What do y’all wanna see the Pistons do this offseason?

Was just starting my morning catching up on the last few videos of this series and then a brand new one pops up for me! Been really enjoying your channel and I appreciate all of the effort you put into it. Extraordinarily informative. P.S. fellow Bulls fan! (someone save us from misery)

I really like this team man. It’s a Major Improvement, definitely can win games and could make it to the play-in’s

At this point, I think Duncan Robinson has played well enough for Miami in the past season in addition to the fact that the deal is only 2 years left for them to just dump him for a 2nd rounder.

Pistons fan here! Great, in-depth video! It brought up a lot of thoughts, so I apologize for the long read. I'll make them as digestible as possible. 1) Rumor has it that the Pistons might be a bit lower on Duren right now because his defensive effort was increasingly pitiful as the season went on. And while it's somewhat understandable because of his frequent injuries, he may have been one of the biggest factors in our defensive struggles as the season went on, because he was just letting guys blow by him without much of a fight in the second half of the season. There's talk that the Pistons may aggressively target Nic Claxton with a big contract and even move Stewart to the backup 5 position, because Stew's defense and floor spacing has worked well with Ausar for what we've seen. It may even be possible that in that trade scenario the Pistons would send Duren instead of Stewart. In which case, I think it may suffice to do Ivey, Duren, a 2027 1st and swapping the 5th overall pick this year for their 21st, if you even trade multiple firsts at all. That way you can probably use the 21st to pick up an older and more developed player in the draft like Tristan da Silva, or maybe Filipowski if he's still there. 2) I appreciate your comments about Ausar, and not just because he's my favorite player on the team. I also tend to see him as a future 2 on the team, because it ideally helps create a size/defensive advantage if we're able put good two-way forwards like Ingram and Fontecchio, for example, around him. 3) I love Jalen Smith, actually, and just mentioned him as an option to the fellow Pistons fans yesterday. Both Cade Cunningham and Ausar Thompson benefit tremendously from playing with bigs that stretch the floor. Heck, in the exceptionally brief time we were playing Mike Muscala off the bench with Ausar, before we waived Muscala for some reason, the two looked great together, and were torching the Bucks in one game (that we still lost because Cade was out and our starters were NOT good). We've been talking heavily about Valanciunas as an option too in the Pistons community, partly because he's got that connection with our new FO comprised of former Pels staff. 4) Speaking of the Pelicans connection, I think there's a good chance the Pistons would pursue a guy like Naji Marshall for wing depth, since they apparently attempted to acquire him at the deadline during the season. Considering Trajan Langdon drafted him, I feel like that chance increases further since he's a UFA now. I wouldn't even be surprised if Langdon makes a strong attempt at prying Jordan Hawkins away from NO, since he adores him. After Langdon left Brooklyn for NO, they had Brooklyn trade the newly drafted Nickeil Alexander-Walker, whom Langdon apparently scouted, over to NO. So it wouldn't be the first time he made an effort to bring "his guys" over. 5) I think the Duncan Robinson idea is alright, since it gives us some draft mobility and a decent veteran wing with basically an expiring contract. Thanks for all the hard work you put in, and congrats on this latest NBA work you secured! 🙌

Great work. Appreciate the effort you have put in here (probably more than the Pistons Front Office over the last few years). The Ingram move would divide fans, but I like it as he adds much needed shooting and help for Cade. As you mentioned, it would require an extension if paying this much for him. I like the signings of Smith and Nwora. Not sure on JV, doubt he comes to Detroit as a backup. There are probably cheaper options out there (Saric, Goga, Tillman). I would probably like another guard, as I'm not 100% sure on Sasser/Flynn/Grimes. Maybe a veteran PG or a solid combo guard like Melton.

My God, you're good AVC, how many contracts you got right so far? I remember you saying Hartenstein was going to get 29 mil/year in your Knicks video, and now you said Fontecchio was going to get 8-10 million with a player option for the 3rd year, he got 2 years 16 million, without the option. Kudos.

you have my dream job. keep it up man. my theory is only make a move if you gain draft capital or move into contention. being a tweener team is the worst thing you can do IMO.

I feel like that is a lot for B.I when it doesn’t seem like New Orleans wants him. With the salary cap how much competition is there for him?

