You can buy slaves TODAY in Afrika. Why not work on that? The past is the past. The whole world had slaves in the past. And it originated in Afrika. They enslaved white people for 800 years. The trans atlantic slave trade was (only) 200 years. Please excusses and reparations for the white slavery.

Beautifully written, devislmaiden.

True 🫶

Exactly my point. It’s not as straightforward as it sounds and many people do not want to acknowledge the truth… slavery occurred in almost every facet of the world at that time. It was inhumane and barbaric but so were the practices that occurred at that time. An example was in my tribe, new born twins were killed because according to the leaders they were a curse from the gods (imagine for one moment the pain mothers had to endure) . Anyway I hope we all learn from this and find a way to move on 🥹

@@josphineogugua "The past is a strange country, they do things differently there".

@@josphineoguguaI wish some Americans where like you and educated themselves about the truth it would solve racism once and for all

Europeans also sold other Europeans into slavery on a massive scale. Venice got rich mainly by selling Slavic slaves to the byzantines in North Africa. Prague was once a huge slave market selling slaves to the Venetians.

No one asked you.

@@mazcid177 Who cares?

Oh wow. Hope you enjoyed the festival? 🤗

@@josphineogugua For me it felt like the Kwaku-festival. A lot of music and food - but I felt less of the original vibe and message of Keti Koti as I experienced in the previous editions in the Oosterpark.

Aaaah! En wat denk je van Frankrijk. Die tot de dag van vandaag 14 Afrikaanse landen chanteert met moord en ze gedwongen zij n 85% van de welvaart van hun land in Frankrijk op de bank moeten storten. Waarom denk je dat Afrikanen vluchten uit die 14 landen?? Hoe moeten ze investeren in hun eigen economie, hun eigen infrastructure, school, ziekenhuizen en dergelijke als ze worden gechanteerd om hun welvaart af te staan.?? Daarom zijn ze op de middellandse zee ik overvolle bootjes. Maar daar hoor je niks van. Hoe zou jij het vinden als Nederland 85% van hun welvaart aan Spanje moest afstaan na de 80 jarige oorlog? Hoe zou jij het vinden als Nederland 85% van hun welvaart miet afstaan aan feankrijk na de oorlog key napoleon?? Hoe zou jij het vinden als Nederland 85% van hun welvaart moest afstaan aan Duitsland na de 2e wereld oorlog??

@@rodniegsm1575 Het zijn vrij ernstige aantijgingen richting Frankrijk wat je daar schrijft, ik had er nooit van gehoord. Ik weet wel dat deze landen waar je het over hebt franc CFA valuta’s gebruiken die vroeger aan de Franse franc was gekoppeld en nu gekoppeld aan de euro. Ondanks de monetaire stabiliteit die dit systeem nu geeft voor deze landen, is ook kritiek over dit systeem omdat De CFA-Franc is immers gekoppeld aan de euro, en dit geeft ‘Europa’ een aanzienlijke economische en politieke invloed op CFA-landen. Er zijn nu acht landen die de franc CFA niet meer gebruiken maar de ECO maar wederom ondanks de nadelen hebben ze het ook gekoppeld aan de Euro.

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You are no one so...no one asks you to appologize. Your king did! He matters, you don't.

@@mazcid177 i care for your opinion as much as you care about mine

Haiti was the first to ban slavery after gaining independence of the British in 1793 , before the Europeans did.

@@strawberry-jq9fu Europeans did it in the late byzutine era around the year 1000 and then we started doing it to africans later. Slavs are Roman Slaves who were freed after the empire fell / moved to the east, its literally where the name came from and not from the ottomans or turks @Ronald .

@@strawberry-jq9fuHaiti was the first the abolish the African Atlantic slave trade one of many slave trades ever

Learn about history. You are missing 99% off it.

People off all locations have been enslaved..should their defendants also start demanding reparations? And from who?

To forget you must first remember. You never were a slave...so what's in your memory?

@otto197 Ik heb geen schuld aan de fouten van mijn voorouders. Dat waren hele andere tijden. We bought most slaves from African warlords....let them first complain there.

