The only role that sounds miserable to me is ADC. Jungle is fun if you mute all and pretend you're playing a single player game.
@angelborislavov91922 жыл бұрын
This is what i do 😇
@ollep0lle2 жыл бұрын
Jungle is so hard for me. I barely know where to go, except for my closest camp. I cant decide if I should main an early or scaling champion. Theres so much to plan and think about, its way too difficult for me haha. Any good tips...?
@YuYuYuna_2 жыл бұрын
ADC is hell, that's for sure. To play ADC you have to accept that lane is largely dictated by support and you have to adjust to your support's play style (being nice here) and position yourself so you can still farm safely and reliably. Learning good wave management is a massive part of playing ADC Solo in ranked.
@shgalagalaa2 жыл бұрын
@@YuYuYuna_ learning wave management more for top lane tbh. You cant manage the wave as adc if support is turbo gapped / bad matchup or just refuses to help you push. You cant slow push if you lose all ins even in a big wave. You cant freeze when you are weaker and you cant break a freeze when weaker. Top is counter matchup lane sure but very few matchups are unplayable to the point where you cant play the waves.
@TwistedTeaFate2 жыл бұрын
This *actually* a good video on what makes certain roles good or bad. I've been so many KZfaqrs tackle this idea and do it poorly.
@tegansumei97722 жыл бұрын
People literally can’t read. This is a tier lost on easiest roles to climb not easiest roles to play. There’s a clear difference but so many LoL players can’t read so makes sense the reaction this video is getting.
@JetSetz2 жыл бұрын
Since a lot of mages are picked as the "ADC" in the botlane. It makes sense for the Marksman to be in middle due to all the mentioned benefits in the video. Safest/shortest lane, solo xp/gold, reaches 6 the fastest, impacts both sides of the lane (and many marksman have global ults, the fast lvl6+global ult seems like a no brainer). Mages usually are deadly in their combo but not early on. They may do some nasty chunk of damage at best. But paired with a support, suddenly botlane duo is a perfect wombo combo lane that has clean kills. Not some kind of support burst to 50% then autohit for 30dmg marksman battle to the death coinflip gameplay. Mid also cries A LOT for jng ganks to setup kills for them, while in this case, the supp can do it. The adc in midlane literally won't care at all for ganks, his prio is to farm and get big. What do u think?
@Ivy_Snowfox2 жыл бұрын
Absolutely agree. When i watch OTP play. Diffrent champ usally have main stratergy to carry the game. Most commonly are 2 tactic below Ezreal mid usally solo kill laner over and over, constanly pushing wave. Same as Tristana or Catilyn mid Zed/Talon mid want to shovw wave and perma roam to side lane. Objective control .etc I dont play tank mid but the idea that i get when facing them is usally counter assassin mid by building tank. And make them hate thier life . ( I hate malphite mid)
@kosmique2 жыл бұрын
Sivir mid. thank me later.
@Tuskabanana2 жыл бұрын
wisper more pls holy shit..
@DzinkyDzink2 жыл бұрын
Yeah but what ADC have good early wave clear to avoid getting shoved?
@vitortakara70902 жыл бұрын
@@DzinkyDzink sivir,ez,lucian, tristana, jinx, cait, kaisa etc, a lot of adcs have decent to strong shoves but it also depends on matchups since the enemy may or may not be a champion that can shove that quickly or safely
@sashastronghold57753 ай бұрын
Thank you for making this video. I'm an ADC main and i feel like the amount of knowledge and precision to play well for this role is higher than the others. The only part about low elo ADC i love is that indeed enemies dont know how to punish and end games fast so even if you were down cs or kills you can always scale back up and carry the game as often the fed enemy ADC doesnt know how to actually carry the game to its end.
@David-tr9xk2 жыл бұрын
the reality is the ADC role is simple, you do damage and have a small pool of champs to pick from. With the simplicity comes the cost of agency, if the a role with the most (reliable) late game damge had lots of early game agency it would be "OP", so by design and as intented this is why adc is bad for soloQ climbing, great for 5v5 and higher skilled 5v5 where i would say its most prob the easiest role. Solo queue is designed for "ff15" "x dif" so naturally adc isnt as relevant as in higher pro play where games are much slower (low kills) and adcs get to farm up alot. Moreso soloQ is often comp gap (even pro), "BOT" role has the least flexability in filling their teams gaps... low elo eveyone just wants to deal dmg and even play loads of crit and often teams land up with no frontline and cc. Tyler1 is proof, from ADC main "best Draven in the world" to pretty much being the most succesful streamer in SoloQ now hates the role and has perfected all other roles and found them easier.
@itzjanosbtw15092 жыл бұрын
So you basically you said: "adc is the easiest thus its the hardest" That's partly true, but it's not hard to have a good game as adc. It's hard to be consistent and climb as such. Adc requires little to no mechanical skills, but absolute godlike macro compared to other roles. Mistakes set you back a lot so it's really risky.
@revivedsoul1099 Жыл бұрын
@@itzjanosbtw1509 "Adc requires little to no mechanical skills, but absolute godlike macro compared to other roles" are you crazy?? You barely need any macro for ADC. You dont dictate most of the game, jgl, support and mid does. This is one of the dumbest i heard. You have this reversed mate. Adc is hardest mechanical role, with ktiing, dps and abilities aswell being squichiest in the game. Adc is also needs the least macro. You farm and dps. Objectives is not their biggest strenght.
@kano3958 Жыл бұрын
@@revivedsoul1099why should it be a hard mechanical role ? Because you need to last hit ? Jgl also need to make a time perfekt smite.
@burritocheese681 Жыл бұрын
@@kano3958 I main jgl but comparing ADC mechanics to a timed smite is crazy 💀
@Osjey11 ай бұрын
T1 himself ranked top and jg harder than adc
@vindex73092 жыл бұрын
For the support role, I would say there’s a caveat for roaming. The fourth instance to roam is if your adc doesn’t know wave management and rather than letting your lane feed two kills for every gank, try to influence the rest of the map to offset how bad your adc is. It won’t work 100% of the time, but roaming Janna top lane is a thing for a reason. Even if the enemy bot lane comes out 10/0/0, if you can collect on that bounty with your fed jg/mid/top because you got them ahead in that time, you may be able to salvage that game. Edit: e.g. rather than being in lane to let your adc farm (who has proven already they only know how to fast push) be at rift to ensure first turret gold to top or mid.
