@UCeeOtOGvtgFnwGg0KYo61NQ yo is that actually saturn? like the gas planet??

saturn in da house

@@saturn9952 I'm a huge fan

'm sorry Bro but there was ZERO hateful language in that robocall. There is a case in court right now of a school covering up a rape where a boy wore a skirt and walked into the women's restroom and raped a 14 year old girl. The school covered it up and the boy was transferred to another school where he again went into the girls bathroom and raped a 13 year old . The school was afraid of trans-activist and at least one girls rape was completly preventable if not for this woke ass culture shift you people are pushing. The boy wasn't even presenting as a woman or anything he JUST PUT ON A SKIRT WALKED IN AND RAPED TWO GIRLS. NOW you've claimed there was hateful language in that call. You are going out of your way to bow down to these people by claiming that her very reasonable opinion was hateful speech aka hate speech. Cmon dude. I know your a lefty but you actually lied here and have hurt your credibility. Though most of slobbering masses wont catch this i and others certainly have. You're no longer to be trusted on the information you present. Which is sad because i always considered you a good journalist

SRA family .

Ikr disgusting 🤢🤮🤮

Don't you see that these people are also desperate . You have a seemingly perfect family and then out of nowhere you get involved in some controversy that can ruin your reputation and your image . People often forget that no one can be perfect and it is obvious that these people were egoistic and cared only about themselves and not their children . Can we stop pretending that the problem comes from the "individual" and start holding the groups that created such people accountable ?

@@jake9976 no. Pedophilia is never okay

@@jake9976 why do you want to excuse this pedo so bad?

@@jake9976 "nobody's perfect" does not apply to child exploitation lmfao, that's not a "little oopsie" you can be forgiven for

They had their childhoods stolen.

I doubt their mother was at fault. She was only there as a birthing canal. Jimbob was totally the one in charge of that.

THIS! I was coming here to say this. Plus the fact that these girls were forced to parent their siblings meant that they had even less time, energy, and brainpower to process their own trauma.

You are right about the sisters raising their younger siblings, but incorrect about the boys being encouraged to leave home. None of the Duggar boys were allowed to have regular jobs, join the military, or move out on their own until marriage. All but one or two are still reliant on JB for their livelihoods. Joseph was allowed to attend Crown College, a fundy college for one or two years, but no one else was allowed any real secondary education. JB stated on their series that he bought his 40 acres so that his kids could all build houses on his property and virtually never leave home. It didn't work out that way, but there are still some boys in the pipeline, so we'll see about them. What JB did not count on was one of the flaws in his plan. That by doctrine his daughters were "given" to their husbands who became the daughter's authority instead of JB, which means that the daughter now has to obey her husband. That's the only reason why Jill, Jinger, Joy and to some degree Jessa get to live a life free of JB's domination.

@@tomboyishtrainwreck both parents were equally at fault.

Right, they were taught to fear a trans person, when in fact it was their own brother who was unsafe

they are always always projecting when they are fervently calling lgbtq people those things. remember that.

It's disgusting on it's own. It's even more disgusting that we know what they and Josh has done.

Yet another example of right wing projection; just look at the entire Sound of Freedom debacle, the groomer panic shit, Qanon, Russell Brand, etc. The loudest voices crying "groomer" at trans people have been implicated in the worst crimes imaginable.

12 years? That’s all he got? This is a disgrace

The IBLP cult is called FAKE Christianity! It's patriarchal, and that's why girls and women are treated so badly! Jim Bob and Michelle love "Golden Boy" TOO MUCH, and that's why they defended him! It's absolutely disgusting!

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What the meaning of "is" is....

Neither Jim Bob nor Michelle could deal with reality! Jim Bob wanted child molesters to be executed, but NOT in the case of "Golden Boy!" Thankfully, he's now in prison where he belongs!

As an adult thats 18 years or more i think and does bad things to kids​@@NiniM8154

This really seems like it should be obvious to anyone with even half a brain. It makes me really sad that it isn't.

But keep in mind that Josh was the golden boy of the family. He probably had the most of a relationship with his parents due to being the first born and male. The family's culture teaches boys and men to fetishize purity, to expect access to sex, to assume they can't control their sexual urges, to have authority over women and children and that their sexual urges and mistakes are the fault of others. Is it really any wonder that men in these groups tend to be sexually abusive pedos? Their culture teaches them to be.

Being religious nut jobs doesn’t help matters either. It makes the situation worse because of the way that they think about the situation. They think their son is more important than their daughters.

You have to remember that the quiverfull people 1) believe that you should have as many kids as possible for the sake of "out breeding" non Christians hoping to overtake non religious and people of other religions. 2) that the quiverfull has an extremely high overlap with the brand of Christian fundamentalist that believes while you should TRY to follow Christ's teachings as long as you believe that christ is your savior that you are going to heaven without exception. You could be a child rapist serial killer but as long as you believe in Jesus you go to heaven in their eyes.

Quality not quantity

Easy, they just hate gay people and transgender people for being such.

2 moms isn't child abuse. Lesbians that have a poly relationship, in which they have sex partners in their house daily, and then taking those children to a drag show...and having their children place dollar bills into a transsexual strippers thong...that is a different story.

Conservatives are child abusers and blame lesbians and trans people not to mention everyone else just to cover up their power

American Christians friendo, they don't have the capability to make sense.

THIS !!!! And letting parents support their kids gender identity is seen as abuse too like ??

Not everyone chooses to have kids. Some happen by accident

@@matttzzz2that happens by having unprotected sex. They’re non-hormonal contraceptives such as condoms which they could’ve used. No one forced them to keep having so many kids.

