The Duality of Opinions about Talene!!【AFK Journey】

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Zeeebo

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5 күн бұрын

So why is Talene Good/Bad by different players?!
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@Unitos_
@Unitos_ 3 күн бұрын
SO glad I started building Scarlita instead.
@kevinsoga434
@kevinsoga434 3 күн бұрын
If you're building Talene before Scarlita you're just trolling hard imo
@joriemorris9986
@joriemorris9986 3 күн бұрын
@@kevinsoga434 if you’re building scarlita before phraesto you’re not trolling hard but you’re trolling.
@cryptic7337
@cryptic7337 3 күн бұрын
@@joriemorris9986 phraesto shouldn't be high priority especially when u can use other tanks
@pariwhoop4935
@pariwhoop4935 3 күн бұрын
@@joriemorris9986for f2p too? I heard he’s not viable at one a few copies.
@yawakaskat7561
@yawakaskat7561 3 күн бұрын
Dont worry scarlita is useless if you are low spender or f2p 4v5 in the map is like suicide unless you are higher overallpower than enemy😂
@shuggybacon
@shuggybacon 3 күн бұрын
How hard am I trolling if I built Dionel to supreme+ before starting reinier
@Tyrannosaurus_STFU_III
@Tyrannosaurus_STFU_III 3 күн бұрын
The duality comes from whaling content creators and whales in general. Not the other 99% of us that play the game.
@Windsofambience
@Windsofambience 3 күн бұрын
I feel like every time a character comes out in this game, people rush to give their opinions on the unit without really diving into testing(I dont mean the streamers, thats their job) Based off of what i've seen from this unit she can be particularly strong in AFK stage pushing, duras trials, Supreme arena, and Arcane Lab. that being said though in regular arena since most people are running eiron/scar she isnt as strong there. I think its good that strong units have direct counters. This isnt the first instance of this either in the game, Odie Counters Igor, Igor Counters Vala, Vala counters Odie.... Things like this make the game interesting. It's your job, as the player base....to kinda figure it out. I will say though in other games if a specific character was so meta defining that you couldnt even release other units without them either being considered weak because they get countered by that unit, or strong because they work with that unit, or even weak because they work with that unit but not as good as the rest of the units; It would be grounds for the character to get nerfed. I'm not saying nerf Eiron but.....The devs might want to consider how to make a kit that allows people to play the game around him.... maybe a M+ ability that gives the entire Allied team unaffected for the first 10 seconds of the game or something i dunno >_>
@zodsersylvan9419
@zodsersylvan9419 3 күн бұрын
I think you're mistaken about rush opinion here: If a hero is broken or best at something, it will be discovered in day 1 of testing and If the hero is situational or niche, they will shine any other day of testing. Day 1 of using Talene, people discovered: she is hard counter by Scarlita in PvP bc of her kit unlike other heroes, Lone gaze DR Phraesto out dmg her while being a tank with same investment, her ult is very interruptible in AFK stages, and Talene still lost to Smokey in deficit pushing. --> There are so many things got discovered day 1, and I think you just straight up ignore because you want to pull for her. If you want to pull, just do it then quit the game after getting same result. I watched Zeeebo live stream to see those horrible result while she is S+ with 4-star investment, but you can find out yourself with your wallet as this is hardcore pay unit. You couldn't get the resource to pull this unit by just being filthy casual at the game and dev just made it possible when Talene was dropped which is yesterday. BTW, Day 2 of using Talene, people discovered: Honey bear hard counter Talene, and no new discovery beside some fan boys like you still in lala land.
@justifiably_stupid4998
@justifiably_stupid4998 3 күн бұрын
Ludovic directly counters eironn, and I am here for it 😊 He starts with flowers that automatically heal everyone around him. He could probably outheal a full round of ultimates at the start of the battle even if he was fully CCed.
@Windsofambience
@Windsofambience 2 күн бұрын
@@zodsersylvan9419 😂😂😂 MSG levels in the post are through the roof. Less soy sauce please
@oopuray665
@oopuray665 3 күн бұрын
Jack of trades, master of none! 😅 Very situational unit
@SwordSaint83
@SwordSaint83 3 күн бұрын
thats what happened when you got multiple roles.
