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With all the money and devs they had, they should have been able to release Paladin, Spiritborn and like 5 others before asking for more money.

Saying “we went for a D2 direction and people didn’t like it” is gaslighting at its finest. It was at most 5% D2 and was missing 95% of D2

It would be nice if they added more Diablo into D4.

I'm old enough to remember when you bought a game you owned it and it was complete.

This is the first time in Diablo history that I found out about a new class being created and completely forgot about it, no excitement for the new class whatsoever.

Paladin is their free revive item, they won't release it until they need to revive the game, because they are scared that what they do is not good enough to mantain people playing the game.

The fact people are preordering the expansion is mind boggling to me. D4 JUST became playable a YEAR after launch with season 4. No chance I’m buying off the rip again. I’m holding back and ensuring this is worth the money after reviews come out. Fool me once….

1 new class in a dlc that costs the price of a switch game is a cop out

I don't have anything against a cosmetic shop but $25-28 for a skin is just nuts! Why do these things cost more than $5-8? I haven't bought any skins so far but if they cost $5 I probably would have spend more than the $30 they want for a single skin right now. I really wish they would just lower the cost and let me spend my money in a guilt free and totally ridiculous way.

Guys, this is Blizzard's last, last, last, last chance

Having played Diablo 1 & 2 growing up, and Diablo 3 being the biggest gaming disappointment in my life, I can say that of course there is no Diablo 2 in Diablo 4. The series isn't Diablo anymore, and it stopped being that after Diablo 2 LOD. The creators of the original game Condor Studio who became Blizzard North, and were subsequently dissolved after failing to meet development timelines were the people who forged Diablo from an aspiration to a reality, and without those people, without their core tenants, you cannot continue a novel genre defining franchise without the great minds behind what made it unique and successful in the first place. You're seeing businessmen and hired staff try to figure out how to branch a history they weren't a part of with a future that they got taught about in school, funded by a cosmetic store where a single flying mount can do more gross revenue than an entire game with a 20 year history.

Bounties in D3 felt way better to me than the whispers do currently.

D4 devs saying they went the D2 direction is insulting af.

Diablo IV's main problem is that it's boring. Grinding the same limited pool of content over and over again isn't fun, and the only people who would enjoy it are hardcore loot gambling addicts... I say "would" because D4 loot sucks ass, so its hard for me to see how it would satisfy anyone. With D2, you'd play through the campaign, and then either play the same campaign again with a new character or on a higher difficulty level. This works because the progression through the campaign naturally provides variety and a constant goal to work towards (a goal that isn't something meaningless like grind 10,000 seasonal reputation points or whatever), while the campaign depth is deep enough that you don't feel like you are mindlessly repeating the same content. What does D4 do? It throttles the absolute shit out of your progression if you want to play the campaign (you can hit the lvl 50 soft cap easily just by playing through the 1st chapter), taking the fun out of the experience. Or you can skip the campaign and lock yourself into a tiny amount of repetitive and lackluster content... man, I sure do love sitting in one place farming 500 helltide bosses in a row. Or the same 4 boring, grindy Pit bosses again and again and again...

I’m playing Elden ring, sitting in the POE2/Monster Hunter: Wilds waiting room. I refuse to play D4.

I can stomach not playing a Paladin because of the lore but what I can't is choosing a new class no one asked for over a legacy class (Witch doctor, Amazon, Assasin, Demonhunter, Monk), Blizzard has not yet even added curses for the Necro, fixed the Druid or given an actual offline mode and yet they had the cojones to compare D4 to D2. Thank God alternatives like POE, Last Epoch & Grim Dawn exist so that I don't have to constantly listen to blizzard's BS and how they "listen to the players' feedback"while constantly showing their "Lilith Only fans edition"

Anyone else kind of mad that the loot goblins stopped dropping the loot bags? Its not like the drops from them were all that great, i think i got like 1 item that i actually used out of dozens of bags. Why is Blizzard still removing inconsequential things? when they should be filling out the gameplay loop before the expansion.

