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You forgot one ending that’s still in the game. You have the light side ending, the dark side ending, and the secret ending wherein revan uses his mastery of the force to turn Malak into a Dancing twi’lek girl and proceeds to dance with her.

I've played a mod that restored this cut content. There's actually multiple choices here. * One had Revan killing Carth. * Revan orders Bastila to kill Carth. * Bastila kills Carth when Revan hesitates. * And the option you showed here.

Brings to mind Jolee's words about love redeeming.

4:03 I don't know, Bastila seems to be on board with the plan of killing her, given how she keeps chopping her own head off with her lightsaber.

Should've been kept in. Seeing as there is only ONE cannon ending and the others are legends, what does it matter if there is a jack knife ending like that? It's still an interesting ending that follows the "tell your own story" concept.

Super secret 4th ending - the HK-47 romance.

I would be so happy if the remake included this ending. As you said, it would bring something more to the player's and Carth's romance. I agree that his and Juhani's romance should be expanded. Bastila is such an integral part of the story even without romancing her but Carth stays in the sidelines even if you choose to romance him imo. And you hardly had a romance option for Juhani...... It would be super cool if the female Revan could have a proper ending with Juhani.

Also, development for Kotor 2 already started before the release of Kotor 1, so it can be that Obsidian asked Bioware to not kill off Revan. The removal of this ending makes sense, though I agree that it is an interesting scene. Luckily, there are mods that allow to have it in the game.

Seeing how Raven was characterized in later instalments and lore it's kinda glaring that Kotor didn't have a neutral ending imo. I hope the remake adds more endings ranging from a pure light, several shades of light into neutral into dark and a pure dark ending.

This is why KOTOR is so SO good and lasts, Drew Kryp and his writing team spend so damn long writing every possible thing you’d reasonably consider and allows you to truly make the adventure your own. Great video as always, love the thumbnail.

>have no time to get off the star forge >ebon hawk is right behind them during the many minutes they spend talking

Since the pre-production for Kotor 2 started before the release of the first game, one can understand why this ending was cut. If Revan dies then a chunk of the sequel's lore gets derrailed almost completly, specially Canderous whos mission to restore the Mandalorians revolves around the events right after Kotor 1. However if instead they left the ending in as a "make your own story" arc, that would annihilate completly everyone who choose it, and I'm damn sure those people would still to this day ask Obsidian for the lore implementation of such ending into Kotor 2. That said... I do like that ending, specially it's relation to what Jolee told about love and it's missconceptions on the eyes of the Jedi Enclave, not to mention is a tragic finale, Carth's "everything will be over soon" as both await death at the top of the Rakata technological terror is a scene for the history books.

I love KotOR for many things, and in them, for one especially, the consistency of the story. Your choices matters, your choices are shaping countries, planets, and even galaxy itself. In that aspect KotOR is almost one of a kind, and truly unique.

The guy that made the philosophy of Kreia video made one on Jolee and the inability for Carth to save you is essential to make it work, so it's interesting to see that there was in fact an alternative ending for it. It might actually be the video you mentioned about 6 mins in

I don't really see it as selfish love, I see it as love making Revan see her faults, and that power doesn't really matter if you don't have love.

Carth is the epitome of “its ok, i can fix you 🥺🤞🤞🤞🤞🤞🤞”

It'd be interesting to see how much of the cut content the remake will touch upon if at all. Maybe introduce more endings. More side quests are a safe bet. (Personally still hoping for a Kotor 2 remake after the kotor 1 remake). I am also interested in what some of the earlier story ideas of kotor 1 were, how some characters differed in their concept stage compared to the final product (HK originally being a mute assassin instead of the talaktive meatbag hating droid that we know and love).

I played this on my first playthrough of Kotor1 with the restoration mod and it stuck with me until this day, what a wonderfully tragic and cathartic way to end the dark side path.

I think it would've been a cool idea to have kept it in. Imagine if they would've done what they did with the Witcher games and the sequel game can detect save data, and the choices you made in kotor 1 affects some story elements in kotor 2. Also I like the mod with a Dark Side ending where you Force "persuade" Carth to join you after you've killed Malak.

first. i am stil wating for kotor 3 tho

I like the ending where Carth just says fuck it and turn dark with Female Revan and Bastila, funny asf

This ending could have been removed for KOTOR 2 story to make sense with this ending. Kotor 2 story works with both dark and light side ending in kotor 1. But neutral option would be harder to adapt without Revan in story. Also, personally i want a neutral ending with Revan surviving, (grey jedi ending). Ex. Balancing both dark and light side of force, dark side enough to kill Malak, Light enough to destroy star forge.

