Me watching the video about Abbey: 😏👏🤘 Me watching the video about me: 😲😒🤨🧐 (Also - I do agree with you that I shouldn’t have said “IS” leading to all of these issues vs 'is associated with'. But we all make mistakes lol)
@pouth1115 ай бұрын
I'm a huge fan of your channel and I gotta say I have so much respect for the fact you can take criticism we need more youtubers like you ❤
@hellothere47785 ай бұрын
Nice to see you are taking constructive critism well! I always like your videos !
@NewYearOldMe5 ай бұрын
Love Kiana❤❤❤❤
@Kx____5 ай бұрын
I watch your channel as well, i really enjoy you both and it's nice that you seem able to take things into mind and actually watch the video! better next time! we all learn from mistakes
@MadisonTaylorSeungri5 ай бұрын
you are an icon for watching this video, I love your videos and will continue to support you!!
@beatrizlorcar5 ай бұрын
If you eat ultra processed foods all the time you feel pretty bad, that's just a fact
@katokianimation4 ай бұрын
And hungry. You can eat as much as you can, but after an hour it feels like you haven't eating much. And the more you eat you just carve for more and more. Even that brown beadlike thing. I could eat 6 slices for sandwiches in every hour. while i couldn't eat more than 2 slices of (real) apple pie per a day. The brainwashing of social media is so deep folks are suprised to learn that junkfood is junk food...
@thevanessarosette3 ай бұрын
Yes if you eat them all the time. But they shouldn’t be demonized.
@steadystackin72502 ай бұрын
They absolutely should be demonized. UPF has no place in the human body. It's a free country so feel free to indulge, but don't pretend like there's anything good for you about UPF
@lindz7585 ай бұрын
As a watcher of both you and Kiana, I rewatched her video and I wanted to point out a few things I think you misrepresented about her video: 1. She clearly explains what she means by "predigested" 2. She makes a clear distinction between processed and ultra processed food. 3. She uses lot's of qualifying words such as "may be" or "could be" even in the first few minutes. At the end of the day, she's giving people something to think about in terms of reducing the amount of ultra processed food they eat which lets face it, is a major issue in our western diet, so what's so terrible about that?
@desiprankstv16055 ай бұрын
Finally someone said it! Lots comments here are completely missing the point, mocking Kiana by saying tofu and soaked beans are also predigested. No, they’re literally not. Processed =/= predigested. Just because everyone misunderstood, doesn’t mean Kiana is wrong or her take is bad. All this hate isn’t justified, Kiana is alright.
@valerijalapuh98945 ай бұрын
Agreed
@nikibronson1334 ай бұрын
👏👏👏
@Busyfigureskating4 ай бұрын
Agreed.
@katokianimation4 ай бұрын
She also refuted a scientific study and overruled the authority of the researchers based on how funny a picture looked to her. She compared homemade chips to ultra proccesed bread. Not chips to chips or bread to bread. She said it is the same to bake a potato and fry it with oil. No. One is minimally processed food. The other one is processed w culinary ingredients. This whole critisism is a joke. She has no idea about what is the system she don't like.
@alexwilder83155 ай бұрын
As an Australian, her video on the most obese country in the world was absolutely vital. I do not hesitate to tell people here how our meat consumption is effecting the lives of others overseas. Perhaps that video was predigested information, too, but either way it hooked me in, I watched it and I got value out of it and now I deeply care about something I previously didn't even know about.
@tinknal64493 ай бұрын
You are blaming meat for the problems caused by sugar, carbs, processed foods, and industrially produced toxic seed oils plus alcohol.
@GlowBreeze5 ай бұрын
I tend to prefer the term "hyper-palatable food" because it cuts more closely to the actual issue.
@Jessamine905 ай бұрын
I don't know what kind of apple pie people are making, but for me the one from the store is crazy sweet. Homemade pie is definitely more nutritious and has barely any added sugar, so I absolutely don't agree that it's comparable.
@torat29705 ай бұрын
right and not everything is macros. 10g of fat could mean a bunch of different things. is it trans fat? saturated fat? are there food dyes? like the 1:1 comparison of macros didn’t make sense to me
@wintersprite5 ай бұрын
@@torat2970Same with the homemade potato chips. Frying does not necessarily mean deep drying, and not all oils are the same either. This video seems to have just as many inaccuracies as the video it is criticizing. To me, “ultra-processed” is a newer term for “junk food”.
@e_i_e_i_bro5 ай бұрын
@@wintersprite Aren't you aware? There's only one way to make chips and pie at home. Drowning in oil and 900grams of sugar.
@torat29705 ай бұрын
@@winterspriteyeah i think both had inaccuracies. maybe they should collab and make an updated video lmao and ultra processed to me is fine in moderation, but it seems that most people don’t know what moderation is (evidence being the obesity epidemic)
@TC-by3il5 ай бұрын
I usually like these videos and the nuance is important, but I feel like you were a little too nitpicky on this one. Clearly the point was that some processing of food has an effect of how satiating it is, based on specific physiological responses. Hunger hormones and the brain is more than just macros.
@BhlackBishop12 күн бұрын
yeah and she's saying that's not a thing. It's associated not causing
@andreaglowig58445 ай бұрын
So I didn't bother to rewatch Kiana's video but I do remember watching it and then ending up buying a copy of Chris van Tulleken's book "Ultra-Processed People" about the drawbacks of ultra-processed food. I highly suggest reading it and trying to debunk his claims instead of going after Kiana's video - to me it seems like she just tried to do some sort of "teaser" for this important and complex issue.
@rothock5 ай бұрын
My biggest problem with her video is her suggesting it's not your fault you're fat and unhealthy because UPF made you fat. I worked at Mcd's for 7-8 years and ate their food almost every day for my break and never became overweight and have never been unhealthy in the 20 plus years since then. I just didn't overeat throughout the day. Most of what food companies are doing with food go towards food taste and longevity. The latter saves money for low income consumers as they do not have to throw away prematurely expired food. In fact I am old enough to remember a time when we thought food would come in pill form and we weren't freaked out by the idea but intrigued😂
@andreaglowig58445 ай бұрын
@@rothock I don't remember her making this suggestion. However, I would love for more people to become aware of the capability that ultra-processed food has to (intentionally or not) "hijack" their appetites and thus having the potential to make them fat without them realizing what's going on. Like I mentioned, I went on to read "Ultra-Processed People" after watching her video and it examines the topic from various perspectives in depth.
@mynameisambertoo73794 ай бұрын
I hate the lack of basic chemical knowledge either. Hydrolysis is a common reaction that happens *everywhere*. Not just the stomach. Your body does hydrolysis outside of digestion. This is why comparing something to a hyper specific action does more harm. Hydrolysis, to be plainly simply, is just... a reaction involving water.
@MichaelPennMath5 ай бұрын
2:45: pan-frying broccoli with just olive oil and salt: This is actually one of my favorite things to eat as part of my lunch!!!
@r-pupz70325 ай бұрын
Hell yeah 🥦🎉
@TasteOfButterflies5 ай бұрын
You have to admit it's pretty funny that she's demonizing predigested food while basing her video on predigested information.
