons And well, DS2's map design alone provoques millions of questions

@@HankJ666 only because ds2 has bad maps. But not knowing the chronology of gwyneveres birth sn't the same. You go into the cathedral of the deep. Well whats the deep? *shrugs in item description* You rarely misunderstood where you were in deS and ds1. I just think the inconsistencies of the souls lore is that it was never a priority in the first place, miyazaki is on record for saying his inspiration was western adventure novels where you didnt have all the answers. Further, i think the story was only meant for 1 game. Thats why ds1 is so nicely packed. Heres peasant town in varying degrees, heres where the gods live. This one is a skeleton and lives below the graveyard, this one is a witch that fucked up everything and made a demon machine (ergo buncha demons), heres where a nerd dragon studies, heres where people let in the abyss and fucked themselves. And all my previously mentioned ds3 questions are not, IMO inconsequential like how a convenient started or exactly when an event happened. The deep sea vision is aldritches motive, the 2nd firelink has you pick up alt game ending items,

I take the crown to indicate he isn't spiritual leader like his title might indicate. He's like Caesar having crossed some abyssal Rubicon to usurp power.

The fact all of his attributes are associated with Dark and the crown makes me thing of a wrong way to become "lord of the dark".

I know it's pretty randomly asking but does anybody know of a good place to watch newly released movies online?

@Adrian Mario flixportal :)

@Zayd Malcolm thank you, I went there and it seems like a nice service :D Appreciate it !!

More links to DS2 certainly would’ve been cool however, with how blatantly self referential and fan service driven DS3 is already it might’ve been a bit much.

@@ThumbShovem its fan service for a reason, not just for the sake of being fan service. They wanted to show that everything that has happened will happen again, maybe differently but still it will happen. Like the npc's for example are all similiar to previous npcs like they are their reincarnations or alternate universe versions of them. And since ds3 was the last game they had to come full circle.

Earthen Peak is in the DLC, Gilligan is in PC. DS3 fanboys are the most maladjusted weirdos about not liking DS2.

I can't believe the Furtive Pygmy profaned that flame

Not yet, but soon... maybe... ;)

Profaned Flame "Profane" is a synonym to "blashpemous" Blaspheme is sinful The Profaned Flame is a Flame of Sin Velka is the holder of the fifth Lord Soul: The Soul of Sin-der

@@PunkZombie1300 Dont you dare, to put that theory in a few words... Jake could make a 30min+ video about it^^

Thanks, dude! =] Yeah those Londor gals are an enigma for sure!

Haha, that makes me glad! =D

Thanks, dude! Means a lot you've noticed. That was definitely the turning point in which I decidedly started doing more to improve the quality of my videos! =D

#DS2LoreIsJustAsLegitAsDS1LoreGang

Thanks, buddy! =D

Thanks dude! Means a lot you've noticed! =D

That's certainly a good and relevant interpretation! That's the beauty of Dark Souls, nearly endless ideas! =D

i think he might be a crossbreed.

My theory is that Yhorm doesn't descend from the ds2 giants : those giants have a hole for a head while Yhorm's skull is extremely humanlike. This leads me to think that Yhorm is actually the descendant of High Lord Wolnir (since he's a conqueror) and that's maybe why Yhorm receives such a harsh treatment from the people he protects since Wolnir is really cruel.

@@sathlasdalaraynidridlendar6875 i think the giants in ds3 are just a different breed, there's more than Yhorm that we see throrought, but now that i think about it he has a different phisique, and also, isn't Lorian sort of close to that height Nevermind i don't know what i'm really saying

@user name What you're saying is correct but there's still one weird detail in ds3 : right next to firelink shrine on the right side, there is a tree where you get the seed of giants (a pvp item) and just like the name implies it comes from a giant (specifically one that is part of that tree) that looks exactly like the ones from ds2. My conclusion is that Lucca's second comment is a good take because the ds2 variant is still present in the game, which means that there may be multiple races of giants Edit : I just remembered that Judicator giants exist as well so maybe that gives Lucca's theory more credence.