@kosmique2 жыл бұрын
Janna Top also is NOT a thing, for a reason. wp riot
@YuYuYuna_2 жыл бұрын
Janna top is a thing for the same reason lulu top works: they're enchanters and they literally just need moonstone and they're useful for the entire game. Doesn't matter if they're down levels as long as they have R. Also Janna top wasn't just playing Janna in the top lane. It was smite Janna and the entire strategy involved having your JG take all the farm top and then both of you go and invade/rotate mid throughout the entire game. It works in solo queue because of the massive lack of coordination and cooperation from solo queue players. Also you have double smite so objectives are impossible to lose if both you and your JG can do basic math and add up smite values and know what HP to smite at so the enemy JG with only 1 900 dmg smite can't steal vs double smite. Also what you're saying about essentially telling your ADC to go fuck themselves is a good way to lose games because you don't want to use pings nor want to actually help your ADC. Additionally not letting your ADC have access to farm and exp is about the best way to grief the chances of your team winning. ADCs or marksmen champions need gold and exp to be useful. If you say "yeah this guy sucks, I'm not going bot anymore" and let him get zoned off wave after wave and pushed off of tower and give away all plates then you are literally griefing your team. You can complain and whine all you like about your shit adc but if they have no support in lane to allow them to safely farm then as long as this isn't silver the enemy bot lane will see that you're not coming back to bot and they will either tower dive if he stays or they will zone him and force him to miss the gold but also the EXP. This is a terrible attitude to have as a support main. If you genuinely believe what you're saying you shouldn't play support. There's a reason why the support role is paired up in the bot lane and not mid or top. The role of support is to #1 give their ADC the ability to farm safely and #2 provide opportunities for their ADC to get ahead via poking, harassing, good vision, communicating via pings when you want to combo harass or all in, etc. Support mains apparently hate hearing this but it's the reality of your role. Go ask any high elo streamer, pro or high elo content creator. They will all tell you that your job as a support is to provide your ADC with opportunities to get ahead and to ensure they can farm safely and reliably. It doesn't matter what you say your ADC does, you don't get to not do your job just because they're lazy about their job. If you see your ADC afk fast pushing every wave then ping them off the wave. You're in a side lane so wave management is very important and you can't just throw your hands up, shrug your shoulders and say "Idk he just afk fast pushes every wave. Nothing I can do"
@YuYuYuna_2 жыл бұрын
Also, the way you avoid feeding kills every gank is improving your ward placements so they dont get swept and understanding vs different jungle champs where it is best to ward. For example warding gromp/near blue buff or warding krugs (depends on what side you spawn on) is best because then you'll know what camps she is on and have vision of her on bot side. Or vs champions like zac ward in the enemy's pixel brush or, even better, ward around the wall so if they pink the bush it wont disable your ward. A large part of playing support is playing babysitter for your ADC. Making sure to inform them of where the enemy JG is and roams from mid. It gets less so at higher elos but especially in lower elos (silver - plat/low diamond) you REALLY need to ping this stuff and spam ping it not just lazily ping one time.
@Miraihi2 жыл бұрын
Also leaving the lane as a support gives ADC a solo experience that may help them to catch up if able to farm safely under tower.
@itzjanosbtw15092 жыл бұрын
@@Miraihi that's not a thing. I play adc and when the support leaves the lane I instantly get dove by the enemy bot and it's extremely tilting for the ADC when the support roams
@einjharrelraca2 жыл бұрын
glad to see you back man. you're videos are some of the best and you're way too unknown
@prozaq77162 жыл бұрын
I really appreciate that! thank you!
@agureiodle26902 жыл бұрын
something i have noticed is that low elo games are often decided in the first 5 minutes because a lot of people just AFK so its unlikely to get to 30-40 minutes
@wavergaming2 жыл бұрын
My theory is that you carry through midlane till you hit high elo and then switch to support?
@axb_zero84572 жыл бұрын
u need to be able to play carry champs tho
@axb_zero84572 жыл бұрын
i disagree on mid lane, but only for control/poke mages, Xerath as an example, he cant walk out of tower range, otherwise hes dead by jgl, there are unplayable matchups like fizz, who can just R and then either Q AA W AA E or E Q AA W dive you with ignite and solokill every time u dont have flash, sometimes even barrier isnt enough, Xerath has no Vision control, which means jgl can gank u really easily, especially smth like zac, Vi, warwick..., ur only counterplay is staying under tower, Xerath is only good into mages with low kill thread, like Cassio, Viktor, Corki, who dont have jgl setup also Xerath cant build defensive like viktor, bcs he either can oneshot with full combo or not when getting run down, while viktor has dps So yea, climbing in soloQ with Xerath or similar is defenetely not easy, its mostly depending on the enemy jgl tbh, if he plays around u and is good at ganking, Xerath is fukced, every gank is dive kill, especially from champs without counterplay without mobility (again Vi, Zac, Warwick, Skarner...)
@SousaVasco2 жыл бұрын
I don't play xerath but can't you just push the wave and look for R bot and top?
@axb_zero84572 жыл бұрын
@@SousaVasco well technically yes and i do that sometimes, but downsides are: 1. u have to use spells on wave, the enemy could jump on u while Q and W are down, and he has time to farm safely without me punishing 2. while pushing his jungler could come gank -> ur fukced 3. while ulting, u get revealed, so enemy mid and/or jgl could kill u while ur away from tower and looking at bot 4. Xerath ult is really hard to hit when the enemies can walk freely, so i have to tell my botlane to engage a fight without them inting, just so i can hit more than 1 of my only 3 shots
@SousaVasco2 жыл бұрын
@@axb_zero8457 Thanks, do you recommend xerath, despite these downsides?
@axb_zero84572 жыл бұрын
@@SousaVasco i like playing him vs other mages, assasin matchups can be hard, but enemy jgl is especially annoying, i would use him as a 2nd pick, that u pick into smth like viktor, corki, cassio, Azir, orianna, syndra, malz, annie, veigar, ziggs Xerath is good vs all those, against smth like zed, fizz, yone, leblanc, ahri, irelia... i wouldnt pick him, but main another champ
@Joel3D12 жыл бұрын
turn the freaking volum up
@Olumedia2 жыл бұрын
great video dude! Solid research and edits
@prozaq77162 жыл бұрын
Thank you!