Still dream of Bol Bol in Pistons Jersey!

Stew is a good rotation player on a good contract. I wouldn’t add him to this kind of trade. Need better defense at the backup 5 than Val. Stew makes the most sense. Like adding Duncan. I want Gary Trent Junior as well.

This would be a really great offseason for them. I thought you were going to trade for mikal instead of ingram for the same package and i was a fan of that. I dont know if its even a possibility but the fit would be amazing

I do believe the pistons 2025 pick is lottery protected to the Knicks

They have to keep Fontehhico (or however its spelled) and he can start

after watching the presser from the new head of basketball for the pistons its more likely theyll go after guys like Lavine imo

Oh yeah we’re seated for this

I’d like the spreadsheet and the discord please great job on the content wish u we’re the GM lol

Anther pistons fan. Like most of the moves.. the free agent signings..i would look at players like Andre Drummond, Naji Marshall, Gary Harris, Kelly Obre, Cedi Osman...

Nice video, but it'd help my capacity to pay attention if you sorted your background out. You'd probably do better with the channel too.

I appreciate this thought experiment and seeing a realistic take on moving Detroit to a more competitive team rather than trying to go all out. 1.) My mindset for Detroit is to build around primarily Cade and Ausar while looking at everyone else as players to complement them. Cade is the biggest sure fire star we have and I believe Ausar is second on that list with his jump shot being his only real weakness. Also wings who are multifaceted are hard to come by, so Ausar should be a building block. I believe Ivey can be an all star or fringe all star level player if he develops his shooting, playmaking, and defense. I just don’t believe he’s a great fit next to Cade and Ausar because he’s streaky and needs the ball to be a factor. If he was an off ball threat I would consider keeping him but he would be on the trade block for me. Duren I also believe he can be an fringe all star at his potential, but my question for Duren is how long will it take for him to not be raw overall and to be good as a rim protector? Do you believe he can show improvement defensively to justify paying him an extension next year? Would that deal be worth it compared to using that money elsewhere and getting a cheaper big or a more established big? Duren would be a player I try to keep unless I see a deal that helps Ausar and Cade much better. 2.) If I’m Detroit, before the draft I’m sending an offer to Utah where we give them Ivey, Duren, #5, and a protected future FRP for Lauri Markkanen. I believe he’s the ideal piece next to Cade and Ausar long term. If they accept it then we focus on our SRP and move to free agency. I think Utah should consider this deal because it gives them another swing at a big, a top 5 guard in the draft 2 years ago, a top5 pick this draft, and a future protected pick. I don’t know what other team can offer draft picks and two really good young players like this. OKC can spam picks, but I’m not sure they’re willing to give up players on par with us. Spurs have picks, but they wouldn’t give up Vassel. Not guaranteed, but I think they would at least consider it. 3.) If Utah declines I would then offer #5 and Ivey for #2 and #26 from Washington. Washington I feel is a team who would be willing to trade down if they can remain in the top 5. Washington likely gets Sarr or Risacher if they stay at 2. They have plenty of forwards right now and need a big. If Risacher is available I feel they wouldn’t mind trading down and getting potentially Clingan at 5 plus Ivey. Detroit I can see do this because Risacher fits Ausar and Cade better. Risacher would come in and bring spacing. The core gets adjusted with a more cohesive team. 3.) I’m going to continue as if Lauri trade didn’t get accepted, but the Washington trade did 4.) I 1,000% agree with you on letting Fournier walk. His 19mil expiring may be useful, but I don’t think teams would want his deal to make any trade worth it. 5.) the BI trade I’m torn on. Looking at him in a vacuum would be a great fit on this team next to Cade, Ausar, Risacher, and Duren. The extension is what makes me hesitant. You would be giving him like 40-50+ mil per year when he has his injury issues. I also think we didn’t need to give up a future FRP when all reports are they don’t want to pay him. Detroit is one of the few teams that can just absorb his contract without adding much in the books for NOLA. I feel that uniquely gives Detroit leverage because I haven’t seen a deal where NOLA gets back anything close to a BI level player to counteract the value we provide. Maybe BI’s extension won’t be as expensive due to no other team having the money to pay him anywhere close? I’m not sure. 6.) I like the idea of going after Monk, Claxton, Gary Trent Jr, and Jalen Smith. Monk is likely gone from Sacramento because they can only pay him like 17mil. I feel we can offer 20-25mil on a 2+1. Claxton I would either just sign outright or do a sign and trade for him by giving Duren to Brooklyn. I just feel that worth Claxton he already figured out his game and you get an established guy next to Cade who is bring that defense now. I wish I had a Stew trade so Jalen Smith slid at the backup 5 spot. Gary Trent Jr is just additional bench scoring. 7.) I’ve been thinking about a trade with GSW where we give them Grimes for Moses Moody. Kerr seems to not trust Moody for some reason and I feel Detroit can better utilize his skill set. He would be a better fit next to Cade than Ivey was because of good scoring. GSW get a guy that Kerr should trust and who can be their bigger version of GP2. Also that’s one of the few ways they can upgrade without losing any rotational player. Maybe I like Moody more than most but I can see him being extremely good if given consistent minutes. My *hopefully* somewhat realistic team for Detroit would be: Starters: Cade, Monk, Ausar, Risacher, Claxton 2nd unit: Sasser, Moody, Trent Jr, Fontecchio, Smith 3rd unit: Brown Jr, #26 pick(Daron Holmes?), Umude, Flynn, a backup playmaker

