He went from persecuting them, to being the one who basically carried it over the finish line after the original adherents died off. Yep, it's almost trumpian.

Paul is is is a modern day politician.

@@jamesarnette1394 The OG of gaslighting, over promising, and under delivering. Which should be the definition of religion, really. All of them, they all suck, and should be abolished.

Tyler, you say that like ancient politicians weren't even worse. Amazingly. As horrible as mid-20th century politicians were at their worst, that's about as bad as 1st century ones. It's honestly impressive.

"modern day politician" or he'd made a modern day cheating - lying - televangelist making himself rich in the loving name of jesus.

That's true. I'd really love to see where the saying originated from

@@mikeymik2 Is this a question?

In 1st Corinthians 9, Paul was referring to money that you earn for YOURSELF, not for preaching the gospel. This is evident in the examples he gives, as the people in the examples use the money for THEMSELVES. In 2nd Corinthians 11, Paul is referring to money that he uses to pay for traveling. This is evident in how he refers to other churches supporting him in order to serve others. He’d have no reason to lie about his money in 1st Corinthians 9 as he could easily make money there and get away with it while getting charitable money like in 2nd Corinthians 11 to help pay for travels. Paul was in prison while in Philippi. He didn’t ask for the gift but they did it anyway because they loved him that much. Paul didn’t take money from them for HIMSELF, rather it was for his ministry. He pointed out the example of the Macedonians refusing to pay for his travels (Philip. 4:15-16), so the Philippians did it instead, and they did it again with Epaphroditus. The money was for Paul’s ministry, not for him.

@@Nameless-pt6oj That sounds very similar to what tv preachers say about their private jets

@@David..832No wonder preachers are always big fans of Saul. 😜

😄 basically

😆Reminded of an old joke which I am butchering here: There is a service in Synagogue. The teaching was about our humble state in front of God. A less than “stellar” attendee overcome with remorse, prostrates himself in the aisle and exclaims repeatedly, “I am nothing, God. Nothing.” There is a sympathetic murmur from the congregation. The cantor mutters side-of-mouth, “Oh, look who thinks he’s nothing!”.

He didn’t invent the humblebrag, but he knew how to use it.

"Oh Lord, it's hard to be humble....when you're perfect in every way" Anyone else get that song stuck in their head? lol

@@jezebelvibes From Amish Paradise: Think you're really righteous? Think you're pure in heart? Well, I know I'm a million times as humble as thou art

LOL, Paul would tell them to mail there $1,000 donation & prayer request to the address on the screen. Oh, no TVs yet, well, you know what I'm saying.

Paul has his megachurch, Roman Catholic.

@@manuelcastaneda7838Jesus Christ started Catholicism. You are typing and absent from the lord

​@@manuelcastaneda7838😂 protestantism bar none!

Basically he has, when you look at all the Christian churches who use his letters and so called conversion as their doctrine.

You read my mind, man. I was thinking that maybe the televangelists realized what Paul was doing and realized the potential for getting rich off of preaching. Then again, maybe I’m giving them too much credit. Doesn’t matter if they understand the Bible or not, really. As long as they’re good manipulators who can spin a good yarn.

Why couldn't miracle man Saul miraculously invent a television.

LOL i'm sayin!

The Bible says so, so it must be true. /s 😅

@@kmurphy0620The napkin religion is the one true religion. It says so on this napkin.

How do we know you are not lying?

@@Justas399 Because, like Paul, he told you so.

He is a self-made man who worships his maker. This was said by Benjamin D'Israeli about John Gladstone.

The biggest difference between Paul and Joseph Smith is time. Since Joseph Smith existed during a period where there was a lot of literacy, many people left writings about him, many of which are not complementary. Paul had the advantage of being remembered through a few letters - at least some of them of dubious authenticity or outright frauds, all of them edited by unknown hands - and he had a powerful church backing him that made sure that only their narrative survived.

Paul believed in Jesus Christ and Joseph smith made a religion that blasphemed God. There’s such a great difference

@@jrwtutor I was raised in the Mormon church. My parents were married in the Manti Temple shortly before I was born. As a result, I am very familiar with the Profit (intentional misspelling) Joey Smith. A good read on him is Fawn McKay Brodie's "No Man Knows My History". Ms. Brodie was a niece of Mormon prophet David O. McKay and therefore intimately acquainted with the workings and history of Mormonism. It must have been embarrassing for a prophet to have his niece excommunicated for heresy. I myself renounced voluntarily my faith. I am now atheist. Joey Smith has one of the most educated and powerful churches of our age for his backing. As with most churches, his history is carefully concealed and "packaged" for selling to credulous folks. Point blank: the guy was a crook and a fraud.

@@holotrout Not as much as you would like to think. Paul was responsible for stripping the Jewish character from Christianity, opening it to the gentiles and spreading his specific form all over. When the Romans sacked Jerusalem in 70 and burned the Temple, Judaism took a big hit and had to change to survive as a religion without its most sacred site. Paulian Christians had no problem with this and thus they became the dominant form of Christianity (which, of course, fractured into various forms). Jews of the time would have considered Paul to be a blasphemer in the same way you feel about Joseph Smith.

There's a modern-day Paul (pastor) with net worth of $760 million, private jets, mansions, yachts. Corrupt empire.

Paul Osteen

@@christophergibson7155 Take the Branches out of Thine Own 🌿👁☘️

@@_eLz_ Benny $inn Ministries

​To be a lying lying lying crooked ChristopherT.