@greteanderson-gehrke89842 жыл бұрын
playing support for my first season, the teams are so fucking bad in soloq. hlf of them have someone who start inting or leaves the game. there are people coming to ranked "oh im trying this champ for the first time". we literally got midlaner yesterday who started the game with "will ff at 15 as i will leave". as a supp who heals/roots you cant do shit, if the team doesnt follow through with the damage. support is easy when a team works together, in elo hell where everyone is just chaotic, it is very fucking difficult. i have adcs in lane dancing instead of taking farm or you know, paying attention to the fact that the enemy team is there. support is super reliant to the rest of the team.
@andrexskin2 жыл бұрын
I do agree, as a support in low elo (I'm Silver II) even if I win the lane there's not a lot more you can do, yeah of course you can put the right wards, clear their vision, gank your lanes and all but after these things your team has to make plays as well. It's also hard to roam, if you see an oppotunity to roam a little bit during the laning phase your ADC might start to int because "No supp I'm here alone gg wp" or something like that. Surely if I was better I would've been able to carry more the games, but that's not really the point, the point is that unless you're really snowballing with an high DMG champion, you're always relying a bit on your team as well
@YuYuYuna_2 жыл бұрын
Support is reliant on your team but that doesn't mean support is helpless or is unable to do anything. Support can easily solo win bot for their ADC in most games. Yes if your ADC just afk stands there drooling on themselves you'll have a hard time but even mediocre ADCs can be carried through lane if you are even just an average support player. Support is very much a "leader" role, you have to do a LOT of micro management of your team. For example pinging roams, going to ward at timings that won't screw over your ADC and pinging them to play safe while you do so, warding locations that are relevant to the enemy JG champ i.e. warding gromp/krugs vs evelynn or warding pixel/near pixel vs shaco or zac. Roaming mid off reset while looking for a play, watching all lanes with your camera to see what summoners/abilities/ults are used, understanding where the enemy could have vision and sweeping, etc. There is so much that a support can do to solo carry games that most support mains don't do because they undervalue them or think those things are pointless because "my teams feed anyways" when in reality you'll find that by and large if you do all those things and ping well/ping a LOT (not just 1 danger ping or assist ping) that majority of the time your teammates will listen and will recognize that you care and will be more likely to listen to you as the game goes on. A massive part of solo queue as support is about building confidence from your team in you. Support is reliant on your team at the end of the day to kill the nexus but your job as a support is to micro manage and facilitate conditions to where your teams in the majority of your games can get ahead and play smart. Ping people off of walking up in a situation where you know drag is almost spawning and they have a nocturne, etc. Lots of situations where supports just think they can't do anything but that's your job, if you don't like babysitting your team every game and pinging/warding and shotcalling then don't play support. Those are the strengths of support and are the reasons why ADCs bitch and moan about their supports because a good or even average support can solo win mid + bot + jg for their team through good map awareness, warding and micro managing.
@greteanderson-gehrke89842 жыл бұрын
@@YuYuYuna_ thats exactly what makes it difficult. you have to sweat your ass and everything else off which doesnt mean, that anyone is gonna listen or react, rather than turn pings off, cause its "annoying". if adc and team dont build up dmg, then there is no dmg. ofc as lux or smth u have your own damage to use, but as soraka for example, no damage.
@blackshinkuu523510 ай бұрын
The argument that support is the easiest role, only apply to gold and up. Before that jungler or mid is easier. Cause for support to be the easiest the team at least need to have some brain capacity which is none existent in silver or lower. I have two accounts one that goes up and down between bronze 2 till silver 3. Another fresh account where I got plat 2 with no struggles almost plat 1. Both accounts I main support. So yes in gold and up support is easy but below that I disagree. I switched to jungler on my other account and is almost gold now silver 2 in the moment.
@moebino26856 ай бұрын
@@blackshinkuu5235 support is the easiest role to climb Tyler1 already proved that which climbing out of silver in record time and reaching challenger with the lowest amount of games compared to other roles, support players just like to cope a lot.
@zedster41402 жыл бұрын
good video you should make a "the easiest role to throw the game with in league of legends" that would be a nice watch
@UnholyCamouflage2 жыл бұрын
jungle
@SuzukiChen2 жыл бұрын
tyler 1 said supp is easiest and I agree as a supp player with him xd (and just compare numbers of games mid and supps usually have) and on mid, you can't really pick anything you like- you have to pick depending on your team and counter-picks from your opponent and you HAVE to have a huge pull of champions, cause there are scenarios when you have to much AP - gwen or akali top, brand/seraphine/anything ap supp, maybe your jg is Elise onetrick? or you have viegar/karthus bot, or another way around - lee/talon/xin jg, regular adc, pyke/panth/thresh/tanky supp that does ad damage or no damage at all, urgot/trynda top, and sometimes you have to pick something like ori even tho you KNOW.. you just KNOW that this lane will suck, but if you don't pick it: your team won't have any damage mid-late vs enemy top/jg and maybe even supp, and you KNOW that you will probably get dove by enemy Kayn or Lee, but you cant push for the same reason.. you coounter-picked, jg always have eyes on you, winning bot can easily roam mid, same with top, especially if their top decided that they want that particular dragon. If you sit back, your opponent WILL roam and WILL kill some1 cause they have lvl advantage and usually play high-burst champions, and sometimes you can't even stop them, cause their jg will freeze/push the lane for them, or they are waiting for you to follow them. And if you stuck there like this you just can't play the game. Mid is a weird place kinda like top, but more of a busy street where any1 can walk and fuck you up- bot, top, jg, supp, wave management, objective/scuttle prio, random ashe arrow, or ez ult, your supp or bot roaming, your jg taking taxes, enemy jg invading.. yes it's the shortest lane, but that means if you ARE behind you WILL be put behind super down bad (2lvls usually, in some bad cases 3 lvls and at this point there is no hope and you have to pray that your other laners are gods). Yes on the other hand you can get help and can get ahead, but it's totally harder than supp.. list is: Top, ADC, Jg, Mid, Supp from my point of view (I played jg, played mid, but I switched to supp cause I climb faster with it xd ..rn trying out adc and its kinda hell, most likely won't bring it to ranked) About you saying adc's "glass cannon".. ADCs are not really cannons, but Gatling-guns, that usually need a little bit of vined-up to start dishing out big numbers (like lethal tempo stuck up, pta procs etc). "Glass cannon"- is something that is made of "glass", but hits hard with everything they do and usually do damage per hit (dph) and in most games, league included, its mages- LB, Brand, Vel, Xerath. Take other games for example- overwatch, there are no mages, but there are champs like Hanzo or Widowmaker that play the role of "snipers" that can 1tap mostly any other character doing dph. And champs like Tracer, Soldier76, McCree (now Cole Cassidy, after blizz shit-show), that have guns too, but it's assault rifles, revolvers, and other high fire-rate weapons that they use during running around closer to the fight and do a lot of damage per second (dps). Same with MMO's- mages cast spells that do a lot of damage per-cast, while classes like marksmen/hunters/gunners/archers do dps. (even tho there are classes that are in-between like warlocks/summoners that do dps by stacking up spells that do damage-over-time or summon demons/minions to do dps, LOL have something like that in Heimer/Zyra/Malz I guess)
@andrewdroid12 жыл бұрын
Everything you just mentioned why mid is harder is also a downside of adc and supp too. There are matchups, people always come to your lane cause early drake prio is essential, etc. And when he said you can pick whatever you want he didn't mean you don't really need to consider matchup at all, he meant that mid has the largest variety of viable picks, you can say any role and there will be a viable champ for mid in that role. And you really forget how fucked you are if your team is just dogshit as a support(not a mage, but an actual support).
