You still did a great job. There is often ambiguity in this topic, so multiple interpretations of one character can be reasonable.

As someone in deep in the Vs community, you certainly did a good job making points with a lot of the characters, especially given it's not a hobby you actively do or keep up with. It was indeed a point to be made that, for example, Mario can be placed around Bowser surviving Supernovas, or scaling to him taking the power of the Dream Stone that maintains the Dream Depot, where every dream that's ever been dreamt is it's own universe. There's a lot of interpretation to these things at the end of the day, and really the limit is going to be at which point you decide it's gotten out of hand, to an extent. A good way to see the Power Scaling community is as more of a research experiment, than an accurate reflection of the characters. Yes, Mario survived something like a Universe being deleted with him inside it in Super Paper Mario, but that level of power is never going to actually be relevant to the narrative of the story. We acknowledge that, and it's mostly just a fun thought experiment of if a character was at every maximum they've shown, with all the abilities, tools, and powers they've shown. They're essentially treated as an idealized version of the character that ignores nothing. If a Mario like this existed in the actual games, it'd be absolutely uncomfortable to watch, but for the purposes of the thought experiment, it's fun. Like how if the writers of the Flash Comics actually had him remember all his powers, nothing would ever be a threat ever again. It's in a vein like that. That is to say, I feel like the Vs community gets a bad rep, largely insofar as a lot of it's own doing, and how the most vocal communities are often the worst representations of it. I audibly groaned when you brought up Vs Battle Wiki as they're very poorly regarded in a lot of the Power Scaling community for bias, overestimation, and such things for series they like. I think one thing people need to know about your actual average power scalers, is something that you touched on at the end, but in the total opposite direction. You said that a lot of power scaling is about reducing the characters to singular points of data on a grid and disregarding their story or what makes the character that character outside of some singular destructive feat they did, and that's really not quite right. There is an astronomical amount of emphasis for a lot of people about the characters themselves. Their stories, personalities, things that drive them, etc. It's why the characters are compared at all. Connections between characters, who went through similar story beats or narrative moments, who have fought for similar things or against similar people. End of the day, the characters themselves are the beating heart of Vs Debating, and just as much time is put into discussion over how abilities interact, the tones of the fight, what the music would be like, etc. It's a matter of wanting to see the characters we love represented and shown off in neat ways. There's absolutely a ton of people who just see the hobby as the "Big Dick Meterstick" of a series being better than another because the beeg numbers be higher, but that's like judging all sports by their worst fans. I greatly enjoyed the vid, and was neat to see where you put characters, differently that I or others might place them. Just wanted to pust a defence for the Power Scaling as a hobby, for the inevitable wave of people criticizing the hobby at it's roots.

As someone who usually spends about 5 hours with powerscaling a day, this is actually a pretty good list! The only thing here that was *absurdly* wrong was not having Joker in S-Tier, since he's by far the strongest character in Smash. Also, you're overselling Kirby a bit, since him being in the same tier as Bayonetta is a bit much. Kirby is universal to low multiversal, while Baynoetta is low *complex* multiversal and Joker is outerversal through SMT scaling. To clarify the difference, the VS Battle Wiki defines the terms as follows: Low Multiversal (Kirby) - Characters or objects that can significantly affect, create and/or destroy small multiverses which can be comprised of several separate space-time continuums ranging anywhere from two to a thousand, or equivalents. Low Complex Multiversal (Bayonetta) - Characters or objects that can universally affect, create and/or destroy spaces whose size corresponds to one to two higher levels of infinity greater than a standard universal model, In terms of "dimensional" scale, this can be equated to 5 and 6-dimensional real coordinate spaces (R ^ 5 to R ^ 6). Outerversal (Joker) - Characters or objects that can affect structures with a number of dimensions equal to the cardinal aleph-2, which in practical terms also equals a level that completely exceeds Low 1-A structures to the same degree that they exceed High 1-B and below. This can be extrapolated to larger cardinal numbers as well, such as aleph-3, aleph-4, and so on, and works in much the same way as 1-C and 1-B in that regard. Also note that Joker has Immeasurable-tier speed, which is one tier above infinity. I'll give you a pass with those mistakes though, since I assume you aren't super familiar with how to do cosmology scaling.

PSA that Pyra and Mythra are not literal swords. "Blade" is used almost to describe like a species some of the characters belong to

@@newgoog9423 Ngl, I feel like this is the stuff that makes people regard the hobby as 100% nonsense. Especially the tone of treating people not doing this stuff as "Making mistakes". It makes the entire hobby unapproachable, and I can loosely guarantee, people's eyes are going to glaze over long before they hit the point of talking about "6-dimensional real coordinate spaces".

