The Dark Origins of Sirens | Dark Mythologies

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Mermaids and sirens often get confused, and whilst their mythologies do overlap in many ways, their nature and subsequent cultural influence differ greatly. In the first part of this two-part video series, we take a deep look at the ancient origins of sirens.
References:
Gresseth, G. K. (1970). The Homeric Sirens. /Transactions and Proceedings of the American Philological Association/, /101/, 203-218. doi.org/10.2307/2936048
Pollard, J. R. T. (1952). Muses and Sirens. /The Classical Review/, /2/(2), 60-63. www.jstor.org/stable/705881
SCHUR, D. (2014). THE SILENCE OF HOMER’S SIRENS. /Arethusa/, /47/(1), 1-17. www.jstor.org/stable/26322591
Van Liefferinge, C. (2012). Sirens: From the Deadly Song to the Music of the Spheres. Homeric Readings and Platonic Interpretations. Revue de l’histoire des religions, 229, 479-501. doi.org/10.4000/rhr.7980
The stupid nonsense story at the beginning was just some crap I wrote up.
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@vanyakalinka8305 Жыл бұрын

This is like the ancient people's way of telling young men that simping is bad for your health.

@makidtrej Жыл бұрын

😂😂😂

@jmcb00 Жыл бұрын

😭😭😭😭

@theflowerhead Жыл бұрын

Totally. 😂

@alexiscarson6013 Жыл бұрын

Never was a more succinct yet prescient analysis ever uttered on the web 👏👏👏👏💞

@kova1577 Жыл бұрын

It’s still true. Women are sirens

@AndYourLittleDog Жыл бұрын

I’m Greek and remember a story from my childhood about sirens being created by Demeter. Apparently they were originally nymphs who were supposed to watch over Persephone. When they failed to prevent her abduction, Demeter cursed them to become sirens. The version I was told depicted them as birds.

@solemn2854 Жыл бұрын

Harpees?

@AndYourLittleDog Жыл бұрын

@@solemn2854 I think Elektra gave birth to two harpies

@sadkittten Жыл бұрын

I read a book with this as the story

@julianaalcantara3595 Жыл бұрын

Que porra é essa?

@Kobiyachi_ 10 ай бұрын

I too have read that

@czane1526 Жыл бұрын

“If you hear a sorrowful scream in the night near the shore, walk with the wind away from it” yeah I don’t generally continue the direction I heard wailing screams from

@izudust Жыл бұрын

@@bambooprincess3495 just learn to swim

@Armilus666 4 ай бұрын

I head straight to them but yeah you should stay clear.

@amandabartels458 Ай бұрын

😂😅 Salute!

@quintinwright8487 21 күн бұрын

Like for real common sense

@TerryOCarroll Жыл бұрын

As the song says, "By the time you hear the Sirens, it's already too late"

@camibvaz Жыл бұрын

I love sirens, when I was younger I fought a fantasy book called Watersong because it had a sparkling cover and it was about sirens (in the book, they can take half-fish forms on water and half-bird forms on land, so the writer did a in-between both traditions) and ever since then, they have fascinated me.

@Kainpound Жыл бұрын

That's such an original conceptually interesting idea

@SassyGirl822006 Жыл бұрын

I'm getting the feeling that the confusion between mermaids and sirens happened fairly early. Since even the early depictions of sirens seem to go from bird-woman, to bird and fish woman, to fish-woman.

@GravityFromAbove Жыл бұрын

By the way Cinzia, here are a few worthy obscure mermaid/siren movies: She Creature 2001 (great monster vs alluring beauty take), Dagon (Lovecraft tale with a highly unique version of the feminine creature), Spring (dark mermaid love story in Italy) The Lure (recent Polish siren musical)(!), Night Tide (Dennis Hopper in a 1961 beatnik version), and I've got Mermaid Down ready to watch. It's either that or Aquamarine... Thanks for the deep dive!