Try Paul out again!

All it took was reading the whole Christian Bible and you realize that Jesus is just a profit and Paul lied in order to make money, because none of the ones who hung around with Jesus said he was a Son of God the only son, the only thing you have is written by allegedly man named John which was a hundred years after death.... Many suspect it was Paul anyway😂 Very astute for an 11 year old and I was more adults were as astute, but they'd rather give away their children's future and money in order to be given a hope😢

​@@holotroutwhich bits? The bits that he actually wrote? Or the bits that were added in, 300 years later? Do you want to keep the bits from paul that contradict what Jesus taught? The church has largely chosen paul over Jesus. The results are not good. Look at calvin. Murdered over 100 thousand people, thinking he was doing God's work. I was brought up calvinist. The never taught us that about him.. all we knew was that we were right, and predestined and chosen... And that we were hideous horrors of sinners, even as babies. I wonder how much child abuse flourished in that attitude? Cause it can be justified with that kind of thinking. How about we give red print another try, and leave paul out of it? He has some great quotables, but makes a dangerous theologian.

You say: “Paul had to defend himself from people calling him a liar several times, so he was probably a liar.” Let’s use your logic. I say: “You’ve had to defend yourself from Christians accusing you of only wanting to enjoy your sin several times, so you’re probably a liar.” Also, Christianity was a very controversial religion in the 1st Century. It wasn’t popular like it is today, they thought it was horrendous (1st Cor. 1:23). They likely would’ve thought Paul was lying. You yourself know that the Old Testament warned against false prophets, you know which verses I mean. Therefore, it is likely many would accuse Paul of being a false prophet, especially with how controversial Christianity was. Finally, the things that Paul was accused of lying about; they could easily check up on him and he was well aware of this (watch Apologetics Squared’s videos on Paul’s reliability).

In 1st Corinthians 9, Paul was referring to money that you earn for YOURSELF, not for preaching the gospel. This is evident in the examples he gives, as the people in the examples use the money for THEMSELVES. In 2nd Corinthians 11, Paul is referring to money that he uses to pay for traveling. This is evident in how he refers to other churches supporting him in order to serve others. He’d have no reason to lie about his money in 1st Corinthians 9 as he could easily make money there and get away with it while getting charitable money like in 2nd Corinthians 11 to help pay for travels. Paul was in prison while in Philippi. He didn’t ask for the gift but they did it anyway because they loved him that much. Paul didn’t take money from them for HIMSELF, rather it was for his ministry. He pointed out the example of the Macedonians refusing to pay for his travels (Philip. 4:15-16), so the Philippians did it instead, and they did it again with Epaphroditus. The money was for Paul’s ministry, not for him.

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She may look that way, until you actually do some research on her claims.

Same, you summed it up.

​@@nicholastrudeau7581I mean, she provides the source material on screen. And nothing she says seems to oppose the Biblical scholarship.

@@nicholastrudeau7581 Since the bible is based on fictional stories and here-say passed down over generations before it was even written down, research means nothing. You may as well research Harry Potter or the Lord of the Rings. You'll get just as much truth out of those.

One of the sponsors of hired mercenaries Christopath and Judas.

Anyone being compared to the evil Kenneth Copeland is downright scary. The description of Satan doesn't bring as much as Copeland does!

happy you're here! :)

The devil will make anyone believe this world is all we have so when we die we go down to hell with the world. Do not let the devil close your eyes and I pray Christ finds you

@@holotrout On the contrary, diving deeper into the Bible in an attempt to draw nearer to God can cause the same belief lol

@@mainaime2566 I grew up Nextdoor to a once Catholic turned atheist. I have been beyond tested and never folded and here I am trying to help you even though your lost so I pray you seek Christ and find love

@@mainaime2566 yes it can unless… Jesus calls on you to read it. If he didn’t to you then your lost and need to repent.

You're on to something there!

"My grace is sufficient for you, for my power is made perfect in weakness. Therefore, I will most gladly boast in all of my infirmities so that the power of Christ might dwell in me." 2nd Corinth 12:9 I think people presume that Paul is talking about boasting in his successes and would rather die than not be able to do that when really he's talking about boasting in his weaknesses and would rather die than not be able to do that..

@@connerredel9971 I just heard this for the first time an hour ago so I’m not taking a definitive stance, but his first letter says that he wants to be about to boast and then he talks about how he doesn’t get paid, (I do intend to read the rest of that chapter but it’s only been an hour so I haven’t yet) and then your quote from his second letter weeks/ months/ years later he says I boast of my infirmities, it seems like he got an objection to his first letter and rephrased his second letter to counteract it. I’ll look into this later, but I am coming at it with a skeptical bias so if you’d like to give me a supporting narrative ahead of time I’ll take that into consideration.

Like the original Mormons, ain't them?

​@@connerredel9971No one cares about what you think mah boi.

How do you know? Or are you lying about KNOWING Paul lied?

@@christophergibson7155 Bingo! But hey, at least Liz is self-assured in her self-deception. The lack of self-awareness is staggering.

@@JimCastleberry Paul literally admitted he was a liar. So yes, we do KNOW he was a liar. 1 Corinthians 9:19-23. He writes how he lies to further the christian agenda and to "win people over". Your lack of self-reflection and critical thinking is not "staggering" but embarassing.

@@Finckelstein You are lying to claim your tendentious reading is a fact that you can KNOW. You know nothing of the sort.

