Season 1 & 2 was probably one of the best superhero show runs I ever witnessed

The show started to die with my man Wally.

The show always had a fatal problem of 90% of episodes ending with the villains saying "all according to plan!" Made our heroes seem mad incompetent.

I loved the fact Young Justice essentially turned the sidekicks into a spec ops team. I didn't mind the timeskip but as they kept adding characters the less interested I became.

Season 3 was the worst smh it became wayy too preachy and spent too much time on beast boys depression arc 🙄🤦🏿

I lost interest when the main characters from S1 and S2 were barely in the show.

I believe folks can agree it got worse as they deviated away from the core characters we grew up with as well as making the plots long AF. It's also annoying for good shows to get cancelled due to toy sales.

I feel like Justice league unlimited did a perfect job remaining focused while also feeling like a large universe with lots of different players. The main 7 were the heavy hitters who were the most involved with the main plots while there were also plenty of more episodic episodes about the other leaguers(questions, Huntress, green arrow, vigilante, supergirl, etc) that allowed us to really get to know them so when they played a minor role in the major plot episodes it felt earned

In my opinion, I think the reason why this show started to go downhill was because it stopped being a show about the actual team itself and rather trying to expand this universe with a lot of characters that lore that were thrown at us. And while season 3&4 show case this, I also think that season 2 is at fault for it as well because some of the arcs that were of the original team were kinda glossed over for other new characters and not to mention the time skips the show was known for.

The weirdest thing about season 4 was how weird the choices were. They KNEW a season 5 was not guaranteed. They knew that they needed to settle the story line all the way from Season 1 between Darkseid and the Light. So instead they give us 4 story arcs that do NONE OF THAT. So now that this show is probably never coming back... It all just sort of feels very unfinished.

I really hate the word "woke" and roll my eyes every time it's used. BUT season 3 did feel like it tried so hard to pander and preach to people. The whole social media thing with beast boy felt so weird. It felt like it was written by people who dont use social media. I haven't seen season 4, but season 3 felt so weird.

Shoutout to Troy Baker, Grey Delisle, and Khary Payton for voicing about 95 percent of the cast for Season 3 of Young Justice. Every background character or special guest hero that appeared were always one of those three. I remember being called mad when Season 3 was announced, and I said "Greg and the writers have to work towards wrapping up their franchise with this season and the next." Because, who knows. If they write like they have unlimited seasons, could you imagine if they ended it on a cliffhanger again? Oh wait, that's exactly what happened.

The thing that killed Young Justice for me was the damn time skips so much development happened off screen so many characters introduced off screen like sometimes timeskips are necessary but the time skips in this we're kind of unneeded especially after the first time skip. There's so many characters and teams to keep track of and most of them are there as a glorified cameo at most to stand around and look cool.

Night wing should’ve had his own arc with the bat family and league of shadows involved. That’s my biggest gripe. Then they could’ve tied in the last episodes with everyone involved

Honestly, the entire superhuman-trafficking plot could have been its of tv-show all on its own too. Like imagine a series about a bunch of kids with superpowers fighting the people trying to capture them. That would be awesome but because its slapped dabbed into this series it just feels like a massive departure from the story.

The show started to fall off when they started to reference real events instead of creating their own stories

This show’s fatal flaw was that it wanted to be another Justice League Unlimited and completely forgot what then hell the title of the show was (also just forgetting to develop most of its main cast once outsiders came around). It didn’t help either that season 3 was a sharp downgrade in the animation department, even though season 4 eventually picked it back up somewhat.

Best way to describe later seasons of YJ is this. You reading tie-ins to crossover events from different books without ever touching main crossover book ever.

They did Static so dirty. They even made him maiden less as a joke. S3 and S4 lost focus and had massive budget cuts, clip show at some point.

The show just never recovered from losing Wally.

I agree with on Forager, he was so annoying, and many points 🤣 Also when Outsiders was getting released there was promo art of the chracters from S2, and Katana and Metamorpho, making it seem that they would have big roles in the season, but nope, basically glorified extras, especially Katana and Metamorpho who had like 2 lines each and appeaered in like 2 episodes.