Totally knew about it and it was an early discovery by modders who put it back in the game. (All you need to do is remove one bugged line of code in a dialogue file) I will also say that Raphael Sbarge earned every cent of that paycheck because he sold the whole thing on just his voice acting. For a time, it was a favored AU scenario for fanfic/fanart on kotorfanmedia (seriously, if you want to know much of anything about kotor fanfic, I will totally infodump. I also know a bit about modding history) I think I also recall David Gaider (Bioware writer and the guy who wrote the dialogue files for Carth and Bastila) saying it would have been his preferred ending, but that the lack of sequel potential was why it got vetoed. Gaider being one of the head writers on Dragon Age...well, this kind of ending totally fits with the Dragon Age "every option is a bad one" running theme. It certainly would be an *unusual* ending as far as Star Wars goes because it rejects the binary and it isn't the whole agape ideal, but also very fitting with Star Wars because Star Wars is all over how the small, personal dramas can have galaxy-spanning consequences.

I honestly hope in the remake they include new endings, maybe even one where Revan still loves Carth but knowing she can't have him maybe enslaves him or makes a clone that is made to love her, probably won't happen but would be cool.

I remember seeing this years ago and thinking oh yeah that's neat, hopefully the remake will include some more cut content like this!

It would be cool to have a mass effect style of old republic game, where each decision we make impacts the story in some way. It would make it feel like our actions in the game had more consequences, particularly if we choose the dark side path.

nice video, thanks for the info

I would change this ending a little, since the Eben Hawk is right there I would have had Carth convince Reven that the Path she is on will only lead to death, hers included, and that Bastila has to die. You kill her and jump on the Eben Hawk, and Carth makes a jump to somewhere they can hide from everyone, convincing you to abandon the force entirely so you can both live out our lives in peace together. This would make it the true romance ending and tie into the fact you start KoToR II disconnected from the force, and keeps Carth alive.

What a cool video thank you for it 😃

lol, I remember back in my KoTOR modding days coming across the files for this ending and re-enabling it.

The best ending is where you turn Malak into a Twi’lek dancer.

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Ooh, heard of this a long time back, but honestly interesting. Yep, here's hoping it gets restored in the remake, regardless of whether or not it'll be in the game's story proper or bonus content. (Canon be damned, too! Multiverse Theory for life!) Edit: How kind of the Republic to send a rescue force for Carth in this ending though. Addendum: Really hate sequels that streamline their predecessors' branches, if not cut them outright (something the Baldur's Gate: Bhaalspawn Saga, the Witcher trilogy, and the Mass Effect trilogy succeed on via the old save bonus, and where the Fallout games, the Dishonored duology, the Fable games, and, in a lesser degree, the Hitman games fail on).

How did you get the exact replica of Darth Revan's robes? When I get them they're missing the cape and mask and a couple other accessories.

Love the video. Where did you get the armor for Carth? the one with blue higlights?

I think I saw this from a video once. And another "neutral" ending but for the male Revan. Although I'm pretty sure that was completely mod created and the uploader was trying to make people believe it was real. Although It's kind of messed up that they don't even try to escape. I think Canderous survives on the beach, so I guess they're content with him going down too.

That dancing tweilek ending.

Very well made points about that ending that made me think and put together why I've always been disappointed with the FemRevan ending. I am hoping that they expand on some of the character arcs and allow more growth of the KOTOR l story as, to be honest, it was a great story when it came out but could be just so much more now if they allowed the game to expand more on the character arcs. Even if it was just the character arcs.

I remember seeing this ending on youtube at one point.

Honestly kotor1 is amazing. I especially loved the cutscenes where it breaks from the usual character animation. Why we didn't get that in kotor2 is beyond me but I wish we had it

I love it. I always hated what happened to Carth in the dark side ending, and I hope they reinstate it

I have a strange memory of getting this ending.

Carth always bothered me when you do the dark side. Having sworn to defeat the Sith and save the Republic, he looks at Mission and the rest and says "see ya!" and runs off to never be seen again.