@@JimCastleberry I absolutely know it. Here's the bible passage I refered to: "Though I am free and belong to no one, I have made myself a slave to everyone, to win as many as possible. To the Jews I became like a Jew, to win the Jews. To those under the law I became like one under the law (though I myself am not under the law), so as to win those under the law. To those not having the law I became like one not having the law (though I am not free from God’s law but am under Christ’s law), so as to win those not having the law. To the weak I became weak, to win the weak. I have become all things to all people so that by all possible means I might save some. I do all this for the sake of the gospel, that I may share in its blessings." Sorry but the founder of your religion is a big old liar.

Eh, that's Acts, which is largely regarded as late fiction. Paul says he persecuted Jesus followers but never elaborates on what that means. As far as we know he's just lying about that too. We don't really know one way or the other.

@@rainbowkrampus exactly. Reminds me of “I used to be an atheist” lots of apologists use and rarely stands up to investigation.

And ditto the "I totally owned that atheist professor!" boasts. And Paul would rather die than stop boasting! @@pansepot1490

That’s exactly what happened. He sold the Christian’s out to the Roman’s, made the arch nemesis of Christianity into the head of Christianity. It was all very clearly a scam

@@christophergibson7155why are you here? Your not going to persuade anyone. The only reason I can think of is so you can try to start shit with people that are beyond your grasp of intellect. Your wasting your time. It’s not like we don’t have good reason to call bullshit.

What did you think about the four gospels?

Same. The Gospels give us at least a glimpse of what the person of Jesus must have been like, and James gives us an idea of what a more Jewish Christianity might have looked like: a strong focus on ethics, forgiveness, humility, mercy, non-retaliation, and service to the poor, all as an expression of loving God and neighbor. Instead, we got the mythologized God-man that Paul seems to have mostly invented out of whole cloth -- the teacher and sage reduced to a proxy blood sacrifice to keep you out of hell.

@@3ggshe11s What if I told you that all three perspectives are complementary and it is possible to arrive at a synthesis? But not if you think like you do now.

How's the Gospel of Luke working out for you since Luke wrote the Book of Acts, which testifies to the truth of Paul's apostleship. "And God wrought special miracles by the hands of Paul: So that from his body were brought unto the sick handkerchiefs or aprons, and the diseases departed from them, and the evil spirits went out of them." ---Acts 19:11-12 (Written by Luke) But wait, didn't Jesus say in Matthew 12:26, “And if Satan cast out Satan, he is divided against himself; how shall then his kingdom stand?” Does that mean you'll stop reading the Gospel of Luke now? Don't worry, I have several more proof texts. To you ALL the glory, Lord Jesus Christ.

Why would we need the teachings of Paul if we have the teaching of Jesus? We don’t

Lol! Paul didn't choose the grift life, the grift life chose paul.

@@jezebelvibes it was his calling

“I used to persecute Christians” is the first century equivalent of “I used to be an atheist”.

@@christophergibson7155 You are describing Paul. Proud, braggart, went around scoffing at how the Christians were doing their thing and telling them how to be Christian. That's what his letters are. Paul's pride.

@@christophergibson7155 So Paul did NOT say he would rather DIE than be able to BOAST?! Paul didn't write the Letters TELLING OTHERS how to be a Christian? Go on. Tell me when the NT was re-written to exclude Paul doing any of that.

Why are you basing your experience of the Bible from misinterpretation of the life of Paul? It is the most beautiful book in the world. I sought the Lord, and he heard me, and delivered me from all my fears. (Psalms 34:4) How is Kristi delivered from all of her fears?

@@christophergibson7155 Respectfully, exChristians don't buy your bullshit. You think trolling exChristians with your message of repentance will draw them back? lol. You probably feel persecuted now. I spent over 30 years believing Jesus was the Christ and rose from the grave. When I actually took the time to examine the evidence for the resurrection I was no longer convinced. If Jesus didn't rise from the dead the whole world is still in sin and you should be pitied (1Cor 15:17,19)... except if Jesus didn't rise from the dead, Christianity isn't true and sin is a myth. I feel sorry for you... for how blind you are to the truth. _"It's easier to fool people than to convince them that they have been fooled."_ -Unknown

​@@apostolicdoctrine101do you fear god?

I would guess that about 70% of Bible stories are pure fiction, particularly in the Old Testament. These stories had many different authors, each with their own views, and many are ancient myths. The OT vicious God figure was certainly made up in man's likeness, and is completely different to the God of perfect love, that Jesus teaches . He also teaches that it is impossible that a perfect God could have created an imperfect world of earthquakes, viruses, predators, disease and death. This is so obvious, that only a fool could believe He did.

@@christophergibson7155 SO if you are taking to people that realize the bible is not the infallible word of a god when why would you think it would do any good to quote bible verses to them. It is laughable. You make a huge mistake in that you don' t think you have to prove what you believe is real before tring to push it up someone else's butt aa real.

Wow!! So happy to have you here :D

Lots of respect for ex-Muslims, since it's a death sentence to admit that in some places. As an Athiest in the US, I have it easy, even in a red state.

Islam, Christianity and Judaism are all based on the mythology of the ancient Hebrews. It is obvious their mythology was an excuse they fabricated to justify their supremacist rhetoric. I am also an agnostic and it would be a better world if there were many more of us. Good luck to you in these troubled times brought on by the horrible mythology of the ancient Hebrews.