So many missed opportunities to build upon minor arcs that they never did anything with

Here’s my list of what caused Young Justice to go downhill. 1. Unnecessary timeskips 2. Important plot moments that require the viewer to look at other forms of media. 3. The show trying way too hard to appeal to millennials. 4. A downgrade in animation 5. Still frames being used for a lot of important moments 6. Fan favorite characters like Wonder Girl, Arrowette, Orphan, Spoiler, the 3rd Robin, Bat Girl, the 2nd Robin, Static Shock and a few others being nothing more than background characters. 7. A jumbled mess of stories for both seasons 3 and 4. 8. Trying way too hard to be adult, with a lot of blood and gore, swearing and sex scenes. 9. The main characters from seasons 1 and 2 doing nothing but angst a lot. 10. A cluster f**k of characters that barely get any focus. 11. Most story arcs get pushed away and other arcs drag on. 12. Missing villains like Queen Bee, Ra’s Al Ghul and a few others. 13. WTF moments in season 4.

On the bright side, at least Connor and M’Gann got married.

I stopped watching Young Justice around Season 3. Unlike other revivals, it felt like Greg Weisman and the rest of the crew behind the show just tried to make the show less of a DC show, and more of a standard action drama show. Part of what I like about the first two seasons were that they were modern takes on Classic DC stories. It was fresh & new. The fact Wally West died instead of Barry Allen was mind blowing, and the surprise that the Aqualad in the show was actually Black Manta’s son did gave me goosebumps. Unfortunately, as the show was revived… it pretty much lost its footing. Hell, because Season 3 barley did anything with the established DC characters, it made me forget that I’m watching a DC show.

This is the Xmen 97 revival we wished we had but didn't get

The show is dragging out the light and darkseid plot line. Nothing is being done to take down either of them. I get they are the main villains but in a story things have to progress. And nothing has been done to shake the light at all. Rash Al Ghoul is gone? Doesn’t matter he gets replaced by deathstroke. Klarion get beaten by child? Who cares he gets his powers back anyway Lex is exposed? lol he’s fine and dandy in season 4. Hell he’s barley even in season 4 Queen bee hasn’t done shit since season 1 and shouldn’t Garfield want to go after her for what she did to his mom!? What was the point of bringing back ocean master just to kill him off again? Why was the kryptonian plot line center focus on season 4? They were basically filler villains and added nothing to the main plot with the light or darkseid. It’s like this show is dragging its feat or the writers don’t know how to move it forward.

The show was so good I started to like a character named "Aqualad." AQUALAD

Season 3 and Season 4 always felt like they were building up to something and instead of any pay off, they would just build up even more plot threads.

Honestly after season 4, I lost hope. That season was so fucking boring and the pacing was all over the place. Season 3 was ok at best but it had a decent story just hated how it ended but Season 4 had so much shit and too many characters to focus on yet they wanted to focus on core characters. I wish they can do better.

I never liked how young justice did superman character or personality

I get the feeling they squeezed so many concepts together because they know Warner Bros will screw them over in the end before they get to explore more of it even when they did give them a second chance.

I only like the first season to be honest. I'm sure there are little moments I like in the following seasons...but first season was the best and downfall from there.

It also didn't help that season 3 and 4 went straight to the streaming service after the cancelation of young Justice season 2. ... The moment they started adapting New 52 into Earth 16 that was when I checked out. I am not ashamed to say that while it had some promising ideas and executions in certain areas of storytelling, New 52 signaled the downfall of quality of comic books

The biggest sin of the new seasons is that they are just straight boring. Just a bunch of character that are never explored (most of the outsiders), others given character arcs that are completely throw out later (pretty much all of the season 3 team), and writing (ESPECIALLY the dialogue) that lacks the quality and subtly of the cn seasons. The best part of the first seasons were how they could tell separate stories but build up to a big overarching plot and a satisfying payoff. The new seasons do not have any of that. I’m honestly glad it’s probably over it wasn’t egregiously bad just egregiously mediocre