​@@matttzzz2 it is painfully obvious this family chose to have as many children as they could. It was a goal of theirs. We aren't talking about most people in this case. We are talking about two people who used their children and then blamed it on religion.

Nearly all families with more than 1 kid will get at least somehelp from the older children but it's often not something they're forced to do. Our oldest daughter definitely helped us with her younger sister, who was 8 years younger, in big part bc she wanted to and enjoyed how close their bond grew the more she did with/for her sister. The youngest is now 10 and they are so much closer than I ever was to my siblings but we didn't force or demand any of it and our oldest has confidence about raising her own children in the future that she couldn't have gotten any other way. And, no, we are not church going people.

@@bradblumhof6917 11:45 - you should watch this section. this wasn't the same case as yours, unfortunately. it wasn't just "some help" :( they didn't have a choice. these girls literally became parents. good for your daughters, but this is different.

And Megan Kelly should have said he needs to get out. If he stays we go bye bye!!!

Agreed

​@@margaretburr7975Yep.

even before they fully realize what was done to them, they’re going to be confused & scared when they encounter triggers & have no idea why they make them feel scared. absolutely deplorable. sexual abuse is never excusable

I’m so sorry. You don’t deserve to be screamed at that. I used to smoke meth, I used to be a lush’s

I only remember some of my sexual abuse but it didn't stop it from having an effect on me. I dealt with being hyper sexual at a young age and thinking I was just weird or dirty instead of knowing that it was a trauma response. Jim Bob is just as evil as Josh even if he didn't touch little kids he justified it and allowed his kids and grandkids to be in an unsafe situation.

Didn't ask

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Anyone claiming to be perfect, religious or otherwise, is anything but.

If a woman has given birth 19 times, her vag ain't right.

@@daelen.cclark Ehh, some really are just wholesome and happy with their lifes. The issue is the religious part. Because religion, inheritly, by it's very nature, forces illogical rules upon someone to make them obey without questioning, otherwise they would face wildly unfitting punishment. So they can be easily controlled and exploited. To give money to people who do nothing but talk to some cloud guy all day. Seriously that shouldn't be a job that makes you money, it should be a hobby at most. And that is the most harmless iteration of it. That counts for every religion.

@@toolatetothestory if ya say you're perfect or happy or functional it's usually a lie. People who actually are don't boost about it.

To be brutally frank, the Christian part is the giveaway, because religion is a fantastic way to get people to do bad shit. You simply cherry pick and amplify all your petty biases and that's why the US in especially is dragging behind much of the rest of the western world in comparison. The sooner better critical thinking and better education happens to the US, the better.

Same. It's like you have the same people who criticize the LGBTQ+ community saying they're all this horrible things, promptly turning around and letting those around them or just others in general get away with those exact things your condemning this community for.

Statistically there has been more child a buse and SA in churches and amongst priests done to children than trans people have ever done to children. It's funny that the religious folk point their fingers at trans people as if they don't have endless skeletons in their religion. There's literally a new article everyday about how youth pastors or priests were either caught a busing children or outright trafficking them *in America alone.*

Literally just just /lgbt/ or bother googling crime statistics for trans identifying men. TiMs are either gay with horribly internalized homophobia or straight men who are addicted to porn. Well, they're both addicted to porn but the "transbians" hurt women more.

It’s because they don’t want to face the fact that abusers can come from all walks of life.

@@codyconnor6981facts

Some monsters use religion as a tool to do wickedness unto others, and call it righteousness.

That’s the truth

Man made religion that puts men over wombman is CORRUPT ON ALL LEVELS! Religion in my book means = Re-alignment with Nature. Male & Female on Equal standing fields with Strengths that compliment eachother

It's no coincidence that CSA is rampant in organized religion. That's the whole reason they organized, to make us slaves to their debauchery.

The IBLP cult is called FAKE Christianity! Using religion as an excuse to justify bad behavior is MUCH worse in cults!

I don't think that's controversial at all! People who have that many children almost always do it because they expect the older ones to raise the youngest, and having to be responsible and parent their siblings so young gives the older siblings no childhood. And for the younger siblings, it would be basically impossible for their parents to give them any actual attention and care when they have that many children to look after. And I haven't even touched on the economic struggle involved...

I agree

I agree. I find it selfish to have this many kids without any thought as to who's going to care for them. Parentification is so harmful as it takes life experiences and time away from older children because they always need to tend to their younger ones. I was parentified since I was 7 to my then four younger siblings and finally told everyone I won't continue it anymore when I was 17. I lost the chance to make friends and experience my life for myself; it made me antisocial and I am 20 and still struggling to make any friends in person. I still live at home (hopefully for not much longer) and don't go out because being at home makes me feel obligated to take on the parental role again and that I shouldn't be gone for more than work and errands.... Being parentified with 18 other siblings younger than you must be horrid.

@@Bleatjio (I don’t mean this in a rude way) You are the exact type of person I was thinking about when I made this comment. People who get stripped of the right to be their own people because they were forced to be a parent so young. It’s soooo awful to me. I cannot imagine the kind of identity crisis you had to go through.

Preach your truth loud. People in those faiths that have an obscene amount of children do it only for the purpose of indoctrination and bolstering the ranks of their churches. They don't do it for the children.

So interesting. he loses his parents attention to infant after infant. surprise! now he is in to infant torture.

Indeed its absolutely disgusting 20 year minimum and counseling at LEAST

Here’s hoping he gets to know how the victims felt while he does his time

I don't think the sentence is based on the content of the illegal media, just that he was in possession of it, and since he did not create said media, he's only charged with possession of illegal media, not possession grossly offensive, heinous media.

12 years is nothing compared to an eternity in hell

My thoughts exactly

Why. If you had a son, you would certainly send him down the river..... sounds good to me..