There’s also the fact that one of the main series games says that kirby is “a pink blob of infinite power” os something like that

And he can purpously acces that pocket dimension and use any power he has stored in there, meaning if he absrobed a good chunk of hair of Bayonetta Best believe Bayonetta 4 protagonist is Kirby but *far beyond what a boundless beign is*

Also if you’ve ever played star allies mini games he sends a meteor hundreds or thousands of LIGHTYEARS

He's massively overrated

Kirby could have even fights with OP 30s cartoon characters like Popeye

hmm

I have you know that the pink ball is still not fully grown.

The hedgehog it's still a teen, still growing in power, and able to defeat anybody he encounters, it doesn't matter how experienced they are, he will just beat them

​@@Hugo-yz1vb No Limits Fallacy says what?

@@dippin4dots It says that Kirby ate your mom

I imagine adult Kirby to have a torso with buff arms but his feet stay the same

Nope it would just be Something like Meta Knight, maybe angel wings?

I thought they rewrap their spring arms back to regular looking arms

Yeah spring arms are a genetic defect, they aren’t fake.

It’s the masks. The masks let them control their arms

Arms lore is wild. There's a condition that just causes people to wake up with long, rubbery, arms that they can't really move without a special device. Then they use their new ability to move their arms to punch people.

Actually, the condition isnt restrain to the arms, it could be your hair as a mutation and the principal symptoms is spiral iris in the eyes

I mean its just Mario with a PHD

@@elilopez6260a pill hurling degree?

​@@hyperjank5129 ...Damn that one was good!

​@@hyperjank5129👏👏👏👏

My only possible argument for him is, in Smash, Dr. Mario is considered a separate character, but in the actual Mario series? Outside of MAYBE Mario Kart Tour, they’re one and the same. So, he probably falls under the same umbrella as the Miis and Mr. Game & Watch.

Smash Bros is for children? 🤔 I don't see many children playing this! More like teens and above up to people in their late 30s!

"Childrens game" is a misnomer at this point. The correct term would be "family friendly", meaning something that can be enjoyed by everyone in the family, not just kids.

Video Game Powerscaling do be like that

@@1yoshi426 Of course it is. But saying it’s a children’s game sounds a lot funnier in this context than saying it’s a family friendly game so please let me have my haha joke. Thanks! :)

@Aidswayz my reply was to dancercow, I deleted the @ but I guess it caused more confusion

Sakurai bias in full effect

Ok now hear me out. Kirby.

​@@NoodleHoennBlah blah blah kirby strong god killer yadah yadah yadah

@@NoodleHoenn Sakurai made Kirby alongside Pit. Sakurai confirms here that Pit is stronger than Kirby.

@kingvideogames Actually no, Sakurai was behind Kid Icarus Uprising, but Pit had already had two other games long before Uprising or even Brawl. Sakurai isn’t responsible for Pit's creation.

While Mac did beat Donkey Kong, I think it's save to say that DK was holding back a lot. His animations during that fight look like he's swinging his arms without much use of his power and if he would have gona all out, the entire boxing ring including the building would break.

@@unskilledgamer3642 I swear there was a statement somewhere where it says dk was not being fully serious or though it was just a game I friggin forgot where tho

@@unskilledgamer3642 Little Mac's win is also a prime example of an outlier. Additionally, if DK tried killing Little Mac, he would've been disqualified.

@@justjames4honestly probably not. Those boxing rules are lenient as hell People are bringing in literal bricks in boxing gloves and shit

@@somestupiddudewithayoutube4676 Although the boxing rules in the game are lenient, I'm sure being a threat to the planet goes over the line.

Right, but no regret

Enby Kirby supremacy

@@interguy5846canonically enby Kirby supremacy Can’t believe they made Kirby angry and a man in America

Funny he didn’t even mention forgotten land

Would you call a fucking rock "non-binary"? Stop using children's game characters to prop up your fragile worldview.@@foggy8298

@@Morbius-Tension Or that Planet Robobot just straight up says Kirby has infinite power.

Yeah he's literally at least A tier if you include the anime

Could you imagine if Alax took account of every form of media from all these franchises? Anime, manga, live action, movies, books... where do we draw the line?

@@TheRealBatabii I feel like the one other source for what a Falcon Punch does outside Smash kind of matters tbh

@@TheRealBatabii issue is that from what I understand, the anime is very much cannon, and with so little to go off of with the games he may as well throw in that little extra step. It's not like the work hasn't been done for him either, he said himself that others calculate his power level to be much higher than he put the captain and even death battle did an episode on him (in which they come to the conclusion that c. Falcon beats a fighting game character... A category of characters he was ranked as weaker than).

