The Dobbs Decision Panel

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Georgetown Law

Georgetown Law

2 жыл бұрын

On June 29, Georgetown Law's Supreme Court Institute hosted a panel discussion about the Supreme Court’s recent decision in Dobbs v. Jackson Women’s Health Organization.
Introduction:
William M. Treanor
Dean and Executive Vice President,
Paul Regis Dean Leadership Chair,
Georgetown Law
Moderator:
Irv Gornstein
Professor and Executive Director,
Supreme Court Institute, Georgetown Law
Panel:
John J. Bursch
Senior Counsel, Vice President of Appellate Advocacy,
Alliance Defending Freedom
David D. Cole
National Legal Director,
American Civil Liberties Union
Michele Bratcher Goodwin
Chancellor’s Professor of Law,
University of California, Irvine School of Law
Erin Murphy, L’06
Appellate Attorney and Adjunct Professor of Law,
Georgetown Law

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@darbymckilkannoncaid3279
@darbymckilkannoncaid3279 Жыл бұрын
Michele Goodwin is awesome, she's got such a deep understanding of the history of US law
@RC-qf3mp
@RC-qf3mp 7 ай бұрын
If you agree with her policy proposals, fine. But a judge’s job isn’t to legislate or dictate policy. Goodwin was cheerleading for your team. That’s not legal scholarship or the job of a judge though.
@kencoport
@kencoport Жыл бұрын
Its nice to see two way debate on the issue
@whitneyw.7919
@whitneyw.7919 5 ай бұрын
It was amazing when David followed up with the lady that said, oh don’t worry you still have equal rights even if you can’t abort your fetus, and David says yeah, I mean you still have equal rights but you’ll be hauled in jail. If you don’t have a baby who will die or who will financially bankrupt you or who could kill you but don’t worry ladies you still have equal rights. This is what your male politicians say. I rarely see such a brilliant exchange Also, Michelle is incredibly intelligent and just amazing on this topic
@ThePeperich
@ThePeperich 2 жыл бұрын
Thank you for the panel. I know it is hard, but you have to zoom out to see “which forest” instead of debate about “which tree” and deeply discuss “what kind of tree” and “how to describe leaves”. I hope you see what I mean. In your discussion was a huge problem from the start. IMHO you thought about the matter itself, the change of a 49y old ruling, impact, problems, etc. and did not see it (so hard it is) as a legal issue: don’t we start every legal constitutional problem with the question, which constitutional body - which branch - has competence to regulate the matter? Executive, legislative or judicial branch? As we all live and love representative democracy -> the legislative branch. So the people represented by the lawmakers are the decider. SCOTUS added, not the federal (Congress), but the state lawmaker. There are more question: What is with topics which are federally regulated but have huge impact on this matter. Drugs/Meds, financial aid, health care, regulations regarding hospitals, are private organisations allowed that offer service, do woman have to get information before decision? Some part of federal penal code? What is with abortions on federal ground or native american one? May be I am too much in continental law, but this is democracy basic law IMHO. So hard it is, don’t especially law experts see this as all a topic for lawmakers? Sad that lawmakers did not already regulate all and the many more aspects, sad both for woman and whole society. Btw that it is much more risky for women to be pregnant in the USA is no problem of abortion law (as the numbers were bad under Roe, too) it is a problem of the bad US healthcare system for a huge part of the society. But that would be an other topic. Cheers, Pepe and keep up the great work!
@darbymckilkannoncaid3279
@darbymckilkannoncaid3279 Жыл бұрын
what a bunch of gobbledygook
@wolfpowers2867
@wolfpowers2867 Ай бұрын
I do not accept the man in the bowtie's scientism. Historically and for centuries, maybe thousands of years, life begins when the first breath is drawn. This has been used in the 20th century, as recently as the 1990s. What has changed? I know a woman who went to prison on the doubt that her child may have drawn a breath rather than been stillborn back in the 1990s. The idea that the spirit is in the breath exists in the language, not the English one, but in other languages.
@whitneyw.7919
@whitneyw.7919 5 ай бұрын
It’s amazing to me that these pro-life men genuinely think that if fetus at eight weeks is the same as a two year-old child. It’s like they live on a different planet and I think it’s because they’ve never actually stepped back to think, “ wow imagine if I personally was pregnant and was feeling nauseous 28 hours a day I was poor and couldn’t work due to the pain and nausea, my landlord called me and told me that me and my toddler child were going to be evicted, and I really don’t want to go through with this pregnancy because I’m in such anguish” Then, literally being arrested by the authorities, and put on trial for murder with the punishment being decades in prison, since it’s “murder”, the same as murdering a two-year-old, so now her toddler will be without a mother or family in the foster care system because this woman didn’t want to let a pregnancy destroy her life. These people are generally just religious zealots..