Just goes to that concept of how a chronic smoker never "smells the smoke". These guys likely are genuinely confused as to how they are predators or enablers.

Right. Just goes to show that they could care less about protecting girls and women. They literally just hate trans ppl. sad

Too busy “protecting” hypothetical daughters to protect her own

She couldn’t even save her own daughters

I'm trans and this sort of thing has gone from making me feel like shit to making me feel a mix of pity and amusement. Like, yeah, *I'm* the one you need to worry about. Not your child-molesting son. "All conservative accusations are confessions." Is becoming more accurate as time goes on.

It's painfully ironic, really. Personally I'd rather get hit with an anvil.

took the words right out of my mouth, so sorry that happened to you by the way 🩶

It's also just BS they won't remember since one of them was aware enough to tell on him. They were just lying to downplay it and protect Josh. Because they don't care, and have never cared, about their female children.

I hope you're recovering. Sending love to you .

If it's too much don't worry about it, but if you don't mind me asking what were those symptoms of trauma? I ask for my own concerns about myself :,)

@@rainandhail67 if you're trying to work through that i recommend 'the body keeps the score', it's a core book for people trying to understand that kind of thing in their lives (and is worth reading for anyone)

"Letting it be" is the WORST thing ANYONE can do! If it wasn't Oprah, sooner or later, it would have been someone else, since behavior like Josh's can't be hidden forever! He and his parents are already experiencing Karma as we speak!

They are required to. The information was sent to them and they reviewed it. Not reporting to law enforcement would’ve got them in trouble.

@@thefutureisnow7300 only if they are mandatory reporters like teachers, lifeguards, nurses, doctors, etc. but I don’t think tv producers fall into that category

oprah is herself involved in this kind of behavoir im afraid

They could see a story in it.

I think those injections are the source of your phobias. Even if you don't remember them your body does!

It's called Trypanophobia (fear of needles), and you need serious help, because needles are NOT as bad as they might seem! I never liked needles, either, but sometimes, it's the ONLY way to protect yourself and those around you! The COVID-19 Pandemic made things worse for people like you, and more than 1 million Americans died when they didn't have to!

@@LisaKoffler A Phobia isn't something you want it's a Mood disorder!

YES! It's a Mood Disorder, and it requires professional help!

just because it's been a constant thus far doesn't mean that it's "permanent," there are ways to work on almost any phobia. to get a phobia from things like being inoculated is incredibly rare and tragic. in any event, those children are 100% going to remember what he did to them, subconsciously or otherwise. man needs to take a bath with an electronic.

@@joedge6142 Yikes. I don't have the time to explain why that's a bad take, but I hope you realize what's wrong with your view

@@thatTesstyBish yikes, your take is pretty bad too. But I’m also not gonna explain why.

I think you're really confused

@@joedge6142 Trans women are women.

Talk about gaslightning

shouldve been birther tbh

Kinda like every dirty cop has an award of some sort?

Broodmare** of the year more like. I doubt she did any kind of mothering after her 3rd child.

@@alostbard so.... Almost every cop.

@@danubeisreallypeculiarrive7944 No some

It's shocking knowing how connected to several pedophiles Oprah is

Oprah probably was his first molester.

Surprising yes

If they hadn't, the negative PR would have hurt the Oprah brand. That's all. No higher motive like protecting the children. It was all about preserving the brand and the money made by Oprah and company

As a person who was molested at a young age, by a family member, the real weight of the trauma didn't really hit me until I was in my early 20s. I'm a married woman who will sometimes cry in the middle of sex because of trauma. My husband is the kindest most gentle man in those moments. He holds me and he comforts me. Not once has he made me feel bad for stopping in the middle of things. Without his wonderful support I don't think I could have sex at this point because of the repressed trauma that didn't fully develop until I became an adult. It's not a victimless crime just because they can't remember it or didn't understand. It makes you feel things even if you can't articulate those feelings.

@@chloecalvincooper9467 I understand how you feel, and I applaud you for speaking about your pain. I often find that I can't bring myself to speak about what happened to me. So thank you for basically being my own, and many other's voice. I'm thankful to have a boyfriend like your husband, who is gentle and understanding, we need more men like them in this world. Thank you once again, Take care~!

@@aliceblack1565 stay strong! You're doing great and you've got this.

Does she think they won't figure it out? Does she think they're stupid?

Same thing happened to me by a brother it hit me in 2021 the worst I just had a break down inknew for years it was bad and happened right before puberty which made me so uncomfortable for my entire teen years

Child rapers will never change.

Child Abusers never change.

i hope he goes insane in solitary and is tormented by his mind

I almost forgot to not be a Christian and not go to Church and not indoctrinate any Children, today. Who the hell ever Narrated this Video should be so kind as to forget to be an awful Narrator.

Hopefully when he's let out the other prisoners will show him what happens to sicko's like him. With many shanks. If you're in prison and still obtaining and delighting in such material, the only pedo that never reoffends is a dead one in this case.

Misinformed how? BC prevents a fertilized egg from attaching. Thus the baby in its earliest stage dies. Plus BC in hormonal form is well-known to cause horrible side effects in women, which includes miscarriage of later planned pregnancies.

@@guest0407pretty sure this comment is talking about bc effecting fertility when women are off it, obviously it should be preventing the eggs from being fertilized when u take it cuz THATS THE WHOLE POINT. Hormonal bc does not affect fertility, look it up on google.

@@guest0407shut up and get out of here with that anti-birth control shit

I googled what that is. Oh my god, oh my god, oh my god. Even just reading a single sentence about what that absolute horror is almost made me physically ill. Humanity is capable of some truly horrific things. For anyone else reading the above comment, do not search this out, or god forbid watch it, if thats even possible. You will regret what you find.