@@amandahuginkiss6868 yeah , who leave the islam got killed , as an Egyptian the Religious intolerance is very common among Egyptians A lot of respect for you too

@@jezebelvibes I am so glad you replied my comment ❤

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That's neat. You never met they guy, but being a true professional mental health profession, you pull a big diagnosis outta your ass and slander away. Great stuff. I'm guessing you're an atheist. Morally bankrupt and divorced from accountability.

Wow, I hope you accomplish this work. Sounds very interesting!! I believe that there should be a cognitive/psychological analytical scientific approach to such self acclaimed religious cult leaders like Paul, Joseph Smith, Mani, Muhammed, etc. I would definitely check it out. 👍👍

Paul was the original incel. A full blown paranoia + entitlement issues that ties in to the modern versions worst impulses.

..don't forget that paul thought the devil was talking to him, so a little schizophrenic

Where did Saul get these disorders from? Look no further than gawd the father and gawd the criminal son.

@SheepOfChrist818 so you like to troll these accounts so you can correct people who agree with the content? That must be exhausting. But hey, whatever gets you into heaven 👏

@SheepOfChrist818 Anyone who can't admit he could be wrong is trolling

@SheepOfChrist818 About anything, but usually religious topics. You know you are a imperfect human. You know you can believe something and be wrong about that. You know people have false beliefs. So, with all those in mind, what makes you think you are immune to be wrong about God and his message? Do you think you are better? Smarter? More lucky? Where did that pride of yours come from?

@SheepOfChrist818 I don't need to put words in your mouth, i knew you would put them in yourself. "I already have confirmation that my God is the true God" Tell me, are you, or aren't you, 100% certain of this claim of yours?

@SheepOfChrist818 God must be a terrible parent if he reduces his children down to their (inherent) flaws. It's the equivalent of a director blaming the actors for a lousy script.

I am TOTALLY HUMBLE! Trust me, bro!

Or maybe he just made it all up

No they weren’t. The scriptures talk about the gospel being PROFITABLE to those who believe it, because God tries the heart as silver is tried. It’s spiritually discerned and Kristi doesn’t understand because the blind cannot see. Psalm 66:10 (KJV) For thou, O God, hast proved us: thou hast tried us, as silver is tried. Zechariah 13:9 (KJV) And I will bring the third part through the fire, and will refine them as silver is refined, and will try them as gold is tried: they shall call on my name, and I will hear them: I will say, It [is] my people: and they shall say, The LORD [is] my God. Will a man ROB GOD? God desires all men be saved and false teachers keep people from believing, as well as people who don’t believe the truth of the gospel…It’s robbery because I would have rather preached to those who would have PROFITED from the gospel than to a church of tares. It’s actually beautiful. Hebrews 4:2 (KJV) For unto us was the gospel preached, as well as unto them: but the word preached did not profit them, not being mixed with faith in them that heard [it]. 1 Corinthians 3:7 (KJV) So then neither is he that planteth any thing, neither he that watereth; but God that giveth the increase. Malachi 3:8 (KJV) Will a man rob God? Yet ye have robbed me. But ye say, Wherein have we robbed thee? In tithes and offerings. 1 Peter 2:5 (KJV) Ye also, as lively stones, are built up a spiritual house, an holy priesthood, to offer up spiritual sacrifices, acceptable to God by Jesus Christ.

Exactly! I always thought Paul having a vision of Christ was shady as sh¡t. Essentially, he had a psychotic break or he was a huxter. I mean, how many people have or had visions of Jesus, since Paul, who weren't put in the Bible? Today, most people who claim this are either hospitalized or they are a huxter, who runs a megachurch.

@@noneofyourbusiness9635 blah blah

@@christophergibson7155 Nah, all you need to enter the kingdom of god is blunt force trauma to the head.

Here is a "what if" that makes perfect sense. Christianity emerged during a period known as the "Second Sophistic". The Wikipedia article on this subject is introduced this way: "The Second Sophistic is a literary-historical term referring to the Greek writers who flourished from the reign of Nero until c. 230 AD and who were catalogued and celebrated by Philostratus in his Lives of the Sophists. However, some recent research has indicated that this Second Sophistic, which was previously thought to have very suddenly and abruptly appeared in the late 1st century, actually had its roots in the early 1st century." In Plato's Protagoras dialogue the Sophist Protagoras describes Sophists this way: “Now the art of the Sophist is, as I believe, of great antiquity; but in ancient times those who practiced it, fearing this odium, veiled and disguised themselves under various names, some under that of poets, as Homer, Hesiod, and Simonides, some, of hierophants and prophets, as Orpheus and Musaeus, and some, as I observe, even under the name of gymnastic‐masters, like Iccus of Tarentum, or the more recently celebrated Herodicus, now of Selymbria and formerly of Megara, who is a first‐rate Sophist. Your own Agathocles pretended to be a musician, but was really an eminent Sophist; also Pythocleides the Cean; and there were many others; and all of them, as I was saying, adopted these arts as veils or disguises because they were afraid of the odium which they would incur.” It seems entirely reasonable to understand this as a description of professional conmen, but it also offers an explanation as to what Plato was attempting to describe in the famous Allegory of the Cave. Protagoras is presented in Plato as an exception the above described MO since he was an admitted Sophist, however, in Plato's Theaetetus, Protagoras is described this way: “In the name of the Graces, what an almighty wise man Protagoras must have been! He spoke these things in a parable to the common herd, like you and me, but told the truth, his Truth, in secret to his own disciples.” And this is obviously a "parallel" to the Gospel version of Christ in Mark 4:33-34: "With many similar parables Jesus spoke the word to them, as much as they could understand. He did not say anything to them without using a parable. But when he was alone with his own disciples, he explained everything." If it quacks like a duck...