@oopuray665
@oopuray665 3 күн бұрын
@@SwordSaint83 indeed! 😅
@wynnpham8663
@wynnpham8663 3 күн бұрын
Unless you’re Reinier.
@oopuray665
@oopuray665 3 күн бұрын
@@wynnpham8663 😅
@MandersonMiscellany
@MandersonMiscellany 3 күн бұрын
Thank you for explaining the contexts in which Talene thrives and struggles! This is more useful than a broad assessment of her damage potential.
@Shaman5EUSK
@Shaman5EUSK 3 күн бұрын
I have Talene at Mythic... Not Mythic plus. Shes not good rn 😂. Certainly not for f2p
@XenithShadow
@XenithShadow 3 күн бұрын
She has 5-6 revives and then she stays dead as she hits -100 vitality and cant be healed anymore
@char6383
@char6383 3 күн бұрын
Finishing my Phraesto from Mythic+ to Supreme+. Thanks for your insights as always! 👍
@katherinestahl7641
@katherinestahl7641 3 күн бұрын
I chose her because of her design mostly ngl 😂 she looks cool as hell
@johnbach2380
@johnbach2380 3 күн бұрын
She and phraesto are my favorite designs
@howyoudoinggrim
@howyoudoinggrim 3 күн бұрын
why not use her in mauler comp in pvp shakyr with her buff sounds crazy
@danielsoncarvalho8280
@danielsoncarvalho8280 3 күн бұрын
Just use enlightment artifact to counter most of Talene's con (which is CC)...also i imagine there might come some heroes that grants CC immunity soon, to counter the current CC meta
@alledzebu1975
@alledzebu1975 2 күн бұрын
Exactly my thoughts. Only problem with enlightening spell is that it doesnt lasts forever tho. It helps somewhat tho.
@skyfer7981
@skyfer7981 3 күн бұрын
I want Talene but all the times I get CC, taunts and stuff in PvP, afk stages I remember and now I can hold myself back for pulling her XD
@WorldOFBlackub
@WorldOFBlackub 3 күн бұрын
High potential to be op in the future
@ohaharsir
@ohaharsir 3 күн бұрын
a very good reason to S+ a cele/hypo if u ask me :P
@jenexofficial
@jenexofficial 3 күн бұрын
Yes if there is a hero introduced that can provide continuous purify
@iMarcism
@iMarcism 3 күн бұрын
Great perspective
@mitrakasg8519
@mitrakasg8519 3 күн бұрын
In my opinion, I heavily disagree with your take on 0:44. If something is unique that doesn't make it op, niru is unique and it is not op. The fact that she gets countered by every single good pvp team automatically makes her HORRIBLE in pvp BUT she is quite good in pve with the combination of smokey and/or another healer. The problem with talene is this : why build a good pve unit that is un-usable in pvp when you can build phraesto or scarlita that are good in pve and pvp.
@komodo7044
@komodo7044 3 күн бұрын
You’re over rating pharesto. He’s at the same tier as talene in PvP. The problem with pharesto is he is heavily countered by eironn and will force your positioning on most maps. Map 3 is horrible for him since u have to either give up the link or his damage reduction + shield.
@ohaharsir
@ohaharsir 3 күн бұрын
Totally agree with the unique = OP argument. I don't understand why many CC like to make a statement and self contradict themselves later in the video. I prefer their content when they are more honest and not find light-weighted excuses to say something is decent (especially when their logic can also be used on other non-meta heroes).