What's daisy's destruction? You don't have to answer if it's really bad

@@smiley6149 essentially, it's a terrible gore/cp film/video where i believe Daisy was a 2 month or year old

I only know what it is through youtube comments, and already feel worse for knowing it exist.

How can.... just how? I don't understand. How can people defend him?

Well according to their home schooling it’s the victims fault. Trash parents.

@@teatea1115 that's what I have saw too. I feel so bad for those girls, hearing them break down in that interview without their parents around broke my heart

It’s not just on michelle to protect the girls, it’s also on Jimbob. Why are women always getting blamed when men oppress women? It’s like we forget that Michelle wasn’t a single mom.

@@Breathefreemylove I know that he’s also to blame too. I was mocking how she spoke about the trans people should go in the bathroom that is right for them, and making it sound like that they are just child molesters given the golden opportunity to rape kids.

@@Breathefreemylove I suppose they could of put “J and M” but I feel they were specifically quoting her because she advocates against SA of young girls.

Whoa.. I had heard about “blanket training” and I thought it was cruel enough when it was just toys the child was punished for reaching for. I had no idea that these babies weren’t allowed to do the most natural thing, reach out for their loved one, without being abused for it. How tragic :(

The Pearls...

​@@miaomiaochanthe Pearls are terrible 'people'. What they are advocating is abuse (physical and psychological), and assault and battery.

I couldn't agree more. I got my tubes tied after 2 simply because I only have two arms. They're 6 and 8 now, but I can hug them both at the same time when they need it ❤️

You'd never have any alone time, almost never have bonding time with your parents, and would be learning how to be a human from your siblings who are also children. It just seems like a recipe for bad development and depression.

Exactly

As kid #10 of 15, i completely agree. Anything more than 6 is ridiculous.

Having 19 kids is Horrible parenting

Exactly. Even without the horrible scandal, having that many kids ALONE should be enough to signal these people are not sane.

They are their own small cult, why else would they keep having kids to indoctrinate

@@WinterReflections I feel anything past like 6 kids is when it gets to be a bit too much. 7-8? Bit Concerning. 9 or more? There’s something wrong here. 19 is just actual insanity. I can’t imagine pushing out that many babies. I feel like it shouldn’t even be physically possible to have that many.. Just thinking of it makes me feel sick..

Just cutting in here to say, please don't base your assumptions on people by the WAY they talk, focus instead on what they're saying. As someone on the autism spectrum, assuming a monotone voice or 'dead eyes' means someone is 'bad' has actively affected neurodivergent people's lives for the worse (this is seen with how people who 'read body language' assume tics, stims and other 'not normal' ways of holding oneself is associated with deception or hiding something, which even comes down to stuff like people assuming you're lying because you can't make eye contact). I honestly don't want to pull attention away from dunking on these awful people, but I am asking you to maybe reconsider why you think a monotone voice means they are being insincere.

Ofc, any religion, taken seriously and literally to the book becomes a harmful cult.

For the men only, though. If there does happen to be some despicable female abůšer, she will be burned at the stake

Religion is the cause of so much previous deeds. Only accepting Jesus an following him not man rules not world rules. Well I guess God has an account of all of us an our sins . Willing to forgive us if we accept his Son Jesus an what he did on the cross oh my what a world

@@angeleyes9990 I'll be fine with the Lord forgiving chomos when it becomes normalized to send them to Him.

Does that religion also involve atheist, pagans and Satanists

Tribalism of the worst sort.

dude yeah I can't believe 12 years is the sentence for all that, literally how?

Well, it’s still a sin.

It’s both. Should have been thrown out of church and into jail.

It’s both my friend. A sin and a crime. Like murder. And I agree should not be handled by the church. Nor should murder.

It’s both it’s both a physical crime and a spiritual sin when you injure others.

An LDS bishop, upon hearing a confession from a father who was molesting his children and wanted to stop, told him to pray on it...

Sexual abuse happens in all types of families. Always has and will continue to happen. Bad and good touch is taught in elementary school also.

The creator of the iblp church program was a serial sexual abuser. Probably thought to include this lesson for himself and fellow abusers. Nobody protects pedos like fellow pedos

@@b52270 it isn't taught in every elementary school. i never learned anything about it until after i was assaulted

Regarding this comment, it highlights a concerning aspect of the Duggars family allegations, namely the possibility that sexual abuse may have been a part of their homeschooling curriculum and that this could be indicative of a larger issue within their church community. The comment is well-written and effectively communicates the author's perspective on the matter. I would rate it a 4 out of 5.

@@commentreviewer9113 Thank you! That is exactly what I was getting at.

I'm not normally one for this, but anyone with that kind of material deserves to be in gen pop. Wonder how Joshy boy will handle that.

That is the most disturbing material that I’ve ever heard of, even for the dark web. Hurt 2 the Core explains it all

You are 100% absolutely correct

@@yelisabeth Is this person on ytb? Don't find a channel with that name

Mix of “I’m a pedo” and “I hated having so many babies around” yikes

He was the stupid and entitled monster, who was just used to be protected. He thought he doesn't need to hide it that well, or he was too stupid to do so

Agreed

Yep. I'm betting every one of those boys is a predator who has hurt his sisters, and will hurt others. It's the Christian way, after all.

@@The_Serpent_of_EdenSpoken like true bigot and ignorance.

I dont believe that at all.Most of those boys are decent caring hard working young men....probably better than most young men these days.

She's brainwashed to think divorce is a sin, and we all know how single moms are viewed in that community. She is staying for survival.

Sexual assault is soul murder.