One of my favorite dc show until season 3 and 4

This show is what Made Me SUCH A HUGE FANBOY OF RED TORNADO, I love that they made him such a Keymember of the original Team, his development through S1 to Invasion was PEAK & Then in s3-4 he appears only 2 times & only speaks 1 single dialogue, WHAT A WASTE 😡

the first half of season 3 was still pretty good but the second half of season 3 was very disappointing and then season 4 was absolutely terrible and had overly dramatic and corny CW style writing and choppy stiff animation. I think the main problem with season 3 especially is that they stopped caring about trying to balance out the characters, season 2 had a large cast but they still did a good job at balancing all the characters and their arcs. Also the light's motivations kinda feels like a form of mystery bait and it starts feeling very tedious when the writers keep teasing with you the idea that the light are finally ready to make their big moves/execute ultimate secret master plan but only some of their actions/plans actually feel like they go anywhere significant (like darkseid has been teased since season 2, but still has barely done anything himself) and it also feels very contrived when you keep finding out that they constantly have a contingency plan for everything and the light barely did anything important or impactful in season 4. Also in season 4, the legion of superheroes felt completely wasted and it felt like they only show 3 members from the legion team because they knew they didn't have the budget to show all and the whole storyline with superboy being stuck in the phantom zone felt like very long and drawn out fan fiction.

Dawg the plots were DRAGGED, there was MAD characters, there was ALWAYS so many subplots, it was hard to focus on just one thing. Good video Gang

The Peter David comic was way better in my opinion though

Too many new characters too quickly. Not out here trying to learn about Rocket's autistic son (as harsh as that may seem).

YJ is a perfect example of trying to be too clever but not knowing wth to be clever about. Season 1 was great, and after finally assembling the team together in the last story arc, they do a 5 year time skip because why? There was no reason for this. At least give us one freaking season with the group together going on missions. It didn't help that they were stretching that stupid "The Light" story from Earth to the end of the universe. Every time you thought there was progress being made in that storyline, we would then get a "everything is going to plan" scene. This got old and unless you can see the future no one or team can be that damn good at planning, whatever the heck they were planning, over nearly a decade and everything is just fine and dandy. The other thing is, the writers wanted to make this show into Teen Justice League Unlimited instead of a show of a group of side kicks banding together on the weekned to do special op missions. If they wanted to show the JL in this universe, then they should have just made a separate show staring the Justice League, duh.

Season 2 really pissed me off just casually having damn near everyone go through all their arcs offscreen, new characters with no proper introduction who never get the focus the original cast (or just fucking Batman for some reason) did. Specifically Miss Martian was my favorite in S1 but I couldn’t fucking stand her ass going forward. Fucking Lagoon Boy.

In hindsight, show shouldve stayed cancelled There's a saying "too much of a good thing"

No way fam. Seasons 3 and 4 are abysmal.

They keep introducing new characters off screen and time jumping instead of giving screen time to develop the og team. The idea of Aqua Lad being leader was dumb (should have been Tempest first of all) Robin could have used S1 to develop into a leader, make mistakes, but learn until his eventual evolution into Nightwing.

I still need season 5. While I agree that it got worse, I still overall see the seasons are not so bad that it ruins the entire show as a whole. It's just that every season after season 1 are so convoluted and huge scale that they're trying so hard to reach the highs that season 1 achieved. Season 3 is the worst and while season 4 slightly improved the quality, it is still nowhere near season 1.

Season One was peak Season Two was bloated due to the numerous characters & subplots it had to juggle, & while flawed, was able to stick the landing Season 3 & 4 was dogshit

Season's 3 & 4 spent most of the time focusing on woke culture then actual quality

Still not over them killing Wally man.😭 They just started putting way too many heros in the show. Like I could care less about g-force bro. Also they should have made a Batman incorporated spinoff that would have been fire.

Just like with Pacific Rim, TFP Predacon Rising & Megamind, I like to believe that Young Justice Ended Abruptly on S2 & NOTHING else came after

I stand by my statement that Cartoon Network was what made the show peak as it made sure we didn't get an insane cast shake up like S3 and onward

Season 3 felt so off, like I couldn’t tell what it was but something just felt off about it and not cause of Wally, but I would say season 4 was pretty decent

The dialogue is so terrible now I don’t think I could choose less interesting ways to convey information to the audience

Forager is the most annoying character but yet he gets so much screen time. Who do they think their target audience is? Pre teens?

I feel like when they do these time skips, I think they expect people who read the comics to know what happened? But not everyone reads the comics, some of us gets our knowledge from the movies and shows.

