I knew he was doomed after several viewings. After he eats the pork chops and turquoise colored beans. Which match the moss colored rocks on edge of the water. But he was really doomed when the two police officers were ridiculing him for being pics and sexually negligent towards his wife. This was a setup from the word go. I believe from his fellow officers. Also their paganism is absolutely identical to the method of sacrifice of the Canaanite god Molech. Several chambers for animals crops and then the main chamber for the child or innocent person. In this instance the police officer. Who ignorance strips him of his innocence. The moment he stepped foot on that Island he was doomed. Because he's investigating a false and non perpetuated crime. The further in he goes the more he's entangled. This movie is absolute malevolent genius

Interesting take! Could you give me some names of self-sacrificing gods? I'd love to investigate that.

Except, the crucifixion of Christ stands apart. There is no equivalent in any other belief system.

@@ThorogoodFilmsnot sure if you’ll read this but Xipe totec comes to mind as well as Odin’s hanging of himself on Yggdrassil

@@mor4439 Ooh interesting!

Everyone's entitled to their own beliefs, but the idea that, within the film, Howie's faith is somehow the ultimate truth or reality is misplaced. The islanders have their faith, Howie has his, but the only reality that's presented is that a man is burned to death in a wicker cage. If anything, the movie is a commentary about the extremes that people will go to over religion based on no real evidence; Howie's faith isn't presented as triumphant, only different from those below.

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Ah thank you! I believe I've only seen the theatrical cut, I'd be intrigued to see the final cut :)

@@ThorogoodFilms the same here. I've seen the Theatrical cut for the first time recently. I was impressed by how streamlined the storytelling is - but others seem to favor the final cut - which I have yet to see myself. I appreciated your assessment of the film. I share a lot of your sentiments and philosophy. It's a rare gem of a film. Interesting how some of the hardest horror films have the most to say about faith.

@@mlunaID That's wonderful to hear, thank you! If you have any suggestions for films to cover on the channel, let me know!

Ah great shout, thanks! Will give it a watch

Oh cool! I want to check that out

Thank you so much for your comment, means a lot!

But God was sure to intervene to protect Isaac. That was to test Abraham's faith in the promise of God that he would have many descendants. And wonderfully it points to the cross; God himself did not withhold his only Son, and through the death of Jesus we may have life. I talk a bit about the animal sacrifices in my Saw video: kzfaq.info/get/bejne/iNiZZpiVnsuxdmg.html

@@ThorogoodFilms but issac didn't know that nor did his father

@@somthingbrutal Absolutely. It is shocking! But Abraham knew that God was good, even if the command seemed inexplicable in the moment

@@ThorogoodFilms and his son grew up knowing that his dad was willing to kill him. not a great dad a great dad would have told god no

Human sacrifice was still fairly common at the time. It was considered the ultimate offering of devotion to one's deity. It wasn't strange to Abraham to be asked this to test his loyalty and trust, but the end of the story makes it pretty clear how God reveals himself as someone who opposes the idea of human sacrifice. Abraham proved his worth, and God revealed more of his character by putting himself in contrast with many of the other pagan deities that encouraged human sacrifice of one's children for divine favor. There's something interesting a lot of people miss from the Old Testament. The further into the Old Testament you get, you have God confessing that he was never really interested in animal sacrifice. It was a practice done pretty much everywhere in some form or another, and God seems to imply that he allowed it in order to accomplish the greater goal of establishing their relationship and because it was effectively something the Israelites needed for their own peace of mind. God said that he instead was more interested in what the sacrifice was intended to elicit in the one making the offering. He's more interested in humility, contrition for wrongdoing, and to live righteously, particularly by being just in our dealings with others. In the eyes of God, sacrificing others for pereonal gain is evil, and there is no greater expression of love than self-sacrifice for the good of others.

Thanks for your comment! Apologies if that's how it came across. I guess I'm trying to say that what's depicted in the film is horrifying. How reflective it is of actual paganism (which is a very broad category) is almost beside the point. I personally see massive continuity between the Old and New Testament, with the same character of God throughout.

It is bad, but believe what you believe.😇

​@@ThorogoodFilms Honestly I found you got way too sympathetic to Christianity at the end as a lot of us dislike the symbolism of a human sacrifice in the form of Jesus being needed to heal some bs original sin which I know for a fact we don't hold.

And they were all pointing to his own sacrifice. Hebrews 10... 4 It is impossible for the blood of bulls and goats to take away sins. 5 Therefore, when Christ came into the world, he said: “Sacrifice and offering you did not desire, but a body you prepared for me; 6 with burnt offerings and sin offerings you were not pleased. 7 Then I said, ‘Here I am-it is written about me in the scroll- I have come to do your will, my God.’” 8 First he said, “Sacrifices and offerings, burnt offerings and sin offerings you did not desire, nor were you pleased with them”-though they were offered in accordance with the law. 9 Then he said, “Here I am, I have come to do your will.” He sets aside the first to establish the second. 10 And by that will, we have been made holy through the sacrifice of the body of Jesus Christ once for all. 11 Day after day every priest stands and performs his religious duties; again and again he offers the same sacrifices, which can never take away sins. 12 But when this priest had offered for all time one sacrifice for sins, he sat down at the right hand of God, 13 and since that time he waits for his enemies to be made his footstool. 14 For by one sacrifice he has made perfect forever those who are being made holy.

Thanks for your comment! That's why Trinity is vital in understanding the cross, and I should have made that clearer in the video. The Father works through the Son by the Holy Spirit. (2 Corinthians 5:19 ...God was reconciling the world to himself in Christ, not counting people’s sins against them...) So yes, it wasn't the Father on the cross. But the Son, who has always been in the closest relationship with the Father, was. Jesus and the Father are one. You cannot define God without Jesus.