2:00 What? Nothing LITERALLY NOTHING about Diablo 4 is ANYTHING LIKE Diablo 2

In D2:LoD the itemization is just great. Whites, blues yellows, uniques and sets all have use. Things drops for all classes and isn’t tied to what your playing so it could literally drop an item that leads to building another toon. I’ve played d2 so much since I was a kid and still haven’t seen some items drop. The chase can last 4ever.

The largest problem with D4 is mobs scaling up to your level. It kills any sense of progression and power fantasy.

Wait, at 19:00 he says he used the overlay in the corner. Which is basically what d4 has with a map in the corner. Why d2 overlay was so awesome is because like d1, the overlay can go in the middle of your screen, taking up like 70% of your screen. Its transparent so you can still see the game and whats going on. It just makes it so you DONT end up staring at the corner like he said he was doing which is exactly what i do in d4 and which is why i want the oldschool overlay. Run on sentence forgive me.

They 100% did NOT go in the direction of D2. If they did they would have introduced a completely different itemization system. The items are what makes or breaks these types of games and D4 is nothing like D2. I stopped playing within a short period because you are inundated with uniques and legendries (same problem with D3), but before you are level 30. From there you just replace the same item with the same item, only difference is ilvl and rolls. The diversity in itemization is lacking as well as the builds. I don't want to run around with +5,000% vulnerability damage. It is so egregious and dumb to look at.

Once you play another game after Diablo 4 it makes you feel like you've been wasting so much time.

Diablo IV is only Diablo because they bought the name. Just like how Star Wars is only in name since Disney bought it. I'm done being fooled by Blizzard lol. They took a loyal customer who bought everything and made me buy nothing for a while now and I don't see ever going back.

I just started playing again like a week ago. Got a hardcore character to 56 and died 😢 started right over again and am at 68. I really like the change’s they’ve made.

Mercenaries available with the purchase of the expansion pack. We are effectively paying for features we used to have in base game diablos.

Maybe they should: take notes from D2r, and make loot 1. impactful and unique, 2. much less loot. implement single player offline, and at least 10x stash.

According to DM, Diablo IV is a litter of kittens. The game has endless lives. How many times has he said, "This is the end?"

They need to add a few dozen angelbreath to every whisper cache

Sound is WAY undervalued by gamers and often devs. For example, compare the Lilith fight with Ursfa, The Matron fight in PoE2. The audio in that fight is insanely good! (and creepy af)

I have been yawning so hard over the Spiritborn as soon as I heard it announced. Really, is that the most exciting idea Blizzard has got for a class?

BRING BACK SET ITEMS... But make them have badass stats. I remember in D2 full Trangouls made a Necro turn into a vampire and move much faster. Something like that for each character would be awesome and easy to do.

Saying “we went for a D2 direction and people didn’t like it” is gaslighting at its finest. rod continues being pathetic.

definitely minimal elements of diablo 2. diablo 4 is a diablo 3 with dark shadows

I'm not paying another penny on D4 until they give me a Paladin. And I really feel like they screwed us over when it wasn't in the base game.

i will be very unlikely to spend more cash on D4 with POE, POE 2, Last Epoch etc all in play

D2 is still king. You don’t get any excitement from gear drops is in D4 like D2. POE2 looks more in line with pace and probably gear progression. D4 is just a auto loot game and season 4 was easy

Did they not learn anything from Torghast? This will become a choir very quickly.

if the spirit born is the replacement for a Paladin & they do not plan to give us the Holy class DEMONS!

I'm a hardcore Diablo fan who has played Diablo 2 religiously since 2001 and all Diablo 3 seasons prior to Diablo 4's launch. Diablo 4 is trash, it's my least played ARPG out of my seasonal rotation list of D2R, LE and POE. That should not be the case. Considering Diablo 2 has zero new content, Diablo 4 should be played more. The leader of this team has no idea what the fuck he is doing. Time to clean house and fix this monstrosity. I don't even have that much time to play games (I'm Blizzard's target audience) and it's JUST NOT FUN.

PvP would be ultimate endgame. Clan v Clan. Immortal did PvP very well.

Been playing Wuthering Waves. And one of their activities is a rogue like play through a mix of mobs and boss fights. But you get a choice of upgrades that are varied that at the end you are doing insane things that is not possible in the base game. Like spam your echos and chance on hit to rain down fire balls. Successful dodging gives increase crit rate etc.. at the end you get currency to go thru a tree of upgrades to make your next play throughs easier and or attempt harder content. Wish D4 would do something like that instead of just waves of harder mobs.