The other bit weirdness is that Wolnir was originally the boss of the profaned capital, and it was changed to Yhorm just before launch. I wonder what may have been planned if Wolnir had been associated with Profaned Cap / Eleum Loyce instead of Carthus.

True! And makes more sense that fragments of Manus triggered the flame too!

I could say further that it reminds me of another guys theory that Darkstalker Kaathe may have had a hand in the profaned flames creation which might explain the abyss connection. Don’t know haven’t been able to remember who made that vid.

Just because we haven’t seen nor heard of any flames with abyss doesn’t mean it isn’t possible, it’s a theory so of course it’s not gonna make too much sense. So you don’t have to get mouthy.

The fact that you say what you did and say that I have to grow up is laughable due to it being a little self contradicting with a hint of self condescension. I wonder who really needs to grow up here, complaining about a low luster theory of all things.

have fun!

@@jacobhoover1654 Good point... I may be grasping at straws but all the bonfires are linked. Including the one at the Kiln. And humans for a long time were offering up humanity at the bonfires to keep from hollowing. Maybe the combo of human (dark) souls and Gwyns soul caused the profaned flame to have elements of the Abyss within it?

@@jacobhoover1654 Im pretty sure Yorm didnt link the flame until after the Profaned Flame erupted... I could be wrong let me double check on it. As far as the flame coming from the bonfires. It would make sense due to knowing so little about the bonfires and the power they obviously have stored in them. And it is profaned in nature it has no religious ties or related to faith in anyway.

Aldia?

@@music79075 other than that big head Boi, I mean, he hasn't created soul-hunting demons so he doesn't count.

While I agree that DS3 is predominantly a DS1 sequel, I would argue that it's possible that lands from DS2 could appear here, because of how the lands of past Lords of Cinder are converging around Lothric.

That's certainly an interesting way of looking at it! =O

@@TheAshenHollow Also, I think time itself was more warped in DS2 than in DS3. DS3 time began to warp as seen when the world around was almost folding in on itself while DS2, you access whole new areas with a whole different environment and time of day. The fire keepers are no longer needed since the flame was extinguished long ago. Now only the Emerald Herald exists to keep the Player going but she maybe immortal.

Yes. Any being with red eyes, specifically humanoids have fallen to the abyss and as such take extra damage from weapons like Hollowslayer GS and the Farron UGS, and in the case of Yhorm, Windbreaker or whatever it's called.

Ladder Smith Gilligan from DS2 is dead in DS3. Earthen peak is in ruins in DS3 as well

If this were the case wouldn't the ivory king also oppose?

Maybe he was fighting by his side when he hadn't betrayed his father and sided with the dragons yet. Since he was called the God of war and not the nameless king.

I don't think so. I also don't think Wolnir is actually as big as we witness him!

​@@TheAshenHollow Yeah, even by giant standards, Wolnir is suspiciously large. His crown fits him, despite being made of 3 other crowns. Meaning, either its inflated in size by the space magic we fight him in or he killed some extremely large kings in his day

I've been struggling with DS lore coz I've canonized, decanonized and canonized DS2 a number of times now. I dont even know whats real anymore

@@MediocreSix lol i basically know nothing of ds2 im stuck on ds1 and ds3 lore rn i played through ds3 and thought i understood a lot but then started watching lore videos while playing through ds1 i now know i knew nothing but i do know a bit more now thankfully its just piecing shit etc i probably know 1/6th lore of ds1 and ds3

Nah, i think DS2 giants are a different species with the same name. They are completely different in anatomy and also death. There is a pretty big difference between becoming a tree and rotting away like DS1/3 giants do. Also a huge hole on your face is enough of a difference for me.

I was thinking about that. How many historical figures have been referenced or known as the god of something

Lightning is literally a crystalized form of light in the series. Its alread a corruption of it

@@Orthanderis interesting thought, that means gwyn was corrupted when seath taught him lightning. The whole age of fire was born of corruption.