@maggiescarlet Жыл бұрын

Aquamarine was my childhood! Her little starfish earrings were so cute 😂 that musical sounds great though, appreciate all the recommendations

@GravityFromAbove Жыл бұрын

@@maggiescarlet Warning. None of these are friendly mermaid movies. They are all the opposite of a Disney version. The Lure isn't a Hollywood musical at all. It is dark strange and gritty and weirdly funny. And all in Polish. But I like the dark end of the mermaid stories.

@perfectallycromulent Жыл бұрын

there's also an Australian tv show from 2018 called Tidelands, which is on netflix at least in some countries too (like the US)

@Pincer88 Жыл бұрын

You've genuinely got a beautiful voice for storytelling. Could listen for hours, even if you would read from Wittgenstein's Tractatus. Have you ever considered writing your own stories and publishing them as audio books?

@CAP198462 Жыл бұрын

Other KZfaqrs with amazing voices: Drachinifel GLid The Mighty Jingles. Baldamort. Drachinifel will give you the most peaceful sleep you’ve had in decades.

@Pincer88 Жыл бұрын

@@CAP198462 Certainly. But it's not about falling asleep, it's about hanging to her every word. The Lady of the Library makes the tale of the Sirens come alive the way she uses het voice in the introduction. That's magic.

@sarahf1296 Жыл бұрын

Right? Like marry me and tell me stories every night. Pretty please 🙏 That would save me lots of money on streaming and audio services.

@Pincer88 Жыл бұрын

@@sarahf1296 Wow... astonishing how you've read my mind. You must be a clairvoyant. (Please mark the sarcasm).

@domirican4eva Жыл бұрын

“Clearly it didn’t look like me, however” 💀💀 your charming delivery combined with your deep research are so appreciated!!

@AdrienneLaVey Жыл бұрын

I’ve been waiting for a video from you about this! Sirens are one of my favorite mythological creatures. 🖤

@CinziaDuBois Жыл бұрын

Hope you enjoyed it!

@scottdoesntmatter4409 Жыл бұрын

@@CinziaDuBois any progress on an updated vampire video?

@arcadialumina Жыл бұрын

I love those bed sheets!!! mushrooms are very witchy and mystical

@chrisball3778 Жыл бұрын

I've never been sure how Mermaids ever got their current sympathetic image. All the folktales I've read about them at best portray them as alluring but capricious beings who decide to help fishermen in exchange for some kind of cursed promise, and at worst as psychopathic fish sticks with a deep-seated love of drowning mariners. I blame Hans Christian Andersen. Which is easy, because he was a very, very weird man. I.e. Looking forward to the mermaid talk.

Жыл бұрын

I don't understand how Christian Andersen's works are considered "for children", they're all horrible without exception. If I remember correctly, sailors going to America (as in the entire continent, not the country) would get very excited to see "mermaids". It turned out they were manatees but that didn't stop them to describe the new lands as awesome partially because of the alleged mermaids. I guess they didn't know they were supposed to be murderous fish with boobs 😅

@canesugar911 Жыл бұрын

Their so called sympathetic nature only exists in Disney. I'm more inclined to be sympathetic towards them

@e.urbach7780 Жыл бұрын

This series of videos will be really interesting to me, because my family comes from southern Italy and Sicily, including the parts at the Strait of Messina where Scylla and Charybdis and the sirens were supposed to be!

@rosemarygilman8718 Жыл бұрын

Thank you! I’m loving this! What a great topic. In the beginning of the video where you are speaking over the images of the candle and the moon your voice is perfect for the words you are speaking. You could be a voice actor, it’s so perfect! Your choice of music is also exactly right. As always, you do such a good job of presenting incredibly well researched information mixed with humor and fun. I’m looking forward to the next installment.

@jeremysmith4620 Жыл бұрын

Your voice drew me into the channel, but you are all muse, no siren. October is just the best, mostly because of all the great KZfaq content. Thanks for helping make the month extra Spooktacular!

@CinziaDuBois Жыл бұрын

Wow, thank you!