I would love to see a redemption root for dark side players in the remake, even if they don't add back this cut ending. One thing I used to imagine back when I used to play the game way, way back in my childhood, was the possibility to turn Dark, and later redeem myself in an important moment due to companions persuading me to turn back to the light side. Maybe they can add slight ending tweaks or alternative endings (None cannon) into the mix for those who want to stay grey and add even more replayablity. I know Star Wars has always been primarily a binary Light vs Dark story, everything is almost Black and White as what is good and what is bad, but Kotor 2 is a good example of the grey side of things could work in Star Wars. Don't know about anyone else, but having a grey root, and redemption root in the story sounds awesome to me.

Oh jeez, for a second I thought you were gonna talk about Twi'lek Malak.

huh i actually remember this ending in my many play throughs as a teenager on the original xbox

Interesting. I had never heard of this ending. One issue might also be, the Ebon Hawk is parked behind them in that ending, and so would also be destroyed if it was there with them when the station was destroyed.

I'm curious. What graphics mod(s) are you using?

This ending is very interesting and I would love to see it in the remake. Carth was always my favorite character and I would die with him.

Wasnt there a cut out ending where you redeem Malak and he jumps to hyperspace just before the Star Forge is destroyed? Or was it a mod?

Not very often you see a KOTOR video. I was greatly pleased with learning something I never knew 🙃

Not sure If it was a mod but I remember the option of having Carth and bastilla in the end stand with darth revan on the darkside ending.

I thought this was going to be about the dancing ending. Pretty interesting

Good point with your argument about that particular endings and the fact that it should still be a part of the game. However I wanted to take it one step further.. been thinking for a long time they should do a complete reboot of both the first and second Kotor. And regardless of what gender character you choose beginning of the game; whether you choose male or female white or black or something in between there should be other options as well you should be able to choose different alien races as your primary player character it literally be able to choose any one of your crew members or companions regardless of their gender or species as the romantic interest. Like for example if you wanted to choose a female revan that's human have a romantic relationship with a twi'lek female. Or Johanni the Cathar female with the Russian accent. Or a male-male, let's say you choose a Devaronian or a Zabrack or a Twi'lek or a Wookie for that matter. As your lead male character choose one is the male crew members or companions as a romantic partner. If we're going to be all inclusive then let's be all inclusive. I think they limit the game a whole lot. Video game technology, for graphics and gameplay OS storylines have come a long way since the first Kotor was made. We live in a more progressive society than what we did then and the technology that we have is significantly more advanced than what we had then. They could reboot both the first and second games and make them so much better than the originals. Even adding additional abilities or dialogue options. And because it's based on a storyline iconic among Star wars fans and gamers alike like that would be very very popular in the company who makes it would make probably 4 or 5 times more than they did from the first two. So from this perspective there's really not a good enough reason to NOT create the reboot of each one. WEIGHING THE PROS AND THE CONS. There's no adequate argument against rebooting both games.

I've always been upset with the two extremes of light and dark. I feel that what Jolee says is quite accurate but it also depends on the individual. I hate how the Jedi always say "balance" but still try to vanquish the dark. Isn't balance an equal amount of good and bad. Jedi Academy touched on this with Kyle Katarn saying that powers are not good or bad, it's how you use them. Clearly I am not the only person who feels this way and so would love to have some more force neutral choices and consequences for Kotor and many more games.

I'm not sure if this was just a mod, but I'm pretty sure that there was a fourth (similar to this) potential ending in which there was a proper neutral pathway. It could've involved the player and Bastila simply walking away from The Sith and The Republic once Malak had been dealt with. As I say, it may have been just a mod, but that would've been pretty cool, too, regardless if the player had romanced Bastila/ Carth or not (YES I DID WATCH THE VIDEO XD).

Didn't Darth Vader turn back to the light right at the end. I know it is a little different but that's what it reminded me of.

This kind of ending sounds a lot like the one in Rogue one where they had love but it didn’t save them from death in the end so I think in many ways this ending is totally Star Wars

Wait, the third ending I found was one where I brought Malak back to the light side, is this a 4th ending? :O

Ah, zalbar killing mission. Sweet evert time.

I'm assuming it all has to do with battle meditation. Light or dark, Bastilla uses it to turn the tide. If you're dark side, then it was already to late for the republic to turn it around. She wasn't using it in that moment anyway so it affects nothing if she lives or dies.