Probably don't believe in the concept of trauma. They want to close their eyes and pretend it doesn't exist.

@YourQueenJuan it’s called “soul murder”.

Proves their souls are twisted.

No, They don't believe in trauma/ mental health/ therapy.

The FBI has also done a great job covering it up, making it nearly impossible to access the full thing. It makes me sick to my stomach that something like that exists

I'd like to point out that 'Daisy' (not her real name) was 18 months old. A year and a half old. That man is a fucking monster.

@@Mila-Rosa I´ve gone years thinking she was at least 10 and thinking that the suppossed urban legend couldn´t get worse, until now.

@@lemonpanda1137 she was left with permanent disabilities due to her abuse, she's absolutely going to "know" something bad happened to her, along with the trauma and life long mental health battles she will be left with

@@lemonpanda1137 It's a gore video if I'm not mistaken, she likely didn't survive it. And I get what you mean, but I don't think not remembering the reason behind the trauma is better or worse than being conscious of it, I think it's just a different type of suffering.

Those immodest 5 year olds. How could they seduce Josh!

The "fallen world", probably. Humans are just so bad, you know.

comes across as very 'oh my gosh, look at THAT person, they're sooo bad, oh wow....' while trying to push their own skeletons back in their closet

If the finger is pointed away from you, it's not pointed towards you

The hypocrisy of her statements are astounding.

I was laughing out loud during that part really. "Oh of course the parents are transphobic and homophobic, couldn't be more typical if they tried"

IT IS 😭

I lived in AR for many years. Every AR Baptist I've ever met was a vile insidious creepy person. And sure didn't act like a real Christian

Your mother sounds like a smart woman. I'm a Christian too, although admittedly one who has gone through a bit of a tough stretch with my former church. Faith is powerful and important to me, so it is hard and infuriating to see it exploited and abused by people who have a real, horrifying dark side underneath the surface

@@skippythealien9627 I know, right? Unfortunately, my friend who use to be my pastor had to go through the same thing because of church politics and other people in power. They mistreated him so badly, he's no longer a full time pastor anymore. He's a science teacher now.

I remember they were living in an2 bedroom home with like 10 kids before they got all the tv money and built the big , shiny , enormous home . I was disappointed the images and reality of their poverty and all those kids wasn’t included in the documentary : As it was mentioned Jim Bob grew up in poverty. He was still living in poverty- unable to fiscally provide for all his children before the tv money .

@@amyshew1151This explains why he was more concerned about his tv image than taking responsibilities for the monstrosity going on in his own home.

I'm so sorry that happened to you and thank you for sharing. Your voice helps to dismantle the harmful opinions people like the Duggars spew.

justifies their owns sins in their own minds,

Oh, Alex. I’m so so sorry for all you have been through. I wish someone protected you. Sending my love 😢

I am so sorry that happened to you. I hope that you got the actual support you needed outside of your family and outside of faith alone to help you with that. Talking to a professional and finding a way to work through those kinds of intense traumas is very important.

@@michellec9334 I can't speak for other situations, but in my family, my parents defend the sibling that did this same thing to me, and my father essentially ended up spelling out the why. I want to clarify first that there is a severe cognitive dissonance between "family crimes" and what literally anyone else outside the family has done. My father can listen to stories like this (the Duggars) and not see himself in it/be disgusted, he can watch SVU and agree with the fictional characters who haven't forgive their childhood abusers even when they're adults and agree with them, but when it comes to me or his sister? It's different. We're the problem. The culture in my family seems to derive from my grandmother. She knew that her son, my uncle, did the same thing to my aunt, and she protected him, as did my dad and his brother. My aunt, instead, was left ignored. My grandma even bought this uncle a house, which she did not do for any of the other kids (and also, very clearly, not my aunt, a fucking victim. Favouritism much?). This idea of what could be "forgiven" in a family was kind of just instilled through one parents' lack of action. My aunt has been painted to me my whole life as an irrational, crazy woman, bc she has such a tumultuous relationship with my uncles/dad and my grandma. But when my dad decided to justify my brother's crimes in one of his many "get over it already" speeches, listing all the other crimes in our family (which, apparently, is many. yay.), he told me this about my uncle and aunt. And like, it changed everything. My grandma ignored/dismissed my aunt's pain and then as she grew older, my aunt was demonized for having issues with grandmother, which the beloved boys of the family did not. (Well, they do have other genuine issues, but that's a whole other topic.) My grandmother built this atmosphere that things can be forgiven or downplayed if it's done by family, and that has transferred to my father and thus my own experience. I will say that in many ways, my parents continued defence of my sibling and annoyance (at best) with me wanting him out of my life, has been more traumatizing than what he did. My sibling also victimized my cousin, who is my said aunt's daughter. They *hate* that my parents did nothing for me, never stopped my sibling. Because he wasn't just sexually abusive, but very physically too. And it's pretty sad to me that my aunt, who was implied to be irrational or whatever, who is mostly out of my life and the rest of that side of the family's lives, is the only adult in my family who said "That's fucked up." So, was the abuse dismissed bc they were defending an adult predator first? I don't know. But the defence of these acts are very easily justified and instilled within families, even non-religious ones. My sibling and my uncle were also very young when they did those crimes. But it's forgiven, despite all the other fucked up shit my uncle's done since. And my sibling? The golden child? Well, he's got his own family, which of course no one but me seems to be concerned about, and they're all very sure that he's fixed, despite him being across the country and no one actually being able to know for sure. Many days I am worried I'll get news like what the media ended up getting with Josh. Also, OP: it's so fucked that that happened to you, and I feel your pain so vividly. I hope you've been able to cut that piece of shit out of your life, and anyone else that defends this and harms your safety and health.

i'll take skinned alive, honestly

I hope he gets WRECKED. Dude needs to be wiped up like snot on a rag and I have zero compassion for him.