@aeolia80 Жыл бұрын

oh man!! I was just having this discussion with my French husband because mermaids and sirens are the same thing in French and French culture (les sirènes, quoi?, hahahhahahha), he was so surprised that with English speakers there was 2 different connotations. And then I told him about selkies, because those of us from celtic/gaelic backgrounds have this creature in our culture, and then I just confused him more, lol

Жыл бұрын

Don't forget kelpies! 😃 I think in Spanish it's the same, the word Sirena is applied to both creatures.

@alexandrad3158 Жыл бұрын

i have just a google search and realized that in ALL Romance languages, mermaids and sirens are considered the same thing....

@HolasoyMai Жыл бұрын

@ Yes. I still don't get used to two different types of "sirens" in English

@leticiabarboza486 Жыл бұрын

Only now do I realize that we have only one word for both creatures in Portuguese as well 🤔

@markwynne725 Жыл бұрын

I really liked the story at the start. It really set the tone of danger masked by beauty that sirens represent. The following description of sirens in literature felt too short to me. Looking forward to the follow up!

@andy2950 Жыл бұрын

Song to the Siren by This Mortal Coil. ❤ Persephone by The Cocteau Twins 🥰

@MammaApa Жыл бұрын

Song to the Siren is a cover, original by Tim Buckley. I couldn't choose one over the other though, and that is rare when it comes to covers!

@andy2950 Жыл бұрын

@MammaApa I know. Jeff Buckley was obsessed with Liz Fraser after hearing her cover of his Dad's song. That's the clincher for me.

@daskraut Жыл бұрын

i only remember that the sirens got a little bit... annoyed... when obelix asked for food.

@brandonlrushman2870 Жыл бұрын

Why does every British person sound like an Oxford professor! 💚 everything sounds more intelligent and smooth! 💚 Love the mythological on sirens/mermaids! 💙

@blackheartbooks Жыл бұрын

You have such a nice voice for telling stories

@lindanelson6615 Жыл бұрын

Your opening for this video was absolutely hypnotic!

@mommymita Жыл бұрын

Eeeeeeek! I am so very excited for this two part series!!

@AmayzinG13 Жыл бұрын

A marvelous beginning to what looks to be a favorite series, many thanks!

@anna_caps Жыл бұрын

Already excited to see part 2! Loved the video and the October themed series. ❤

@Lotrgecko Жыл бұрын

Loved this, and I cannot wait for part 2! Also, the background music was the perfect touch *chef's kiss*

@TerryWilliams-wu8xc 5 күн бұрын

I enjoy listening to your voice, both alluring and calming.

@adrianodrika Жыл бұрын

Your room is so lovely, and your voice is so relaxing. I just love how much information you can pack in such a lovely voice. Thank you for teaching so much in such a lovely way.

@meowcenary21 Жыл бұрын

Newly discovered your channel today and have been binge watching. Your academic presentation gorgeously pairs with the entertaining and insightful points made. My mind feels as revived days in graduate school, which is the most sincere of compliments.

@eldgeth3799 Жыл бұрын

What a wonderful spooky start to October!

@nickrhodes9031 Жыл бұрын

Loved your reading at the opening...I was completely hooked. Greatly looking forward to the rest of dark October.

@KristyStrange Жыл бұрын

OBSESSED! Thank you for providing an in-depth look at the origins of the siren. Adore this video series 🖤

@DarkINsides06 Жыл бұрын

You're very well read but I keep coming back to your videos because you're so comforting and your voice relaxes me. I really enjoy your work 🖖🏼

@danibissonnette1601 Жыл бұрын

This is my favorite on the videos you've done thus far! It reminds me of multiple world myths including the Kushtaka of North America and the rainbow bridge and the 9 realms in Nordic mythology. Thank you for making these, history and classics are so much more fascinating when you get to go on tangents and anchor them to something someone may be more familiar with :)

@cultofpusheen Жыл бұрын

Love your videos Cinzia can't wait for part 2!!!

@ThaetusZain Жыл бұрын

just starting the video. Love the mushroom bedsheets

@carly885 Жыл бұрын

Thank you! 😊 this was really interesting, I'm excited for part 2 🧜‍♀️

@CinziaDuBois Жыл бұрын

Glad you enjoyed it!