@fabygoo5 ай бұрын
Looooool bless
@Kimberly345845 ай бұрын
😂 I love both these creators but this is funny
@MachelTheDestroyer5 ай бұрын
Oh damn
@e_i_e_i_bro5 ай бұрын
Are we pretending we have no idea what people are talking about when referring to Processed foods? We're usually referring to the types of foods that many scientists are deeply concerned with. The ones with additives, hormone dysruptors, and 200% of your daily value of sugar. Again, we're obviously not talking about boiling pasta or beans. I'm genuinely confused by this video because we have systematic reviews and meta analyses on this subject. There's a strong link between ultra processed foods and poor physical and mental health.
@Asjoden5 ай бұрын
💯
@wintersprite5 ай бұрын
Right. Ultra processed is pretty much meaning junk food.
@lindz7585 ай бұрын
Exactly
@TasteOfButterflies5 ай бұрын
We're not "pretending to have no idea", we're "asking for a solid definition" instead of demonizing foods based on vibes.
@e_i_e_i_bro5 ай бұрын
@@TasteOfButterflies "Ultra-processed foods (UPFs) are industrially formulated products made with ingredients and additives not typically used in culinary preparations, designed for high palatability and convenience. They differ from processed foods, which might be less altered from their original form and contain fewer artificial additives. UPFs often contain high levels of sugar, fat, and salt, with additives for color, flavor, or preservation, whereas processed foods might simply be canned, dried, or frozen natural foods with minimal additives. (Wikipedia)." took me 3 seconds. Most people seem to understand the context without having to search anything. She's talking about UPFs, not canned beans.
@lollsazz5 ай бұрын
I watch both of you, and in this case, even though there were some valid critiques, you didn't touch on most of them, and was instead critical about parts that IMO (as someone with a master's degree in biotechnology and food science) should bot need to be picked apart, like "what is pre-digested" - it makes sense to me what that is, not sure what to wonder about here. Also, claiming that thr same macros = same nutritional value is just insane - you should know better 🙄 Ultrqprocessed food are actually NOT necessarily "super delicious", but they DO affect our brain chemistry to eat them again: easy to get, easy to digest, blood sugar goes up fast. If ypu think emulsifyers, stabilizers and preservatives aren't anything to be concerned about, you better read up on that...😒 Also, you use "processed" and "ultra processed" almost interchangeably, which they are not (although there is a grey zone). Example of a valid critique: - a home-made apple pie can also now be ultraprocessed, as so many of the ingredients people use are not "raw materials", but already ultraprocessed
@Asjoden5 ай бұрын
👏🏽👏🏽👏🏽
@katokianimation4 ай бұрын
Perfectly said
@christopherbarnett68414 ай бұрын
Exactly this. I would never take nutrition advice from this youtuber at all. Claming the same macros for a McDonalds pie and homemade PIE is just terrible.
@NRGvideoproduction3 ай бұрын
Most of us are not hydrolysising at home 😅. The “industrial ingredients” is scary. Plus they prob get the cheapest materials
@ACooper19413 күн бұрын
I started hearing about ultra-processed food recently, and one of the early things you hear about it-- "it affects our brain chemistry" or "makes us addicted" makes it come off immediately as fear mongering. I can make food that affects your brain chemistry--I have sugar, salt and high-msg food (among other things that affect brain chemistry and cravings) in my kitchen right now, and I use "predigestion" techniques that make food hyperpalatable nearly every time I cook. Maybe there is actually something to using ultra-processed food as a category for advice to individuals (it seems like the place where there is actual value is in public health), but so far individual relatively scant studies that are then delivered to regular people with insane scare tactics and obviously ridiculous arguments are going to make people like me distrust the entire thing.
@culverculver9225 ай бұрын
Overall I agree with most of the points you made, but I feel like I have to defend the Kevin Hall study on the effect of food processing on calorie intake. The aim of the study was to investigate the effect of food processing (and only food processing) on intake. The difference in the meals looks funny because it’s not necessarily reflective of how a real world meal would be put together, but that’s because the aim of the study was to vary the extent of food processing while controlling for the density & total amount of energy, macronutrients, and fiber. If I remember correctly, they even tried to equate the palatability of the foods, as measured by subjective participant ratings. Of course the sample size was small, as the trial involved strictly controlling and measuring people’s food intake over a period of weeks. I think the real takeaway from the study is that food processing can lead to overeating by simply making food physically easier/faster to consume, regardless of nutrient content and even how tasty it is, and that this effect is significant enough to amount to hundreds of calories per day.
@WiseMindNutrition5 ай бұрын
A good point! We can't imagine sitting down and eating some of those unprocessed meals in one sitting, but totally easy to imagine eating the processed ones. The visuals were really shocking in pointing out how much extra food we are eating regularly by relying on convenience foods.
@jaska-jalmarixvi57575 ай бұрын
F.e. experts always recommend getting vitamins and minerals from food sources instead of vitamin pills. Also, foods that contain phytonutrients such as antioxidants have been shown to be beneficial for health. Yet extracted antioxidants have been found to have no benefit or have even been shown to have detrimental effect. Nutrition as a science is new and there's tons experts don't yet know. Every real health experts suggests to avoid processed especially ultra processed foods. You can't just use cronometer as a source to show there's no difference. Foods are made up on such a large variety of different compounds that interact with each other that to look at macro and micro nutrients is only a small part of it PS I don't think original video said potato chips or apple pie is healthy. Just that ultraprocess them and it's even worse. PPS canned beans is probably fine and healthy although lately people have been starting to pay attention to chemicals such as bpa, microplastics etc and their negative effects on health.
@torat29705 ай бұрын
This was my first thought. Like 10g of fat can mean wildly different things I wonder if she would think a vegan diet is healthier than a omnivore one as long as you’re getting all your nutrient needs met in each one? If so, why
@johannas.l.brushane25185 ай бұрын
Even vitamin pills have the recommendation to take them with food, because the uptake requires the chewing for releasing enzymes and the stomach and intestines to work a bit.
@katokianimation4 ай бұрын
Finally someone. Yes you should compare apple(pie) to ultraprocessed apple. Not home made deep fried chips to multi seed brown "bread". Nor pringles to the said brown "bread".
@alenfishman93655 ай бұрын
I just recently learned I'm sensitive to emulsifiers, I always had wacky poops, so I figured that's what life was. But s few years ago, I learned I had food sensitives. Just a few weeks ago, I figured out emulsifiers was a big factor. Now my intestinal issues are much better. I'm 40, so that sucks it took so long. Who knows how much damage I've done to my body because of these things.
@benitomussolini62934 ай бұрын
Pie is not a pie. Huge difference between buying one and making one
@gmcrow11995 ай бұрын
Yeah, I am a fan of Kiana but this video had me confused. Like it's trying to create fear of "predigested food" when to me that doesn't sound as bad as she is making it out to be. Yes, don't eat all these heavily processed foods often, but it being "predigested" doesn't make it worse than other foods.
@AyalaMatherd5 ай бұрын
Her qualifications: “I read a lot.” She lists no experience or degrees other than she’s an avid reader. I’m honestly surprised she has 500k subscribers, but then again, when you say things with confidence people are less likely to question what’s being said. * I’m not saying anything negative about you liking her, these are just my impressions from her channel and her clear lack of expertise and professional qualifications.