In a Smash Bros trailer he is stated to be at least stronger than Chrom

Pretty sure his inventory is hammerspace so he's not actually carrying that much. Unless you have an actual reason to think he's actually carrying that much, like him moving slower when he's carrying more weight or him pressing down more on some material if he's carrying more?

a zombie can still kill him¯\_(ツ)_/¯ (or are you going to say that the mobs/crossbow are on the same level as him?)

@@guii6545 a zombie could kill practically anyone on this list, they just have to stand still like an idiot lol

​@@guii6545a Goomba can kill Mario. An octorok can kill Link. A pirate can kill Marth. Many characters can die to simple enemies because they can harm them while undermining their best

@@phantomblue2798 ok, good point

Yeah was playing the remake of metroid prime 1 and theres literal ghosts

Bird magic

Yeah, such a waste...

I think it's still the same, olimar at the bottom and Kirby at the top

@@carso1500 Kirby gets overpowered by Kazuya in the trailer. Mario and Kirby are consistently shown to he equals throughout the smash series. Kirby wouldn’t be so elite that way. Olimar would still be close to the bottom though.

And can uproot and carry full grown trees after eating any food

Steve is in the same boat bc he can lift 500 billion pounds without being encumbered

@@johannesdunlap2487 not to mention break a solid block of diamond... with his bare fists

@@johannesdunlap2487 I feel like Steve's 500 billion pounds is better explained by simple hammerspace inventory than being a strength feat. Like, don't get me wrong, Steve IS strong enough to break a block of anything with his fists, but he isn't established to actually be able to carry 500 billion pounds.

Laughs in RPGs with unlimited inventory space

same being a bayonetta fan. Love characters just being unexplainably strong for the sake of looking cool.

Si dedede no fuera poseido tantas veces, estaría en un puesto más alto xd

It's just the King DeDeDe laughter.

amen brother

Good for you. But to be honest, he doesn't even crack top 5. Joker Shulk, Sora, Bayonetta, Sonic (Comic version) is the only ones to be on Tier 1 of the power scaling tier.

Counter point Just get a super soaker

That's rad

OH REALLT! Wow! I loved your voice acting! DQXI is my 2nd favorite game of all time!

@@gavout1511 Yeah it was really crazy, and they even spelt my name wrong in the credits! But still, it was an awesome experience. Maybe I should pick up the game again, this video has inspired me.

And also completely disregarded his anime despite including anime for several other characters

Please keep in mind that all of the blocks mentioned (except water) can float in mid-air

Don't forget he kills 2 gods, the ender dragon and the wither

Nothing besides water should count here, because it is not affected by gravity in the game and therefore wouldn’t take much weight to carry. Also, it doesn’t really matter how much he can carry when he still can’t hit with anything stronger than a sword and can barely survive a single tnt exploding.

*Vietnam war flashbacks*

Any overpowered being: Oh my god a universe ending event! I must stop this! Kirby: Oh my god, LUNCH.

"Locals god ruins strawberry pie, gets annihilated. More at 11."

Dedede may be a joke to Kirby, but he's definitely no slouch to combat. My dude can nearly beat Kirby on a one on one in multiple occasions (thought I guess that one is up to the player). The more impressive thing is the fact he can actually take said beatings from the pink puff,

So just like meta knight he's up there just not listed

King DDD causally lifting all the stars in the universe by himself in 1 night

That's the biggest perk of being a Kirby character: you're OP for no reason, even hanging out with Kirby can make you powerful.

@@Hugo-yz1vbjust want to remind everyone BandanaDee assisted Kirby in duelling the grim reaper (Morpho Knight) and also helped hit Satan with a truck

@@itsturniptime3699 Also Bandana can solo Void.

It's not confirmed that he created the universe in his stomach, just that his stomach is linked to an alternate universe. How this happened is unknown and likely falls under voodoo doll rules and thus may not affect his strength. (Powerscaling is fun and stupid and serious all at once)

Medusa is equal to Palutena...so is Viridi and let's just say that her feats were...underwhelming...to say the least, at most having the reset bombs made by one of her commanders that fire can destroy.

Well, not universes. The highest we can assume just from what we see from Hades’s stomach is that is the equivalent size of multiple solar systems

​@@lucaantinori4834pit literally survived a explosion that send him on the other side of the galaxy which has been calc to planet level with him having to have the three sacred treasures to even stand against medusa

I remember them saying she previously beat Medusa too ngl

They're debatably stronger than Shulk since they actually use their godly powers. Plus, Shulk's vision abilities aren't entirely his own power, but then you get into weird territory of what should count as "his own" abilities.