@hannahsolo27 Жыл бұрын

I’m liking the background mood music! Excellent video as always ❤

@RafaelGarcia022 Жыл бұрын

Thank you for these videos. The scholarly content mixes well with your sweet and fun personality :)

@paulshaddix5290 Жыл бұрын

finding your channel has improved my Classical education onehundred fold...thank you..

@Soilfood365 Жыл бұрын

Always a treat when one of yours turns up in my feed! This comment to let the algorithm know I'd like to see the next one more promptly...

@dekay666 10 ай бұрын

Odysseus wanted to be tied to the mast because if the sirens sang and nobody came, they would know and seek them out. He did it to protect the crew. The sirens knew someone (Odysseus) could hear them so they kept singing until the crew who couldn’t hear her snuck the ship past. It was a diversion tactic and had nothing to do with cake. 🙂

@ReadingNymph Жыл бұрын

Your videos are always so fantastic! Loved this look into Sirens

@millymollymrst3537 Жыл бұрын

This was totally fascinating, love your channel.❤

@ongjune8328 Жыл бұрын

Love this series!! Can't wait for more :D Happy October everyone

@SethTheXenocide Жыл бұрын

Good first video. I'm fine with these topics stretching into Christmas time!

@paulshaddix5290 11 ай бұрын

always excellent and well paced...thank you for your consistancy and excellent......

@emmajones8715 Жыл бұрын

About fantastic video, thank you for all of the work you put in to your content x

@CinziaDuBois Жыл бұрын

Thank you so much, Emma!!

@barjamlin7962 Жыл бұрын

Interesting subject, and an excellent video. You have a beautiful voice for storytelling.

@avgeek3811 Жыл бұрын

I love the spooky tone of the video. I'm excited for part 2

@bimbobaggins4521 Жыл бұрын

Love this video!! I love your storytelling style. 🖤

@CinziaDuBois Жыл бұрын

Glad you liked it!!

@fatimarezigui3892 Жыл бұрын

I just can't seem to stop watching ur videos! 😍 Thank u ❤️

@mardinegouws4335 Жыл бұрын

Thank goodness for the only person who have the intelligence and voice to give wonderful info. Love ur channel!❤

@budwhite9591 Жыл бұрын

I discovered your channel a few weeks ago. Every video is better and better, you are very pretty, and your voice and accent are just beautiful. Thank you for your work.

@Just-aNerd Жыл бұрын

Soooo, If sirens have wings, one could write a story in which sky sirens lure pilots instead of sailors.

@SamSam-esqe Жыл бұрын

Ooooooooooooooo

@NatalieAuroraS Жыл бұрын

I love the background music. I very much enjoyed this video and cannot wait for others such as this one.

@OlliWitta3_ 20 күн бұрын

11:50 makes me think of the different hz frequencies 😮

@lesliemoiseauthor Жыл бұрын

I love this Halloween themed series!

@JewelMooreSings Жыл бұрын

I really loved this video!! Thanks!! ❤

@CinziaDuBois Жыл бұрын

Glad you liked it!!

@nikikaniki Жыл бұрын

Super fascinating thank you as always

@thevegancupid77 10 ай бұрын

please do more storytelling like you did at the start of the video. it helps me fall asleep. it would be great if you do more. i love these!

@Calin0uchka Жыл бұрын

Such an interesting video 💗.

@Skibbityboo0580 Жыл бұрын

My new favorite KZfaqr!

@CinziaDuBois Жыл бұрын

Aww, thank you!

@bronwynsmith4469 Жыл бұрын

I always look forward to hearing your videos 🎬

@CinziaDuBois Жыл бұрын

Glad you like them!

@holyfreak8 Жыл бұрын

I'd love to see a faithful adaptation of sirens on the screen, as they were described by Homer in "The Oddysey". Great video Lady! Love the narration at the intro.

@can-i-go-now Жыл бұрын

Glad I found this channel.

@MiciusPorcius Жыл бұрын

Fascinating stuff keep it up!

@CinziaDuBois Жыл бұрын

Thanks, will do!

@janicegagnon2294 Жыл бұрын

Can’t wait !