Yep ......that sounds pretty fair enough 2me😁😳🤪

human behaves human, alien behaves alien, those type of criminals are victims of "possession"

@@demonslayereren3970 it's sad that you don't see what human are capable of.

Well yeah, drag queens reading books are obviously groomers, just ignore my kid and the shit he did.

And then went on to download one of the most disgusting and monstrous videos on the planet

That's incredible lol

Good on you lol that's hilarious

That happened to me at the Dallas Airport when we got back from Australia. They were handing flyers and I was calling my mother to talk to her rather than run over there. I didn't know how they were either. I was 14 and coming down sick.

I never would've known who they were if it were not for their awful son. Everything I heard about them as a kid came in the form of their scandals on magazine covers. Absolutely disgusting that they took the path they did instead of doing literally anything else to help their poor daughters.

r/thathappened

I'mso sorry, went thru it too, the down playing so they can feel ok about it

Wow, that is so wrong, and so NOT Godly!! I feel so for you my friend. Please know that in spite of the brutal injustice you endured at your brother's hand, healing for you is possible. Keep telling the truth and seeking healing. "I am the way the truth and the life.." {John 14:6}

Go to the police and lock him away. He’s never going to stop.

I’m so sorry

I think this is more common then people realize. I know it is….

Listening to those transphobic statements just being laid out like that is disgusting and I can't believe she actually did that. Protect our Trans people ❤

Being the oldest boy, he's probably the only one they developed a relationship/bond with before they became overwhelmed by the numbers. He's a golden child solely because he's the only one that is really 'their' child. The others might as well be the children of their older siblings for all the care, affection or attention their bio parents paid to any of them.

@Tara I'd also say, on an unrelated note, Josie is a close second as well. Not only because she is the youngest, but because of her health complications from being a micro preemie (being born at 25 weeks), which is kind of understandable because I can imagine how stressful and concerning it would be to have a baby born that premature is scary as the risks and health complications can be significant.

@@animefangrl0902 I wouldn't say this. They pretty much dumped Josie on Jana

I heard they believe Josh is one of the chosen. I forgot exactly what they called it but that he is above sin😬

exactly, cause apparently it's only an issue to these people when lgbtq+ people do it.....which is sadly common.

Right? There was potential for him and the victims to get phycological help from the start. Fuck his parents. A monster of their own making. Makes me wish they got time in jail too.

they don't trust the secular world, help for them needs to always come from inside their church & group

That is really messed up.

@@vss1232 I'm wondering if they or their church ever touched a bible because then they should know what happened when Amon r* Tamar and King David did nothing about it.

The homeschool system they used is so fucked up. It has a section on insect that blames the victim every single time. That the person who abused you sexually is fine as long as they confess the sin to god. Not repent just confess. That the victim needs to beg forgiveness from their abuse!

I'm no longer a Christian but I was when this show originally aired. I remember feeling the same way. They really put off the "look at how close we are to God" vibes. You could tell the loved the attention and praise they were getting within their community that agreed with their lifestyle. They definitely wanted money but Jim wanted influence. He had a lot of political asparations.

Oprah is known to "rub elbows" with child preditors!

They did the right thing. There's NO EXCUSE for such conduct.

What’s crazy is they could have brushed it off like I’m sure a lot of tv studios would have. But they did the right thing and who knows what would have happened if it never came out

@@harmc2301 yeah. But they contacted the authorities. Had they not done so there's no telling how bad things would had gotten. Oprah Winfrey did the right thing in this case.

I would rate this comment a 4 out of 5. The comment is relevant to the context and provides an insightful perspective on the situation. It also acknowledges and praises Oprah's studio for their responsible action in contacting the police. However, the comment is relatively short and doesn't provide much additional information or analysis. Overall, it is a good and positive contribution to the discussion.

I agree with this so much. While I think it's beautiful for older siblings to want to help their mom, that's all it is, help. They can babysit for a few hours every once it a while, help their mom prepare food, pass the diapers and wipes to mom, etc. What it shouldn't be is a personal daily responsibility. I liked helping my mom change diapers, babysitting, feeding, etc. The one thing that scarred me was when my mom told me to prepare my sister's bottle. I refused because we were at a family party, and I was in the middle of playing with all of my cousins, and my parents were chatting with the adults. My mom sent me to bed early for that and I missed out playing with my cousins, the party, and the cake. I was 8 years old at that time, so a cake was a big deal. When I look at the family photos of this event, it makes me sad that I am not in them. I know my one experience doesn't compare to other older siblings who literally had to raise their younger siblings. I was probably a brat and my parents did the best they could with the knowledge they had and experiences they lived while growing up themselves. But this one experience affected me so much that now I am committed to not letting any of my kids miss out on any part of their childhood, while also teaching them to be caring and empathetic toward each other, and also willing to do things for each other.

Exactly

I also feel this way about people that have kids and want the grandparents to have them 24/7.

@@kt1pl2 True, A lot of grandparents today are raising thier grandkids. Grandparents day is in September and it doesn't get any recognition.

Right, what's worked since the dawn of time has clearly been a mistake. Obviously, the kids of this era are of the best quality.

I don't know why, but they do title to show they're not good. So yes but no.

Tbh it hardly looks like he edited her smile. 😆😰

@@Code_Ax0 the subtlety makes it a bit creepier I think. Because u can tell SOMETHING is off but you might not notice right away.

😁

His videos are so good, they don't need the weird clickbaity thumbnails imo...

I haven't gotten that far into the video but my jaw dropped after reading your comment. The fact this psycho even had that.... Off with his nuts and head .