That slavery has been part and parcel of the human existence doesn't mean that the God of the Bible accepted it. The God of the Bible gave humans a free will, which means that we are free to decide for ourselves, with the God of the Bible being principled enough to respects our choices. Since the fall humans have always been inclined to sin and transgress. Humans don't learn from history either, we are inclined to seek or own good at the expense of the common good, and thus act irrationally especially when we are not at the receiving end of woes. When were are victims we kick and scream but give the victim a chance and he/she will become worse than the oppressor. The God of the Bible prophesied about Christ, which Jesus Christ himself acknowledged, that Christ came to set the captives free (Isaiah 61:1, Lake 4:18). This aspect of the goodness of God is demonstrated in God using Moses as an instrument in the liberation of the children of Israel from 400 plus years of slavery, in fulfillment of the promise which He made to Abraham (Genesis 15:13, Exodus 4:22)---the reason(s) for their being subjected to slavery I won't dwell on for the sake of time. As for your claim that Christ instructed slaves to obey their masters, correction: this was rather a quote from Paul in his epistles (letters) to the one of the churches (Ephesians 6:5-9). Please get your facts straight. The God of the Bible WILL not impose His ways on anyone EXCEPT you are in a pact or covenant with Him, like the children of Israel were, where their fathers and posterity went into such covenants aware of the conditions that they entailed, and in search of the goodness and providence of God. God is not lawless, on the contrary He commits Himself to the laws He has set in place(Psalm 138:2). Even in going into such covenants people still repeatedly transgressed by failing to meet their side of the bargain as we read many a times in the Bible---That is human nature for you, after all as we all know that no one is perfect except God! A definite and indisputable quote by Christ describing the loving, merciful and kind nature of God can be found in Matthew 5:43-45. As I said before, God gave humans a free will, we can decide to do good or evil, serve Him or not, but whatever we choose to do we and our descendants WILL bear the consequences. This fact has been proven time without number. In the Classical period when Jesus and His contemporaries walked the earth there were slaves and masters of varied nationalities, colours, creeds, etc. The apostles and disciples had a mandate of preaching the Gospel of the Kingdom. They had to respect the choices of all those around them and prioritise their tasks so that instead of creating an uprising, and as such challenge the authority of the emperor and his viceroys, which would go against Roman law and order as well as Christ's message of hope and peace, and further endanger the Christian sect, they had to put their efforts into preaching salvation of souls, which was of a great eternal value. Besides, I'm sure thar everyone can agree that no other religion per say has done more to liberate slaves than Christianity. This was possible when Christianity dominated the civilized world. People will always make mistakes, go against the laws of God and kindness, and through negative associations and the adoption of bad practices (1 Corinthians 15:33) engage in things that contradict their value systems as European powers did by being involved in slavery during the age of mercantilism where they competed tooth and nail against each other to build up their countries' gold reserves and thus dominate, the love of money being the root of all evil (1 Timothy 6:10). That aside, what about us Africans that like everyone else love material things too much, but unlike a lot of people will sell that which is more valuable for things that we can learn to produce for ourselves? The bottom line: blacks have enslaved blacks and non-blacks alike, the same thing can be said about other nations and civilizations. Africans have been hostile towards themselves. Slavery could certainly have been prevented had we had a common belief system, language, and value system. A common belief system would have been more attainable and effective than the language aspect although I doubt such would have been enough to erase the wickedness entrenched in our various cultures which seem still to be alive even today. Think about it, you can't give that which you don't have. Imagine the treachery and stupidy, how can a mere umbrella be worth or come close in value to forty persons for goodness sake? Those persons could have been employed on African plantations or in industries on the continent instead. Were our ancestors that stupid, why didn't they think, better still why didn't they just ask the right questions like how can we produce commodities like mirrors, umbrellas, etc instead of giving away much for little? What is certain is that they were just plain wicked and this can be seen in the fact that some of the leaders did not want slavery to end as they had a lot to gain from it but nothing to show for it. I can't wait for Africans themselves, i.e. the descendants of the leaders of old, to apologise heartily to the descendants of slaves for all the trauma caused, a lot of which is still at play in many people's lives today, we are very much to blame for all their sufferings. Reparations don't come close to atoning for man's inhumanity towards man. Forgiveness from the heart from all sides will help us all heal and move forward as the entire human race has suffered and continues to do so. Which brings me to my final point, thank God for Christianity, for Jesus Christ is the way, the truth, and the life. He alone is true civilization and justice. It was after all the Christians who fought for the abolition of slavery and the dissolution of other terrible practices. Only good can overcome evil! Take care and God bless you.