Interesting moves, thanks for the effort. I think it's a lot to give up for Ingram if the Pelicans really don't have the desire to extend him anyway, but maybe you're right and that's what it would take. I definitely want them to bring Tech back and don't mind most of the FA additions, but I do have two issues with the final lineup. First I don't think you can bring back both Sasser and Flynn as your backup PGs, if you're going to roll with Sasser as the backup you need to add a FA with some experience running an offense instead of Flynn. I don't mind some much older and much cheaper guy sort of like how you found Len. But Grimes and Ausar can't create at all, Sasser really struggled with it as well. Give them somebody who can run the offense a bit for at least the first quarter of the season. The other issue I have is you don't really have anybody who can guard a bigger PF with Tech at the 4 and Duren at C. Tech defended well but he's not as big as he seems and Duren was absolutely poor as a defender last season, even before he checked out mentally for the last month. If Ausar is going to guard the other teams' best perimeter player and your only interior defender is Duren, you'll get eaten alive. You'd have to turn Cade into a post defender maybe :| Also just want to say I appreciate that you actually have some Pistons knowledge instead of just looking at the record and a couple of articles and pretending for 30 minutes.

First time watching your videos. Loved your breakdown! But I would renegotiate Wiseman's contract and resign him to a smaller extension instead of signing Alex Len. Also, I like Jalen Smith but would prefer a more seasoned veteran like a Naji Marshall or Larry Nance Jr. instead. Hate to see Ivey traded but it's time we start winning some ball games. I wonder, could we sign a player like Issac Okoro or Caris Levert instead of a Reggie Bullock? #PistonsFan

Thanks for doing Detroit. I would love Brandon Ingram or D Murray. Don’t want this years pick. I’m willing to trade Stew, Duran {for the right piece} Ivey for a really good player. I think he will be really good soon. Simone T is a great fit for Detroit.

It was in fact the opposite, ownership and management had to tell Monty to start and play Ivey instead of Killian Hayes, it seemed like Monty didnt like Ivey from day 1, and i dont understand that and Jalen Durens defense was abysmal last year, and his effort was even worse

I want in on the discord but I’d like the spreadsheet also😅

TOO MUCH FOR INGRAM

Could I have the spreadsheet please?

Idk why but I can see them making a move for zach lavine or kyle kuzma. They need guys that can get a bucket & win them some games. That 5 pick with jaden ivey maybe some contracts to match could work. What do you think?

As a Pistons, idk if I like this roster setup for this Piston team. Besides, I don't think the Pistons are going to trade the 5th pick without getting anything back.

could i get the spreadsheet?