@ponny29485 ай бұрын
@@AyalaMatherdwhat’s unnatural vegans qualifications to speak on this? Seriously, not saying she’s right, but needing a degree or specific qualifications to speak knowledgeably on a subject is a little silly. It can lend credibility, but it doesn’t actually strengthen their argument one way or the other.
@Senfree5 ай бұрын
@@ponny2948 She often tells us she isn't qualified, but points us to the information in studies by qualified people, with links for us to look at.
@reiverdaemon5 ай бұрын
@@ponny2948it's more that that's on top of the logical leaps she makes. unnaturalvegan doesn't do that often
@zaldigr8635 ай бұрын
@@ponny2948 Also, unnatural vegan doesn't really demonize any types of food, but rather preaches about moderation/working out what's good for you. As someone who used to watch Kiana, i noticed the pattern of bait/overexaggeration in her videos. She goes through huge leaps without any sort of studies/stats to back it up sometimes, and makes her conclusion of the video based off of that. Not to mention, she's supposed to be an "objective" person who "studies" nutrition and discusses it, but randomly made a video about AH/JD and then started talking about body language (something that is literally scientifically debunked and not within the realm of what she talked about before). It became apparent extremely fast that she's not making these videos as a way to discuss nutrition and health in good faith, but rather just make bait-y videos that are overdramatized for money. Which is ironic because she constantly criticizes corporations for not caring about people, but solely about the money.
@justicejones76465 ай бұрын
Its bizarre to hear someone say that processed food is "nutrient devoid" when the problem with it is that it's nutrient dense. Fats, and carbs are nutrients too, and processed foods have A LOT of them. I think it makes more sense to say they are devoid of micro nutrients, bc processing foods removes or destroys many vitamins, minerals and other components like polyphenols.
@Cancellator50005 ай бұрын
I get what your saying, but when talking about nutrient deficiencies it's usually shorthand for micro nutrients. All foods are made up of fats, carbs, and protein. Things could be low calorie, low fat, high carb, etc., but if it's food it is made up of some significant amount of macro nutrients. As long as you are eating enough calories it is highly unlikely you would have a macro nutrient deficiency.
@alinebonifazzi32335 ай бұрын
You are confusing nutrient dense and energy dense. Ultraprocessed foods are often energy dense as they contain high amounts of fat and sugar (high in calories) but low in (micro) nutrients.
@justicejones76465 ай бұрын
@@alinebonifazzi3233 yeah, you are right. I looked up the definitions and I am referring more to calorie dense, but I still think it's good practice to not speak as if carbs and fats aren't nutrients. I just think Unnatural Vegan could have said things more precisely. I've seen layman get very confused when nutrition isn't spoken about precisely, to the point where it leads them to believe the wrong thing
@katokianimation4 ай бұрын
By that logic a table spoon of oil is nutritional. No. It has to be full of micros to qualified. Language dosen't work so rigorously
@pixxie3235 ай бұрын
I watched Kiana’s video and got increasingly irritated by her misuse/lack of understanding of the term “pre-digested foods.” Sourdough bread, yogurt, kimchi, curtido, cheese, etc. are essentially pre-digested foods via the benefit of the fermentation and culturing process. Fermenting foods makes them more digestible, increases bio-availability of nutrients, supplies the best source of pre & probiotics AND prolongs shelf life. I’m gonna go have a slice of homemade sourdough with cultured cottage cheese and fermented jalapeños and calm down.
@melodyandbryanphillips83045 ай бұрын
Yes, however at least Fermented is typically even better for u. Extremely processed is worse for u.
@maiaru5 ай бұрын
Exactly, that's what I think of when I hear "predigested". That means fermented or digested by some form of a microorganism before we digest it. That's good. Why are they taking this word and trying to make it equal to ultra-processed? We already have a word for it.
@michaeldonnan67675 ай бұрын
@@maiaru If you watched the original video you would know that's not what she was talking about at all. She's not talking about things that are "fermented or digested by some form of a microorganism". She's talking about foods being broken down via industrialized processes, not just adding a culture. Think about ADM breaking corn down into a dozen or so component parts and those parts being added into your breakfast cereal.
@michaeldonnan67675 ай бұрын
If you take the time to watch the original video she's not talking about cultured or pickled foods when she's talking about pre-digested foods. She's talking about ingredients that are created by through industrial processing and can't be made any other way. You're not wrong in the way you use the term "pre-digested" but it's not the same way she uses the term.
@johannas.l.brushane25185 ай бұрын
@@michaeldonnan6767True, high processed foods gives less gut bacteria. People who eat a large part of ultra processed foods have less gut bacteria, less uptake of whatever micronutrient that might have been added and higher frequency of mental issues. Fermented veggies would still require enzymes and the stomach and intestines to work a bit with it and thus get more uptake of micronutrients.
@sambasedsamurai93385 ай бұрын
One of the few Kiana's videos I actively disliked, you did a great job highlighting lack of evidence and goofy fearmongering.
@reiverdaemon5 ай бұрын
A lot of her videos are like that though...
@zaldigr8635 ай бұрын
@@reiverdaemon Exactly, i don't understand people that are like "omg she really messed up with this one" like.... that is literally what she does in all of her videos. She constantly over dramatizes certain aspects or literally comes up with conclusions from nowhere.
@gordonv.cormack32165 ай бұрын
The Hall study did not control portion sizes. Participants ate as much as they wanted. They just wanted less of the whole foods. The photos are just examples of the kinds of foods that were available, not actual servings.
@TasteOfButterflies5 ай бұрын
That's the point. They matched for everything but calorie density (of the actual food, not of the food + lemonade combined lol), and it turned out, unsurprisingly, that higher calorie density leads to more weight gain and it's questionable whether processing has anything to do with it at all.
@gordonv.cormack32165 ай бұрын
@@TasteOfButterflies Perhaps unsurprising, but not previously demonstrated in a controlled study.
@tristansnow5 ай бұрын
This is a very important point, that I think wasn't made explicit in either video. From the Hass study abstract: "Meals were designed to be matched for _presented_ calories, energy density, macronutrients, sugar, sodium, and fiber." I emphasized "presented" because I think one could be left with the impression the total intake was matched. Unsurprisingly people ate more hyper-palatable calorie-dense foods. (edited for italics)
@amy067885 ай бұрын
I usually enjoy Kiana's content a lot but this video didn't feel like her usual standard at all!
@therabbithat5 ай бұрын
Predigested food immediately made me think of how birds and some mammals regurgitate food for their offspring and it's so CUTE
@CoffeebeanerHtx5 ай бұрын
Both videos totally missed the mark. The reason ultra processed food is such a big issue is it’s everywhere, even in things we thought were healthy. Like Corn tortillas, fruit yogurt, or wheat bread. They are then driving overconsumption. Also, one of the main reasons that people are looking into UltraProcessed foods is the book by Chris Van Tulleken “Ultra Processed People” and neither video mentions it. In that book he explains why the gums are so bad for you. They can cause you to have a leaky gut by stripping the mucus lining of your colon. Also brought up by Tim Specter on Zoe science and nutrition. Also the tone of this particular video was so dang pretentious. I mean I watch lots of your videos and this one in particular 😬.
