I had to slander olimar this video to make up for him ranking highly in the last smash video

The fact that rainbow road hasn’t returned but venom has is a crime in itself

Rainbow Road and Pokéfloats being gone is still an international tragedy.

Something I never understood with Pictochat is why they didn't combine the drawings from 1 & 2 into a Pictochat X like with Flat Zone (they have the same layouts, but the drawing hazards are different between the 2)

I would say Poké Floats have several reasons to be cut. Firstly, it is not based on anything, which kinda hurts it. In fact, the whole floats thing was just added in the localisation, the Japanese name translates to "Pokémon Subspace". All the models are also ripped straight from Pokémon Stadium, so the only reason the stage exists is probably because some overworked intern dreamt up the image of reused assets drifting through the aether. The reuse also means that they would have to spend much more time on the remake, since standards for stage models have gone up, and standards for Pokémon models have gone down. Additionally. I don't think the developers look back very fondly upon the creation of the stage, viewing it as just another result of Melee's 13 month development. Pokéfloats rocks though and I'd love to see a spiritual successor appear EDIT: Perhaps Rainbow Road was also created through asset reuse, since the poor resolution of the 3DS would mask it? There are some differences, like removing ramps and making the road thicker, but they could easily have been made in like a day or two. If it was asset reuse, remaking it for Ultimate would take much longer than the time used to make the original.

7:35 I think they removed it because one of the pokémons (Squirtle) that were in the stage ended up becoming a fighter, but they could simply exchange it for Wartortle that uses almost the same model or simply any other pokémon

9:24 Gotta correct you on this, it’s actually Pictochat 2 with *different* features. While there are a few shared drawings between the two stages, they actually both mostly comprise of unique layouts that are exclusive to each version. That at least bumps it up to a C for me, though I think I’d prefer they give us a Pictochat X instead, with layouts from both like they did with the 2 Flat Zones. Edit: just checked to make sure I didn’t say something wrong, turns out they actually don’t share any layouts. Not only that, Pictochat 1 actually has 1 *more* layout than Pictochat 2 (not counting the background drawing in 2’s omega form). We’ve been gypped.

Pac-Land returning over Pac-Maze is the worst outcome

The one aspect that I wished was talked about regarding Sector Z is that it is the absolute largest stage in the game (large for Smash 64 standards). This really made it a unique experience to fight on and is the biggest difference between it and Corneria

I still can't believe Pac Maze didn't get in but Pac Land did. Like, between the awful autoscrolling MS Paint stage and the stage that's a reference to the thing that put Pac-Man on the map *and* was fun to play on, the choice should've been obvious.

The loss of Pac Maze is extremely tragic considering it’s something so intrinsically connected to Pac-Man

14:35 The reason the stage got cut is that it has dynamic rendering depending on where the characters are standing. Notice the floor "sinks in" where the characters stand. This wouldn't work in 8 player smash or stage morph without massive frame slowdowns. I think they should have just disabled that feature if the player count goes over 4 (or stage morph is on)

The wooly world stage was probably cut because of Yoshi's crafted world being worked on. Also, next "cut" thing should include unused things, as they were cut

I have a theory on why Pokefloats may not have returned. In melee Pokefloats was only included because they essentially ran out of time. We know the original concept for the second Pokemon stage was Sprout Tower. And since this stage is just slightly improved models from Pokemon Stadium (the N64 game), which would be easier to produce than making an entire level from scratch, I think it's easy to infer this was a last second addition. This desperate reuse of assets to make SOMETHING in the time limit also explains why it's so weird. I wonder if Sakurai had some distaste for the stage because of this. Only including it because it was the only one that could be made in time and disliking its weird rushed nature.

I disagree with your ranking on PictoChat. I think they should've gone the "Flat Zone X" route with the PictoChat stages. PictoChat was introduced in Brawl and got its sequel in Smash 4, so in my opinion, I think it would've been cool if they combined them into "PictoChat X" for Ultimate.