@@ripperman25 seems about right to be honest, the war was only won thanks to lightning, Seath was obsessed with crystal research and eventually crystalized magic, and lightning is crystalized light. On top of that crystal was a substitute for the everlasting scales he lacked. The real question is thus; did Seath discover how to create lightning and give it to Gwyn, thus earning his dukedom and the grand archives? Because if thats the case then the age of fire was indeed born out of the corruption of natural elements, because without utilizing that corruption the everlasting dragons would never have been genocided. That reaffirms that the Abyss is the natural order of the world and the light souls of the first flame are corrosive to it, not vice versa. So lets say Gwyn had no problem corrupting the natural elements to serve his purposes, but realized he couldnt control or corrupt the dark; the deep and the abyss are both human induced corruptions after all, and humans can only recreate miracles due to reading the stories of the gods who created them. Kind of explains why he feared humanity so much he branded them with a ring of fire to keep them out of the dark; he realized he destroyed the natural order of the world and it was quickly returning to equilibrium, he was terrified of the monsters he created in the dark he couldnt control and realized humanity, who he had subjugated and done everything in his power to steal their godhood, would continue as they are while him and his people couldn't survive without the source of their power. That explains why he used humans to link the first flame; he linked it to humanity, to the dark soul, the only being that could actually survive in both the dark and the light, ensuring that even if the flame faded it would return. Tldr; Seath corrupted life by crystalizing magic and light, stripping and granting eternal life respectively outside the natural order. Izalith corrupted life and made chaos, which spawned demons, a wholy unnatural race that exists seperate from both the dark and the first flame. Nito corrupted life when he brought people back from death, granting them a false life outside the natural order. Gwyn corrupted life when he branded humanity with the undead curse, which only comes about as the fire wanes; Gwyn, in essence, corrupted life by forcing it onto humanity, giving them a mortal life seperate from the immortality of the dark, and linking them forever to the first flame, inadvertantly dooming them to a state of eternally being stuck between life and death until the flame goes out, and forcing the dark soul to act as kindling in order to keep the age of fire going.

having played it with an open mind. The bad rep is well deserved as most the GOOD lore happens during new game + and after getting an item and exploring. That is a lot to slog through, and a lot of the game was not that fun, more so to play co-op. The first play through doesn't show case much lore outside "member this from dark souls" . If the new game+ big boss souls were in the first play through , and some of the design choices more fluid, It would have been better. example: it should take a new game plus play through to realize you fought the witch Izilythe (sp)

oof

It definitely feels like that sometimes! xD

Time is fucky in darksouls

This is not the same prince, one of the two demons became a new prince after uniting with the other, that is why it has a different special move based on the surviving demon.

Dark Souls 2 is 1000% canon.

@@TheAshenHollow I know its cannon just after hundreds of hours on trying to figure out the complete story and where it fits, I'm still lost😭😭😂😂🤦‍♂️

Sometimes I swear I'm just a wee bit dense

Have you started dark souls 4?! You would know more than the makers and I don’t think they are making anymore lol

Almost certainly, haha! =D

Luck you are not south american

No...? Not even slightly..

Well we do do a lot of writing for the game, whether that's cleverly intended by them or not, I wouldn't have it any other way. What other games can you go into this kind of theory crafting depth with? =D

@@TheAshenHollow Oh it's not like I think it's a bad thing: it's an incredible rush to have things click together in a big way. Here's a few just so there aren't in my head alone 1. The Hollow Lord symbol is from Boletaria, it's on the banners 2. Gwyn's light unbolt in DS1 is a branch of a tree 3. The goo in Sen's fortress is humanity ground out of Men by the trial 4. The Egg iconography is featured in DS1 on Berenike night's shield, also with four wings like a dragon sprouting from it. One guards Velka's shrine in the Undead Parish. 5. Blood moon in DS2 intro opens the abyssal-time-dream whirl-pool. You're awoken by a bell-ringing maiden to act like a red-phantom on her behalf, into a dream realm above and unattached to the rest but mimicking a specific place. I don't think you can separate all of the games lore, even if the creators are legally obligated to. Every game makes more sense when you introduce another one: even Sekiro has breadcrumbs that explain why many particle effects dealing with the "curse" are Sakura leaves. I just realized how long that comment already is. I've got a lot more if you'll entertain the premise they aren't entirely separate but legally separate because of corporate obligations.