@asier_getxo4 ай бұрын
Not really. The reason they're bad is that many of them (not all) are low in micronutrinients, ultrapalatable and not filling. Which is basically what UV claims. The study itself shows that the "Weight changes were highly correlated with energy intake". IDK if you've had some the the "wholegrain UP-bread" that Kiana shows in her video, but I can assure you that after having 3 slices I'm unable to take anymore. Just as if I drink non-sweetened soy milk: it's not tasty enough for me to want more than a glass (and that doesn't happen to me with normal milk for example).
@aidenignition5 ай бұрын
I enjoy Kianas content, and I just took this video as her reporting on that one specific article. I read a lot of research while getting my bachelors so I don’t take a lot of things I watch/read online at face value. I do feel like Kiana’s history with her relationship with food gives her insight on what worked for her to make a change in her eating habits and as far as I know she’s never claimed to be a food science, diet, or any of the expert.
@alexanderbewick88675 ай бұрын
So glad you responded to this. I quite liked Kiana's channel when she used to talk about binge eating and the problems with how we perceive and treat those with disordered eating. But recently she's been very sensational with her content and has been pushing her own self help course, which is just a shame.
@thekatsup5 ай бұрын
Yeah! I loved some of her older content. The predigested food video completely lost me.
@alexanderbewick88675 ай бұрын
@@thekatsup Aye, I unsubscribed half way through.
@fanzbeans5 ай бұрын
Yes!!! She totally lost me
@SwedginSanFrancisco5 ай бұрын
Glad there are other members of her former fanbase who feel this way. She's had a few videos in the last year or so that don't pass the smell test, but I stayed subbed because I enjoyed her commentary on weight loss reality shows. When this UPF video popped up I just thought to myself "Yeesh, I don't think I want to watch this. Wait, why am I even subbed anymore?" and cleaned house. Ironic that I still wind up seeing it when Swayze makes this response video.
@tamcon725 ай бұрын
What I Learned Syndrome claiming another victim?
@oriongemini56635 ай бұрын
Isn’t blending fruit in a blender to make a smoothie a way of predigesting?
@KyleePicc5 ай бұрын
This would be considered a process food, whilst she is talking about ultra processed food! I don’t think many people out there are demonizing processed foods, because you are exactly right. Any cooked veggie is technically a processed food :)
@WiseMindNutrition5 ай бұрын
Yes! We would think that any form of cooking/processing is predigesting... chewing your food would also count as predigesting. There are so many valid reasons to avoid eating UPFs in large quantities - the "pre-digestion" is such a weird argument!
@ishathakor5 ай бұрын
it absolutely is. pretty much anything that's made notably a lot easier through processing can be labelled "predigested".
@asier_getxo4 ай бұрын
@@KyleePicc oh, but a home-made pressed orange-juice is far worse (except if you have just that specific vitamin C deficiency) than any wholegrain "ultraprocessed" bread. By a mile.
@zachzackzak5 ай бұрын
Shocking news about processed food: it's processed
@orlitamarov5 ай бұрын
As far as I’m aware, learning from my anthropology professor, “predigested” aka cooked food is the one of the reasons we were able to develop the brains we have. So yay to predigested foods 🤭
@TasteOfButterflies5 ай бұрын
I recommend the multi-part blog post "Fiber optics" by Anthony Warner on his "The Angry Chef" blog. It brings an interesting perspective on nutritional fiber, processed foods, and how processed food can be improved with the goal of improving public health. (His posts about fat and plant-based proteins are interesting too).
@nicolesapphire36965 ай бұрын
I think there may be a overzealous obsession with fibre. Yes fibre is good, but I don’t think every single piece of food we ingest needs to be super high in fibre. Lower fibre foods can easily be paired with higher fibre food.
@TasteOfButterflies5 ай бұрын
@@nicolesapphire3696 not every bit of food has to be rich in fiber, sure. But given that the vast majority of people don't reach even the modest goals set by nutrition guidelines, I don't think we're anywhere near the point of "overzealous obsession". It's possible to get that impression, because when you read a lot of nutrition blogs you hear about fiber a lot, but out in the real world, it's still a rather neglected nutrient.
@WolfeWrangle5 ай бұрын
@@nicolesapphire3696 I struggle to get the suggested amount even when I put in effort to do so. No way the average American is getting it on a daily.
@eviozyra63005 ай бұрын
im sorry but are really comparing Pringles to homemade chips/fries? They are not the same!
@eviozyra63005 ай бұрын
Same with the MacDonalds pie.. did you ever see a MacDonalds burger after a year? Pretty much still the same looking and you wanna convince us that these ultra processed food are not that bad?
@raygin65814 ай бұрын
Please elaborate why they are not the same
@asier_getxo4 ай бұрын
She's claiming both are horrible. Which TBH, it's true. The variation among many "UPF" in terms of nutritional value is far greater than the variation between many processed and UPFs, which makes the distinction pretty useless.
@gordonv.cormack32165 ай бұрын
I think that "hyper palatable" is probably more important than "ultra processed." Hyper-palatability is defined as two of: high salt, high sugar, high fat. There's some evidence that of the pairings high salt + high fat is the worst. I have experimented on myself by comparing my response to strawberry twizzlers vs. JuJube candies. They are both basically 1/2 sugar and 1/2 modified starch. But the Twizzlers are laced with sodium, and I have a great deal of trouble stopping eating them. JuJubes no problem. I still eat quite a few in a sitting, but then I feel full & stop. Similarly, I can eat a protein bar and not want another; a candy bar not so much.
@Slastukin675 ай бұрын
I laughed at those meal study photos. Yeah, if I ate a bushel of salad, I'd probably be full yet lose weight. What a mystery?
@WitchOfThePage5 ай бұрын
I do agree that not all processed foods are created equally. There's a big difference between plant milks and Gushers.
@taniabaron-dostie22914 ай бұрын
I can read a lot of fast food junkies in the comments. No wonder we are getting fatter.
@moodywrites5 ай бұрын
We all know white flour isn’t healthy. But maltodextrin and modified starch? Is broken down way faster, and not registered the same as something that at least resembles food. Doesn’t have nutrients. And also has so many industrial processes to make it that there are harmful byproducts. Unlike foods that have phytonutrients and natural compounds that can’t be identically replicated. It’s irresponsible to say “we have no idea what the effect of hyper processed foods and industrial chemicals are, so oh well. It’s probably fine. 🤷♀️” And in the same breath “Gee I really wonder why these diseases have gone 10x higher in the past 30 years.🤔” Studies are supposed to reflect real life outcomes. You want a study? Study the American population that eats 50% UPFs, even including those with average BMI. Do you really think we could study the 100s of additives and contaminants, combined together, daily for multiple years? Again, the USA population. Something doesn’t magically become true because it’s confirmed on paper. Disease rates and obesity rates skyrocketing so much in the past 30 years has something to do not only with processed food, but ultra-processed food. Saying it doesn’t is just denial. We aren’t eating food anymore. We’re eating powdered calories.
@11235Aodh5 ай бұрын
Or like that bowel cancer has risen 50% in people born after 1998, i wonder why this is...