John 10:27 My sheep hear my voice, and I know them, and they follow me: John 10:4 And when he putteth forth his own sheep, he goeth before them, and the sheep follow him: for they know his voice. John 10:5 And a stranger will they not follow, but will flee from him: for they know not the voice of strangers. _Jesus is the Messiah and the Good Shepherd. Within New Testament writings there is only one who came after Jesus and spoke as the dragon and made claim to had done what only what Revelation records the dragon did._ Revelation 12:17 And the dragon was wroth with the woman, and went to make war with the remnant of her seed, which keep the commandments of God, and have the testimony of Jesus Christ. _Who was it that came and made war against the church?_ Acts 8:1 And Saul was consenting unto his death. And at that time there was a great persecution against the church which was at Jerusalem; and they were all scattered abroad throughout the regions of Judaea and Samaria, except the apostles. Acts 8:2 And devout men carried Stephen to his burial, and made great lamentation over him. Acts 8:3 As for Saul, he made havock of the church, entering into every house, and haling men and women committed them to prison. Acts 9:1 And Saul, yet breathing out threatenings and slaughter against the disciples of the Lord, went unto the high priest, Acts 26:11 And I punished them oft in every synagogue, and compelled them to blaspheme; and being exceedingly mad against them, I persecuted them even unto strange cities. Galatians 1:13 For ye have heard of my conversation in time past in the Jews' religion, how that beyond measure I persecuted the church of God, and wasted it: _Paul speaks as the dragon. Paul is the voice of a stranger._ _It is Paul who came along and made “war with the remnant which keep the commandments of God, and have the testimony of Jesus Christ.”_ Revelation 12:17 And the dragon was wroth with the woman, and went to make war with the remnant of her seed, which keep the commandments of God, and have the testimony of Jesus Christ.

@@KeepingWatch95 You have your context all wrong and this invalidates your interpretations and the interpretations of others that you are parroting. The proper context is found by following certain allusions and having the proper sense of how this allegory works. For example, I am sure that you are familiar with this: "One of the heads of the beast appeared to be mortally wounded. But the mortal wound was healed, and the whole world marveled and followed the beast." Revelation 13:3 Since the healing of a mortal head wound is an extremely rare event it makes for a perfect allusion. In this case it alludes to this passage from Josephus' Wars of the Jews: "In the mean time, Josephus, as he was going round the city, had his head wounded by a stone that was thrown at him; upon which he fell down as giddy. Upon which fall of his the Jews made a sally, and he had been hurried away into the city, if Caesar had not sent men to protect him immediately; and as these men were fighting, Josephus was taken up, though he heard little of what was done. So the seditious supposed they had now slain that man whom they were the most desirous of killing, and made thereupon a great noise, in way of rejoicing. This accident was told in the city, and the multitude that remained became very disconsolate at the news, as being persuaded that he was really dead, on whose account alone they could venture to desert to the Romans. But when Josephus's mother heard in prison that her son was dead, she said to those that watched about her, That she had always been of opinion, since the siege of Jotapata, [that he would be slain,] and she should never enjoy him alive any more. She also made great lamentation privately to the maid-servants that were about her, and said, That this was all the advantage she had of bringing so extraordinary a person as this son into the world; that she should not be able even to bury that son of hers, by whom she expected to have been buried herself. However, this false report did not put his mother to pain, nor afford merriment to the robbers, long; for Josephus soon recovered of his wound, and came out, and cried out aloud, That it would not be long ere they should be punished for this wound they had given him. He also made a fresh exhortation to the people to come out upon the security that would be given them. This sight of Josephus encouraged the people greatly, and brought a great consternation upon the seditious." (Wars of the Jews, Chapter 13, paragraph 3) Since Josephus was at this point aiding the Roman army it should be obvious that the "Beast" served as a metaphor for this army. With this clearly defined context, it becomes much easier to interpret the allegory that surrounds the allusion.

​@KeepingWatch95 Jeremiah 1:5 Before I formed you in the womb I knew you, before you were born I set you apart; I appointed you as a prophet to the nations Galatians 1:15-16 15 But when God, who set me apart from my mother’s womb and called me by his grace, was pleased 16 to reveal his Son in me so that I might preach him among the Gentiles, my immediate response was not to consult any human being. The Apostle Paul was obedient to Jesus Great Commision in Matthew 28 by being baptized by Ananias in water and Paul preaching the whole will of God the canon- the entirety of scripture as Jesus also commands in the Great Commision. Both men Ananias and Paul were OBEDIENT to God's commands. You're a messenger of satan

Love it, haha

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Good one

Pretty sure if she were a Sunday school teacher, the church would replace her faster than you can say “collection plate”.

@SheepOfChrist818 If you worship such a strong god, why does it rely on its peons to defend him. Can't your god figure out something better?

@SheepOfChrist818 This is the reason why I generally don't debate. You couldn't see the truth if it was a snake and it bit you on the ass.🐍

@SheepOfChrist818 That any powerful god needs an army of extremely corruptible sinners to save people from hell. I mean, you think that a god chooses a corruptible little old you to save people from hell; the same god that allowed himself to be tested and brought down a stream of fire to pour down from heaven, to burn up a wet altar. This same god relies on fallible humans to save others from eternal torture in hell. That would be an extremely important job that is better suited for an all knowing/powerful/viewable god. All-in-all, it seems like a stupid plan to me.