@gecgoodpasi1654
@gecgoodpasi1654 3 күн бұрын
@@komodo7044 phraesto is insane in PvE tho. he basicly enables every single deficit push team as he is the only tank that actually survives enough dmg still good in PvP but his main spot is PvE meanwhile talene isnt rly meta in either she gets completely fucked in PvP by any meta team and PvE u dont rly need her as u can just use smokey like normal
@komodo7044
@komodo7044 3 күн бұрын
@@gecgoodpasi1654 first, pharesto teams also revolves around Smokey. So let’s cut this bs “talene sucks for pve cause she needs Smokey” pharesto needs him too. Second, you can substitute pharesto for granny. I’ve been using granny and thoran in place of pharesto and still pushing the same. If I had m+ or s+ pharesto I would probably only be able to push like 10 more levels which barely matters after 1000. Even in dream realm the only boss he scores higher is lone gaze which also includes talene. Talene and pharesto have the same value.
@quentinmarien1976
@quentinmarien1976 3 күн бұрын
So… 1 copy of Scarlita and Phraesto. Who do I build?
@taokuroki
@taokuroki 3 күн бұрын
The way zeebo reading infinitely as in-fai-night-ly… interesting…
@Blissful_Sin
@Blissful_Sin 3 күн бұрын
Lets be honest... at s+ she is op... at m+ she is good but less compared to scarlita reinier at the same level... and at 1 copy she really is not that good...
@nosananolife5653
@nosananolife5653 3 күн бұрын
I own her at S+ +20 and I don't think she is tbh, she is not better than phraesto and scarlita in all game modes currently. She is heavily countered on PvP by control units or just scarlita herself. DR wise she doesn't deal as much as phraesto or scarlita either lol idk how to even defend her being good at something, the problem is she has every kit at every role but doesn't excel in any of it. She is a jack of all trades master of none 😂, anyways maxed her up because of her design and lore.
@michaelcooper1558
@michaelcooper1558 2 күн бұрын
Still saying it... Reinier m+ (at least) 1st... then mull over which cele/hypo you wanna build next.
@tyronpijloo7354
@tyronpijloo7354 3 күн бұрын
Do you think she will fit in the PVP Devine comp👀 with Scarlita & Dionel ⚡️
@bombdememo
@bombdememo 3 күн бұрын
Not with too much cc. Plus we don’t have a dedicated support (healer) for celestials/hypogeans.
@rainmaker8180
@rainmaker8180 3 күн бұрын
I'm using her in arena and she's taken me from top 50 to top 30 in whale server S1. Lol pretty good if you ask me
@vietamuc3691
@vietamuc3691 3 күн бұрын
@@rainmaker8180 what is your line up? She is not good in my pvp team atm
@yeet95.
@yeet95. 3 күн бұрын
when even whales says she is not good.. she is not good
@karsonkammerzell6955
@karsonkammerzell6955 3 күн бұрын
That's what whales said about LITERALLY every single unit on release.
@yeet95.
@yeet95. 3 күн бұрын
@@karsonkammerzell6955 not rly. this unit is ds. cant even clear afk stages at 1300+ with her ult up until the end
@rubyn.5096
@rubyn.5096 2 күн бұрын
I pulled for her as my first celepogean and can confirm, she currently isn't very good in most content ):
3 күн бұрын
was hoping for good arena D:
@mihaimelinte7058
@mihaimelinte7058 2 күн бұрын
U see her, put cc heroes and that's that
@ezechel
@ezechel 3 күн бұрын
I think she can be great but as Mystic tier, on Copy sucks!!!
@justifiably_stupid4998
@justifiably_stupid4998 3 күн бұрын
She is indeed a hero
@ken_727
@ken_727 2 күн бұрын
hey just asking if talene and viperian have synergy
@Zeeebo
@Zeeebo 2 күн бұрын
a lil?
@ken_727
@ken_727 2 күн бұрын
@@Zeeebo ah okay since i thought of them together in a team out of nowhere and since theyre both magic dealers thought they would have some synergy maybe with casadee idk
@OGBirdman1016
@OGBirdman1016 2 күн бұрын
I highly regret going for Talene. Phraesto would've done so much more for my account. She has pretty much no use for me.
@SwordSaint83
@SwordSaint83 3 күн бұрын
she is not bad but she is not op either imo
@shashay1344
@shashay1344 3 күн бұрын
Seems like Zeebo doesn’t realize OP means overpowered. Talene is definitely not overpowered compared to other units. Reiner and Scarlita are arguably better.