Yeah but Kirby takes that ability

Kirby eats that shit up for breakfast.

@@jonnySmashes No one's disagreeing that Kirby is busted, just that pyra and mythra are stronger than most realize.

Pyra/Mythra should defenitely be in the same tier as Shulk at least.

My understanding is that he's interpreting the Zelda characters as the specific iteration of the character that makes it into Smash. In other games - Ocarina of Time, the Wind Waker - Zelda is at least capable of temporarily restraining Ganondorf which would probably place her in B tier; but specifically the Link Between Worlds version of the character doesn't really have any feats to speak of, which really hurts her placement.

Huh I thought it was Robin based on the connection to Grima since he had the title "God of Annihilation", yea yours makes more sense

@@RivusCorvusyou could be right, I was making a wild guess. My only reason as for why it’s Zelda specifically is cause he “doesn’t have the heart to tell us” which to me sounds like “I put a god so low on this list that it’s sad, so it’s probably a character that deserves to be in that tier regardless of title.” He could be referring to Robin, but I feel like he would admit Robin as a God in the video at least, since being a reincarnation of a literal death dragon god is worth mentioning. But at the same time he IS saying he’s probably low balling Robin, so who knows? He could be referring to him, and I don’t wanna say I’m right

@@Jose_Ruiz932 but the thing is, are dragon gods from fe really true gods? Since they’re basically just dragons the original goddess gave a lot of power to to rule after she left. And that’s the thing, gods are a nebulous term, with various levels of power depending on the setting.

shouldn’t that also count for sheik?

As a stupid poweracaling nerd who has several qualms with this list. I agree it's just stupid fun and a "perfect" list would need several years of research, and an entire series to explain and justify character placements. Several characters here have arguments to get above Kirby. (Such as joker who scales to yaldaboath who manipulates the meta verse which is the unconscious mind if humanity which is it's own universe which is dimensionally superior to our own and contains platonic concepts I think?) But non of it really matters

​@@Tankirbhell no he put Mario and Luigi below a Samus which he listed only planet level feats that a big low ball I am fine if you don't believe multiversal to complex multiversal Mario and Luigi but bare minimum they should be planet to star level in your list

​@@Tankirbeh, Another Dimension from Kirny is an extra-dimensional road that exists beyond the spacetime continuum, with infinite possibilities and is mid in terms of the higher ends of Kirby power.......yeah these debates will never end lol

@@gameuniverse5973 hey dude. You gotta chill. You can be correct but you will never convince anybody if you're this aggressive. Instead explain why you believe Mario and Luigi are that strong. I'm genuinely interested to hear since I haven't done to much research on them.

@@Tankirb dreamy Bowser absorb the dream stone the dream stone is stated to contain all dreams with it being said that dreams are universal constructs in the game with base Mario and Luigi beating him we know life exist out in the Mario universe as well so he absorb millions of not billions of universes This can get to complex since in Mario party there a thing called the dream depot which is stated to be infinity in size containing dreams There two statements that says every Mario is the same and all Mario games are canon so that would mean it would all be valid

And he does it allll with the power of Friendship

This is a misconception. Void Termina, having became conscious for the first time after reincarnating, took inspiration from Kirby, which was in conflict with the darkness that Void Termina previously absorbed from Hyness to become reincarnated. Void Termina was the incarnation of this god, not Kirby. They are two different characters. Despite the previous paragraph, it can be vaguely reasoned that Kirby and Void Termina are directly related to Dark Matter. Void, a neutral incarnation of the god that you're referring to in a mostly parallel timeline, still had Kirby's face and was still capable of transforming into a Dark Matter entity, even if there were no characters present to have given Void a reason to absorb their attributes, possibly implying that those are inherent characteristics. However, we don't know what events occurred leading up to the Void battle, due to it taking place in the boss rush that is The Ultimate Choice, where the only story is pause screen descriptions that give background about the opponents rather than descriptions of the context surrounding the fights in the alternate timeline.

Common misconception, Kirby is not a reincarnation, but rather an incarnation. The thing that he is an incarnation of did not stop existing when Kirby was created.

and he is an infant because of said reincarnation

Watch the "Kirby is not a reincarnation of Void • Kirby series" playlist. Only 2 videos so far but more coming.