On god if I ever ran into forager I’m throwing hands. No words, no warning, FUCK FORAGER. The most annoying character

I wish the show got animated movies

So firstly I just want everyone to know that the Writers didn’t name the series. The big bosses did. So don’t assume anything based off the name because that wasn’t supposed to be the original name. Secondly Artemis isn’t Artemis (She’s a JSA villain) and that pissed off a lot of fans because her comic version has an awesome story for her. Thirdly the writers never intended for this series to actually have an ending. It’s just supposed to be written as something that is continuous. So don’t be angry about the ending of season 4 cause it was written with no intention of a proper ending to it. Lastly the writers are the same guys that did stuff like Gargoyles. So of course it’s good. Anyway I hope this information is helpful.😁

Had the show stuck with the core group and we got to see their development instead of making these massive timeskips and throw in all these different heroes this could've been the best animated DC show since JLU.

Dude do NOT get me started on the whole Nightwing "arc" that was the one arc I was looking forward to the most. I'm thinking they'll save The Best for last, this was the best animated version of Dick Grayson in recent years and they sidelined him.

I’m a guy who also has multiple ideas, but I’ve realized for a time that there are cases where you can crossover them, but cramming it all in, either it’s too much work or there’s too much going on for the audience to focus on.

The show got way to scattershot when season 2 started, they should have stayed with the original team

The show’s shifting focus had me wondering if the DC brass at the time had handcuffed the writers with “you can’t use this or that character “. Lord knows studio interference has been a thing in the past, and I can smell it all over the last couple.

Yeah the first two seasons of Young Justice are still the best in my opinion with Season 1 still being my favorite, Season 3 I thought was fine but I found it mostly incredibly boring I didn't give AF about any of the new characters the Outsiders and I got about two or three episodes deep into Season 4 until I called it quits I was out Lol

When it became the drama show is when it really went downhill. Some personal problems involving our heros is nice here and there. Yet it became the entire show and since we had so many characters it never ended.

I been there with making video on YJ decline. Also you said cyborg fused with a mother box, when they were specific it was a father box in this show. Explaining some the abnormal behaviors.

We need a Wally West/Dick Grayson show honestly

You also notice that season 3 also reuses character designs from the DCAMU (most notable with Batman, Wonder Woman, and Vandal Savage's face)

Recently started season 3 and the first thing I noticed how much worse it has become since s2

The big problem is they never firmly established that Young Justice was both the title and thesis of the show. The show was about young heroes coming into their own. In order to show that, time has to keep moving until there are new young heroes to introduce.

To me, it ended badly when Wally died

My favorite character, Connor/Super Boy got more justice at least in Season 3 he beats Bedlam down quickly and his on going rivalry with Mammoth seeing their matchs was always fun but Connor Beating Mammoth without the Shields was fun, seeing him suplex it back wards and coordinate with bio ship to stun and knock him down probably the fastest time yet was amazing also him Mentoring Brion and seeing his rageful side in him was nice coming back on how far he's matured, Connor Later in Season 4 makes the ultimate sacrifice of stopping the bomb on mars and goes through whole bunch of other stuff being the inspiration for the legion heros and seeing him Getting Married to Megan was nice to see, as happy endings we barely see in this show yeah alot of things felt rushed and everything was kinda everywhere but at least Super Boy got good characters moments and an ending season 2 shited on so much it was annoying.

Season 1 its perfect, but after that it became worse every season

The downgrade in quality from YJ Seasons 3 and 4 is clear as day. From the drop in animation, the overabundance of characters and storylines that they should not have introduced, to its very inconsistent and subpar character writing. It all made me not want this show doesn't get picked up again

I'm just really happy we got a scene of RAZER from GLTAS and how it's hinted he'll be the "first" White Lantern.

The over use of khary Payton was pissing me off cus they really had bro voicing every black character on the show except for cyborg the character he became popular with 😂

I don't normally drop shows even when they go bad but I had to make an exception with Young Justice season 4 it is absolutely atrocious & even though I love garbage it was still too much trash even for me

Hey remember when Red Tornado wanted to become more human and that was touched upon in Season 1, barely mentioned in Season 3 and not at all in Seasons 2 and 4? That was so cool

I feel that just too many storylines and characters were introduced with little payoff. Still waiting for that payoff with Jason Todd, introduced at the beginning of season 3. It also felt like the core members had to relearn the same lesson they learned in season 2 - keeping secret a large scale conspiracy in the superhero community is a bad thing.