You passed up on daron Holmes ! Oh well he won't be there at 43 most likely anyways but would love to have him

I would like the spreadsheet

I. Would. Like A Spreadsheet

I’ll like a link with to the spreadsheet

Dude, you dont actually know the pistons very well. Im a few minutes in and you say Duren has high defensive IQ? Are you serious? Did you watch the wet tissue back line defense we had? Also that Monty wasn't the one driving the lineup minutes? Bro, a cursory look at some of the beat writers would show you that the team had an intervention mid season to force Monty to start playing Ivey. He even admitted he didn't know that Ivey could play as a secondary ball handler. He was essentially clueless about the nuances of the team. I'm going to watch the rest of this video, but I'm sooo skeptical about what you're talking about right now. ❤

I would like a spreadsheet

I would like the spreadsheet please

Did this guy say Duren has a high defensive IQ? WTF

I'll run it down for you real quick. 1) hire top medical and development people like Coach Vinson, 2) trade Jaden Ivey for Taylor Hendricks and picks, 3) sign Naji Marshall, 4) resign Simone Fontecchio and Killian Hayes, and 5) extend Cade Cunningham. Your starters are Cade, Ausar, Fontecchio, Stewart, and Duren. Hayes, Sasser, Marshall, and Hendricks are your bench. The roles make sense, the roster is better, and you're on your way. Oh, and draft Buzelis or Williams.

Troy Brown Jr is unguaranteed, I don't think Detroit should keep him, he is not worth more than the minimum, so raw cap space should be more valuable. I do like what you did with him tho, Duncan Robinson would be great for Detroit, and maybe Miami could use TBJr. Detroit can't trade the 2027 1st (they can if they play with the protections) but they owe a future protected first to the Knicks, and untill that's resolved they can't trade future firsts, they could trade a 2031 1st I believe, but not 2027, but I think #5 + Stew and Ivey could be enough to get an expiring Ingram, I don't think a team as bad and as dysfunctional as Detorit should be trading any more future 1sts to be honest. One free agency move I would love for Detroit to make is sign Naji Marshall. He never made too much money in his career and he proved to be a legit playoff rotation piece, and he should be cheap and he is a winger with a skillset that would be great next to Cade (he plays hard on defense, can shoot, and can handle the ball). I also love De'Anthony Melton, another free agent that should be cheap, plays great PoA defense has a high BBIQ and would fit perfectly next to Cade (or anyone fwiw). And I would love for us to bring Umude and Evbuomwan back for the minimum/2 way as 3rd stringers But overall I like the video, you're knowledgeable and well informed. I particularly love what you said about Monty Williams. Imo he quit on the team because he was forced to do a few things against his will (start Ivey and play Stew at the 4) also I think the players quit on him because of the whole Ivey situation.

I think we can fine another center like duren archetype. I would trade him for a veteran and draft clinigan

Where do you want to see James Wiseman next season?

This was a very detailed rebuild but I think the fatal flaw in your plan is the fact that Duren is low key an actually really bad defender, he needs to be replaced. Also our draft picks are tied up due to the Isaiah stewart draft trade so we can trade future picks, only trade the current pick on draft night. How about trade Duren or Stew, the 1st rd pick and stuff for KAT. This would allow Ausar the space to roam and Cade another 20+ point scorer to play with?

Commingham ready to trade and Stewart.

I want BI, but I'm effy on his health. I'm not huge on JI, but he might turn to something ( Monty ruined his development). If Pistons get BI with Obi, Kuz, Harris maybe even Bridges 😬. It's over, Cade will have spacing he needs. JV is someone I've been eying too, but I would sign him for less and go after more shooters. Pistons have a lot of options, it just sucks we have a bad owner and a coach that doesn't care. The franchise has been historically bad under Gores and it's sad to see a franchise that gave us the Bad Boys and going to work turn to this.

As a Miami heat fan, hell no! We can trade Caleb Martin for Troy Brown and the 2 second round pick.

Spread sheet

2025 is probably lottery protected

First thing our 2025 draft pick is top 13 protected . Thats not a lottery i want to miss though i know that doesnt make for a very exciting video . My 2nd point is you overpaid for ingram ..drastically imo . Nola was dumb enough to tell everyone they arent giving i gram 50m and to be honest i dont love it either .with cade getting 45m per or so and having some injury issues i dont love 95m per in injury prone players . The moves to make this year imo is take lavines salary on im a salary dump and maybe gain an asset . His 43m per for 3 years isnt that bad anymore and hes a better scorer than ingram . Hes a good shooter gets cade a true no 2 and provides some spacing . Then im getting a defensive center maybe claxto. If the price is right if not just a backup level . Thats it thats all i do this year . That allows players to grow with the additional spacing and scoring . Hopefully the center can teach duren and we get a wing with superstar upside in 2025 lotto then we are ready to make aome big moves

What do you think the chances are that Detroit goes after Miles Bridges in FA?