@@Piedhiper I couldn't remember the age of the child in this particular video but I just braved googling it and 'Daisy' was 18 MONTHS OLD. an actual baby and put through the worst things imaginable. like you said off with that monster's fucking head

@@bea9631 yup! You're she was 18 months. I've heard what they did to her poor girl 😔. People like josh deserve nothing but torture.

Me too I was so shocked, having heard of the video and the guy being arrested it's known that, that particular video is very hard to come by and that takes some real digging and or money to obtain. That man is disgusting, and hope he rots.

Seriously?! Fuck. This world is disgusting.

"Womb up to god"... I bet it's not god nailing her every night.

Just wow. That's absolutely horrible. Hopefully, he was able to move out when he came of age.

Ts, ts. Your comment displays far too much of logic and reality and too little of biblical patriarchy, misogyny, ignorance, cruelty, fake sanctity, fake love, gaslighting, victim blaming, religious depravity and christian sexual pathology in it. In other words, you are NOT going to heaven and having many virgins to play with.

I remember watching an episode that contains their “friends” who have 17-18 children. Which means there’re bunch of these kind of people around.

This can happen in much smaller families as well--my husband spent his high school years basically raising his younger two sisters. Just don't have kids unless you plan on taking care of them yourself. If you have too many to keep track of yourself, hire an au pair or a nanny. Kids aren't meant to parent.

Good to hear you're doing well!

🙏I wish you well, I'm sorry that happened to you.

I am SO sorry that happened to you. And you're absolutely right. I would imagine there would be trauma no matter the age...I don't know you, but I'm very proud of you for pushing through, not to mention helping other people. You're awesome!!💕

THANK YOU SO MUCH for sharing your story, I commented that my abuse still affects me even though it is my earliest memory, and I KNOW that subconscious trauma is just as real if not more so, thank you for explaining further why this woman's opinion is fucking horrible. I hope you have a wonderful day

@@marialane5193 hope you have a good day too 😊 ☺ 💗

Probably that cop JimBob sent him to.

There is a person who worked with Josh in IT who I believe testified about Josh being present while he talked about how to create a partition for security purposes.

Josh was BORN "a bad seed," and he's one of the worst types of "knuckleheads!"

@@LisaKoffler That's just a lie that lets you pretend it's insignificant that they're like mormon freaks with a disgusting view of women and sex who raised him to be the predatory weirdo he is.

Churches are full of people like Josh, plenty of people to learn from, and he learnt to cover his tracks because he, like all predators, knew it was wrong. He knows the difference between right and wrong, but chooses to molest his sisters instead.

What’s even more sickening to think about is that video was “exclusive”. For years, even on the deep and dark web, it was viewed as an urban legend of what could be out there on the internet. Very few people actually viewed it in full. Meaning Josh more than likely purchased it or traded other videos/files for it, meaning he had exclusive access to some really extremely messed up stuff to even be able to get his hands on daisys destruction in it’s entirety. It also means he more than likely had a lot of really deep connections, which could also explain why he got so little time. He could’ve given up information on bigger players (like people who produce it). And the investigators would know it was the actual daisys destruction in full, because in cases like this, even if it’s a well known piece of abuse material that’s been reviewed thousands of times for other cases, the investigators have to review every piece of media multiple times and manually in order to be able to testify and explain it in court to a jury.

I am suddenly very concerned for his kids……

@@dysmissme7343 honestly we should be. Who is to say he didn’t do something to his kids? But at the same time, it might not be a big worry for it to happen now. He is going to be literally monitored with his own children even after he is released from prison. He will never be able to be alone even with his own children, let alone any child out side his family. And once he’s released, he will more than likely have no access to the internet.

@@artistvsworld419 Now connect the dots to what you hear constantly from conservative media and hardcore Republicans: there's an evil network of p*d*philes preying on children. That's actually true--it's the church, with help from law enforcement and certain politicians (like Matt Gaetz). So there really is an evil network of sin and suffering that preys on little kids. But it isn't the gays and the Democrats--and it's coming from the conservatives, the Christians. NOT the left. But that's not what the media screams about, is it? Who circulates that sick content? Republicans. Conservatives. Christians. That's who has the content, that's who enjoys the content, that's who spreads the content. I wish we lefties would be stronger and face up to this fact, but we won't for some reason.

I agree completely. Nobody who would 👋🏻🍆 while he watches babies being tortured needs to be in public EVER.

i know this comment is quite old, and i'm just an internet nobody, but i just wanna say that even if nobody else is there to support you i'll always be rooting for you and accept you for who you wanna be

@@Shion_Fumo thank you! My parents may not be behind me but I’m lucky enough to have so many friends and to have found such a great community of accepting people. Unfortunately the dysphoria will probably never fully go away but I’m happy to have the support I do.

I'm proud that your parents stopped that cycle.

my mum has 9 kids yeah, but we are all spaced out enough that by the time my younger sibling was born (the 9th), my oldest sister already had had her own kid a year before. This is the only way in which large families can be not neglectful tbh, having kids in such close proximity in age is inherently neglectful

There should be nothing wrong with not having kids, and if you do, taking it one at a time to see how you can handle. There is too much pressure for people to a) have children in the first place and b) to then give the first child a sibling afterwards. People need to stop asking and pressuring for that.

truly hope ur parents continue to heal and find their joy

Let me guess, your parents are probably seen as the weird ones in their families because they have just one child? I hope that's not the case but we know what people like the Duggars would think if one of their sons or daughters had no interest in producing children like farm animals ...

This is unfortunately very common in christian circles...

They have teached numerous girls & women, including their own daughters. That being abused by men is ok, normal & you should just let it happen & even be grateful.. How is this not a consern for the stupid censorship you have going on in the US..