@moodywrites5 ай бұрын
@@11235Aodh all of the autoimmune, chronic diseases, cancers, genetic diseases… genes don’t change that fast. You can’t say “sorry, we don’t know what causes half of the most common diseases” and then say “oh well I’m sure these man made chemicals from only the past 30 years are totally fine. We don’t have evidence otherwise!” Why would you want to wait for the evidence to confirm, in like 20 years? Why risk it?
@WitchOfThePage5 ай бұрын
The satisfaction you receive from eating a McDonald's pie is not the same as eating a homemade pie. There's no proof to give because it's who I am, so just an opinion. A McDonald's "pie" tastes like slop and a homemade pie actually does taste like "food" no matter how bad I want pie, I'm not gonna get McDonald's "pie" because I'd be left wanting pie... lol Making a pie does not have to be super labour intensive and if you can spend hours scrolling on your phone, You've got time to make a pie. If you don't want to make a pie, go to a local bakery, not McDonald's.
@e_i_e_i_bro5 ай бұрын
Nah mcdonalds pies honestly taste amazing. They have the formula down. It's trash for you and having culinary skills is the way to go, yes, but that ish tastes GOOD imo
@WitchOfThePage5 ай бұрын
@@e_i_e_i_bro I mean that's cool that it tastes good for you but for me it doesn't do it for me. lol
@torat29705 ай бұрын
i agree. the apple pies from mcdonald’s don’t scratch that “i want pie” itch and i end up still wanting pie after eating it. i’ll just go to a local bakery if i want some pie lmao
@ilessthan3cats5 ай бұрын
Was taking a sip of my drink when it panned to the “fuck ton of lemonade” and almost choked 😂
@TasteOfButterflies5 ай бұрын
I'm really glad you decided to address the latest nutritional bogeyman. I feel very pessimistic about the anti-UPF craze, because I have no doubt it will be used to demonize perfectly decent meat and milk alternatives, make people shun nutrient-fortified foods (soy milk with B12, calcium, iodine and homogenizing agent added to it is more "processed" than just plain soy and water, right?), do nothing to turn people away from Pringles and chocolate bars (because it's not like anyone thought they were healthy; people eat them because they crave them), and make people who rely on convenience foods feel like shit.
@pennywright72324 ай бұрын
Thank you so much for all the time you put into your videos! There's so much sensationalist nutrition info available online and it's exhausting trying to wade through all of it. I'd love to see you do a video on Complement Essentials supplements. I've seen a ton of vegan influencers pushing them and they sound great on paper, but I haven't been able to find any actual non-biased reviews.
@Pavkah5 ай бұрын
This almost beats the video I saw about the “science backed” “heat-cool-reheat method” for rice, other starches and the effect on glucose and blood sugar. Ummmm I’ve been using the “heat-cool-reheat” method my whole life ITS CALLED LEFTOVERS.
@Jade939725 ай бұрын
You're saying exactly what I was thinking when watching her video. I usually enjoy her content but this video was just full of buzz words that sound impressive to people that don't know much about food science or processing (but don't actually mean anything).
@laurenceapitz16785 ай бұрын
I used to follow her and literally unsubbed from her channel after watching that video. It's great that you are setting things straight.
@user-fo1ni8wz7f4 ай бұрын
😂 what a moron
@BaristaWithADog5 ай бұрын
My favorite KZfaqr making a video about my other favorite KZfaqr 🍿🍿🍿
@jeffpro8Ай бұрын
Seems like you're taking it lightly. 😂
@ishathakor5 ай бұрын
i don't think being able to eat healthy is a recent phenomenon. in recent history it's only been availabel to rich people but it's still an option. and really in some places ancient people seemed to actually have a fairly healthy diet. ancient romans ate pulses and grains and fruits and cheese and such, even poor people. a lot of fruits and veggies weren't considered luxuries (the ones that were native to your area would not be a luxury, for example) so people's diets would actually be quite high in fruit and veg. i think the "traditional diets are unhealthy" thing is kind of a myth that people have made up to feel like we're in some way superior to our ancestors but even they had figured out that you need to eat a variety of foods to actually be healthy. i'm indian and indian food gets a lot of flack from pretty much everyone for being unhealthy but i've found that it's actually quite healthy, if somewhat lacking in protein but this too can be fixed with portion sizes and in the modern day, supplements. pretty much the entire staple diet of north indians (im from the north so) is some type of pulses or lentils or beans with a bunch of vegetables plus some more vegetables, plus some type of bread or rice. traditionally it's considered a healthy practice to eat a bunch of nuts and dried fruits every morning (people like soaking these in water and then drinking the water which i find tastes quite gross). it's literally a traditional practice to eat more nuts and dried fruits in the winter. indian sweets can be extremely sweet and heavy in sugar and such but so are cakes and so on. indians don't eat these with every meal or every day any more than foreigners eat a chocolate cake with every meal but we still get shit for our diet being somehow fundamentally unhealthy.
@PlayerTenji954 ай бұрын
Which is wild because Indian food is so delicious! 😋 Idk how anyone could hate anything cooked in curry! 🙃
@XanderL5 ай бұрын
14:27 unless I missed a point, the size of the meals is completely irrelevant to the study, because calorie intake was controlled for.
@esteehanvey56475 ай бұрын
never thought I’d see this video.. I like you and Kiana, but you make a lot of good points here Swayze!
@chaos_production5 ай бұрын
I watched her video and I was wondering if it was just me when it sounded like just bunch of... words, without any real information. Especially the predigested food part, the whole time I was wondering the same thing, am I going to learn what exactly is wrong with it?
@larashore10005 ай бұрын
Something people miss about ye olden days is that life forced people to be more active. There are a ton of chores that are just easier now. People weren't eating drastically better if you look at the amounts of added sugar and saturated fats or how much fiber they got.
@purpleworm47255 ай бұрын
I am surprised to hear that you got the same micronutrients for both mcdonald's pie and homemade one. I agree - both are energy dense and we shouldn't be eating them often. But homemade stuff usually is made from higher quality, more nutritionally dense ingredients, e.g., it is rare to see shortening, emulsifiers or citric acid in home cooking. In processed foods it is common to see nutritionally dense ingredients such as eggs beings replaced with nutrient devoid emulsifiers, complex sources of savory flavor are often replaced by glutamate powder, lelmon juice - with citric acid. At home you can even make extra nutritious pies by trying to add wholegrain or alternative flours, less sugar or more complex sources of sweetness like bananas.
@wintersprite5 ай бұрын
Agreed. There are ways to make homemade pies healthier. Swapping white flour for whole wheat, almond flour, etc. Using allulose or monkfruit sweetener, or honey or maple syrup rather than high fructose corn syrup, etc. Even with the homemade potato chips, frying in olive oil would be different than frying in canola oil.
@leeseiberg24085 ай бұрын
Sorry, but… every time you squeeze lemon juice in your salad/soup whatever, you’re using citric acid. Glutamate occurs naturally in a lot of things, from soy sauce to tomatoes. If you add a spoonful of tomato paste to your sauce, guess what? You’re adding glutamate. And different proteins act as emulsifiers in things like custard, so… people actually do use all of these in home cooking, even if they don’t know. Not to mention there’s absolutely nothing wrong with emulsifiers, glutamate or citric acid. Shortening is different, but a lot of people use it from time to time, it won’t kill you.
