Humans wake up when they finally stop agreeing to the things that insult their souls

"Monotheism: The Original New World Order." Totally agree.

Had I seen this a few years ago I would have rejected the idea of the 'demiurge' outright. But I have come to realise the extent of the dark. If you don't try to understand the nature of evil, you won't get an accurate picture of the world or its history. I've spent a long time researching psychopathy in the corridors of power, (a key text is Lobaczewski's 'political ponerology') and I can tell you now, the way things are in this chaotic civilization-game is pretty fixed! It's almost rigged, because even if you were to somehow build an incorruptible utopia here on earth, certain types of neurologically amoral and behaviourally defective humans will keep on popping up and exploiting human compassion - they're like symbiotic parasites in nature. The common man with a conscience is sentenced to oppression indefinitely. It doesn't matter what doctrine they hide behind, the corrupt will always distort good ideas into an oppressive edifice. When you get to this stage in my thinking, the concept of a devil or the demiurge is not crazy. It's no more crazy than the world today and our unresearched complacency. Seems to me, the early-christian-ascetics and groups like the Cathars were very in tune with 'Reality minus the sugar-coating'. I know most will find the gnostic worldview very depressing and anti-life...that might be because it's too accurate. We'd much rather pretend that pandora's box was never opened while we all live on the happy side of youtube. Alas. (I miss you Sesame street)

24:33 is the summed up depth of the whole discussion. Perfectly executed, and resonates with my personal experience completely. Indescribable.

Jesus came to save us from this prison. 1 Timothy 4:10 10 That is why we labor and strive, because we have put our hope in the living God, who is the Savior of all people, and especially of those who believe.

One problem with the demiurge concept within the framework of (theism) believing in (or the mythology of) god, gods, deities, etc. is that the highest god can still be blamed. He isn't off the hook, because he allowed the demiurge to create this flawed world. He is still responsible for all of this. He just has a middle man between him and the world.

We were created by gods (elohiym)".

Well presented and explained. Thank you. The best explanation of our existence and why suffering exists.

Dr. Stephan, ❤❤❤ Thank you.

Hey, this is good material. Not easy to find on the Tubes. I salute you.

"Crazy making". Lol. I love Eastern European dialects of English. I learned chess from a man who had similar expressions. Great video!

This is a gem! Nicely explained.

Two gods are better than one, but three gods are the same as one.

Its talking about energy. Everything is energy.

Everything that was said was like the loveliest music to my ears. I consider myself a Gnostic, based on what I have learned and experienced throughout my life. I had no idea the description was about Gnosticism. PROOF TO ME of what is TRUTH. It was revealed after seeing the video !! Dr. Hoeller was informative and enjoyable to listen to.

Very interesting. Thanks Stephan.

Very important message, thanks for the upload! Hungarians are related to the Turan groups, also the Cathars were a part of these groups all over Asia... Ancient Greeks learned everything from these wise beings...♥

Thank you!

Dr. Höller transfers the problem one rank higher. His Gnostic thought suggests him that there is another God higher than the Demiurge which is good. This perfect God allows though the Demiurge to experiment with living beings' suffering. The question emerges: why?

Good video!

The picture at 8:19 says it all!

3:11 - I did chortle at how the uploader has added an annotation over the incorrect spelling of 'original' with ANOTHER incorrect spelling of it.

Thoughts based on the listen, it seems the creator of this world is not working with the full toolset, meaning a limited source of energy, hence we have nature feeding on itself, maybe the demiurge is not cruel, just limited, but from our perspective nature is cruel. Nature is hence operating without access to the quintessence, where as we have that access, that spark as Mr Hoeller would say. Likewise, I would like to ask Mr Hoeller, does not the limitation and cruelness of nature, and the suffering of our existence teach us what a purely spiritual world cannot? Is there not wisdom inherent in the very limitation we bemoan, perhaps this is part of a greater process towards a non-dual state wherein individuality and variety remains intact? In simplest terms can one know hot without experiencing cold? I find myself teetering between the two viewpoints above.

The world is the way it is because man would not learn to be just and loving if everything was perfect. Also hardship opens up new problem solving pathways in the mind and breeds character. God knows we would still find a way to hate each other even if he put us in perfect conditions. We would not respect or appreciate perfection any more than a 16 year old being handed a set of keys to a new Corvette that he didn't earn. He would dog it out like a rental car because he didn't work to get it.

Thank You for saying it. We are the divine enticed with false images. Even the creator catches a show every now and then.

God doesn't allow it, people accept it.

that was soooo deep,where the early chrsitan believe that Jesus is that demiurge ??