1 Thessalonians 5:15!

@@goingintoalltheworld There are at least seven passages in the Bible where God is depicted as directly permitting or endorsing slavery. Two of these are in the Law of Moses: God permitted the Israelites to take slaves from conquered peoples permanently, and the Israelites could sell themselves into slavery temporarily to pay off debts (Exod 21:2-11; Lev 25:44-46). The other five passages are in the New Testament, where slavery as a social institution is endorsed and slaves are called to obey their masters “in everything” (Eph 6:5-9; Col 3:22-4:1; 1 Tim 6:1-2; Tit 2:9-10; 1 Pet 2:18-20). But slavery is viewed positively in Scripture well beyond these commands. Owning slaves was seen as a sign of God’s blessing (Gen 12:16; 24:35; Isa 14:1-2), and there are literally dozens of passages in the Bible that speak of slavery in passing, without comment. Slavery was simply part of life, and most people saw it as just the way things always were, even the divinely ordained order of things. And yes, in case there is any doubt, this was real slavery: “the slave is the owner’s property” (Exod 21:21). Both Old and New Testaments called for better treatment of slaves than many of the peoples around them, and the Law of Moses in particular called for better treatment of fellow Israelites as slaves. But slaves could be beaten (Exod 21:20-21; 1 Pet 2:18-20), and slaves could be taken as concubines (Gen 16:3-4; Exod 21:8-11) or even raped without serious consequence (Lev 19:20-22). These passages are all pretty straightforward. One could even say that the Bible is clear on this: the institution of slavery is permitted by God, endorsed by God, and owning slaves can even be a sign of God’s blessing. This has in fact been the Christian view through history: it’s only in the last 150-200 years that the tide of Christian opinion has shifted on slavery.

As i said before, we live in a fallen world. God has given each of us a free will. There is a difference between the permissive and perfect will of God. This is where so many people get things wrong and falsely attribute terrible characteristics to God that are not at ALL part of His nature, the book of Job presents a wonderful example of how learned and spiritual men were very misguided when it came to deciphering the nature of God, and for which God confronted them. Another example, you will recall in Scripture when the Israelites wanted a king in order to be like the 'other' nations, that although it was not the right time according to God's callender for them to have one, nevertheless, God still had to yield to their demands. In Ezekiel there is a warning regarding praying with idols in your heart. In the same manner and refering back to our topic, that Abraham had servants and slaves does not mean that God instituted suffering in the first place. This is all as a consequence of the fall of Adam and Eve. E What's more, even the black (or whatever) Pharaoh at the time of Abraham had slaves. This was something commonly practiced and justified in those days as it is now. Humans always make excuses for their sins, deflecting blame or justifying our actions. Even in your own culture men were deemed prosperous based on the number of wives, children, servants, livestock and other possessions they had. It was permitted for a wife like Sarah to give their concubine to her husband Abraham if they could not have a child; Rachael and even Leah engaged in this destructive act due to the competition that polygamy brings, did God stop them? No. Did He interfer as such? God never told them to stop what they were doing, it was all part of their culture, it was all they knew. Besides they didn't even bother to ask God how he would fulfill His promises of increase to them, they like everyone of us have taken matters into our own hands and have borne and continue to bear the consequences! Even now Christians are influenced by the cultures they hail from, some even more so than the teachings of Christ. God has given us free will but you will definitely bear the consequences of your actions. You can go and harm somebody on the street but know that if that person is innocent and even if you get away with your crimes your children will suffer in time. That is where a lot of us and our nations find ourselves. Abrahams descendants were subjected to slavery due to his act regarding being dishonest to Pharaoh and then keeping the gifts that Pharaoh gave him for his wife. How many of us are going through trails and tribulations for something we or our forebears have done? Which is why this concept of repentance qualified David as a man after God's own heart. David said that (I paraphrase for now but will include the scriptural references later) 'sacrifices and burnt offerings you did not require'. God wants a pure heart, a humble and contrite spirit, one that accepts when He corrects and reprimands us, unlike the heart of Pharaoh who refused to let Israel go when the end of their suffering had come, and King Saul who was a reprobate. For what Western governments and their people are doing by repenting (even though I feel it is largely due to external pressure, politics and the media, aka 'white guilt') for their part in enslaving others they will reap God's blessings and will progress better than we in Africa who always like to play blame game and victims whilst lying and covering our sins.