People keep demanding the Pally but i can guarantee they will complain about it when it comes out.

I'm worried blizz thinks the new class is enough... and the new mode is enough... that to me doesn't sound like an expansion. I also hope they add new skills to classes like necro that seem to be lacking options. D2 had like 11 curses we have 2 and one is unusable

One thing I hate is skins that break immersion, like pink vader or characters from other games I can't override with defaults. Any multi party game with skins I must assume will do this 4 years down the line so I must avoid such games until they are on massive discount.

The number one issue with the game is the game itself. This game was not made to be played, it was made to sell cosmetics and mount skins.

Here's the thing I don't understand. What's the point in magic and rare items if they are never EVER useful or needed? D3 ran into this issue to the extreme.

They had like 4 years of making this game, had over 9000 employees working on this game and wasted like 300 million dollars on this game and this is what they got to show. 😂

My kids and I started playing from Game Pass. I haven't played since Diablo 1.

They think Spiritborne will save them. Tells me they still dont know whats up. Its cool.

blizzard is a storied pc gaming company that sells games off name recognition alone. i enjoy d4 enough, but lets not pretend the game itself and not the franchise and game studio name sold those copies. every diablo game is going to be the fastest selling diablo game. gaming in general has grown exponentially and will continue to do so.

Idk, paying to play a game I already paid for last year is kinda crazy to me. It took them so long to fix it that they want me to pay for diablo 4.5

Maybe building a cash shop first, then trying to figure out the game that would exist around it was a bad idea.

The D2 LOD grind to lvl 99 took forever...

About the free Platinum, when the game launched the first rewards from that season where free Platinum. Still have my 666 plat. Hope they add it like you suggested.

A big reason uber unique/chase items don't work in D4 is because 1. there is no trading of those highly sought after items, 2. having smart loot makes trading more limited for specific classes, 3. Like you said they all feel the same they are either busted or useless no specific use cases.

the only thing i want from d4 is more stash tabs on d2...

We all expect a certain base level from Blizzard products, but they are not the same studio. The people who made the games we love are long gone

V Rising took over D4 for me. I still have it installed but I’m gonna go back to it years later when it’s officially complete. I’ll treat it like D2 lol

If poe2 was already out no one would be talking about this

283 points to shape a build. Players are penalized to reassign each point. D4 punishes players to try out different builds.

Somebody is Bellulars channel made a comment that I found funny. D4 devs made a great store for a meh game

I agree, d4 was never like d2 or an upgraded version of d2

The no moustache scared me😂

Crazy the price tag for the expansion. it's embarassing.

they need a system that uses xp past lvl 100. D3's Paragon, DI's paragon, I like D4's paragon boards (kinda, they need a ton of work), but something to also want to make u grind out more xp along with the loot search

I got the Xbox game pass just to try D4... And as a D2 player still to this day, I refuse to play d4 at lvl 23 I well full geared out in legendary items.. and at that point when you realize you can just do a helltide and move all your core legendary powers onto gear, you realize right there you already beat the game... In D2 you have to spend countless hours getting to lvl 92 to just get to a point that you can actually craft good items... And @Darthmicrotransaction TV, did you beat the under bosses and farm the keys to get a torch? Did you actually kill uber Diablo? That's when the game gets intense, being a lvl 86 hardcore player and fighting Uber Diablo shit gets wild making sure you don't die... Because that's countless hours, not just like, 6 hours of play

D4 is fun until the season content is maxxed, and that does not take all that long.

90% of my PC gameplay is with no sound or 5% master volume. Randomly one day I fought Belmont in V Rising with audio and the voice acting and his lines gave me goosebumps. So good.

I was going to give S4 a try but then I saw the expansion. I'll just wait for that.