7:50 Serious props for including the Trophy Tussle stages! They always unjustly get omitted in discussions about Melee's stages. I love those and I have fond memories of using Action Replay back in the day just to goof around on them outside of Event Mode. 😀 9:27 Brawl actually had some really cool bonus stages that I'd love to see return - the versus stages from the Subspace Emissary. For starters - the Shadow Samus stage looks *so cool!* The Ridley and Bowser stages were also great. Additionally, the Great Maze clone fights all take place on the same stage but with 31 different platform placement variations (kinda like the Wii Fit Studio), and it would have been a great and unique stage to have had available to choose from, as it doesn't have walk-offs like WFS does. As Subspace has such a unique and ethereal aesthetic, it would have been so cool to see it recreated in HD. Unrelated to the Subspace stages though, I'd honestly love to see every instalment's Battlefield and Final Destination available in a future game. Melee's Battlefield and Final Destination are just so iconic, it would be so awesome to play on them in the next game!

0:52 Planet Zebes 1:44 Sector Z 2:37 Meta Crystal 3:20 Mushroom Kingdom 4:29 Mute City 5:37 Icicle Mountain 6:38 Pokéfloats 7:40 Flat Zone 7:48 Goomba, Enzai, And Majora’s Mask 8:27 Rumble Falls 9:05 Flat Zone 2 9:22 Pictochat 9:44 Rainbow Road 10:44 Pac-Maze 12:24 Jungle Hijinx 13:17 Pyro Sphere 13:48 Wooly World 14:45 Orbital Gate Assault 15:40 Miiverse Extra Time Stamps 2:23 The Last Wish For Meta Crystal 3:30 🤓 3:40 🤓😵 5:05 He’s Goin Over That Cliff! 6:54 Death Stare! 8:34 Annoying Orange?! 10:33 Rainbow Road Playlist 11:26 Pac-Maze Is Lost Media! 16:05 Oh No. 16:22 MR. BEAST!

14:46 Here’s a fun fact about this stage: If you choose this stage while pressing ZL or ZR while Fox and Falco *AREN’T* in the match, there would have a special Easter Egg with the Star Fox team. For some reasons, only Fox, Peppy, Falco and Slippy appear in the dialogues, which is very weird, because in the original mission, the Star Wolf Team and Krystal also help Fox and the others. Actually, there’s no Wolfen in the stage.

Oh, I have an idea for Battlefield Poké Float. It would be a front facing Venusaur, with his head acting as the main stage, the flower as the top platform, and two leaves as the side platforms, and the other Pokémon float in the background. Then for the omega variance you Just make the flower and leaves part of the background, and you're done

They probably cut out Pokéfloats because they couldn’t find a way to give it Battlefield and Omega versions, maybe they could have had Ditto platforms for those?

You actually forgot 2 stages: Mushroomy Kingdom’s 1-2 version, and the Black and White version of Dreamland GB

Me buying smash ultimate in 2019: "oh boy i cant wait to play on my favorite retro map from the 3ds, Rainbow Road!!"

The Ridley from Other M isn’t even the same Ridley from Super Metroid (his Smash design), it’s a clone. They could have absolutely had Pyrosphere .

The fact the rainbow road isn't in ultimate still confuses me, it would fit PERFECTLY also I'm glad I'm not the only one who is a fan of Meta Crystal (the metal mario stage)

I really liked Poke Floats, too. The various Pokemon floats added a unique aesthetic that set it apart from other sidescrolling stages.

Mute City & Rainbow Road I suspect got cut because they would have taken more work. They clearly put a lot of lavish attention into updating all the old stages, but I think traveling stages, one from a 3DS game and one from a Gamecube game, required more work over all. The slight touch ups that the Wii U provided stages like Port Town Aero Dive at least had slightly more to work up from. If Tour (or 8DX's DLC) had been out, which gave the course refreshed visuals and geometry, they probably would have brought Rainbow Road 3DS back at least

The fact that we could have gotten a Kirby's Epic Yarn stage and it was replaced by Wooly World, which didn't even make a return bothers me so much. The Kirby stage also became The Great Cave Offensive which lots of people hate

Well done covering these cut stages. I think you're right about the redundancy factor playing into why most of these stages didn't have a return. I think the best explanation for why PokeFloats (Pokemon Subspace) didn't make a return was it was just a lazily created stage. Models from N64 Pokemon Stadium floating around is just... not the most cohesive stage experience out there. Especially compared to what was supposed to be on that slot originally: Sprout Tower.