He beat shadow? (Yes I know I have basically 99% in forgotten Land just missing the final arena and the capsules

Hence why he said if pneuma was included she'd be S tier LOL The conduit power is wacky and its fantastic :)

Hilariously, the conduit, if the zohar, theoretically has absolute probability manipulation, which is absurder.

@@alphanbuster9292I’m not science minded person, but considering multiple characters drawing from the Conduit possessed some degree of foresight, and there ability to change those predictions…. Not to mention that Pneuma matched Jin’s speed by rewriting the laws of physics in the immediate vicinity. I’d say it’s definitely in the wheelhouse.

Just to be clear, infinite energy is somehow one of the _least_ impressive things the conduit/zohar can do. Phenomenon Phase Shift is on a whole other level and is just straight reality warping. And Pneuma (strictly speaking, only Pyra and Mythra's _Core Crystal,_ but not themselves)'s primary job is literally to control the darn thing along with her two siblings.

Yes! Someone said it! Hope in the January stream, my boi gets the recognition he deserves!

Same case with ROB as the Ancient Minster. It was even accepted into Smash canon that he is the last of his kind since all of the other ROB models were destroyed as of Subspace

January stream?@@benjaminthewolf

Nevermind, read the top comment. lol

1: the game and watch systems exist and 2: Rob is a toy IRL that can interact with certain games.

Thanks to the new minigames in Return to Dreamland Deluxe, King Dedede, Meta Knight and Bandana Waddle Dee are all planet busters now.

The fact that dedede can hold his own against kirby is proof enough. Granted, he loses, but still😂. Now imagine if this was the actual tier list for smash😅😅😅😅

@@charliecomer6001 In Dedede's defense, he's fought Kirby multiple times and is still alive. Void Termina, Star Dream, Fecto Elifis etc... didn't survive Kirby, but this madlad of a penguin did.

You think is bogus until he solos dark meta knight.

Wait till he hears about sora

So what your saying is that if you gave Kirby a gun, his neutral special could well and truly be a gun.

So a Saitama character. Growing beyond whatever it needs to just to win

@@tuskedclover3308 I guess that’d be a good way to put it. I don’t know much about Saitama but I’m not surprised if that’s how he works

Actually if we look at the Japanese version of that description it’s more similar to he always finds a way to win, which is much crazier than infinite power

@@DDoodles_ 😱😱😱😱

I love how he included the KoF laser deflecting feat, but not the Splatoon one.

i love splatoon and its lore but i can't see inklings being any higher than high D tier. especially considering he isn't talking about ANY of the agents.

Good argument but... can they defeat a bottle of water?

I kinda agree that inkling's placement felt a bit low (though I don't blame Alax for that, there's just not a lot to go off of in terms of feats). But just looking at pure gameplay, they have the ability to phase directly through solid meshes by going into squid form, and somehow they're able to jump hundreds of feet in the air with super jumps. The only reason they're so low is because it's assumed that the ink-based weapons they use can't harm non-inklings, but with that same line of thinking it's questionable if conventional attacks would even harm an inkling in turn. In swim form inklings might just be bullet proof as the bullet passes through them like water, and if they can be completely unphased after hitting the ground faster than terminal velocity, it's doubtful that any sort of physical impact would hurt them that much. And that's not even mentioning the fact that they can canonically respawn. Like yeah sure that's a thing in most every game, but in Splatoon you actually have physical respawn machines that everyone uses to play turf war (it's not just an unexplained mechanic there only for the sake of gameplay).

​@@squiddler7731easy thing to disprove the jelly microphone thing was planning on using a giant ink cannon to destroy a entire city with the bad ending confirming it with it saying the entire city of inkopolis is destroyed The giant zapfish is used to generate energy for a entire city with it being used by the villain as it main thing to power up his machines with the chars being able to survive hits and hurt it

Except he's a dumb pathetic Disney baby child I HATE KINGDOM HEARTS

An alternate Sephiroth*

@@What_QuestionMark Its still sephiroth

@@zanyboi969 Yeah, but no. They don't scale the same way. I believe regular Sephiroth is leagues ahead of KH Sephiroth

@@What_QuestionMark probably because In kh sephiroth wields his sword with his right hand dispite him being left handed most likely because he doesnt take sora seriously or see him enough as a threat to use his full power on him and even so It doesnt Invalidate my other points

This is pretty true. Fans who understand Kirby beyond “he kills gods” are aware of that.

actually, that is the very reason he gets overrated so much

@@antimatterstudios8395tf you mean overrated?

​@IdespiseGenZandGenAlpha OH NO KIRBY IS NOW ANGRY! WE'RE ALL GONNA DIE!