Tried D4 from Game Pass with a friend in a co-op before S4, i got bored and annoyed with it in the first 3 Acts. Friend was Barbarian and he kinda liked it, i was Sorc and hated it, always stuck without mana or in cooldowns. And in all that play time the story and game play didnt do anything for us

The problem with D4 is that they are trying to make it like D2 when they don't have the capacity for it (the actual developers of that game left) and are just coming up with similar and worse ways. While also some things in D2 may not work on today's gaming experience either, such as taking months to farm one rare piece of gear, or even longer to max level a character. In today's gaming experience, we have a LOT more alternatives than back then, so players can easily stop a game when it gets boring and go for something else.

I absolutely cant stand Belluars' constant head shifting and blinking to not so covertly hide the fact he is reading a script. It just fucking kills me. 🔥💀🔥

The only thing "D2-like" in D4 is the Diablo name.... The game only sold like it did BECAUSE of the name. IF people had waited to see reviews and watch gameplay, it would not have sold as much, not nearly as much.

Literally all the in-game gear looks like trash

It's not just about character progression for me. It's about account progression. My goal is always to progress several characters. I want more items to be usable on multiple characters. I feel like that's something D2 did incredibly well. You can find an item that maybe isn't that useful on your current character, but is insane on another. That incentivizes people to want to play all of the classes in the game.

The infernal hoard should have been the prelude to the Lilith fight because that's what the cinematics suggested.

Bottom line - I won't pay for a game that doesn't even have my class in it. They can make the case for slow rollouts blah blah blah. No monk, no Crusader, None of my money. I won't pay for what blizzard wants me to have. I pay for what i want to have.

Paid expansions in a seasonal live service game is a HUGE fk no.

Why do all D4 coverage creators side note how this was a success for Blizzard? Who the fuck cares? I don't, is the game fun because it made alot of money? No. Was it good for the players that Blizzard made alot of money? No. Who in the Hell doesn't get pissed off at that little cliff note that creators put it, like some P.R. cheerleader

I think going Spirit Born instead of Paladin is Rod saying "we still know better" and that's going to be an issue. It felt like at the start of D4 Blizzard had this attitude that they knew what was best, when the empirical evidence pointed to that they really did not. Creators like Rax have gone on record saying lots of fixes that have come in over the seasons were things they brought up in like alpha testing. The biggest success thus far in season 4 is just Blizzard implementing a bunch of things the fans have directly asked for such as copying LE's exalt system, removing "damage on tuesdays" affixes and giga-buffing helltides. So instead of being like "hey if we do things the players want the players are happy" they decided "F the players we are doing this new class nobody has ever asked for instead of Paladin which literally everyone has constantly asked for". Bold decision to willingly ignore all the lessons you just learned over the last year.

Have they fixed the character creation yet so you can customize your characters? Will give it another shot then

Bellular is sus can’t say I fully trust his angles, blaming d2??? Wtf

Well this season was my first D4 season since it came to gamepass, all I have to say I'm glad I didn't spend 70-100€ on it. Its fun for a bit but between normal and uber bosses the gap feels too big and by the time I reach that point to start grinding for ubers I'm already bored with my class. Should have some different kind of content its basically 2 kind of the same dungeons (one being just greater rifts), bounties and helltide(which I found the most fun but after leveling 2 characters through it I had enough). But idk what they could do, loot isn't memorable/interesting other than like 2 uber uniques, also it doesn't feel impactful to get a bis unique or legendary, if you are in between the normal and uber bosses it just makes you kill trash mobs a tiny bit faster. Classes are meh having like 3 builds that are "supported" by the devs, everything else is leagues under those, there is no hidden mechanics/interactions to find. Bosses are ok but I miss the PoE audio queues because here the boss just does something that you have to react to in half a second, or its a red highlight on red/dark ground. I could rant more but probably noone will read this anyway lmao

Blizzard saying they used D2 as inspiration for D4 is like Ford saying they used the ‘67 Mustang Boss as inspiration for the 2024 EcoBoost SUV Mustang. There is absolutely no comparison. Itemization, and also the feeling of EARNING those items, is paramount to ARPGs like these. To this day it’s so difficult to find a game that does this as well as Diablo II did, which is a huge reason why people still play D2. It just feels good to play

This guy gives me the vibes that he doesn’t actually play the game. Just gets his info from streamers and makes videos accordingly.

I still play season 4. Best season so far.