I genuinely love the MrBeast meme. It’s the first meme I’ve really enjoyed in years.

(1:30) There are so many other similar stages, so having another based on Metroid would be fair to include

14:17 I think it was cut because of crafted world being made during ultimates release and I still miss black yoshi because of the promotion. that’s the best reason I can think of

7:20 I think the reason was the models of the 'mon. If I'm not mistaken, the models of the Pokémon are from Stadium (or one of the games in gc) and Let's Go released November 2018, si they didn't have the models. Now, why they couldn't use the 3ds models seeing as some of the stages from 3ds were ported over from SM4SH is beyond me

You forgot Mushroomy Kingdom 1-2 from Brawl. I want that one back. I may be the only one, but *I want it back.*

the death whistle during the metal mario joke was peak and reminded me why I watch your videos

5:17-5:37 I used to be cool with playing on Mute City SNES, but then I discovered you can actually fall through the road while playing. Because of that, it's my second least favorite stage in Smash Ultimate

13:04 or they could make it so when it's transforming, you just get shot back to the front.

Have you done cut Bosses yet? Would have been cool to see a lot of the cut bosses return for Ultimate’s classic mode. *cough cough Rayquaza cough*

Not you IGNORING Tabuu's stage in brawl. I want it back.

What was that awkward silence after the miiverse part wad that intended lol. Anyway this was a great vid rho and I agree with all your picks I want pokefloats to come back the most since its such a fun and goofy stage. Anyway great vid and keep up the good work👍

They could’ve brought back one or 2 old stages per dlc fighter pack which would’ve been a great way to bring them back.

I think the reason rainbow road didn't come over was because it was directly ripped from Mario kart 7, and they didn't want to remake the entire stage in HD just for ultimate. Of course, now that it's in the MK8D dlc, it has a good chance of returning in the future

I think the reason why rainbow Road and pac-maze were cut, because there wasn’t enough development time; so they went for the smash 4 equivalents, as porting them would be easier; cause smash 4 on Wii U is more like ultimate.

I feel smash ultimate had some missed potential. They should’ve done stage DLC and alternate consume DLC

2:23 the whistle 💀 this channel is the best

Rainbow Road was cut from Ultimate because of Mario Circuit. On top of that, 3DS Rainbow Road wasn’t in 8 Deluxe at the time. So basically, everything you said about Mute City and Port Town applies to Rainbow Road and Mario Circuit

I hate the fact that 3ds rainbow road was cut from ultimate but for some reason the music is in ultimate

For Jungle Hijinx, they could’ve just had the bg fighters be instantly be put into barrels and launched back into the foreground before it transforms. Besides, they got 8-player smash to work for all levels so none would be unavailable, so I don’t think they won’t do the same with Jungle Hijinx. I think this is another case of the devs not having enough time, so it would be easier porting a different, simpler stage, instead of adding this small fix.

11:46 the sad part is not even Super Smash Flash 2 thought of this

I think Poke Floats and Wooly World were cut similarily either because of the awkward platform designs or because they both include vertical auto scrolling similar to Icicle Mountain and Rumble Falls. As for Rainbow Road, I'm guessing since Mario Circuit from the Wii U had the same gimmick as this, they didn't feel like putting two Mario Kart stages that felt similar.

You missed Mushroomy Kingdom 1-2

Sector Z was interesting because of its massive size. It’s way bigger than Corneria, so it would have worked well with 8 players and such.