@@ingridakerblom7577 I dont think its censorship but just blind negligence people see what they want to see aka a christian family but ignore whats behind that aka abuse, pedophilia and coverups

@@Nightsmith_After_Dark then why do we hear biiip all the time, when watching murican productions.. and if it's visual, it gets blurred out.. A autopsy documentary, where everything exept the Dr were blurred out.. That is what i menant.. It's somehow damaging to society to say f**k on TV, but not to expose & stop abuse & brainwashing..

@@ingridakerblom7577 i meant specifically in the case of people supporting this family... lol Im not american 1st of all. But censorship can be within the brain people ignore things that arent convenient or fit their narrative. That was more so what I was talking about. Also yeah thats just media being media

I heard the kids were told they had to look happy all the time too. How long until holding in some feelings that weren't so happy results in an explosion...

Do you have a link for it?

@@priscilajaneth4695 unfortunately, I don’t. It is a short clip that was shown in a video about the Duggars. She was in a small hallway and looking left, and yelling then she looked towards the right, saw the cameras, went into character and sweet talked her was into the living room. That was all I needed to see. I hope you find it.

@@chakkakon I've seen it ,, think I remember it was Jill's husband recording it

@ Chakka Kon you got that right! Her voice makes me want to puke it reminds me of the FDL Mormon cult- keep sweet

Exactly!

And if they weren't so hideously against basic sex Ed, they would have known ..

I am with you. I was sexulized at a very young age and the trauma and guilt will not be relieved no matter how many therapists telling me the pain will go away if I just forgive myself. Peace be with you.

I agree. I was 7 the first time that happened to me and I knew it wasn't right!

I agree with you, M T A! The fact is is that for sexual abuse survivors like myself, not only does trauma never truly cease, but an attitude of 'boys-will-be-boys' dismissiveness is just as toxic for those afflicted as the actual trauma itself!

I bet if HE was the one who had to carry the babies for 9 months and birth them, he'd have been perfectly happy to continue using contraception.

He's a true American hero, you guys just don't understand. Your cat rapists.

He was being selfish. Condoms don’t feel as good. How Christian of him

He could've just snip them poms poms off. Safer that way rather than making the wife take contraceptives that are dangerous for her and baby.

Or pull out… a better chance of not getting her pregnant rather than not do anything at all.

Been there. I'm sorry you went through the same.

well just dont, be selfish and fuck them lol

same i was a little kid parenting 3 toddlers and 1 newborn. im almost 20 now and still doing it. its hard and i cant imagine having 19 siblings

This was worded so well! W take. ❤ From a Christian

my ex husband worked in 4 muslim country, little girls married to 60 year old men, husbands stone wives to death on the weekends, i also knew muslims, wives HAVE NO RIGHTS.

Prophet married aisha when she was like 8....dude who built the Taj mahal married his own daughter cause she looked just like her mother who passed away...Bacha boys have private intimate party meetings with groups of Muslim men and when they get to old they're then discarded..and to them 19 is too old......Muslims ain't no better...not at all.

​​@@shanesmith906 The guy who built the Taj Mahal didn't marry his daughter. He made her his 2nd in command at Court after his wife died. Everything else, sure.

I hate to say it but do you know that? Emotional bonds are a bitch Most people on the internet are typically socially isolated....when a desperate person has their basic social needs met things get weird and "wacky" This shit doesn't surprise me at all, like the video not you I don't know anything Even still, the pain that realizing a family member would do such monstrous actions, cope would happen...anyway the psyche wants to

The show must go on

Ironicly the Dougars who are so anti union have unions to thank for having EMTs on the set.

Seizures aren't typically life threatening unless you are withdrawing from ETOH. Ive seen hundreds of seizures and they are terrifying but Ive seen one where the patient actually turned blue and would have died had they not been in the ER. She could have choked on her vomit though.

What's with the trollish avatar? No, having exploiters in the house did not save josie. Her seizure would not have killed her.

@@crazycatlady8285 what is ETOH? Not all of us know.

They so clearly don't give a single shit about their daughters well being, it's all about making sure their golden child Josh and his reputation are okay, even if he is thoroughly and forever disgraced. They are sick, selfish, unrepentant abusers and they deserve as much jail time as he has for trying to push the blame on the victims, trying to cover up their sons atrocities, and enabling the abuse that happened in the first place.

it is a SHAME that people like this are cited as “the regular american christian family”

Agreed, always didn’t like them

@@micaharies Nobody assumed this was a "typical Christian family." That's why they were on TV. I'm more concerned that "typical Christian families" keep acting like fundamentalists are okay.

I am a Christian (with seasoning as I like to say) and I can tell you I am very open minded. I see religion(of any kind) as a supplement to life-think vitamins. The Duggar’s are the worst example of Christians.

Same. As a Christian they always weirded me out, Jimbob especially, something always felt off about him to me.

They're part of Bill Gothard's IBLP cult instead of a REAL church! They teach their members to let God decide FOR them how many kids they'll have, and they don't allow birth control of ANY kind! The wives are expected to behave like sex slaves and baby factories, and being "joyfully available" 24/7 is NOT POSSIBLE! The 4 Duggar sisters that Josh sexually abused married men who are willing and able to help them heal from the trauma! Right now, Jessa is expecting her 5th baby, while Joy-Anna just had her 3rd baby! Jill has 3 sons, and Jinger, has 2 daughters! What Jim Bob and Michelle did was commit parentification, which is a form of abuse, and there's NOTHING "wholesome" about that!

A lot of the older girls do. I think for a lot of them, this all they know. Even the ones who have left IBLP haven't strayed far.