I use 2 gates. It's easier to control the preamp and guitar noise that way - I use a cheap mooer gate for preamp noise and an ISP Decimator for guitar noise. I used to run the Boss NS2 in the 4 cable method but it was very limited in it's useage.

So... what else is new? I thought this was something else. I've been using the double gate technique with my NS-2 for almost 20 years. Although I just "lost" 10 mins watching the video I'm still going to tell Glenn that I saw you touching his knob. ; )

I’m playing with a HD Precision in front of the amp and my Katana has a built in behind the preamp.

It sounds good But I drown in cables

It's not double gating, it's sidechaining. There's only 1 gate.

Currently been saving up for my loop gate

How do i use my noise gate for the amp gain?

@@cocotico9997 effects loop..

Same...for years. An ISP Decimator II (into an EVH 5150III 100 watt Stealth) with an MXR 10 band EQ (black) and another Decimator II in the loop, linked together with the first one).

Thanks dude, I appreciate that!

NSG makes a gate just for bassists.

And why the fuck didn’t you tell anyone? You thought you can get away with this secret for the rest of your life? You do the hell do you think you are?

Yeah. As long as the gate has a built-in loop, you can make it function as a dual gate.. This thing is definitely NOT a dual gate.

Awesome dude! Glad I could be of help.

@@treyxaviermusicTrey could you tell me what the root notes are in the first mini shapes of the major modes?

Thanks fam

Same. I've tried both. They both get the job done, but I like turning the "front" gate on and off when needed, and there's more control.

Why would you use 2 ns-2s when you can use the send and return jacks of a single ns-2 in the same way that the cock blocker works in this video?

@@McGuinty2 The Cock Blocker doesn't work like that. It works just like a Decimator G-string. It's not gating both ends. Trey knows that.. Idk why he went with that title. There's reasons to use 2 NS-2 pedals (although the NS-50 would've been better).. He could've been using pedals in front of the amp, and needed them in the loop of the NS-2, or he could've just wanted them set at different Thresholds, or to have the ability to turn one off while leaving the other on.. or he just didn't know about the "X pattern", aka the original "4CM".

Four years later... Lol. Now there's about to be a new Lichtlaerm gate!

I tried doing the same with the Sentry but I was getting ground loops between the fx loop and guitar-amp line... So the gate added more noise than it removed... Did you have this issue? Are you using some sort of iso transformer in your chain?

Yeah but that's just a gate thing, that's not specific to any particular gate. Someday someone will invent a magical gate that will let you do both hahaha

Gear Gods maybe a noise suppressor with a built in volume pedal that dynamically adjusts and reduces the gate as you reduce the volume 🤷🏻‍♂️ Does the job of being a volume pedal and a gate all in one unit the same size as a normal volume pedal. I would buy that.

@@adamalexanderray yeah I actually have entertained that idea but I'm not sure how many it would sell, probably a small number of people who play high gain that dynamically, probably not worth the R&D

I did that with expression pedal assigns on my boss got 100. Worked well.

@@adamalexanderrayProbably wouldn’t be that hard to do, you’d have to have a pedal attached to a double ganged pot like the gain control on the Klon Centaur and wire it so one side is the volume control for the guitar out/send jack and the other side of the pot controls the gate

How? It's just a gate..

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Always put your gates before all other fxs as you only want to affect the wanted signal and not the noise

After dirt pedals before modulation and time effects

Isn't using the send and return functionality of your ns-2 achieving the same thing?

Yikes. I bet you were disappointed when you realized the Cock Blocker isn't a Double Gate..

@@simon_patterson No. You can actually gate both ends with the NS-2, whereas the Cock Blocker only gates one end (the Guitar In and Out only helps the gate open and close faster.. It doesn't actually "gate" anything itself).

That's what the G-string version was made for.

Just keep in mind that it's not really a "double gate".. just a triggered gate. If that's what you want, try the ISP Decimator G-string (or "Hum Extractor/Decimator G"), Highwind Phalanx, or Lichtlaerm Key and Gate. If you really need a "Double Gate", either get a real 4CM gate, like the Boss NS-2 or NS-1X, TC Sentry, Revv G8 (or Joyo "Legal Done"), etc.. Basically, anything with a "Send and Return", then you can wire both inputs and outputs from the guitar into the frontof the amp, and in the loop. But, if you need 2 separate gates in one pedal/box, the GUPtech SUN2 is the best, especially for the price (unless you want to go with rackmount gates, like DBX). Godspeed!

Get a Parametric EQ.