“Does brawl have any bonus stages? No? Moving on” All the boss arenas and stuff from subspace emissary: 👁👄👁

7:36 I think it was cut because it used the Pokémon Stadium models, and I don’t think they have access to those anymore Rainbow Road was cut for similar reasons I think

You forgot every Final Destination and Battlefield in the past games, they’re clearly different from the stages we have now!

I have a question, what would you rate for mushroomy kingdom 1-2 to come back?

There's no rainbow road. They left out the most iconic mario kart track. when they already made the stage. and it was based off of the best rainbow road. This is criminal

The cut stage I want back the most is... Melee's Final Destination. Iconic and super nostalgic. Think of how hype that would be! (The new one really just isn't the same at all, imo) ...OK but actually it's probably Melee's Mute City. Also because nostalgia. But no one talks about Melee FD or Brawl FD or Melee Battlefield, and I think they're worth bringing up. With the new Battlefield and Omega modes, having cool or nostalgic backgrounds really makes a difference in my opinion.

My assumption for Rainbow Road and Mute City being cut was always that they were direct ports from their source games, and it would be too much work to upgrade assets from N64 and 3DS games for a moving stage

Main slogan of the next Smash Game: Every stage is here

I think odyssey ranking all the music discs would be perfect for his channel and bring Minecraft into his channel more

Who noticed World 1-2 of Mushroomy Kingdom and the Greyscale easter egg of Dream Land GB was also absent?

It may already be mentioned, but Mushroomy Kingdom from Brawl has a secondary layout that was cut when it returned in 3DS, and it was not reintroduced in Ultimate. Also I unironically love Rumble Falls.

Sector Z is better than Corneria because it’s a good bit bigger and thus feels more like you’re _actually_ fighting in the Great Fox. It’s so small in the Corneria version that it doesn’t feel like that at all unless you only have like Bowser and Ridley fighting as then you can just imagine them being closer to their canonical size.

Ay yo I love that Mr. Beast meme great job man

The Woolly World stage was made near the end of development of Smash for Wii U as a method of promotion for Yoshi's Woolly World since it was coming out a few months after Smash for Wii U.

video idea: cut enemies from Mario games. Enemies that only appeared in a few Mario games but haven’t appeared since, and what ones you’d love to see come back and what ones you don’t really care about

I think PokeFloats was cut because the Pokemon, Squirtle and Venusaur, are kind of fighters in the game. Squirtle is, but for Venusaur, Ivysaur, it’s pre-evolved form, is one, so yeah

He forgot the 1-2 phase in mushroomy kingdom 2.

i like how 64's mushroom kingdom was chosen over melee however there was no need to nerf the pipes when the stage is banned.

If I had to guess, the reason Poké Floats was cut is because Squirtle is playable now. It’d look weird to have Squirtle fighting on Squirtle. It’s not a GOOD reason, but it’s probably what the developers were thinking. Similar to Ridley being on Pyrosphere. Surely Alfonzo could have replaced him…

Dude I was so upset when 3DS Rainbow Road didn’t return. That was THE ONLY stage I was hoping for to come back. When I played Smash 3DS, I would always play that stage at least once.

For the pokefloats cut stage, the battlefield and omega forms should be unowns spelling out battlefield and omega

the stage transition feature is why the vertical scrolling stages were cut iirc; the main issue was that trying to reposition players during the transition was a mess. as for pokefloats, while the stage isn't actually a vertical scroller (as is commonly claimed) it was pretty obviously rushed in at the last minute. seriously, regardless of how much you like it, it is just pokemon models floating in a void. it's most likely that sakurai and co. simply didn't think it was worth bringing back.

Ok, don't quote me on this, but i BELIEVE Rainbow Road was cut because it's literally the legit track from Mario Kart 7, assets and all, ported to Smash Bros. 3DS and made into a stage. since it was on the same system, it was easy. but i think trying to remake it for Ultimate would probably take way more time than they had. there was SOMETHING that stopped them from just doing a full on remake of it for Ultimate like the rest of the stages, but that's just what i heard over the years.

omg I thought the star fox stage in smash 4 was a figment of my imagination holy crap I forgot how cool it was

2:23 Hehe nice the Wolf Whistle from Puss in Boots: The Last Wish. What are your thoughts on that movie if you’ve seen it?