I’ve never gotten the ending with Carth waiting for you in the hangar after defeating Malak. Is that a mod only ending?

Hi. If they added this subversive layer in a remake, they'd have to address other fortified ideas as well, to the point it would feel either kinda patch work-esque, or different. I guess it could work. 🤷 To me, K1 lacked some of the nuance of K2, but that's fine to me. Sometimes the archetypal story is good as a foundation to build more complex sequals on top. 👍 I'm trying to remember why K1 worked. That game had one major subversive plot point that blew my socks off. I still remember that experience, I was with my bestfriend. Our jaws fell to the floor. I think it worked because I never anticipated it. I bet that was what Return of the Jedi felt like when it aired on cinema. I'm not sure about it either way, but thank you for bringing it to light. :)

This is a neat ending from a story POV, especially looking in as a member of the audience rather than the player, but I do wonder if it was taken out because Bioware didn't think people would actually choose it. This is mostly applicable to first-time players, rather than repeat players, but if somebody goes through the puppy-kicking requirements to get to the Dark Side ending, I find it unlikely that most players would choose to go against all of that and snatch at some last minute redemption. Some certainly would, but I suspect they're in a pretty heavy minority. Of course, I imagine a lot more people would end up picking that ending in a subsequent playthrough, so if I'm right it means Bioware wasn't really thinking about repeat play, which would be a little short-sighted on their part. But I do wonder!

What robes are those at 2:50, please?

I love how they claim they don't have enough time to get away while I'm staring at the Ebon Hawk right behind them. 🙄

I've known about this ending for years. It's the only way I'll do a DS ending when playing as female. So thankful to JDNoa for the restoration mod. I agree that this ending was likely cut because it nukes any DS female Revan for K2. However, I could see it as an unlockable ending in K1's remake/remaster. Edit: I hadn't thought of the parallel of male PC redeeming Bastila through love and Carth redeeming female PC through love. Such a Star Wars thing.

0:15 Or rather, for 3 years, until Nihilis goes all Thanos mode on the Jedi. I wish we got to see the Jedi purge during that time. Just having entire enclaves disappearing off the map, entire councils wiped out in hours, with no traces left behind except corpses drained if the force, and left as husks. Thatd be awesome.

Kotor was the first game I was ever given as a gift. I have played it every which way you can. I never understood. I had just assumed the developers wanted you to kill Carth to cement you into "I am evil and must kill the man I love." Kind of how you can choose to kill Bastila for betraying you. Thank you for the answer to a question I didn't remember I had.

So they are in the hanger with the Ebon Hawk yet dont have time to board it and fly away?

I think their is also a third ending. There is a neutral ending where you can save Malak’s life

great hearing your voice

That kind of reminds me of the 6 pathways of the original Fable game.

I like the Darth ending with bastila by ur side and u controlling the starforge and a massive fleet

It is also easily forgotten that the Jedi way is not by any means the only force light side based code, and is often stated repeatedly to be inherently flawed. Love can be dark, and it can be good. Just as honor can be good and it can be dark. You can fight someone out of a desire to protect something you love and never tap into the dark side- unless you were fighting hatefully, channeling negative emotion through the force to destroy what is threatening what you love. Honor, if your honor is based in a sense of morality and trying to do what's right for what's rights sake, it is hard to see it stumbling down the dark. But if your honor is based in pride, and ego, it's easy to see where anger, and frustration can bleed in. Love is as you said a very grey emotion. It can inspire positive feelings, its just it's risk for the negative that Jedi avoid it. Overbearing attempts to self control instead of just having emotional restraint to begin with. Like bottling, instead of relieving pressure. It's why it's no wonder when a Jedi falls, they fall hard.

where does the background img come from ?

I managed a neutral ending once out of the dozen or more times I've played this game. Somehow, I made the right sequence of choices so that my light/dark alignment was square in the middle when I fought Malak on the Star Forge (can't remember how, though) and Malak's final speech mentioned something about Revan being neither light nor dark. I overwrote that save game and can't remember the exact dialogue after so long, but a 'neutral' ending does still exist in the base game.