I thought season 4 was an improvement over season 3 but still isn’t as good as season 1

Nah the show went down when they turn Aqualad gay. Two beautiful females around him, one even live in his house but still turn gay, wtf!!!. I actually liked the show but couldn't stand that gay decision even maybe it's from the comic's. From there I know who ever is incharge of the story will kinda ruin it.

I think that the biggest issue is so much character development happens off screen and you wonder why? I completely agree with this video. Part of me wants a season 5, the other part knows it wouldnt focus on who I want. I rewatched season 2 recently and realised Wally is in less than a quarter of episodes and his death is supposed to be big but I needed more time with the Wallman first to get that hit

Hey man just wanna say your videos are awesome. Always talk about characters and things other people sleep on

I really only see the original members of The Team as the only characters who get consistent focus through all four seasons (minus Conner and Wally in Invasion and Dick in Phantoms), while everyone else is a minor character meant to only be focused on each seasonal arc. So, Invasion had Jaime and Bart, Outsiders had Brion, Violet, and Victor, and Phantoms had the Legion of Super Heroes and Beast Boy. There's clearly a large overarching story with The Light and Apokolips that "Evolution" explains is one that'll last for years and years in the show's timeline. My only agreement is with the show's poor animation, but that's more to blame on WB for providing less budget. Even then, season 4's colors and designs are a step up from season 3.

Dude, I'm crazy, I'm like the only person alive who thinks s3 and s4 are actually better than s1 and s2 😭😭😭 To me, the lack of focus on character arc ended in season 1, with season 2 forward focusing in each seasonal villain/event. Also, from season 2 forward they always change the focus MCs and villains. Like, what you say about Zod it's true, but it's also true for The Reach. And I seriously don't remember what half of s1's cast were doing in season 2 (Artemis, Wally and Aqualad did have a plot, Zatanna was doing daddy issues, I think; the rest was just kinda there. Actually I think Rocket wasn't even there). To me this "lack of focus" ain't wrong, is just the series' modus operandi The reason I enjoy s3 and s4 more is because the melodrama is a bit water down'd, which I see as an improvement, bc first half of the series, and mostly s1's drama is just so tryhard. Instead of acting like humans, the characters are acting like they want to win an Oscar real bad, I buy better their reactions as humans in the latter half I'm not a hater, from a campy point of view I even enjoy the melodrama, which is my least favorite part of the series... well I don't love Halo either... ahem- YJ is my favorite DC animated show. Is just that is crazy to me that people actually don't like the streaming seasons, and I'm not sure if it's for they actually don't remember how YJ was actually like, or if it's because I'm out of my mind ... That's a long-ahh comment

One thing this show got right. The STEALTH MISSIONS. The stealth suits are fye🔥🔥🔥

I hate the fact that Halo is treated just like Kenny from south park, that's so out of place. Also the new characters feel shallow and basic even after having their own arc, almost as if they were written just to check a list.

For me the beginning of the end was the time skip. The show did great introducing characters we do and don’t know onto the team. But as the time skips happened and each character grew every season became exposition to figure out what happened in the years that passed. That with the fact the show isn’t even about the team anymore and the justice league kinda took over made it pointless to watch. I came to this show to see the sidekicks prove themselves and now the show is a mess of dumb plots, deaths, and the league

Wally West, Kid Flash ending was cool and I imagined that we get a future look at Wally, in the far future and broken from the speed force and trying to get back to his own timeline and its a dark future with the Reach or Darkseid ruling Earth, or even an type of Old Man Logan (from marvel comics) where the villains ruled the world. And Wally has to hide and build himself a time machine and we see from two points of view with Young Justice fighting The Light and Wally knowing that the villains will win the day in the end. A pissed off Wally finally travelling back with an anti-Vandal Savage rock gun and shoots him and removes his immortality. All we got was Phantom Zone Wally and Connor. I didn't like Black Lightning, thought he was a mopey b*tch and I say that its the same with season 4 Beat Boy. Also Beast boy's look through all the seasons part from his first.