@purpleworm47255 ай бұрын
@@leeseiberg2408 I think you misunderstood my comment. I have nothing against citric acid or glutamate. I am just saying that a squeeze of lemon juice or a spoon of tomato sauce has way more nutrients than bare citric acid or glutamate powder. Sure, one can make a healthy meal and sprinkle some extra glutamate on it. But in store you can easily find stuff like poptarts that contain nothing but some refined flour and sugar and no other ingredients with any nutritional value.
@pithygrapefruit5 ай бұрын
I think the point of the pictures is that the minimally processed food requires a laughably large volume in order to be nutritionally equivalent to the UP food. If you sit and think about the time to consume those meal, the minimally processed food will take much longer to consume and give more time, presumably, for the body to cue satiety versus the UP food that can be easily and quickly consumed. It puts into perspective how deceptively small amounts of huge calories of UP food can be.
@linzertorte40035 ай бұрын
Thanks for roasting this one. Kiana is getting a bit weird lately…she’s offering a behaviour course meanwhile I don’t think she has any meaningful credentials to do so. She’s just an enthusiast.
@erinmeadows145 ай бұрын
When she announced this course was when I unfollowed. I generally enjoyed her content. But for someone who used to remind people to stay in their lane she sure isn’t… it’s one thing to discuss your own success with behavioral change techniques but to teach people with no adequate credentials is a completely different one.
@desiprankstv16055 ай бұрын
@@erinmeadows14 God forbid if a creator is trying to earn some extra money for financial stability, offering you an optional product they put a lot of work into, which you are free to ignore if you aren’t interested. Making videos about these topics is fine, but putting some of it behind a paywall is not and somehow “not staying in her lane”? She’s more than qualified to sell a book/course that talks about her own perspective and experience and her own personal tips on how to stick with habits - it’s literally no different than any self-help book you can buy at a bookshop. Most self-help book authors don’t have special credentials either, they’re just writing about their own experience, offering their perspective on the world. She never claimed or presented it as a medical guide or substitute for therapy in people with mental disorders and addictions, in which case I would agree, she wouldn’t be qualified to write such a book, as it could actually harm people. I’m not interested in her course either, but I don’t see the need to judge her so harshly.
@Serioslump5 ай бұрын
I felt that this video wasn’t up to Kiana’s usual standard as I was watching it. Appreciate your work on this.
@exxology15 ай бұрын
There is a TON of research about ultra-processed foods! Sorry but you are super wrong about this. Kiana didn't get everything right but you are Way WAY off.
@Asjoden5 ай бұрын
💯
@marinoharker-smith73315 ай бұрын
Is she talking about how food u chew longer helps u eat less because gives chance for your body to register fullness? If so I think she is misusing the data .
@Qualia.5 ай бұрын
Yes, homemade and stor bought foods can be similar in macro nutrients but therr have been many studies showing how a lot of the chemicals they use to preserve snd emulsify, etc... are very damaging for our microbiome, damage the liver and a host of other effects on the body. Also, the pesticides they use are catastrophic to our systems.
@ReignRules101Ай бұрын
I am not vegan, and don’t agree with some of the things you talk about. But I’ve been watching your channel for years and absolutely love it. Love all the research you put into your videos 😄
@schibbolethsquad445 ай бұрын
I'm so happy you made a video about her! I was so confused by her stance...
@8jaime85 ай бұрын
Studies are emerging that show ultraprocessed food leads to weight gain. This is compared to eating the exact same number of calories of whole foods, which are also matched for macros and micros. Ultraprocessed food is also correlated with increased hunger, so a greater drive to overeat on top of that. Ultraprocessed food is also correlated with depression. It’s probably very complex, but gut flora likely has a lot to do with it. The wolf you feed, sort of thing.
@StraightEdgeJunkie5 ай бұрын
No, there is not a single study ever conducted where anyone has gained more fat from processed foods vs. someone eating the exact same net calories from whole foods. This has never happened in recorded human history.
@openeyes16054 ай бұрын
where is the study?
@Skablergen5 ай бұрын
The processed foods/whole foods dichotomy I think is a pretty useful heuristic for the most part, but yeah the absolute OBSESSION with believing that everything that undergoes processing and contains some preservative or emulsifier is inherently bad is missing the forest for the trees: if I chose to eat white bread (processed) until I was full or peanuts (whole food) until I was full every day without paying attention to calories, I guarantee I'd gain more weight and have worse health outcomes from the peanuts (but certainly a lot more fun)
@UnnaturalVegan5 ай бұрын
It's a very useful heuristic! Most processed foods aren't protein powder lol. The problem is, I think, adding this additional "ultra-processed" category. Like Kiana says, homemade apple pie is only a level 3 processed food, implying that it's somehow healthier than a level 4 McDonald's or Hostess pie.
@wintersprite5 ай бұрын
The white bread would raise your blood sugar more than the peanuts though.
@wintersprite5 ай бұрын
@@UnnaturalVeganA homemade apple pie can be made in different ways. You can make a crust with whole wheat flour or almond flour, etc., substitute honey, maple syrup, monk fruit sweetener, etc. for the high fructose corn syrup…so yes, homemade can be made healthier.
@leeseiberg24085 ай бұрын
@@wintersprite it can be, but most people don’t do that. In fact, they do quite the opposite. A lot of homemade deserts are full of sugar, butter or lard. Also why waste almond flour on pie crust when it’s only good in macarons tbh.
@wintersprite5 ай бұрын
@@leeseiberg2408 Almond flour is good in more than just macarons. Some people are low carb and others are gluten free so cannot use regular flour. And I don’t know about most people. Many do make pies in alternative ways. Many people also don’t make pies at all. Also, even regular sugar would be better than high fructose corn sugar.
@mpikeme5 ай бұрын
Thank you so much. I remember watching Kiana's video and seeing so many red flags and thinking I hope this doesn't go uncontested.
@reiverdaemon5 ай бұрын
Thank you! So many of her videos jump to conclusions or make wild leaps in logic and people just eat it up!
@SN-io4ze5 ай бұрын
Thanks for doing this. Kiana has a way of diluting facts with sensationalism. After my own digging, I find a lot of her “evidence based” videos are more anecdote and cherry-picked facts based. It appears a lot of her “research” has been conducted with severe confirmation bias. There’s a lot of insinuation of causality when there are a lot of confounders & even reverse causality at play.
@dabdoubeh5 ай бұрын
So it was basically a giant appeal to nature fallacy... surprising given her previous sponsors lol
@rugbyelite13615 ай бұрын
Its funny because i watched the video you are critiquing this week also, and it hqd a big impact on me. Until i thought about it, and realize that healthy bodybuilders eat tons of protein shakes and such. Very good analysis. Theres definitely some ultra processed which are healthier than others.
@imacarguy40655 ай бұрын
I thought I was the only one who noticed this. Part of this stuff is rooted in the fact that she used to struggle with her weight too. It's a Dave Ramsey situation. But yes, we consume a lot of "pre-digested" food, which isn't necessarily bad for us. Whey protein being one of them.