There was 5 worlds before this one a cosmos of chaos

The Demiurge is the Archangel Michael the creator he is the Sun,the Achons are the 7 Archangels the 7 pillars of creation, The Archangel Michael is the image of the Father of all, the Most high, when the father of all being Mind decided it was time to make Matter he created the second mind the craftsman the second logos The Demiurge Michael which means Face of God his highest self his soul is in the Sun is lower self his body is in Saturn he loses his purity making Matter,He is not evil he does the will of the Most High ,

i like your talkings , CAN I Call you on Facebook or any app to discuss god ideas

i believe God exists and he sent his holy son in act that defines nature therefore supernatural so that we may be saved. i am absolutely a man of faith/belief/ and i expose myself to things to know. i respect you and your opinion you seem very wise

God made mankind because he likes stories. Not necessarily good or bad ones. Just like we create GTA games for our pleasure that have all kinds of debauchery. The best God imaginable would be one who is totally neutral. Not having any dog in the fight of your outcome, just curious.

The Jewish term 'mercy' does not equate with the Buddhist term 'compassion'.as Hoeller claims. The Jews are obsessed by guilt, shame,retribution and sacrifice - whereas the practising Buddhist has left these crude lower astral concepts behind to embrace 'compassion' - loving kindness for all living things. The Jewish notion of 'mercy' is a selfish idea concerned with internal forgiveness. The Buddhist term 'compassion' is a selfless idea - an expression of external universal love. Nevertheless, in spite of Hoeller's many shortcomings he may be regarded as a stepping stone between insanity and what is loosely (and erroneously) termed Gnosis - which no doubt he would be pleased to tell you equates with 'enlightenment'.

Interesting. From the two worlds only one is real and the other is an illusion. Therefor the Demiurge is only the maker of the illusion because it itself is an illusion. The only world which is real is the world of spirits. There is only one god (light) the rest is just shadows. Just my take on it. But i have to yet listen till the end.

According to this belief is Satan the just God and the Abrahamic God supposedly the evil one? Is this how it is according to this? Can someone please tell me, thanks.

Human behavior. Calling something evil because you dont understand it.

My biblical conclution so far: The suffering and evil on earth is human resposibility since we, the human beings, were given authority from the Creator (yes, the mercyfull and righteous one ) to rule (not over each other, but over everything else) on earth! His power were DELEGATED to mankind. It is our job! We were the ones who should take care of everything here! The heavenly things are the concern of God. One biblical reference is Genesis 1:28. So we should stop blaming God for the lack of justice among us, the job is not his, but ours! We may even teach and take care of both animals, fish and fowels. The heavens is Gods responsibility, the planet earth is ours. The light of the world also proclames the power we as human beings has, there are no contradistion between the Old and the New: According to Mark 2:10 The word from heaven said: "So that you may know that man (mankind) has the power to forgive...take up your bed and walk...". We as human beings are given a job from above, to take care of the world and to fill it with justice (and kids)! We do not need to be heavenly beings :). Let us be thankfull and spread light among us, instead of cursing the one who made us.

Why Karma? A better question would be 'why not Karma?', as Karma is empirically solidified around us right before our eyes, continuously, from the moment of our inception to the day of our demise. Why would we assume everything changes upon our not being there physically to observe it? Karma is cause and effect , simple as that- it is the evident interconnectedness of all phenomena (often time extending beyond our direct knowledge, hence the seeming senselessness of what is being observed)- nothing resides absent of causation and nothing is capable of not yielding results. Now, how many ugly, evil babies do you know of (I know of none)?. Another question: how many old crotchety, dastardly old bastards are there (many/most who make it that far typically fall under that classification by my best guess)? THAT is Karma- one does not need to go to some text for consultation and consensus, or require faith in something 'other than' their own capacity for observation and rational thought (falsified by inherent, self-sustaining, intuitive characteristics, also bestowed upon us (both situational and general) via causation/karma). Suffering is the process of development which fosters resilience and acts as an impetus to strive for satisfaction (to begin with), which ultimately/ideally turns into vehemence toward enlightenment, UNLESS the collective responses to the events encountered and involved in during one's life are unskillful, or in other words: they suffer poorly. Suffer well, and you will develop and grow- (toward what? -you might ask... now here is room for your God to step in and have something to say- wonder what his karma is all about?).

Polytheism is a fallacy. Who created these "gods". There must be only One or there a turtle upon turtle.

He says that the message in the new testament is very very different from that in the old testament. Sounds just about right for the mainstream christian today to believe such shallow doctrine even after the Lord said that he never changes, they'll nod their heads in approval of that fact at the same time as well. God never changes yet christians say he does by dividing God's character between two testaments thus people like this man have to come along with the strange alien believes of the gnostics and create even more confusion. The adversaries must be proud.

Why do all these people that make these videos have weird voices?

religion and delusion is the demiurge and the god created in the minds of these men are the creator of the demiurge. Humans invented sins and morality and laws. The only true God is omni this and omni that as you call it.

Free will. Its our fault