@@fishdicks4621 Then you're killing part of your sound. Must be done to a degree, but don't want to end up with no treble. (Like killing 8 db of 6.0k hiss etc)

@@19MadMike95 That's why they said parametric. You can narrow the Q band to the point that almost no audible difference is heard in the neighboring frequencies. It's like using one of those 31 band graphic EQs. Those are almost exclusively used to remove the single bands of feedback unique to each venue. Every place will have different frequencies that feed back into the mic and equipment base on their dimensions and angles, but because a 31 band uses smaller increments than a typical 7 or 10 band EQ, you can find and isolate the frequencies that feed back and remove them without greatly affecting the neighboring bands. A parametric EQ let's you sweep the frequency spectrum in-between where a smaller graphic EQ can be controlled, and a narrow Q band will allow you to single out what frequency or frequencies are being produced by your gear. This way, even if you play soft palm mutes with incredible amounts of gain, the hum of the pedal or preamp is removed while still maintaining the playing dynamics and tone. We use techniques like this in studio to get "clean" tracks, as a constant hum behind the notes will be more noticeable with a regular gate cutting it off between notes. Live, you're probably best off with a rack mount 31-band or parametric EQ in the effects loop. It can be pricey, but when you hear - or don't hear - what a noise-free rig is like, it's hard to go back. As for how well an EQ works? Remember those "Hey Alexa" commercials? They removed a select frequency band in the commercials so that they wouldn't activate your device if you already had one. The voice still sounds fine to our ears, but there's a hole in the spectrum that the device is made to recognize as being on a commercial and not a real command. Fortunately, we're not as finely tuned as a robot, so we're often none the wiser.

@@CosmicWaltz7 My whole point, was that the noise still exists as the original poster said. My implication was that you should fight to remove the noise, instead of pretending its not there when your not playing. I'm very aware of how graphic and parametric EQs work.

The ISP Decimator stuff is really good at keeping that to a minimum.. As far as specific frequencies, the DBX "AFS-2" is probably the best pro level gate.. constantly adjusting problematic frequencies, even while playing.

ISP or GUPtech is the way to go when it comes to gates.

This one doesn't do both, though. Just use an ISP G-string (or 2 Decimator II's).

Since the 5150 OD has a Gate, you could run the Decimator before the 5150, or just turn the 5150's gate off and run the Decimator right after that. If that's your only source of distortion, then there's no reason to use it in the amp's loop.

I used that amp for a little over a year (before getting a real JSX, then a XXXII). The Noise Clamp is meant for using with noisy distortion pedals.. Run an MXR Smart Gate in front, then crank up the amp's "gate" to 10 (and turn up the Presence to make up for any high end "tone loss"). Problem solved!

Nah.. It's not really a "Double Gate", so it's pretty misleading.

Only if it has separate Thresholds... or if the Gate has a "Send and Return" (aka A "4CM" Gate). Gates like the Cock Blocker don't "gate" both ends. Idk why he advertised it like that.

Ur guitar hum from the guitar pickups

Ben Robson thats marketing. Single coils are single coils. Always will be noisey

@@Ottophil i was under the impression that Fender's Noiseless pickups were just stacked humbuckers voiced to sound like single coils.

They go in the loop AFTER the gate.

The X pattern actually gates both ends. This pedal doesn't. It's just a triggered gate, like a Zuul or ISP G-string.. There are dual gates out there (which have separate Thresholds, and can be used for both ends of one amp, or one end of two separate amps), like the GUPtech "Dual Sun" Gate, LWA "Tannhauser", Airis Effects "Hades Ultra Gate", Source Audio "EQ2", etc.

Exactly how I run my decimator on my mesa and iron heart. Same here on the dead silence.

Kempers have a built-in gate (so did that ENGL). If you still need a gate in front, just use a Decimator or Smart Gate before the Kemper.

The Engl is fucking great but the Generator 120 is the greatest amp of all time. Plus they're just different flavors of awesome, so it's cool having them both around. So, hell no, keeping that 120 til I die.

@@treyxaviermusic My thoughts exactly.The Revv 120 is a beast...!! & I just got my Revv Gen 120 a few weeks ago after a 5 month wait to build it...I almost got the Savage MKII 120..But the Revv is way more Versatile...Going to swap the 6L6's to KT88s in my Revv's power section for greater bone crushing tones...Thanks Trey...!!!

You are most welcome

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What about the gate on the daw you use?

Simple. The Sentry is better.

@@hellstone-project I fucking know, right? I love Glenn but people act like the cockblocker is something revolutionary but the Sentry does at least as good of a job, has more features for less than half the price and has been around some time... Never leaves my rig for sure !