@WorldOFBlackub
@WorldOFBlackub 3 күн бұрын
Mid imo not worth the blue balls right now
@Tyrannosaurus_STFU_III
@Tyrannosaurus_STFU_III 3 күн бұрын
Blue balls...lmmfao That's how we all feel after celestial pulls... Your a frigging genius, and blue balls should be the correct nomenclature from here on out.
@vortex5537
@vortex5537 3 күн бұрын
Blue shit is also good​@@Tyrannosaurus_STFU_III
@shashay1344
@shashay1344 3 күн бұрын
TLDR: Talene gets easily countered in PVP, she’s useless against 3 of the dream realm bosses and she requires high investment. I think I’m gonna go for Phraesto…
@sirken2
@sirken2 3 күн бұрын
She doesn't do shit in deficit pushing as someone past 1.9k XD
@justifiably_stupid4998
@justifiably_stupid4998 3 күн бұрын
Heroes that do low damage per hit, especially constant damage over time, don't do well against enemies with high defense. If the enemy has 100M defense, no attacks under 100M will even be counted. If we didn't have smokie's bugged ult, we would be using true damage and high crit heroes exclusively for pushing.
@Zothimus
@Zothimus 3 күн бұрын
Thanks for the perspective and content! One thing I appreciate with this game, afk journey, is you can counter any character with strategy. No character in the game is invincible. Gives f2p and guppies a fighting chance! Have a great day Zeeeee! 💯 ✌️
@jenexofficial
@jenexofficial 3 күн бұрын
Imma gonna make my reiner supreme, just to increase his base stat for survaivality. One free copy after 2 and half weeks and one selection chest.
@user-xt6zz5np9m
@user-xt6zz5np9m 2 күн бұрын
if you compare every single hero with scarlita, and only care about arena things, well play, you are having another job now by playing a mobile game which calls afk journey.
@BisAndTris
@BisAndTris 3 күн бұрын
Every time I watch your videos, you are on someone else's account. Why?
@Cwildyoutube
@Cwildyoutube 3 күн бұрын
Being countered by basically half the meta heroes makes her bad. Arguing against it is hurting the ftp player base. Don't go for her. She's mid af
@Solbrille
@Solbrille 3 күн бұрын
Tbh, she seems very usable in pvp. Use her as an extra damage dealer in ur eironn vs other stall comps with scarlita etc. Im top 5 in my server. She wasnt an autowin vs dio/ scar comps. But that would have made her too op in my mind. And the other "pvp" units you have to build around. Talene is more of a build enabler and can be brought into most
@mitrakasg8519
@mitrakasg8519 3 күн бұрын
I feel like you haven't used her , if you did you would see that she is a horrible damage dealer since she gets interrupted all the time vs eironn teams.
@komodo7044
@komodo7044 3 күн бұрын
@@mitrakasg8519run enlightening
@Solbrille
@Solbrille 3 күн бұрын
@@mitrakasg8519 Thats what ive been thinking with all these "talene mid" comments. ive been using her vs all defs im fightning now, and she excels. she doesnt need her ult to shine there. ofc she is even better if she isnt interrupted.
@Teerin123
@Teerin123 3 күн бұрын
@@mitrakasg8519ngl i use her in my stall team with thoran, eironn, scarlitta, talene and damian (All S+). Using Enlightening spell on her she absolutely fucking cooks. Keeps the rest of my team healthy and alive to not get killed by enemy scarlitta while melting their team and letting my scarlitta or thoran wipe them.
@karsonkammerzell6955
@karsonkammerzell6955 3 күн бұрын
​@@Teerin123Might try that. My biggest issue has been one team in particular that uses all Dionel, Scarlita, Phraesto, Reinier, and Damian lol.
@wheelchair89
@wheelchair89 2 күн бұрын
Infyyyynyteeeee
@erthlins
@erthlins 3 күн бұрын
talene is underwhelming
@Daredevil-jc7du
@Daredevil-jc7du 3 күн бұрын
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