@@TopTierGamerMan People lose their minds saying "Kirby is a god killer" yet no-one cares that Sonic defeated a 4th dimensional god

Bro was here 40 mins before the video went live 💀

Nah, High A tier is cool

I'm good his Rank is alright, Kirbo 1# as he should be.

I’m pretty satisfied with his placement honestly. Very proud of my boy!

​@@Cloke100​Except he shouldn't be, while 90% of the feats Alax stated are outliers, Void Termina for example, but even without the outliers, the biggest feat is Magolor, which makes him Low Multiversal, characters like Mario, Luigi, Sora, are all COMPLEX Multi, while Kirby should be high, other's should be higher.

He's maybe a ft tall bro

Do you love that?

Do we REALLY need to include that to prove how strong Kirby is, though?

@@DrSuperLuigiSeth1 yeah You absolutely do

Its amazing how people equate the idea of a physical being being able to create a pocket dimension to ultimate power full stop. You could draw up a villain who can make a pocket dimension but is otherwise a completely normal mortal human being and people would be like “GUYS HE BEAT THE GUY WHO COULD MaKe A pOcKeT dImEnSiOn! 🤡”

"Hi!" ✨

I have yet to see a character more powerful than Kirby in ANY fictional universe.

@@justjames4 hello my friend :)

@@NottSaying there’s so many characters that are more powerful than him. Anti Spiral, Monika, Joker (Persona 5), Shulk, Sonic, Bugs Bunny, One Above All, etc.

dont care, saitama negs

Dang right!!!

Exactly

Facts

Have you ever watched Death Battle? It's a popular KZfaq series that analyzes characters in this way that you wrote interests you.

He really dint use any of the actual crazier stuff of the chars in smash like complex multiversal Mario,outer joker and Mario, hyperversal sonic, universal dark Samus,and much more

@@justjames4 Oh of course I've heard of Death Battle. The "multiple newtons of force" line for Wario was actually for a Mario Power Tennis measurement they did for I believe Mario vs. Sonic 2. Used to avidly watch their stuff but kinda fell out of of for no real specific reason and just tune in when they feature a character I know/like.

@@castform7 Alright, thanks for the brief chat. 👍

@@justjames4 No problem, right back at ya.

she uses a lot of those powers that she gives to pit in smash bros, though. Sakurai making it clear she can use them herself. The reason Sakurai made Palutena not survive the laser thing in World of Light was cause he didn’t want to force new players to play a relatively “gimmicky” character or something like that.

@@lokouba Yeah, but Smash doesn’t count. I was talking about Kid Icarus Uprising.

@@g.masterlordoftheg-force4770 It should count in the sense that Smash is directed by Sakurai himself and it’s pretty much confirmation from the creator of both smash and kid icarus that Palutena is capable of using these abilities she grants to Pit.

@@lokouba Well, yes, but Smash also does things like give characters Final Smahes where they do things they have never done before. Also, I do agree that she can use them. They are her powers. Why wouldn’t she be able to use them?

@@g.masterlordoftheg-force4770 Let exclusively Sakurai’s characters enjoy that privilege. For the other characters i can understand the logic of not accepting smash feats as canon.

In gameplay, you need to be at max affinity with a full party guage, which could qualify as a "power buildup", plus it's limited to about a minute in most battles. On the other hand, Mythra was able to spontaneously assume the form with no fanfare when asked to help Jin, which absolutely had zero power buildup. After reaching Elysium, they maintain the Ascended State permanently in main story cutscenes as well, even if gameplay wise nothing changes. There is a transformation scene, but it's not that long and it's only used for the very first appearance. (Poppi gets a _much_ longer transformation sequence for a significantly less important power up.)

Mythra forming was probably the disabilities of Addam as her driver, which caused Mythra to form and not the full Pneuma. It seems like Pneuma's core crystal was arguably meant to have 2 personalities, due to Aion being colored in the colors of both Pyra and Mythra, as opposed to just Mythra.

​@@zoharshaked726 The Aion having two colors might just be a foresight shinanigan. Pay attention to the DLC scene where Mythra foreseen the future with Rex and you can see. Mythra see Pyra together with Rex when in reality Pyra should not be a thing at that point in time yet. Mythra only create Pyra AFTER she saw Milton death which happen after that foresight scene. Its kinda like a paradox if you think about it. As for Mythra power, id say she and Pneuma is one and equal. Every aegises have two names, the one people use to address them and their real name, Alvis is Ontos, Logos is Malos and Pneuma is Mythra. Mythra is Pneuma and vise versa, Pneuma power displayed in the main game is also Mythra power at is fullest, the only reason Mythra seam weaker than Pneuma is because the deliberately held back to protect the people around her. The power that Mythra displayed in the DLC with Adam is her one and true power, its just that Adam cant really control the power because he lack knowlege and Mythra losing control of herselves. Think of it like using the Monado in xeno 1, outside of Shulk who is the chosen one and being a god vessal, anyone who tried to use Monado including Dunban, who is hail as homes hero and strongest, all have to pay the price with their body.