@whoah5675 ай бұрын
This is the most logical explanation of processed food I've seen in a long time. Glad, you looked at the supplemental material on that lemonade study, that makes the results make a lot more sense. Also, of note the fiber amounts you showed were for the daily meals not including snacks (21.3 ultra-processed and 20.7 unprocessed). The total fiber including daily meals and snacks end up being 18.7 in ultra-processed and 21.4 in the unprocessed diet. Also the difference in the proportion of insoluble fiber was huge 16% in the ultra-processed vs 77% in the unprocessed diet which I feel like explains the obvious visual difference in the foods and probably a lot of the weight loss benefit too. Also unclear since the participants were eating ad-libitum, how much of the fiber parts of the meal were they actually eating vs left uneaten? The study reports carbohydrate, protein and total energy intake but not fiber intake. I assume since there were differences in energy intake between the groups, there were probably differences in fiber intake too but that was not discussed.
@jenniferfoggs5 ай бұрын
Yeah I watched some of this video and saw right through it. It was just bizarre fear-mongering. Using the term “pre-digested” purposely sounds revolting (and is also misleading). I hope one day we will be able to look back at a period of the internet where people would dramatise reality for the sake of their own monetary gain.
@BaristaWithADog5 ай бұрын
And to add - anything fermented is considered (quite literally) predigested... We don't fear monger kimchi and yogurt 🤔
@melodyandbryanphillips83045 ай бұрын
@BaristaWithADog bc fermented is actually good for you, and heavily processed is bad for you.
@clauestudia5 ай бұрын
As someone who was on that vegan to almost antivaxxer pipeline now I understand that chemical phobia is a huge issue. I went back to school and now thinking of majoring in biochemistry. This stuff is hard and time consuming. It’s not easy for regular consumers to read up and catch up with their chemistry. I hope to make science more accessible. There’s also good beginner friendly books about how to read scientific articles that are even on my to-read list. We all need a middle school and high school chemistry lesson.
@BaristaWithADog5 ай бұрын
@clauestudia - I had a similar path, though mine started with being raised super religious, then getting a higher education in microbiology. I just want to congratulate you on getting an education and gaining the tools to better understand the world around you 🏆 Best of luck to you!
@e_i_e_i_bro5 ай бұрын
What about all the scientists who are highly concerned with processed foods, particularly the ones with additives and 200% daily value of sugar?
@leeseiberg24085 ай бұрын
@@e_i_e_i_bro too much sugar is bad, but other than that, usually it’s quackery and woo under the guise of science.
@11235Aodh5 ай бұрын
I recommend you take a look at dr. Peter Rogers, he's a master biochemist from Stanford and uses biochemistry a lot to explain certain processes, like what happens to our mitochondria when we eat fat etc. And why does meat cause cancer etc. He's 100% against any form of ultra processed foods.
@NoNameNumberTwo4 ай бұрын
What you said about homemade junk food vs. store bought reminds me of something Michael Pollan said: You can have junk food (I think the example he used was cheeseburgers and frenchie fries) as often as you want…as long as you make them from scratch at home.
@ladymurphyoficial5 ай бұрын
i'm sorry, but the fact that industrial food is bad can't be deleted here, carcinogens are so normalized
@fayem40915 ай бұрын
As a dietitian i like her content. She has a major in marketing and NOT in nutrition at all. BUT if people are to listen to influencers she is a BETTER choice that let's say freely. Her mind is in the right place even if i hate her promoting prohaska and diclemente model of change as she somehow has discovered America... She definitely has her problems but overall her "diet" content is a solid c+ to even a b- in my humble opinion. Especially at a time that people like abbey sharp THE PROFESSIONALS are whispering diagnoses of EDs left and right and promote foods for pockets... The true issue is that professionals and scientists are NOT good at marketing and storytelling in order to promote the right type of message the right way. So with a nice vid people can believe anything even if it's not evidence-based. So counterintuitively we need to be more convincing at promoting the truth ... (Yes i am vegan don't come at me)
@anne-marie21595 ай бұрын
What do you dislike about DiClemente and Prochaska's Stages of Change Model? Just watched another video on that this morning.
@fayem40915 ай бұрын
@@anne-marie2159 I think it's not that deep honestly. There are better ways that fit better on diet. For instance the phycological idea that there are many levels of influence that are positive or negative (eg family friends, job, office, coworkers, environment for instance if there is a park nearby etc etc) that will help the person to be more able to achieve their goals by deal with the external and internal processes. Ps I am greek so i am sorry if i cannot translate everything from the top of my mind.
@Sakuralightovo5 ай бұрын
I feel like her video would make more sense (not this vegan girly) if she correlated accessibility and how easy it is to replace home made meals with UPF rather than that.
@POVgames2 ай бұрын
I don’t understand the obsession with the calories or macros. I simply don’t want chemicals in my food that are only there to make it look good or be more addictive. What’s wrong with just wanting real food?
@PercivalBlakeney5 ай бұрын
A baked potato with… 🎵 bacon and butter and cheese … oh my!🎶 (I'll get my coat.) 😁
@cheese71195 ай бұрын
You cannot sit here and tell me that unltra processed foods are the same as we cooking it at home. You cannot tell me that when at McDonald's they put powder milk on fries, sugar in the buns, sugar in the salads... you CANNOT tell me that if I make a pie at home I'll be just as unhealthy as a sugary bite from McDonald's. When you make things at home you don't use as much sugar, your fruit will be cut bigger, your oil will be in a pan, not deep fried etc... You underestimate home made foods. Just because there's like a pound of sugar in a 2L of cola or other commercial juice, that doesn't mean a home made glass of orange or apple juice will contain the same amount.
@TasteOfButterflies5 ай бұрын
So you agree with her that foods should be judged on their actual nutritional value.
@e_i_e_i_bro5 ай бұрын
Exactly. I don't buy ingredients or products with harmful additives, especially the ones that disrupt hormones. Fast / processed food is full of it. I have full control of the sugar that goes into cooking. It's not just about calories / weight gain.
@leeseiberg24085 ай бұрын
Nah, homemade foods can be just as bad for you, especially if you overeat. And what do you mean “not deep fried”? A lot of people do that at home.
@TasteOfButterflies5 ай бұрын
@@leeseiberg2408 plus, plenty of people make pies at home with an abundance of butter/lard and sugar. Restaurant desserts - even more so. At least store bought junk food has to disclose its bullshit on the label.
@cheese71195 ай бұрын
@@leeseiberg2408 I'm sorry but in my country deep frying at home is not as common as it may be in the Us. And that's why I take even more issue with her argument because there's different cultures all around the world with different foods more or less healthy and just saying that food made at home is as bad as McDonald's, basically means "instead of cooking, go to McDonald's" in my book. Which is ludicrous. In my country people make lots of soups and stews and we don't use much butter in our baking and I'm just upset that she looks at those tasteless frozen pizzas and burgers and dares to compare it to a home made burger made with a home made bun. It's infuriating.