​@SheepOfChrist818 Here's another head-scratcher. In the New Testament, Jesus did not give a bunch of 'Thou shalts/nots.' One major command that Jesus UNDENIABLY gave to people was to sell all of one's possessions, live communally, and keep everything in common. Jesus precisely told his followers to live like primitive communists. Ask a typical Christian and they'd say that capitalism is what Jesus wants for us and communism is evil. Reconcile that. Direct command from Jesus ≠ American Christian values.

​@SheepOfChrist818But runaway gawd is not talking to anyone, just hiding. You false prophets, like Mr Sheep, are doing all the bleating.

@thedesertwarrior7447 You are absolutely right. I agree with you on the 'women' issue also. Women seem to be more intuitive and can see through deception better than most men so paul had to quiet them lest they influence the men.

A new lear jet. lol

@@mikeymik2 The Christian churches have always relied upon prostitution to fund them.

@@mikeymik2 did you start believing in the Bible because you first studied it thoroughly? or did you first believe in it because you were a naive person listening to the preachers and only then started to read the Bible, which is _confirmation bias_ by definition?.. right, right..

@@mikeymik2 I, too, was brain-washed. having studied the Bible and Christianity, I stopped believing. I didn't plan it, I actually was a super sincere believer. however, I'm a lot happier now. so please study the Bible. I'm glad you've found this channel

@@mikeymik2 if there was a box with the truth about the universe, God and religion, would you open it? before you answer, keep in mind one important thing: the truth might differ from what you believe in right now

He came from a wealthy family and had a job making tents- which was quite profitable, I've read. But I certainly don't think he was refusing payment from several churches.

@@jezebelvibes I doubt that as well. I think I have to read the Bible more thoroughly…I didn’t know he made tents. I believe he did skim off of the churches, though. I can’t say he’d be wrong, though. All of the traveling and lodging…he had to eat. But, if he was living like Jim and Tammy Baker…well, that’s a different story

@@pagandeva2000 Yeah, I heard he had a huge amusement park in Thessalonia named Pauly World, there were camel rides, fig eating contests, pagan god target 🎯 practice and many more ancient arts and crafts.

@@homespuncovers89 I suppose he sold tickets to raffle the Brooklyn bridge 😂

@@pagandeva2000 Absolutely! That’s where the 50/50 raffle was invented, but it was for a bridge over the River Jordan…

I actually didn't put too many thoughts to this because the gospels are revelation of God. I died once and it kinda got a revelation that many Christians will turn against each other and deny Christ. So unfortunately, my faith in Christ is 100%. So my argument towards Paul's words, maybe he did produce miracles. For Jesus said this in my name would perform such. Yet ask for money is tripping me. Good job. Though I'm a believer in Christ from a testimony from NDE, I love her break down of Scripture. I do not respect Jesus like I used to, unfortunately I've seen two face Christians back stab me, even to refer bible to me...they were involved in sick stuff. Cops wouldn't listen to, that's when I start to question God of allowing evil to prevail under his control.

@@paulgavian90 do you think that the revelation you got while being physically unstable and very close to shutting down completely was actually trust-worthy? rather than it was produced by a dying brain trying to find any hope whatsoever?

Thanks so much :)

They overlook it because Paul provides the gospel of 'grace'. New rule...no rules.

​​@@annajustice7620 Exactly opposing Jesus and his apostles. There is a reason Peter didn't like him and was often at odds with him and his teachings.

You suffer from the same bad theology as the moderns/Evangelicals. America is paying a hefty price for not having traditional Christianity in its history. It was founded on Protestantism - freedom to interpret the Bible subjectively and create your own version of Chistianity.

And don't forget, the person who wrote "The Night Before Christmas" saw Santa and his reindeer, so they're real too.

​@madeirafonseca6383 you have Santa syndrome 😆

I too was raised a catholic; my holy water evaporated when I eventually read the bible for myself instead of being ‘taught’ the palatable parts.

I've always contended that when you push Christians hard enough about why they believe, nine times out of ten it's simply to avoid hell.

Not sure how much pressure your churches have been putting on to you guys🛐⛪📄 avoid going to hell seems a subtleness being waited for explorers to me the bible only teaches me free ticket going to heaven

​​@@tonypoon7779the other side of the same dishonest, manipulative and church-enslaving coin

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According to the book "Zealot: The Life and Times Of Jesus Of Nazareth" by Reza Aslan, Paul had no use for "Jesus-in-the-flesh." Never walked or talked with him. All he had was his so-called meeting with "Jesus" on the road to terrorize early Christians. (The last two sentences are mine).

he made up the 500 witnesses tho

Wish I had some sage advice. If you decide to tell her the truth, be prepared for the worst outcome, but try not to let it make you bitter or angry. Good luck.

Deconverting to what? Atheism is idiocy.

@JimCastleberry Good point Jim. Let's stick to praying to the Sky Wizzard who never communicates back or answers prayers, who left us a highly conflicted book with silly stories we know for a fact never happened.

I'm going to be in the same boat soon. I'm moving to the Philippines & will date Catholic women there. At some point the topic of religion will come up. LOL, crap, then what? If I say I'm an atheist they will run away screaming. If I don't say something I'm going to have to go to church every Sunday with them. Suggestions anyone?