@minndao84982 жыл бұрын
yea try to play supp when your adc is 0-7 vayne, bot lane is heavily depend on the matchup, your teammate skill and junglers, you can be the god tier adc/sp but if your jungler or the other one is bad then bye bye elo, even if you dominated bot lane but the other laner is feeding then there's hardly a chance for you to carry the game if enemy have tanks/assassin or both
@SuzukiChen2 жыл бұрын
@@minndao8498 when your adc 0/7 means your adc sucks and you can leave him solo farming xp bot already if he is 0/2 (so he has at least lvls) and make an impact on mid/top/jg.. if you cant 2v2 on bot- go mid, assist ping jg to go dive mid 3v1, go herald, make enemy top back off from gold and xp, ward enemy jg, back to mid, maybe cause you were 2 times on mid, enemy mid has to back, ping your mid/jg go 4v2 or 4v3 (3v2 3v3 also works cause enemy bot+jg can't really fight mid+jg+supp) bot... supp has so many options to do something, even if you play yuumi, while stuff like blitz/thresh/naut/pyke/rakhan is just unfair and can make look good even brain-damaged lee, that can't hit a single Q
@minndao84982 жыл бұрын
@@SuzukiChen i always do that but that usually ended up by my adc keep feeding and lose turret to turret
@tysonla181 Жыл бұрын
@@SuzukiChen rank💀💀💀
@ziggsnr16832 жыл бұрын
;D ngl gave me a good laugh! listen up pleb! for solo pisslow Q: 1. Jungle (global impact, highest skill scealing due to decisionmaking process, varity of paths, can take broad spectrum of functions (splitter, burst assasin, tank), controlling early pressure on map, controlling obj etc.), tracking enemy jungler, etc. 2. Mid depends on meta picks (assasin meta etc.), means frequent trades, high awareness of trading patterns, good understanding of wavemanipulation, due to meta high understanding of macro decissions (assasin meta, control mage meta etc. ), controlling scuttle fights with lane prio, able to invade and support jungler 3. Top high knowledge of wavemanagement!!!, knowledge of micro (1v1 ) lane "mostly" 4. Supp can roam, sets up vision playmaker in botlane (morg, alistar, leona, naut etc.) high dps or tankpicks, knowledge of cd timer and abilitys indepth of support role and adc. 5. Adc late game insurance, knowledge of cd timer and abilitys indepth of support role and adc everything above d2-d1 1. Jungle 2. Mid 3. Supp 4.Top 5. Adc
@axb_zero84572 жыл бұрын
is that ur list for how easy the roles are to play or to climb?
@ziggsnr16832 жыл бұрын
dear AxB_zero my ranking shows which roles in league of legends are the best for climbing, when executed properly!!
@shikikankillzone42392 жыл бұрын
The support roaming timings are just so true Was Pyke with Draven into a Caitlyn and Morg and when I noticed that I couldn't get a good lead by conventional means, I just roamed as my ADC farmed safely under tower or we turbo pushed after pressuring Caitlyn a bit. Then my ADC could back or get a camp while I went mid to get our Talon a few kills against Sylas. I got 2 kills for Talon because the enemy jungler tried a counter gank, helped Talon push, went top and forced Sett to back Then went back for a dragon and vision with Draven and Amumu and we got a free drag because we had pressure mid and Caitlyn was behind, farming from safety. Everytime Morg left the lane, I pinged her MIA and we killed the Caitlyn or zoned her Then at the end of the game, Morg's all pissy like: "Report my mid and ADC, didn't do Jack shit and for wasting my time after spamming me". And I'm like; "Dude, you fucking suck as a support, what did you expect? For them to NOT ping you? An autistic person with dyslexia playing Osu has better timing than you do"
@lightdk632111 ай бұрын
In the current season 13, I think the ranking is Sup>JG>mid>top>adc. Sup has the easiest fundamentals to learn and the mechanics to back it up. A good support can also make the jungler and adc/mid's job super easy.
@dindi698610 ай бұрын
lol adc weakest, i bet ur stuck in max gold xd
@lightdk63214 ай бұрын
@@dindi6986I'm masters mid and jungle with a champ pool of 30 champions. Bet you're low elo
@user-px1km6xu6vАй бұрын
Lol! Support does not have the easiest fundamentals to learn. To be good at support you need to learn the fundamentals of all positions. Wave management, jungle tracking, lane matchups, recall and roam timings, lane priorities, objectives feasibility for the entire team. You can't support a role in the team if you don't understand that roles fundamentals. Not to mention next to the jungler support has the most agency in the game. It may be one of the easier roles to climb with, but in contrast it is one of the hardest roles to be great at.
@charlesmunoz55222 жыл бұрын
btw you can e super far with zeri from fountain and get a consistently faster walk back to lane
@drewferguson83242 жыл бұрын
Someone also mentioned roaming from bot as a method of obtaining a lead. Rather than get creative to solve the situation ppl just complain. There’s a reason why low elo players are the same low elo players for 10 seasons.
@bruhkan4572 жыл бұрын
Some people stuck in low elo for years don't stop to think that maybe they are the issue
@Aunubus692 жыл бұрын
MId is the most camped lane in all of league, gets roamed on by top and sup and is heavily relied on their jungle to influence the game for them in a meaningful manner. Other wise it becomes a champ dif just like top lane.