Just only this part "Sonic is VERY fast, but there's an entire level in colors dedicated to showing he is nowhere near fast enough to escape a black hole, which means he's nowhere close to lightspeed no matter how much he gases himself up." One: sonic was closer and he was sucked in by the growth of the black hole and not the gravitation pull it's self which sonic resist for 30 seconds enough until the size of the black catch him Two: it can be just an outlier/anti feat as he did escape/resist gravitation pull from other black holes in games like shuffle and Riders and lost World and even colours itself the DS version of nega wisp armour using violet wisp black hole ability (who can bend time and space) with boost can resist it's gravitation pull

Couldn't agree more.

​@khalidsaeedali8756 A black hole is still a black hole regardless of size, and still sucks up light in all forms. Heck, it's arguable that thing was even a black hole, and really just a bunch of Nega-Wisp energy spilling out at a very visible pace.

The only reason Sonic didn't escape the black hole was because he was literally running out of ground. He only got sucked in because the black hole absorbed all of the ground in wich he was standing. He didn't got pulled in by it's gravitational pull nor had his atoms and molecules teared apart by it's reality warping, nor the be separated from the grounf in wich he was running on. Outside of that, the rest of what you said is accurate.

​@@monstermaker73I'm not saying it was a fake black hole I'm saying he only gets sucked by the growth of it not the gravitation pull The manual and prime guide state it was black hole and even if it was from wisps power one of them are Violet Wisp can bend time and space which is black hole power

And he's just a baby. Metaknight is the same species so we can see what kirby *could* look like. He can have wings, hands and higher level of intelligence ie speaking full sentences. Also, between fighters 2 and forgotten land it appears that kirby got a growthspurt. He's just under 3 feet, being the same size of a wheel on a truck.

@@FierceDeity35I now imagine Kirby saying give me food or I will destroy your planet in a Spanish accent

I’ve honestly always hated that fact. If Kirby was only a few cm tall, that would mean that Adeleine, the cartoonish but human child, is like a foot tall or something.

Smash bros trophy descriptions are not canon. Kirby is taller then 20 cm

​@@FierceDeity35Yo siento que kirby es más similar a Gooey que a Meta knight. Meta knight no posee habilidad de copiar cosas y Gooey sí aunque no tengan la misma apariencia

Killing a god is not that impressive of a feat in video games. Shulk killed Zanza, Joker killed Yaldabaoth and Azathoth, Bayonetta killed Jubileus and Aesir, Sora killed Xeanhort with the X Blade, Sonic killed Solaris among other gods, Ness killed Gigygas, etc

Where is this from?

Not to mention he constantly bodies not just gods and dimension warpers but actual higher dimension beings. All alone may I add.

@@edgarjuarez2241in Kirby canvas curse Drawcia have one attack named erase beam(or something like that) and Kirby don't suffer from that attack, and we can't say isn't canon because the developers said that everything Kirby does in a not canon universe (like canvas curse) Kirby can do in the canon universe

This I agree. ​@@Lucas-nu1dv

This whole box is full of Pepe Sylvia!

Another correction /kill @e

If we go by the novels, which whether they are canon or not should still take place in the same universe, and as such should be considered unless contradicted by the game itself, The physics in minecraft's world are... wonky, to put it lightly. All the items steve picks up are turned into essentially playing cards: "That's when I realized they not only shrunk, but flatened and stacked themselves together like playing cards." (The Island), and are shown to be practically weightless: "By the time I finished stripping all three trees, I managed to stack 12 compressed saplings in just one compartment. And, might I add, at zero weight!" (The Island). This strange physics system makes it extremely hard to gauge how physically strong the Minecraft players are in our own real world measurements

Technically not true if you count the cannon novels 😢

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Someone didn't watch until the end of the video lol

The only continent they were responsible for destroying was Torna, the second of the three to fall. The first one was Malos, the third was Amalthus, and all three were attributed to Pyra/Mythra by Amalthus trying to save his own skin. Even so, this is on the lower end of Pneuma’s full potential. After all… it’s hard to fight against something that can manipulate the laws of physics on a local level.