@whitneyw.7919
@whitneyw.7919 5 ай бұрын
Also, the sexism of it all, if you’re a woman, you not ultimately sacrificing yourself is considered murder. If you’re a man just continue with the wars, terrorist attacks, killing billions of sentient animals yearly, and mass shootings. subconsciously at the bottom of this. I think it’s because these people want to enforce gender roles and find it really uncomfortable to allow women to not sacrifice themselves for the good of fetuses and offspring. They don’t like the idea of women killing or even wanting to…even to save her own life, even though men do it all the time
@WhiskeyTangoFoxtraught
@WhiskeyTangoFoxtraught 2 жыл бұрын
I feel that the topic of Abortion, every judiciary ruling by any court, will be considered wrong by a large population. Given it’s controversy, I feel it’s more fit for legislation returning the power back to the people. The court having such power is worrisome. Roe, reads like court dictatorship. If WE THE PEOPLE want a right, WE vote for that right, we have a process, we can make amendments if WE THE PEOPLE choose.
@elisalong6815
@elisalong6815 Жыл бұрын
"If men had to bear this burden, the right to abortion would have been written into law centuries ago." 48:50 This statement is FACT! And it was even said by a man here
@RC-qf3mp
@RC-qf3mp 7 ай бұрын
Yeah, well don’t liberals, esp at woke colleges, think that men CAN get pregnant? So it’s not a woman’s rights issue, as RBG thought. Do you think men can’t get pregnant? If so, better not say that at a university.
@gopher7691
@gopher7691 7 ай бұрын
Men bear the burden of supporting their children for 18 years and men still don’t have a right to kill their children. Unlike your stupid opinion this statement is FACT. And it was even said by Gopher here
@vincesmith2499
@vincesmith2499 2 ай бұрын
How do you know, though?
@wolfpowers2867
@wolfpowers2867 Ай бұрын
The manin the bowtie says things that are impossible to know, then calls it "science." This science is not reality. It is his religion, subject to change whenever it suits him, no different from Abrahamism.
@njosborne6152
@njosborne6152 2 жыл бұрын
A case for Women and Children (bad poetry div.) A Woman’s body belongs to herself alone. A child’s body belongs to they, themselves. A woman’s body does not belong to the church. A woman’s body does not belong to the state. A woman’s body does not belong to a court. A woman’s body does not belong to a politician. A woman’s body does not belong to a relative. A woman’s body does not belong to a rapist. A woman’s body does not belong to a doctor. And never ever should A woman’s body belong to a bureaucrat with a big fat Red pen. A woman’s body belongs to, she alone and the loving arms of their own American Family . A child’s body does not deserve to be victimized by the church. A child’s body does not deserve to be victimized by a terrorist with a gun. A child’s body does not deserve to be victimized by the state. A child’s body does not deserve to be victimized by a court. A child’s body does not deserve to be victimized by a relative. A child’s body does not deserve to be victimized by a politician. A child’s body belongs in the loving arms of their Families. A child’s body and a woman’s body, these must never be victimized And that concludes today’s lecture, thank you‼️🧬😎🇺🇸
@possum7557
@possum7557 2 жыл бұрын
who died & left you boss...
@gopher7691
@gopher7691 Жыл бұрын
The guy in the bow tie is awesome. He crushes the arguments of that pro choice dork
@t.l.1610
@t.l.1610 Жыл бұрын
Which “pro-choice dork” are you talking about? I certainly didn’t hear any “demolishing” that’s for sure. 😂
@gopher7691
@gopher7691 Жыл бұрын
@@t.l.1610 maybe you should watch it again. The bow tie made a brilliant case for the Dobbs decision. The other guy didn’t
@t.l.1610
@t.l.1610 Жыл бұрын
@@gopher7691 I’ll rewatch Mr. Bowtie
@t.l.1610
@t.l.1610 Жыл бұрын
@@gopher7691 Ok so Bowtie Guy’s primary argument: Amendment VS. Ruling. I agree. Any right that people believe is ironclad should be codified. That said, the rest of his arguments are debatable. For example: Life begins at conception. NOT a scientific concept. Not how many doctors define it. (Listen to some Med school talks in Dobbs if you don’t believe me). That’s like saying “I dropped this orange seed. Ergo, it’s now an orange tree.” No, there’s a series of other processes & conditions that must happen for that tree to form. Chicken/bird eggs are another more apropos example. This brings up a host of other issues as well. Even if you believe life begins at conception, no one human can claim rights to another in order to live. I can’t demand you give me your kidney for example. Etc etc. Which is why Roe/Casey decided viability as the marker. These are all debatable subjects.
@gopher7691
@gopher7691 Жыл бұрын
@@t.l.1610 the science of embryology says a human being’s life begins at conception. When do you think it begins?
@mgabriel2636
@mgabriel2636 Жыл бұрын
I am thankfull that Michelle did not discuss the dignity of black women while wearing those glasses.
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