@@danmurray1143 They should stay away from you. I wouldn't trust an atheist to feed my dog. I suggest you stay home and not spread your atheist virus to people who don't share your Godless worldview.

She's using conjecture, and it's false. She's slandering Paul here. She's also admitting he was a real person.

@SheepOfChrist818 Of course some of us don't think all of that is a good thing.

​@SheepOfChrist818considering that Jesus preached strict adherence to the Jewish law and Paul almost totally abolished it... And then the Empire who crucified Jesus appropriated his religion and continued committing war crimes in his name. And that the biggest church in the world (Paul's legacy) has behaved exactly like the whore of Revelation... Yeah, Paul totally destroyed Christianity and made it a "spiritual" refuge for lazy hypocrites.

Don’t feel ashamed of yourself for struggling with ironing out the last bits of religious baggage. It sinks its teeth in deep. Deconversion isn’t always easy.

If you want the holly book claim as original revelation verbatim words of Almighty creator i have references so just do justice give the chance of original revelation at least you realized that kind of information already exists but almighty just waiting first step from the creation us to receive the message should don't delay..

thank you so much @@dorememe8548

Your anxiety is not unusual for people who have been brainwashed with fearful things. Time will help you to get over the issue. Sigh, and Christians want to say it's not a carrot and stick religion. Yeah, like, "Believe in an all loving God who happens to also torture people for ETERNITY"

Thank you so much ❤

Evangelicals worship Paul, not Jesus.

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​@@3ggshe11s Because fraudster Paul has taught evangelicals the art of the steal. Jesus was slow.

I think Paul was gay also.

It's too bad we don't have any of the letters from churches to Paul. I think it would help fill a lot of the missing pieces.

@@jezebelvibes Things that make you go ..hmmmm

We're also missing a couple of the letters from Paul to Corinth (the letter he mentions in 2 Corinth doesn't match 1 Corinthians). I've always looked at it as Paul receiving no money from the Corinthians but instead drawing on support through tent-making and gifts to him from churches in other cities. When he asks for money from in 2 Corinthians 8-9, I expect he was planning to give it to the church in Jerusalem because of the famine there (cf 1 Cor 16:1-4, Rom 15:24-28).

@@nathanbanks2354 he talks a lot about paying his own expenses

Yes, that's what he claimed in another letter, that he was giving the money to Jerusalem. But he was facing accusations that he was in it for the money from more than one portion of his growing Christian world. He was in fact the world's oldest snake oil salesman. And if he had not decided to go to Rome he might have had a good life. But he signed his own death warrant. I'm sure he has some kind of martyr complex going on in addition to his pre-existing conditions.

Thanks for watching!

The fraud begins with..."In the Beginning"........

@@mikeymik2 The death of Moses (Aquarius) aka winter solstice in the sign of the waterman, marked the precession of the equinoxes from the age of the Bull to the age of the Ram. However, come next January, Moses with his thirty days of rain, will return.

@@mikeymik2 Now, Now....we should not call the holy bible "crap in the barnyard." Which it really is.

@@mikeymik2 I will pray to Jupiter, the Heavenly Father, for you.

​@@christophergibson7155And how do you know, you're not the one who has been lied to all those years.

​@@christophergibson7155 If you want to make such claims, you need to be more specific, until then you are f.o.s.

Do you really think this is digging deep?

@@apostolicdoctrine101 Yes, deeper than most people are willing to dig. I have always thought that Paul was a fraud. I question things, which got me in trouble often at the Catholic boarding school, where I spent four years of my precious youth.

@@christophergibson7155 Are you going to clarify??? Or are you fond of hit and run?

Unfortunately I'm a bit behind! So my next video will be a few more days 🩷

@Brad-in-Texas It's wonderful that you found and recognize the Messiah. Why do you identify as 'christian' though? Gentiles are grafted in to The Messiah, not the other way around. I distance myself from that moniker as much as I can.

@sherrydubois6164: point well made. And I pride myself on being articulate :) I actually do always eventually point out that I am Jewish and part of the natural vine, but when speaking with Gentile Christians that do not yet have information on my journey, I often start by mentioning I am Christian in order to facilitate bible discussions......albeit, without noting whether Jew or Gentile. Say......if young would like to dig into some good discussion, please let me know.....our Tribes are warming up for the return of Mashiach to Eretz Yisrael, as we speak! Yasher Koach!

Okay I understand that's like me using the name Jesus when I know it's not Jesus but that's what they understand blessings

Paul violated the Torah instructions in Numbers 6 on how to complete a Nazirite Vow by shaving his head somewhere other than where the Altar was. This proves to me Paul was not a student of Gamaliel, nor was he a Pharisee because he would have known better if he was.

Thanks for watching!

Yup. He preached that you didn't need to follow the "Law" (Torah) because you were saved by grace, etc. But Jesus never threw out the Torah. Otherwise, if "Christians" believe we don't need to follow the Law, then why recite the 10 Commandments?

But he died to himself and only christ lives through him! 🫠

@@jezebelvibes just as narcissistic as Jesus was

@@jezebelvibes "I have been crucified with Christ and I no longer live, but Christ lives in me. The life I now live in the body, I live by faith in the Son of God, who loved me and gave himself for me." Galatians 2:20, NIV That's one of my favorite verses, Kristi (I think that's the one you're alluding to, maybe). I wish it were truer in my life. My own anger and selfishness often control me more than anything that Jesus would do.