@@RTMP_ of course this is the lower ends of pneuma, because this all happened with just Mythra!

@@FreyjaThAwesome1 Mythra was directly channeling Pneuma’s power and was immediately overwhelmed by it, losing control of herself in the process. That lack of control, ironically, might be the only thing that kept Mythra from completely vaporizing Torna, as her single-minded desire to destroy Malos and his Siren took over all rational thought she would need to properly utilize it.

All of that just to get Neg diffed by popeye

One of the final bosses of bravely default also use zettaflare bringing the number up to three SPOILERS And if I remember correctly they only gained the ability to do so cause their leader (who at that point in the game is trying to break into the real world by consuming every dimension where the games story takes place including the worlds of other players) gave them the power to do it

Exaflare in 13-2 requires three Bahamuts to be present. Otherwise they use Teraflare(with two alive), or Gigaflare(with one alive). The fact that Donald can cast something significantly stronger on his own is…frankly, terrifying.

And isn't Zettaflare capable of destroying Multiple Alternate Timelines in a single cast in Bravely Default I heard that happens so Donald's a Multiverse buster on paper

​@@aozorahaou2643No.

Worst part is when you consider the fact that Donald charged the zettaflare so fast terranort could even dodge it. A guy who moves faster than light. Fully charged and shot a guy, that moves faster than light, and vaporized him. Trully horrifying

The only limits to fiction within its unreality is human imagination, but sometimes, how fiction is framed can lead to incorrectness. In a person's own fan-fiction and headcanons, anything goes, but in a discussion analyzing the original material of someone else's story for evidence that factually exists, if a person makes a claim about the original material that they believe to be true even if there is an inconsistency or contradiction in their reasoning, then it's reasonable for other people to disagree or even consider the claim as wrong. Reasoning can be flawed, or it can be put in the wrong place.

I enjoy this video less for the actual ranking and more to hear more about the cool stuff that the various characters did, and for others to hear about the cool stuff that my favourites did. It's why I'm not upset that my favourite was only B-tier, since the explanation for why included so much information that you rarely get to hear outside the series specific communities.

Manual and info book disproves that and the fighting game also disproves that

Supernova appears to work like summons (since reality crumbling away in Supernaova is similar to how other summons start). In the Crisis Core Complete Guide it's explained that summons takes you to a pocket/alternate dimension where the summon is happening. So Supernova works by taking the foe to a point in time where the attack is happening, not really illusory or something Sephiroth creates himself.

​@@tytyfamilygamer14they still tank a damn supernova

Nope, they have never said that.

@@tytyfamilygamer14 In the Final Fantasy VII Ultimania, Sephiroth is stated to have created the dimension Supernova takes place in, and is implied to control the meteor that blows up the Sun (Dissidia also says that Supernova destroys its dimension and reaches into other dimensions). The FF7 Ultimania also makes both the International and Japanese versions of Supernova canon, and Sephiroth creates the Supernova directly in the JP version.

I'll said it before and I'll repeat it, the reason heroes are ranked the same or lower than the villians is because either the heroes win because of numerical advantage on their team of they get lucky with the battlefield.

​@@lucaantinori4834multiversal calcs of base Mario and Luigi existing also young Yoshi beat adult Bowser who can take the galaxy getting destroyed

I was gonna say that Yoshi only beat a baby version of Bowser but then I remembered Yoshi’s new Island and DS exist

​@@lucaantinori4834to be fair present bowser tore through time and space into the past to fight yoshi and still lost

​@@lucaantinori4834I mean, no?, like Mario and Luigi can beat Bowser's ass anyday of the week

Sora is universal, and so are many characters in KH. This list is trash

@@MatthewCJoy and he put sora in high A witch is universe level and doesn't compare to characters like kirby who kills gods because they stole a single slice of cake like every other week and has infinite power

She can't be called "arguably strongest character" when she hasn't even fought or defeated strong opponents. Rosalina also doesn't create galaxies, the lumas do. They had been doing it long before she met them as a child. They simply accepted her as a "Mother", but she has no hand in what they do besides taking care of them until they can do their job. As it's mentioned in the video, it means little when she doesn't use this "immense power" notably. Couldn't defeat Bowser in the Galaxy games and Mario/Luigi did all the fighting, and in the alternate Rabbids universe, she gets possessed by Cursa and makes a team effort to overcome it. Peach has a higher win count than she does.

Sora is outer guys

Exactly bro can bench press multiverses but bro put him in the superhuman tier. At worst he should be high A tier at best S tier🤦‍♂@@Powernogrief