Yeah heard about that ending many years ago, sadly it’s actually not just adding depth to KOTOR but starwars in general, fantastic touch in a almost perfect game I say

I once tried to do the light side story the fewest possible number of companions without falling to the dark side. Turns out, you can kind of be bad at your job. You can 1. kill Juhani, 2. leave Zaalbar on Kashyyk and just find the star map without running into his dad, 3. do the story on Tatooine without buying HK-47, and 4. Kill Bastilla before you fight Malak. Makes the light side's end cutscene a little different, because there's only like four companions with you. It's just you, Mission, Canderous, Jolee, and T3 lol. And Carth, forgot about him.

I love the cut ending but I also understand why it was cut. Though it's not like character death has stopped bioware since (Morrigan, Leliana, Flemeth). They could've just said something stupid like, "Somehow Revan returned."

It might have been the time in history that this game was released combined with the age that I was at the time, but I truly do believe that no game will ever feel like this game ever again.

It's an interesting choice. However, this ending kind of take away from Revan character and the Malak denouncement. At this point Revan has recovers her memory, and if she pick the dark side, it would likely indicate that she is more the ruthlessly decisive general that would do anything to bring a quick end to war than the good nature recovering amnesiac. If she switch again here it would make her a bit wishy washy and at the same time it would also take away from the weight Malak final thoughts. Malak laments about how Revan is given a 2nd chance and he wasn't. I guess he should thank the Force he is dark side and could not become a force ghost like Obi wan, he would be pretty mad to learn Revan got a 3rd chance, maybe upset enough to see finally see the wisdom in Kreia's belief that the Force should be killed :D BTW, I am not against adding the choice in the remake. There are ways to write it to avoid the above problem and it would provide a surprise for us who played the first game to death.

This Neutral cut ending you are referring to is actually pretty parallel to Return of the Jedi. Anakin during all his training as a Jedi, was cited and feared for his attachment, which was said to be his biggest flaw, and the reason he turned to the dark side, but it was also his greatest strength in the end and his love for his son is what drove him to toss the emperor down the shaft of the Death Star. Also, many people misinterpret the title as the Jedi as an order or Luke being now a full fledged Jedi and returning to finish the fight. This is incorrect, it is actually a reference to Anakin/Vader returning to the light BECAUSE of his love for Luke. As the All-Father has said; "Star Wars is about one character and one character ONLY, Anakin Skywalker". I always wondered if Star Wars at some point would basically adopt "The Last Airbender" motif, and say that "the chosen one" will be reborn time and time again when the galaxy needs to be rebalanced. Making Revan and Anakin reiterations of the same spirit.

I would of loved if this ending was in the game. Fingers crossed it's in the remake.

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I’m pretty sure there already is something of a third ending for KOTOR 1 that isn't possible to continue in KOTOR 2-the version of the Light Side ending where the player kills Bastila on the Star Forge. I don’t think it’s possible to pick dialogue options in KOTOR 2 that have Revan alive and Bastila dead, even though it is possible to end KOTOR 1 this way (if I recall correctly, which I might not). If so, then the “Revan dies on the Star Forge” ending, if it had been kept, would not be unique in being impossible to continue in KOTOR 2.

4:57 not ideology of lightside but THE JEDI. So a flawed one at best.

Cheers

Hope they do a save file system that can be transfers to the sequel, if they end up doing it.

I wanted this ending !

I wonder if it would it be possible if they change the fate of Revan & Carth by having them escape the star forge before it is destroyed. I mean they're standing in the hanger and the Ebon Hawk is right there. Or, at the very least give the player the option to leave, or to stay. Surely Carth could have contacted the Republic Fleet to warn them before they began their assault on the star forge, thus buying them some time.

Looks like they had plenty of time to run to the ebon hawk if they hadn't stuck around to talk and Carth prepped the ship while Bastilla was being put down.

They should have corrected this ending in a way that they both do not die but they take the Ebon Hawk and travel to the Unknown Regions.

There is the third ending where malak turns into twilek dancer

This is great! They really should have just left this in the game. Having more options to play with is always a good thing.

kzfaq.info/get/bejne/np-Aa6qYy9KclGw.html was the video you mentioned you forgot where it was from, which talked about the way love works in Star Wars

You can still save Bastila if you don’t romance her but I guess it could be argued as platonic love.

This is the first time I have heard of this ending, thanks. :) I assume it was cut because you die?

Maybe happened, or something: “LFL to Rogue One: We need to recut the film for the KotoR cut ending, as it most reflects the core thematic messaging central to Star Wars.”