@JEAFlashSword2 жыл бұрын
true
@xertul28652 жыл бұрын
This vid isnt about easiest to play Its about easiest to climb with
@axb_zero84572 жыл бұрын
@@xertul2865 yea and mid is hard to climb with, since u cant play normally, whenever u walk out of tower as control mage, sup or jgl will just camp there, shut u down and enemy mid can kill u (tank sups and jgl, especially the ones with not much counterplay: Vi, Warwick, Zac, Udyr, Heca, Skarner...) so u have to play some chaotic mid like Kata, Irelia... AND have ur jgl to skirmish around u to climb easily, so yea, with these champs its pretty easy (when u can play them), but with mages its hard
@cn95952 жыл бұрын
Cry me a river
@AJ_008502 жыл бұрын
@@axb_zero8457 Why do you walk out of tower as control mages? Such as Anivia, Oriana, Malzahar. The fact is when ADCs are played in mid lane just like how control mages are played in bot lane, they like to sit in lane all day. They be chillin' and grow big and strong. Kata and Irelia, renekton are all just opponent dependent. The point is that mid lane is not the hardest lane in league to impact win condition. Faker would disagree with "Mid lane so CAMPED! no way climbable uwu"
@ollep0lle2 жыл бұрын
raise the volume
@uncletrashero2 жыл бұрын
"hWAAAHT?! I CANT HEAR YOU! ;P
@kosmique2 жыл бұрын
I can't hear a single word.
@deplann53602 жыл бұрын
top until you get around diamond then support is super braindead easy to climb
@nathanboehringer15342 жыл бұрын
League asmr
@Psychonola2 жыл бұрын
literally so hard to hear him
@prohugangaming33392 жыл бұрын
Can I like a video several times? Great vid mate
@spub10312 жыл бұрын
I'm a jgl main so I mean disrespect here. Jgl should've been paced top because you have all the agency. In bot/sup you have to share xp and are reliant on each other, top is the most counter-pick role in the game, and mid is the only one I can see being over mid. Jgl however can carry the game through objs and helping laners and while the role is difficult it is easiest to climb imo
@CodenameChristmas2 жыл бұрын
Also doesnt help when your team doesnt go in for ganks, doesnt want to help with early drags, so you end up falling behind and being a non factor. In theory jungle is the one that relies on his team the least but that theory quickly gets disproven when you have a braindead team in their own world
@bankroll4416 Жыл бұрын
Jgl is EZ
@spub1031 Жыл бұрын
@@bankroll4416 it's ok to be wrong
@bankroll4416 Жыл бұрын
@@spub1031 1v1 me jg only summoner
@spub1031 Жыл бұрын
@@bankroll4416 tell me you're wrong without telling me you're wrong
@nameless4582 жыл бұрын
Every lane is practically vulnerable to dives, every day I get dove by a jungler with herald in top and mid gets visits from supports all the time, why is getting dove an adc exclusivity? Also how do adcs have no defence options?There is core:shieldbow, GA, Bloodthirster and situational:mercurial, wits end, d-dance,maw. Lastly at 3:30 you impied that adcs cant carry unless the game drags to 45 min, and I wonder if we even play the same game.Unless you mean that adcs cant 1v5 in a sidelane while smashing turrets in which case I will admit that most marksmen cannot do that since most of them are designed to thrive in teamfights, but we cant have it all can we?
@YuYuYuna_2 жыл бұрын
Sure man, you build shield bow GA BT and lets see how much damage you do. I'll tell you already, you'll do negative damage. (edit)-- also, if you are vs any AD assassin they'll just build serpents fang and your mythic item is now worthless. -- If you played ADC you would know how awful it feels to have to itemize into defensive options most of the time. Yes BT is a good item AFTER you have at least 2 core items like Gale rapidfire or Kraken rapidfire/PD/IE. And no the point he was making about ADC is that the role is designed to be a mid/late game carry. Adversely it is the early game that matters most in League and especially in solo queue where people don't cooperate nor do they often try to.
@TheScantraaxx2 жыл бұрын
has to be jungle right??
@rogermagnusson8877 Жыл бұрын
There seems to be a lot of people who confuse a roll beeing easy to play with a roll beeing easy to climb with. There is no doubt that Support is the easiest roll to play, mechanically. But it is fairly obvious aswell that playing the lowest damage, squishiest champions in the game, with less gold, xp and itemslots than other rolls, probably wont be the strongest way to climb. Also, winning botlane most of the time does not carry over to win the game, because getting the worst carry in the game (the ADC) fed, dosent really have much impact anyway. Top, on the other hand, might be much harder to play and win your lane, its the closest to a true 1v1 in the game and not everyone is cut out for that kind of competetive environment; but if you do win you are set to carry the entire game. And if you dont win your lane, dont expect to climb the ladder; carrying your own weight is a requirement for any discussion like this. In low ELO, wich are usually decided by some champion snowballing and 1v9ing, the strengths of the support just isnt as useful. Makro isnt as effective because team isnt coordinated. Vision isnt as effective because nobody knows how to use it efficiantly. Adding stats to a champion comparable to two extra items or so, is only effective if that player can carry; and as you say in the video; ADCs have the worst carrypotential in the game. In my experience this changes as you climb; at mid gold and above (EUW) , more often than not i feel that my team benefits from the above mentioned strengths of the support. So I would say that from low gold and below, TOP is the easier roll and ADC/SUP is the hardest. Around gold it starts to change, TOPs usually dont get to roll the entire team just because their champs are cancer, and the team start using the advantages a good support can bring. So from there on, sup actually gets easier, higher elo means its (relatively) easier to play sup than other rolls. Heres a few questions for you low ELO players: How many times have you seen a top snowball and carry the game 1 v 9? How many times have you seen a support snowball and carry the game 1v9? Be honest; Would you rather have a 10/2 Atrox, Jax, Morde, Fiora, Irellia whoever, or a 10/2 Zyra, Sona, Pyke or any sup of your choice in your team? If you where a high level player ranking up accounts to sell, what roll would you play? You wouldnt play support because its not an efficient way to climb. Snowballing from top though? For sure.