I don't think itemization can be the answer to his question, honestly I think it starts with a strong rebirth system that ties into account and character progression in a way that is meaningful yet balanced.

I agree 100% itemization makes or breaks the game long-term. Season 4 moved it from pointless and broken to barely passable by ARPG standards and look what happened. People WANT to play this game but terrible design choices make it painful(nightmare dungeons anyone? Who thought having 3 different mechanics that chase you around so you cant stand still was fun/engaging/upped the difficulty beyond just annoyance???? How did this make it out of the concept room???). I hope they keep moving in the D2 direction as you stated. I have a fear that the devs are going to focused on the simplification part of the season 4 changes and not the forging/masterwork power creep fantasy. Some variety needs to be added back in without the atrocious damage on Tuesday mess that it was before. Craftable uber-uniques and how they were implemented in general also worries me. At this point I fear that non one on the dev team has even played Diablo 2, or can even do math based on how the game launched and the continuing problems with multiplicative vs additive slingshoting some classes/builds. Their answer so far seems to be to cap everything, capping paragon nodes next season, capping armor, capping movement speed etc, which sucks and takes away from the build variety and the choices you have to make in itemization, just fix the damn math like every other ARPG. It seems like each class was it's own separate design team and they did NOT communicate or share a common goal for where they wanted power/mechanics to be by end game, also half of them flunked their high school math class. I hope they can understand WHY season 4 is so successful and try to trap a little bit more of the lightning in a bottle that was D2. Props to the D4 story team though, great campaign/story/cinematics/worldbuilding, it's such a shame that the bones of the game were so bad at launch giving the whole title a bad name when parts of it really were incredible.

2:15 Im fine with never finding an uber unique. All the streamers complained that they werent finding after all the time they put in and new people were finding. So what, that's RNG and thats what made them "Omfg I FOUND ONE". My guess is D2 didnt originally have seasons that reaet things though

BRO! You shaved the stache!?!?!?

We're continually framing the issues around gameplay and its systems, but the basic problem with D4 is that drops aren't stimulating enough. The heart of POE is the loot lottery and build diversity, and how both of these feed and feed off of the economy. Varied and unique item power is what drives this. When you play POE you can find something that is so powerful that it's worth an insane amount of currency, so interesting it drives you to make a new build, or both. Item value is inherently driven by the trading economy, which just doesn't exist in D4. To take us back to 1992, "It's the economy, stupid." In POE we're willing to slog through rehashes of the same loot pinatas because of this. The leagues are table settings and recipes, but it's the same meat being cooked, and we're here to eat, not to taste.

4:40 that argument is no-sense... they could still do Diablo 4 for oldschool fans AND grab new fans too... it's not one or antoher... they could have done D4 good like D2 was and still gather a bunch of new fanbase.

Bellular has really gone down hill and pretty cringe overall, he simps for wow, but will trash anything else. He actually lauded MTX in one video (starfield) then went on another video and slammed MTX. Many of his videos he'll have a title in the video and then literally doesn't or even discuss the actual topic in the title. He also needs to just give upon that horrible comb over and just shave the head, or try keeps or something else. Edit: they went in the D2 style in terms of the pace and difficulty, D4 was slower, had less enemies to kill at a time much like what D2 was.

"If you die, you've just wasted the last 20 minutes." This is why I refuse to play games with XP loss on death. The devs of such games do not respect the players' time.

i used all my baneful hearts up actually, people dont like spending theirs which is silly since they dont get rewards so i always get stuck using all of mine,

I realized the biggest issue with D4 is the static map. The blind exploration of the old Diablo was so engaging but in D4 it’s run across the map to the objective as fast as possible to a boring dungeon. What happened to the mega dungeons?

i tried d4 via gamepass, felt boring. No spirit to it whatsoever, but the cinematics were nice, maybe their cinematic guys are still passionate about these things. The game is visionless therefore it has no soul, their vision is 'what will make the most money', which isnt really a good vision at all for a game imo. Its different when things spring to life because of inspiration and a vision, like when metzen made that map of azeroth. When you have no vision you will just try to emulate the success of the past, and they thought it was Diablo 2 way of doing things, but times change, and without eyes, you wont see that.

D4bad it is nothing like D2 at all