There is a passage in the Bible (Proverbs 24) that says that we ought not to laugh when God is punishing our enemies otherwise God will see and will be offended at us and withdraw from afflicting them--not that one wants them to be punished as it's my wish that everyone repent, forgive eachother and obtain mercy and blessings from God. That slavery was widely practiced is indisputable, however it was only accepted by God insofar as it was used as a tool to punish His people when they sinned/rebelled as well as their enemies who were already in sin especially when they encroached on His land and/or provoked his people. Even with that slavery had its deadline. God tempers His judgement with mercy. God never invented slavery nor did He invent murder, adultery, polygamy and other vices. These and other vices are as a result of the curse. To buttress my point with an example, God's perfect plan was for Abraham to seek him regarding the mother of the child of promise and then to trust Him that Sarah, his wife would give birth to the heir. Abraham, who knew God better than his wife and could have asked key questions, succumbed to the flesh by listening to his wife and had a child with Hagar. This was not God's plan, had it been then the next time He spoke with Abraham He might have said something other than 'be HOLY like I the Lord am HOLY'. Had this been God's plan then Hagar and Ishmael wouldn't have been ordered to leave, God backing Sarah who had initially brought about the matter. Mind you, the man was called a friend of God but regardless fell into sins like lying and giving his wife to different leaders on multiple occasions, were any of those acts right even if he was afraid that he would be killed, according to God's holy standards? Another thing, thanks for sharing the scriptural reference but I dare say that God used the law to address and repress the rebellious nature of His people. I mean at several points He wanted to destroy them. The law was hard on certain aspects but lenient on widely accepted cultural norms like polygamy and slavery which have led many to believe that God 'encouraged' these kinds of things. Sarah, Rachael and Leah facilitated these traditions, they forced theit men to take concubines. That God instructs a man who has mutliple wives, but favours his second son from his second wife, to give the firstborn son of the woman that isn't his favourite wife his due inheritance of the double portion; and that God confronted David when he committed adultery with Bathsheba with something along the lines of 'had the houses and wives of your neighbour not been enough for you then I would have given you such and such....' do3s not mean that God encouraged polygamy asany African traditionalists would have us believe. The consequences for greed and cruelty will always manifest in broken homes, misery, etc. David, the man after God's heart could not pit his own house in order and neither could Jacob. The law dealt with the terrible sitiation the people were in and tried to bring some kind of order out of disorder. After all, the proof is in the pudding, that these practices were a part of the people's culture did not stop them from suffering greatly because of them, e.g. Gideon's seventy sons from multiple women were all killed by Abimelech their brother who went on to wage wars and was in turn killed by a woman, polygamy (which in David's case must have been due to a lust and rejection issue) coupled with his being in the wrong place at the wrong time led to his commiting adultery, killing the woman's husband, losing his infant son, being disgraced (some people will argue that Kings were known to do such things but it was not right according to God's perfect standards which go beyond the law of Moses), along with the other consequences that followed. Even Solomon (Jedidiah) fell big time due to his multiple foreign wives---he was even worse than his father who had mainly Israelite wives but atill fell short. Now why don't the traditionalists preach the consequences of polygamy and slavery, rather they are quick to say that because God did not condemn David or Solomon directly he was okay with polygamy or any other vice (the law instructed kings not to multiple wives and other possessions to themselves yet people always disobey). People pick and choice, cherry pick, until they get hurt, until your children rebel, your wives scheme against you or you lose everything. In the same way, slavery is better ignored or uncondemned when you are the slave owner and not the slave, when you possess and are not possessed, until God through His servants tell you to abolish it and then if you're like Pharaoh you begin to question to authority of God or try to find passages in the Bible or dig into your people's practices to justify it.

Exactly 👌🏾

Slavery was never about the color of your skin but the enabling to humiliate and "own" other human beings by the wealthy and powerful. You see that all though history and it still ongoing.

Weldone 🤭

Two parties can be participants of a crime. I’m not downplaying their role, I’m saying both participated.

Nobody is saying one is more excusable than the other..the truth is that slavery is universal and its bad on whatever scale no matter how small