@revivedsoul1099 Жыл бұрын
You are correct. Support is the easiest role. It starts off especially to be the most impactful after P4 or D4+.. Support don't are not as punished as the other roles. Bot lost? Go mid or top with mobies, like Corejj (respect to him, he is great). Go with jgl or ward enemy jgl. Support can essentially can impact 4 roles without much punishment. Top and Jgl is hardest role. Mid you have to macro manage invades and objectives. Also easiest lane to gank. There is many variables. If this in pro play, i think hardest is jgl, mid, support, top, adc. Solo q and pro play is to different beast-
@skinnymon1232 жыл бұрын
Adc would be hardest if duo wasnt a thing
@lilpp47912 жыл бұрын
Support
@JP-fm1oz2 жыл бұрын
Disagree. Adc and support are in the same shit sandwich. Both are equally harder to climb compared to other roles
@Kobematt12 Жыл бұрын
INCREASE YOOUUUURRR VOLLLUMMMMMMMMMMEEEEE
@Captain_newo2 жыл бұрын
great video:)) thank you!!!
@nandemoairi2 жыл бұрын
thank you king
@juanmaldonado41932 жыл бұрын
is it me or it has no sound?
@itzjanosbtw15092 жыл бұрын
I know that adc is the hardest, yet i still love playing it and hope that I'm good enough
@relish57812 жыл бұрын
adc is not the hardest lol
@itzjanosbtw15092 жыл бұрын
@@relish5781 it's not hard to play, it's hard to climb
@giocodiruolo91872 жыл бұрын
no audio..
@caseyjones5470 Жыл бұрын
I think JG is 2nd and Support is 3rd imo. Support can’t carry but jungle can more so.
@spongebobsquarepants5896 Жыл бұрын
pyke support can def carry wym
@proph2t2 жыл бұрын
ADC is not the hardest role. Yes, its mechanically demanding but in terms of macro, Top and Jungle are harder.
@jetthehawktft46742 жыл бұрын
Top u just afk split then tp or rotate to the objective
@ZoroVR2 жыл бұрын
did you watch the video? lol
@YuYuYuna_2 жыл бұрын
Delusional Jungle and top lane mains. 90% of top champs can literally 1v9 a game regardless of if the enemy ADC is gigafed or not and especially nowadays with items like hullbreaker goredrinker steraks DD, etc. Jungle literally gets to decide what side of the map and what lanes they want to play towards and your farm is 90% of the time safe for you to pick up outside of invades and your team snagging camps away. Jungle gets to decide what lane they want to get ahead. ADC literally is shackled to a person who you have zero clue if they will have more than 5 functioning brain cells or not and their ability to play lane will determine if you get to pressure in lane. Then on top of that you have to pray to the CEO of Riot Games himself that your top mid and jungle didn't turbo feed their asses off before the mid game otherwise good luck playing ADC vs a fed yi or noc or evelynn or aatrox, etc. etc. Jungle and top at least are solo experiences in ranked. You actually get to make decisions. The most decisions an ADC gets to make early is fishing for autos when the enemy AD goes to CS and dodging abilities and baiting the enemy lane to make mistakes. Doublelift one time on stream mentioned a conversation he had with CoreJJ and Core said "the best an ADC can do is go even in lane, the best a support can do is win lane for their ADC." Top is only hard because of jungle pressure, if your jungle plays to the other side of the map and the enemy jg plays top it is very difficult. But imagine if you had the jungler permanently in your lane and you are literally 1v2. That is how bot lane is for ADC. Your ability to influence the lane is largely dictated by your support. The best an ADC can do with a lazy/low confidence support is try to hold the wave on their side of the map so that they don't fall behind in farm and die to ganks.
@skinnymon1232 жыл бұрын
@@YuYuYuna_ too bad u can just duo bot
@astral90222 жыл бұрын
@@YuYuYuna_ pick Lucian or vayne and it’s free wins. Jg or mid can’t do shit even if they are 10-0 against a vayne lulu duo
@sololeveling73902 жыл бұрын
that discription of midlane😂😂
@axb_zero84572 жыл бұрын
yea true its like when ppl say "just shove and roam", bro Xerath, Viktor, Syndra, Orianna, Vel'koz.... they all cant roam without instantly dying by enemy jgl
@pastorwolf83832 жыл бұрын
Your video neglected the immense problem with trying to climb as sup... you depend completely on your team. You glaze over this, but literally you cannot carry if your teammates are intent on doing bad. Every other lane has potential to "carry". Where is the hyper carry sup? Every other role has hyper carries that can get fed or play well independently if necessary. Support had nothing like that. Top lane can split push and farm till fed. same with with jungle or mid. I have stomped in bot with my adc only to meet unkillable Mid and top laners fed to record levels and still feel helpless. Despite helping my adc go 13/1/6 or something. Support depends largely on their adc/laner. I have had more adc's play like their screen is zoomed in than i can count, can't cs, can't manage waves, zero map awareness, and no objective assistance, yet supports get "free money" from that?? Like what10% of the nothing they earn?? Old mother hubbard ADC went to cupboard and saw that they can't secure a single last hit on champion or minion and the support doggy gets nothing. I have tried to be positive and help lanes behind and roam and ward and ward and ward but jg doesn't want to secure drakes, or ganks. Mid refuses to follower roams, and recalls on roam ganks. Top island farm simulator is full active. I haven't played rank much this season because it really feels hopeless to climb. Moral support and active assistance only boosts, it doesn't carry at lower elo. Maybe adc is as low as sup in difficulty to climb because often they are co-dependent in lane. A bad sup can cripple the lane too, not to mention bot being ignored by your team while you have been ganked 6 times before 15 min. Your video might be outlined correctly for high elo. However in lower lvls, supports can't carry 3v7 games, when 2 of your teammates decide to power feed for 10 mins then try to force early FF's and then afk when they don't get what they want.
@prozaq77162 жыл бұрын
supports sure can carry those games. Its not easy but definitely doable just like every other lane. Its actually easier as a support than an ADC or TOP laner to carry those games becasue you can influence the other lanes without losing cs
@rogermagnusson8877 Жыл бұрын
@@prozaq7716 You can 1v1 any other champion as a top, even if you loose your lane. I bet you that TOP is the only lane where you can loose big yet carry hard because the champs are so broken compared to others, topping tankiness, damage and selfhealing. All you you have to do is to take your 0/4 Olaf, your 2/8 Trynd, your 1/7 irellia, even a freaking 0/10 nasus, dive deep and kill their 30/1 glasscannon ADC or MID. So what if you die in the process? You just won the teamfight. The ONLY challenge you ever have, is the other topplayer, that are equally broken; probably more so since you just fed him. As he said in the OP; neither ADC nor SUP have much agency in low ELO, because both are extremly dependent on the rest of the team (ADC needs peel to get out their consistant damage) , sups needs a team that can actually use your vision, coordinate for objectives and other makro strategies, and carries that benefit from the bonuses they provide. Not particulary common in low ELO, gold and below. Botlane also gets less xp, less gold and supps have one item slot less to use. Just think about if for a second. If you are gonna level up a new account and you get to choose any champ to play; only an idiot would play a support. That would take forever.