He was a huge braggart. He suffered more floggings, more prison, etc. "Imitate ME..." He got messages straight from Jesus. He said. He suffered from a "thorn in my flesh." Not exactly Mr. Humility.

Paul loved a good humble brag!

@SheepOfChrist818 Why should he preach a different gospel when it works as business model?

@SheepOfChrist818 That doesn't answer my question. Why should Paul preach a different gospel when it works to get people's money? Paul: Do what I told the Galatian churches to do. On the first day of every week, each one of you should set aside a sum of money in keeping with your income, saving it up, so that when I come no collections will have to be made. Of course he didn't to it for the money. You must be very naive or gullible. Be careful, there are people out there that may sell you a bridge. ;)

​@SheepofChrist818I see no evidence of remorse throughout the NT from Paul for any of his evil, murderous deeds he committed before his so-called miraculous "conversion". Nor do any other writers of the NT make the claim that Paul had remorse. And who are the witnesses to Paul's "conversion"? Matthew 18:16 says that everything is established "by the mouth of two or three witnesses". Over and over again, Paul plays the victim, endlessly reminding the reader about HIS persecutions as an "apostle". It's all about Paul and his "special" calling. Well, I'm not buying it, since much of what Paul claims is divinely given to him directly contradicts what Yahusha was teaching. Paul was a Pharisee and son of a Pharisee. We must remember what Yahusha warned about regarding the Pharisees. He warned people to beware of the leaven of the Pharisees. Yahusha accused the Pharisees of adding to the word of God. Their teaching was corrupt. Yahusha NEVER said that every Pharisee was not to be trusted... EXCEPT for Paul. Nor did Yahusha make any mention of Paul to the disciples when he was with them. He didn't say, "Verily, verily, in the future there's going to be a Pharisee named Paul whom I'm going to appear to on the road to Damascus and assign a special mission to. Just telling you in advance so that you'll accept him as a legit apostle and believe his every word,... even though he's a Pharisee and the son of a Pharisee." These alarming points should be enough to convince anyone diligently seeking the true Word to stop putting Paul on a pedestal!

I came to that same conclusion about Paul during my deconstruction 😂. He wrestled leadership away from those that actually knew Jesus (Joshua, but that's a whole other conversation) then added a whole level of mysticism to his story to appease the pagans he was preaching to. We have a saying here in Australia, ' he was as shifty as a sh*t house (out house) rat'

Omg you're not wrong 🤣😭

Your theory of drawing multiple salaries (if I understood right) is brilliant.

Bart Ehrman did a talk on did Paul accept the teachings of Christ? Paul never quotes the teachings of Jesus. kzfaq.info/get/bejne/ldJ0rZmJqKvLfX0.htmlsi=21O9UXO-oD17Nwfc

He did!

​@@AwesomeWrench "had visions of Jesus..." Why're Christ followers, griftians in particular, always hallucinating? Are y'all on drugs or something?

​@SheepOfChrist818are you saved by faith alone or do works count?

@SheepOfChrist818 and there you have it. The Jesus from Matthew 7 totally contradicts, denies and speaks against such Pauline idea.

@@mikeymik2 reference above video where she said Paul basically says hey. Yeah I know I messed up but I did it for you. I made the sacrifice plus I'm anointed by God so you just kind of have to do what I say that moment. And besides that was an opinion. No citation needed on my personal opinion.

I just saw it! I'm SPEECHLESS. lol! I felt like it was more of a promotion than a rebuttal. I might make a response to it! Thanks for letting me know :)

You just made that up on the spot or read it on the internet.

@SheepOfChrist818 He doesn't have any. He probably gets his sources from the same place this lady does. If they actually read the bible instead of knit picking three scriptures here and there All their arguments would fall apart.

@SheepOfChrist818 I'll have to look for your comment.

And the Satan like look that came over his face.

@@razony Makes me cringe every time lol

If you believe only what makes sense then why are you on this channel?

No need to keep the baggage, religions make you irrational even if you say you "only believe what makes sense", and the basis of christianity is that magic is real and a person making a blood sacrifice (which is magic) is what will save humanity that makes sense to you? I mean, does not make sense and that's already the basic factor of christianity.

@@AntitheistHuman atheism is totally irrational. Leads to nonsense.

@@Justas399 thanks for showing you are a deeply ignorant person. Let me guess, you also think the Earth is about 6,000 years old 😂.

@@Justas399 go back to school and get off the internet, then you can talk about what is rational or not.

I'm betting not 😄

Lol that’s funny because I’ve been in a service where this was fully covered and spoken about and looked into with further verses with its full understanding and context not blind assumptions and assertions

​@@marktravis5162Me to the problem is the preachers all had a bias that Paul was just and good and thay anybody talking shit about him was one of those bad people Jesus warned us about. But actually it was Paul he was the exact type of person Jesus warned about!

@@temporaryname8905 If you’ve read his letters then you would know or rather should know that Paul was a follower of Christ and spoke truth, he also mentions the apostles and being among them working with them. Had he been false he would have accused them of being false. Also Peter acknowledges Paul as a beloved brother, and I highly doubt Peter could be deceived having been born again with the spirit of God in him. So the idea of Paul being false or against Jesus doesn’t work. That’s why it’s important to know what’s actually written

@@marktravis5162 paul was a lying sack and he hated peter