@magnessskippton25095 ай бұрын
I happened to listen to this video and notice how both unnatural vegan and Kiana sounded very similar to each other. It was only the intonation, inflection and tone changes in unnatural vegan during her oration style that made her sound different. I assume they were brought up in the same part of the world (I would pick somewhere in Canada)
@egreentree5 ай бұрын
As a Canadian I personally don’t think unnatural vegan sounds Canadian at all. She has also said she’s from the Midwest
@fuzzycatbutts5 ай бұрын
I don't think they sound similar at all...?
@debescreve19564 ай бұрын
I watched both videos and there is a lot that people already comented here, so I’ll adress what stuck out to me the most. I think you are reducing the point of Kiana’s vídeo way too much. She made quite clear what processed food is. And Theo made it clear what ultra processed food is. In my opinion, you mainly focused on “predigested “ and forgot most of Kiana’s argument. The “predigested “ was just a way to grab attention. To me, her main point was about the quality of the food, the things mixed in it (like emulsifiers and lots of chemicals) that are bad for our health. Another point she made in her video was about the industry selling ultraprocessed food that is perceived as Healthy, which is so wrong. Last but not least, you have some valid points but, to me, you sounded really arrogant delivering them, which might turn people off from your explanation, even if it is valid.
@kylas1902Күн бұрын
How are people still mixing up Processed food and Ultra Processed food. She clearly says Ultra processed is broken down to the molecular level. This is waht your body does to extract the nutrients. She also said its processes you cannot normally do at home. I can cook, chop, bake, grind, pickle, and preserve foods at home. All of those are processong the food. NONE of that is Ultra Processed.
@caityhamilton7975 ай бұрын
I think this video is interesting. But I’m hearing the same problem in both videos. From what I’ve seen of ultra processing this video is unrepresenting and overly simplifying the limited science we actually know. And it is limited. Macro assessment is entirely the wrong bit of nutritional data to be looking at in UPFs, that is very clear. Some UPFs can be awesome and natural foods can be awful using macros. That’s one of the big arguments against the traffic light system. But we can’t label UPFs because what a UPF actually is is not yet determined!
@LastArielMari5 ай бұрын
Thanks for talking about what a person can consider when choosing foods at the grocery store. I haven't really thought about it from this point of view - the contents of fiber, water and the volume it gives to a meal. This is a really good equation for making healthier choices!
@Nick_Lyston5 ай бұрын
Wow, that study was like giving someone a can of can of coke and 4 gallons of celery water and remarking that they always drank all the coke but never finished all the celery water.
@chelseashurmantine81535 ай бұрын
Lmao sweetened soy milk and gushers: same category
@Andre-qo5ek5 ай бұрын
what is the mechanism of action for the badness of "processed foods" ?
@expensivepink74 ай бұрын
ugh ur content has been so good for years we appreciate you
@QuantumOverlord5 ай бұрын
Surely 'predigested' means a total breakdown of the food matrix which we know really matters. Its not just about removing the water; its about no longer eating animal or plant cells but just pure protein, fat or starch. This is not just a calorie thing; milk has a complicated liquid food matrix while butter does not which is probably (per gram of saturated fat) butter raises LDL far more than milk (again even accounting for the fact that butter has more saturated fat). The same is true, or more true for starchy food where we know that sugar from freeze dried fruit (again with the water removed) doesn't behave the same way as sugar from .. sugar even though its the same molecule. Its far more than calorie density, though that obviously does play an important role. UPFs lack a food matrix which even means on a per calorie basis they are more terrible for you than whole food counterparts. And no, you can't make UPFs at home like this. Yes you can damage the food matrix by cooking or blending, but nowhere near to the same extent as industrial methods which literally isolate individual molecules; homemade chips from potatoes are going to still contain plant cells albeit in a modified form; cheap UPF chips might contain no cells at all. In almost all cases, homemade food is going to be better for you than UPFs and that's even before you consider the effect of non household emulsifiers, preservatives and so on that you aren't going to have to hand.
@cwgu46935 ай бұрын
I was initially obsessed with her content, but over time there started being little red flags. Stuff I couldn't quite put my finger on but was flashing warning signs in my head.
@kiaer.s5 ай бұрын
Love the critical thinking skills displayed here
@Metroid2504 ай бұрын
I can hold a pretzel with Dr. Pepper and be criticized. I can also hold an Omega 3 nut mix bag and a Diet Pepsi/water and I'd ALSO be criticized. Atp what anyone says is pure poop to me. Eat what you like and leave me alone (to the influenzas on the internet)
@ElloLoJo5 ай бұрын
Yeah I've really enjoyed a lot of her videos but a few have given me pause and this one really made me question whether I valued her input 😅😬
@thedarkness1115 ай бұрын
It's the new favourite thing for trolls to say on vegan posts as well, and I'm just like I genuinely don't care, no in fact I'd rather have food made in a factory, it's much cleaner, easier to be sure of the nutrients, easier to get a reliable taste and texture etc. Meanwhile I'm sure most of the commenters are still eating 'ULTRA_PROCESSED' non-vegan stuff.
@ETphonehome-xn5os5 ай бұрын
Hi, new here! What are your qualifications regarding diet/nutrition? Thanks!
@yaycookiz5 ай бұрын
Omg the crossover I needed! Big fan of you both ❤ hope you can have a kind and thoughtful discussion :)
@erinmeadows145 ай бұрын
I agree 100% with the poopy diaper song at the end. Thank you.
@shodack51245 ай бұрын
It took me the full time the bananas were on the screen to realize they were not HANGING in the orchid plant... 🙄 😳
@coffeecup10225 ай бұрын
She had me convinced processed foods are bad and I felt freaked out. I already eat pretty balanced and felt overwhelmed learning about the “ dangerous “ ultra processed category. Thank you for giving me some relief
@jaska-jalmarixvi57575 ай бұрын
Food is more than just a sum of its ingredients. "You have to prove that", well I don't think even the experts can really pinpoint where exactly lies the harm between normal processed foods and ultra-processed foods. But they do generally agree it's not just processed foods, it's ultra processed foods that are bad.
@Chellyoxo4 ай бұрын
I know why this comment section is so mixed. It's because theres people coming from 2 different contexts. Kiana's viewers context is one of feeling as if people around them are "glamourizing" and overconsuming ultraprocessed foods While Unnatural's is one of demonizing ultra processed food and fat in general Thats why the "nitpicking" in the video cause, in our context, the demonizing of foods is the main problem that can lead to more diseases and problems than just avoiding ultraprocessed food
@SauraElanthier5 ай бұрын
First, I watch you both and love the content that you both produce. I think the point of the issue with Ultra-processed food, as explain by @KianaDocherty , is that it is easier and faster to digest regardless of the nutritional content. This translates to me that even if the McDonald's apple pie has the same about of fiber, fat, and protein as a slice of homemade apple pie, you will get hungry again sooner with the McDonald's product because your body has digested it faster. That was my takeaway anyway. I will add that the video did not fully put me off to ultra-processed foods. I am not going to find whey protein isolate as any form of non-processed food. I am still going to bring some processed snack foods into my house. And I will continue to do the occasional fast food run for my family. I think it all comes to moderation: don't eat primarily ultra-processed foods in your diet. I will acknowledge that this is a privileged stance to have compared to families that lack the funds or means to keep fresh, unprocessed foods in their homes.