@spongebobsquarepants5896 Жыл бұрын
@@rogermagnusson8877 no decent adc is letting an 0-10 nasus kill them cuz they know even if he is 0-10 the nasus can still kill them if they are in a bad position
@Lionhart19918 ай бұрын
This, in low elo it's "i play a mage that can do damage from a safe position and take kills to help carry this thing" or "suffer and babysit bad teammates" i played 80+ champions in low elo, i know a thing or two. The most high win rate i have is with Shaco, 90% win rate bc in low elo they just don't f know how to play around him
@destructive_thoughts_2 жыл бұрын
You have to be insanely bad to not climb as a support. You have so many options and you dont have to worry about farming or pressuring waves, you have way more time than other roles to look at the map, and you have wards to avoid making mistakes or to prevent your teamates to do so, if your adc is bad you can permaroam all game and making your other lanes gain a lead, specially in Low Elo where everyone is affraid to dive a lonely adc so they can farm safely under turret.
@littlefinger45092 жыл бұрын
You have to be insanely bad to not climb*
@shgalagalaa2 жыл бұрын
@@littlefinger4509 yeah those hard stuck challenger players sure are shit
@Lionhart19918 ай бұрын
What the f are you talking about? You don't have to cs but you still need to auto or damage the wave to prevent x scenarios or to build theme and you need to start doing it from lv1 or i guess you don't like lv2 prio uh? Also, do you not help your adc to farm by AA in syncro? You need to always see early the damage of your adc auto, if he takes 2 auto to finish a minion (bc he lives with 1 hp) he will lose it or he will be more at risk to be poked and you can help him to ensure he will not waste 1 auto to deal 2 hp damage. Go study bakeiarooo, you know nothing on this role
@jugganot1012 жыл бұрын
This guy doesnt play jungle
@YuYuYuna_2 жыл бұрын
Jungle is a knowledge based role, not a mechanical one. That is why it is higher on the list than ADC and top. If you know how to path intelligently and cycle your camps while understanding enemy jungle champ pathing patterns and what lanes in each game are easier/better to play around you'll win more games than you lose ones. ADC and top are harder because ADC relies largely on your support to be able to gain leads/play lane and top is a side lane just like bot so wave management and understanding of jungler position and good warding matters a LOT.
@CF_Royalty2 жыл бұрын
This tierlist literally made 0 sense. Jungle and sup are the strongest lanes, jungle is the hardest, then top and adc. Support is by far the easiest. And midlane cant really be set into difficulty since it is such a versitile role to the point where the champion you play makes up almost 100% of the descision how hard your play is and not the role. For example take the difference between playing annie mid or katarina mid in high elo. The difference is legit night and die. And No im not a jungle main that role simply has the by far the hardest macro, but in regard the champions are mostly easy or medium.
@swolegolisopod73402 жыл бұрын
???? Jungle may be the most difficult role macro wise but it's so much easier to climb as a competent jg compared to a competent adc since you can actually impact the map and have early game agency if you're not playing shyvana
@obamagaming94562 жыл бұрын
Did you intentionally name your channel after an antidepressant?
@drewferguson83242 жыл бұрын
Problem is you’re only talking about the RESULT of decisions made in the early game. If you play the first few levels like shit then OBVIOUSLY a competent draven Leona will build waves into you for dives. You only address the result and none of the cause. Pushed under tower all game? Maybe learn to thin out waves properly to keep it where you want it. I’m not disagreeing that ADC sucks in solo queue bc it certainly does. These kinds of videos just give lower agency roles even more ammunition to add to their complaining.
@prozaq77162 жыл бұрын
If you think that then I would love to hear your solution to stopping a Draven Leona from getting full wave control in this situation. The way to beat duos that are strong early in the bot lane is to survive. This is a much more difficult task when you have a jungler that does not understand the concept and no coms. yeah, if you're a Master level ADC maybe you just outplay them so hard that the champion difference does not matter but saying "Play better 4head" sort of shows a lack of understanding.
@prozaq77162 жыл бұрын
Just look at TL vs SN in worlds 2020. They have no chance of winning that lane and no tools to stop the Draven Leona botlane from taking full control. Are you saying that Tactical and CoreJJ are bad players?
@andrewdroid12 жыл бұрын
@@prozaq7716 If we are talking about climbing so we are in a lower elo then in the scenario you portrayed you play how you normally would and when leona engages with E the lulu polys draven and you trade with leona, and that's only the worst case scenario, if you position properly and play smart you can still clear the waves without getting engaged on. Like really if we talking plat and below leona with draven is probably the most greedy combo you can get which will make mistakes for easy kills which you can punish heavily with a lulu. Diamond and above is probably a different place with the mentioned matchup, but that is not really the climb cause you are already in the 1%
@YuYuYuna_2 жыл бұрын
People who make excuses will do so anyways, "these kinds of videos" do nothing for them. "Maybe learn to thin out waves" Okay and what if the draven and leona aren't standing 20 miles behind the wave acting afraid of you as Jinx or Miss fortune? You show a massive lack of understanding of how matchups like that work. If you are vs a duo lane that is very strong early you have to play defensively and if they walk forward to deny you from pressuring the wave (trimming it) they can and if you just ignore them they will punish you. Your argument relies heavily on the enemy being dog shit and not knowing how strong their side of the matchup is. If the draven leona aren't standing in front of the wave zoning you while your support is away from lane they are so bad that the argument of matchups is irrelevant because if they can't win lane as draven leona ESPECIALLY when the your team's support is roaming then they deserve to lose. If the enemy has even half a brain and notices that your support is roaming they will zone you and if you dare to walk up the leona has no reason to not just walk at you or even flash E and kill you. So your solution of "just trim the wave LMAO" only works if your enemy laners are horrible.