This show had many issues. An overly complex plot that just keeps getting more complex. A lack of focus on topics and characters fans cared about. Unresolved plots from seasons 1-3 still not solved. Easter eggs that created mystery boxes that hinted at something cool but were never realized. Time skips and introducing more characters nobody cares about. Pointless love stories that go nowhere. Characters who keep making bad choices and don't seem to learn. Also plot setups that go nowhere. So take your pic.

Season 5: Following a 10 year jump, 20 new members of Young Justice deal with inflation and out of control housing costs. Edgier and in touch with modern topics! I kid but.... This is totally happening. For the finale of the 6 mega episode season, Young Justice finds themselves siding with shop owners putting a beatdown on looters trying to find food when Darkseid shows up promising free food, free housing, and employment winning the hearts and minds of the people of Earth.

First off, I always enjoy your videos. Great content and interesting opinions each time. Keep them coming. I will have to disagree with you on season three. I have watched the show three times all the way through (except for season four - full disclosure, I watched it once). I think the creative decisions made for season three really pulled it out of the rut that I feel each time I watch season two. The choices for S3 were bold for an animated show - the characters, the mature plot, the modern issues. I found the threads in it engaging each time I watched it. And as an older comics fans who did collect some Batman and the Outsiders in my day, I found the takes on those characters to be a well-needed new approach. Seasons 1 and 3 are in my opinion are the best seasons of the show - mind you, I am not saying 2 and 4 are bad, they were great, they just fall a little short of 1 and 3 IMO.

I agree that season 3 is a step backward. Season 4, though I really enjoyed. Especially that Artemis arc. The biggest problem for me was the worse animation, but unfortunately, that's on funding. And with unresolved plotlines, Greg Weisman says, he, "believes the universe keeps going" so he'll always introduce stuff, which to me is a mistake.

Bro your edits are amazing LOOL. i loved the video.

There are a lot of valid points here, namely that the show introduces a lot of characters but doesn’t focus on any of them for very long. This is one of my primary complaints about YJ and it still baffles me to this day that a lot of important character development happens off screen. However, I’d argue that it’s because YJ is not about any one character or group. The charm, if you will, of later YJ is the idea of having so many characters, so many factions, and moving parts all working together and against each other in this intergalactic war, where the stakes are as high as they can get. Conversely, characters like the outsiders demonstrate how even a small piece of that puzzle like beast boy can have huge impacts, like when he and his team saved the universe from the anti life equation when our s1 team actually failed. While your point about Batman inc members not getting much/any focus is also valid, I’d again argue it’s because the Batman inc plot line is more abt Batman himself, and how his cynical morality conflicts with the rest of the cast, see his conversation with oracle in season 3. This is also why Vandal Savage is such a great villain, since he represents the other side of that coin, and what characters like Batman and GeoForce may become if they allow their moralities to become too corrupted. This is why Black Lightnings speech at the end of season 3 is so great, since it represents the climax of the debate of whether ends justify the means, and how he believes that being honest and moral will ultimately prevail over evil. I could honestly go on and on. but TLDR: while yes, individual characterizations may be weak in YJ at times (but again, there are great counter-examples of this in later seasons like with Batman, Beast Boy, and Vandal Savage), the show isn’t really about individual characterization. It’s about the larger DC universe as a whole that Greg Weismann and co so painstakingly crafted for us.

This is what happens when you keep adding new characters on top of characters you didn't develop. Like am I really supposed to care about Brion, Tara, Forager, and Violet when you teased me about Jason Todd and Ra's Al Ghul leaving the Light and League of Shadows? I'm also so tired of both Connor and M'Gann if they come back leave them in the background as they're annoying and overused. This show almost lost me when those losers started questioning Batman when his plan was the only one on Earth getting results.

I used to vehemently hate season 2 because of the timeskip and change of focus, but then I decided to give it a second chance after season 3 and realized it wasn’t as bad as I thought it was. Sure, I still hate the timeskip decision and think it did the show no favors, but the season as a whole worked with what it had pretty well. Too bad that realization came at the expense of two shit seasons. Also, Bowhunter Security easily carried the first half of season 3. I think it’s actually the only episode of that entire season I rewatched.

I was just wondering when you were gonna make this video a few days ago and you delivered 🙏🏾

I honestly thought the legion of super heroes showing up were going to help the team deal with light, I was very disappointed by the roles in the actual season 4.