@mercurialfox Жыл бұрын

Loving this dark series!

@evanames5940 Жыл бұрын

Thanks again as always.

@AudreyDarling Жыл бұрын

“Clearly it didn’t look like me however” -I chuckled 🤣

@bwalker77 Жыл бұрын

All right, I'm hooked. I just subscribed.

@talyah23 Жыл бұрын

Loved this 🥰

@cadenceclearwater4340 Жыл бұрын

A beautiful reading 😊

@johnsaxongitno4life588 Жыл бұрын

I really really enjoyed this amazing video love it and love you and your amazing channel ❤❤❤❤

@CinziaDuBois Жыл бұрын

Thank you so much!!

@johnsaxongitno4life588 Жыл бұрын

@@CinziaDuBois no worries 😉 your welcome 🙏

@Madlymarmalade Жыл бұрын

I don't think it was mentioned or asked yet, but what are you reading in the intro? I'm in love whatever it is and i want more of that one too. This is epic.

@MasterManGod Жыл бұрын

Thank you so much for doing this. There was so much about sirens I didn't know or never realized, especially their connection to Egypt and descriptions. Looking forward to part 2! (also asphodel is one of my favorite words to say lol)

@MrAaroncissell Жыл бұрын

Ohhh Thanks for the hopefully three months of fun!

@hollyreed6538 Жыл бұрын

Rely enjoyed this one and would rely like it if you could do a video in the 5 parts that Egyptians believed made up ones self it sounds very interesting

@fourhemispheres2734 Жыл бұрын

I loved this ❤

@winterburden Жыл бұрын

Thanks for this neat siren video! 🙆‍♀️

@CinziaDuBois Жыл бұрын

Glad you liked it!

@angelicaheredia9187 Жыл бұрын

in Italian siren and mermaid both translate to the word "Sirena"

@jissellecruz4054 Жыл бұрын

Same in Spanish

@uh........... Жыл бұрын

i remember being told by my teacher that sirens originally didn't have tails, that bit of information where a siren has a tail like a mermaid was just added folklore development. originally sirens had wings.

@geonunes10 Жыл бұрын

The change in set actually works for the halloween theme

@katymaloney Жыл бұрын

Me, suddenly realizing half-tangent that daffodils have 6 points, so basically hexagonal star-shaped... Hellflowers! xD

@theblackswan2373 Жыл бұрын

Delightful.

@CwL-1984 Жыл бұрын

Splendid 👍👍

@lungelongubane4071 Жыл бұрын

I never would have thought of sirens as celestial it's a new perspective 🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥❤️❤️❤️

@rasheedawilson752 Жыл бұрын

Looking forward to this series!!

@jimperry6463 Жыл бұрын

Request: the boatman of the underworld across mythologies

@crazy4catsRL Жыл бұрын

I’ve never heard of the half bird half human sirens. I thought I had done a lot of reading but I guess I have much more to do. Can anyone suggest any sources to look at and/or read? Tia!

@MoeShinola1 Жыл бұрын

"Many a hero has been laid low, like Samson, by a perfidious Ba" - William S. Burroughs

@violetsidhe Жыл бұрын

Another great video… I am kinda distracted by your mushroom duvet cover and pillow cases

@tr8rsn4k36 Жыл бұрын

Ahh the screencap from Dagon in the thumbnail👌🏻

@shanscheiidt2895 Жыл бұрын

Idrk why, but the "Ba" reminds me a lot of the character Yubaba in Spirited Away

@QuaesitorDei Жыл бұрын

I love your voice. Do you use it in everyday life or is it affectation for the channel?

@CinziaDuBois Жыл бұрын

It's my real voice haha thank you

@aishanelly2150 Жыл бұрын

Your bed sheets are amazing

@princessanthony7538 Жыл бұрын

currently writing a story about sirens and your videos are very helpful 🤍🤍

@robertdonregenhardt6502 Жыл бұрын

The video of the sirens, you aren't off subject when talking about Egypt and the bae bird. Have you thought about doing some about inanna, eve after the separation from Adam? Their more I would like to talk about.