Ideal for me, trade Ivey and the pick for Zacchaire from France/top 3 2024 pick . Trade Stew, Grimes and some swaps with Utah for Lauri Markkanen. Trade some 2nds for Johnathan Issac. Trade Sasser, Stanley Umude and some 2nds for Grayson Allen. Sign Kelly Oubre and Dario Saric in Free Agency and bring up a Promise 4/5 with size from the G League

Troy brown jr contract is non guaranteed Pistons first is protected from 2025-2027 so cant trade a first till 29. Its hard for me to see the heat moving robinson. Had a bounce back yr, team desperately needs shooting, the final yr of his deal only has roughly 9-10 mill guaranteed. Ik they are a 2nd apron team i believe so its possible I like the idea of a brandon ingram trade for both sides. I do wonder if this would be enough to free agents that this shows hey the pistons are tryna compete so could they be more appealing. The players id target after this move would be monk and hartenstein (maybe 4yrs 90-95mil to both). Then simone fontechio (around 3 yrs 30 mil) and tobias harris (15 mil a yr 2-3 yrs). Whatever the pistons do, dont settle for zach lavine

Why do you keep saying Detroit doesn't have a 2025 pick? It's protected 1-13 in 2025.

you can't trade that pick to no until the pick to the knicks conveys. Also the brandon ingram thing at least shouldn't happen. He's a bad fit with cade, his own team doesnt think he's going to be worth his contract (the gm of which is now the pistons POBO), and you gave up 3.5ish frp for him. IF that move doesnt work out (which given the fit next to cade, probably wouldnt), the team is in a hole and is going to hit the reset button again in 2-3 years. no thank you.

He lost me with Jonas contract

This is aweful, MASSIVELY overvaluing MR 59 games per season Ingram.

Sorry bro. Not liking any of this. Ingram has been mentioned to detroit and i really hope it doesn’t happen. He’s decent but he’s injury prone and overpaid. He’s basically an injury prone Jeremy grant but without the solid D. Both are nice players but they need the ball in their hands too much and for too long. We need athletic shooters who can move with the ball and keep the offense flowing. BI is a black hole when the ball goes to him. I don’t see him fitting well with cade and company, just as grant didn’t either. Also, while those assets might be what it takes to acquire a guy like BI, why on earth would a team like ours who is light years away even from the play-in, trade 2 young assets AND 2 first round picks for a guy at his level? He’s not elite like that and i don’t think he fits as i said. We need to be stockpiling 1st rounders, not trading them away. While this is a weak draft i can see there will be a player at 5 who would be a very good piece for us. We need more 1st rounders not just to draft players (we have less talent than some realize) but to give us future flexibility in trades. I don’t see BI as a guy who is worth that large of an investment for a team like ours. If we were 1 or 2 players away, maybe. But even then like i said, i don’t think he’s a good fit. We need to stockpile shooters and versatile athletes who help space the floor and keep the offense moving. We literally have maybe 4 or 5 guys worth keeping. To put so much in 1 acquisition that we’re then forced to take on a bunch of ‘leftovers’ to fill out the roster is not smart long term or short term. We are not acquiring top free agents so we need to draft and trade well. I don’t think this is it. At all. Sorry for the long post. I appreciate the time and thought you put into your video but i could not be less enthused about your ideas though. Lol peace bro.

At this point I just want Asur Thompson to start at PG while Cade goes to SF instead..oh and change the coach to Silas Stephens

Trade Stewart n duren

Hire Adam Simon as GM rajon rondo as hc trade Stew sasser the 5th pick 2029 first 2030 pick swap three seconds to Utah for Lauri markken resign fronttechio and grimes get oubre hartenstien cp3 in Free agency start Cade Ivey Fronttechio Lauri Duren with cp3 grimes asuar Kelley hartenstien perfect team to grow together

These are garbage moves🤦🏽‍♂️🤦🏽‍♂️🤦🏽‍♂️