It’s a shame you didn’t cover Subspace Emissary’s final boss stage with Tabuu! That was cool and sadly forgotten

I feel like pyrosphere should’ve stayed. It could of been fun without Ridley.

I love/hate vertical scroller-stages. On one hand they bring a lot more variety and longevity to the game, on the other hand they move too fast which can feel annoying and unfair at times. Make them slower and lengthen the time the stage stands still to make it less stressful. What I miss the most in ultimate are the scroller stages, mute city and the target practice gamemodes.

Here's a bonus cut stage from Brawl that you missed: the World 1-2 variant of Mushroomy Kingdom. Since the 1-1 version is in Ultimate though, I guess we can just call this half of a cut stage.

I’ve always wanted mute city to return and get mad every game literally any scrolling stage comes back

I feel like the reason why Pokèfloats didn’t return is because of how random it is and the fact that barely anyone would end up playing on it

There was always something that would pop up in the miiverse stage that would make every match worth it

“Why on Earth was this stage cut?” Well, maybe because there’s no Earth in the stage at all since you’re in space? :P I just found that wording funny when being said about a galaxy related stage. I totally agree it should be brought back, though considering it takes place in space perhaps “why in the galaxy was this stage cut?” would be even more fitting

Three words to describe Pokefloats being cut Battlefield, Omega, Hazards

This might be an idea you already did but idk, I think it would be cool if you did a Level by Level based on the non-Mario based tracks in Mario Kart 8 Deluxe. Good video btw, cut content always interested me

Great video, solid tier list, though you did miss one stage ... kinda. Mushroomy Kingdom 1-2 never made it beyond Brawl. When MK returned in Smash 3DS and Ultimate, only 1-1 made the cut. I preferred the underground aesthetic to the desert above, but the layout felt too claustrophobic.

Sector Z is way larger than the others. That's why I miss it

i dont get why at all those 3 s tier stages were cut from this game. because with the rainbow road stage they could have done something similar to the mario circuit stage, with the pokemon stage they could have just used different pokemon or replace some of them and with the pac man stage they could have just put in the game.

Sad that 3ds rainbow road stage did not return in smash ultimate in glorious HD. The closes we get for 3ds rainbow stage to ever comeback for smash was that it did returned as part of Mario kart 8 deluxe Booster's course DLC.

I miss Miiverse simply because me and my friends were artists and loved drawing stuff whenever our character won. I will never forget my “GET DORFED” meme drawing

Jungle Hijinxs could be worked around simply by making all charachters in the background get launched by a randomly appearing barrel as well the second the stage morphs honestly, wouldn't look great but easy solution. It's so unique it's really sad it got cut. Completely agree with the list btw, but my guess is some of the strangest cuts like Woolly World happened simply because of time constraints. For Sector Z make it an alternate skin of corneria like Mushroomy Kingdom could work as well, no need to be its own separate stage. Hell, change the name of the stage to "Great Fox", and simply make it change randomly between all the various levels of StarFox 64, that would be cool

Planet Zebes and Sector Zwere the best 64 levels.

3DS rainbow road is a crime 😭

Here’s my theory on why Woolly World was cut Yoshi’s Woolly World isn’t on the Nintendo Switch Although, that doesn’t explain why Golden Plains wasn’t cut even though NSMB2 isn’t on the Switch

They should just add sector Z as an alternate background for corneria.

Um, you're forgetting the *underground* version of the Mushroomy Kingdom stage from Brawl! While the stage itself isn't exclusive to Brawl, the underground version is.

Hey can you talk about what kind of mii fighter variants you would add? Mine would be a heavyweight and animal types

Imagine they add all the stages ever made in the next game

I’d actually like for a future game to make a successor to Icicle Mountain. Like, it wouldn’t be an autoscroller, rather it could have a base layout that stays the whole match while platforms slide down from the sky to simulate climbing? Kinda like Umbra Clock Tower?