@revivedsoul1099 Жыл бұрын
Its top, jgl, adc, mid, support. You clearly bias as adc main, support is the least punished role in the game. They can go mid and top with boots, and barely get punished. Also the facts, they dont have to concentrate on last hit and dps to the extent of the other roles. Even Tyler1 said it, after finishing all roles to Challenger. Had to dislike because of bias. Cool topic either way. Play mid, and try to get high elo in EU, KR, CN, NA. Do that again in support. Night and day difference. Mid is the easiest role to gank for a reason, also most coinflip role because its similar to jgl but with minions and enemy added. Since you are closesest to all roles, you need to be aware of invades and objectives. So no its not sunshine, its probably most macro-intensive role alongside jgl. Its better to carry with mid low elo, but higher elo P4+ support is much more easier and impactfull.
@Th3Vampir3Knight2 жыл бұрын
No unplayable matchups in mid? Neeko into Akali.... fight me.
@1handadknifes4542 жыл бұрын
what tf you have no brain i mained both and played that matchup so many times its about skill
@YuYuYuna_2 жыл бұрын
It's a general statement. Most matchups mid are playable, just depends how you play it.
@miguelhincapie2648 Жыл бұрын
most mid matchups are legit a competition of who clean the wave first to make plays
@Th3Vampir3Knight Жыл бұрын
@@miguelhincapie2648 I cannot shove the wave vs akali once she hits 6. Her level 6 is so strong that she can turret dive me with no wave.
@buildawall58032 жыл бұрын
I main mid I can't climb out of bronze after 2000 games I got into plat 1 in wild rift same role?
@Robert-gs6qv2 жыл бұрын
Learn fundamentals. Its so easy to go 5 0 in 15mins as midlaner every rank bellow gold 2. (Euw and eune, most of the games like 80% you can be 5/0 with 130 140 farm and start the snowball. Basicly mid and top are lanes that can let you 1v5 the enemy team. All depends on you but you need to know fundamrntals, wave managment, play 1 champ only, power spike, jungle track, vision, and beeing alwaus ready to kill enemy jungler or roamer in river or jungle without losing xp or farm from mid lane, also secure the herald at 8th min and drake at 6th min is alot important, if you need to buy 10 pinks to track everymovement of jumgler then do it, if support doesnt use lens then you do it, if jungler is weak then go gank with him, mid is the hardest role but also the most impactfull, this is strategy game and most low elo dont understand this, whem you learn the things i said in very dept metod you will start climb but until then you will remain low elo.
@kataban17632 жыл бұрын
SPEAK LOUDER
@ssenkrad672 жыл бұрын
"Botlane is dictared by support"-adc has full wave control and decides how the lane goes. The momentbi saw top 4th i hyst closed the video
@akodam12702 жыл бұрын
Botlane is dictated by supports tho. ADC's can only follow their lead in the early game and farm up when the supp isn't there. Unless the supp is an enchanter. Then he has much less agency but who the hell tries to climb with enchanters.
@rogermagnusson8877 Жыл бұрын
@@akodam1270 Do you know how to wave control as ADC to create the necessary conditions for a hook support to be useful? Or how to wave control to make your poke supports effective? Or how to play to make your enchanters effective? I bet you dont. Because most ADCs just keep AAing the wave like bots; hoping the support will win the lane for them. There are a lot of things ADCS can do to have agency over the lane; in low ELO they are just ignorant of this and blame their support instead.
@marcochavez922 жыл бұрын
wrong 5 Top lane 4 JG 3/2 ADC MID tbh i dont know whos better both roles are strong af, counter picks doesnt really matter here and champs for this role are the most broken ones 1 Sup You are bias if you think adc is the worst lane to climb, Adcs right now dont have any bad item, except maybe for canon, you power spikes come so quick you just really need one item and its really ez to get bc you are in the most contested lane and you play reactive not proactive so you dont need to make plays you just need to punish and bot lane is so hard to impact bc you are 3v2 its not that hard to outplay like 2v1 on mid or top, plus you have double vision chance, even if an adc is feed and you are better on teamfights you can out dps him just by placing yourself better
@YuYuYuna_2 жыл бұрын
Delusional Top and JG mains. Ask any high elo/pro and they will say ADC is the hardest to play in solo queue.
@anthonygayflor81262 жыл бұрын
You must not play ADC then
@marcochavez922 жыл бұрын
@@anthonygayflor8126 i actually prove my point by climbing to diamond 4 with draven solo and my main elo is D1 as top
@anthonygayflor81262 жыл бұрын
@@marcochavez92 that still doesn’t mean adc is the easiest to climb. All the facts suggest it’s the hardest. 4 people in one lane, you share the most farm and slowest to level up, squishy as fuck, and rely on your teammates far too much. If your support sucks well the lane is pretty much lost. No other role compares lol.
@aro43222 жыл бұрын
Top is playable but kinda sad with tp changes, you cant stop your botlaners from going 0/10 every game
@jaal62052 жыл бұрын
i was about to sleep ....how fking boring is this???
@ether65212 жыл бұрын
Lol
@kalenz1002 жыл бұрын
That's just all wrong. The whole discussion of " what's the EASIEST role to climb" doesn't make sense. To climb you don't have to 1v9 hard carrying games. You just have to play better that your opponent in the same role as yours. Literally which role you play doesn't matter. It only matters what is your best role at that point. Let's say you play ADC: Statistically if in 100 games you play better than the enemy ADC in 60 games, you will climb. The proportion is the same for every role you just have to play better than the opponent and statistically you will climb
@prozaq77162 жыл бұрын
I appreciate the input but a role with more agency is going to climb more easily than a role with less agency. If you play better than the enemy ADC in 100 percent of your games you will win less than if you play better than the enemy Mid Laner in 100 percent of your games.
@kalenz1002 жыл бұрын
@@prozaq7716 that's not how proportion works. You consider only your agency, but not the agency of your opponent in the same role. If you go ADC and you play better than enemy adc 60% of your games , in 100, 200, 300 games ( not few games of course because statistics are precise only in a good amount of games) you will have around 60% winrate ( little more or little less depending on small random factors) If you play mid and you play better than enemy mid 60% of your games, according to your argument, you should climb with like 70-80% wr? No, that makes no sense, you will climb exactly the same as the previous case in the ADC position, which means AROUND 60% wr.
@prozaq77162 жыл бұрын
@@kalenz100 Your math here only works in an environment with no outside forces and assuming you are better than the opponent in your lane 100 percent of the time which is unreasonable. Even if you are a high gold player playing in low silver you will run into the occasional smurf. Not to mention the bot lane is affected by multiple other roles in the game. As I address in the video it is these extra factors that make climbing in other lanes more consistent. Yes if you play 1000 games at your best you will climb no matter the circumstances because everything evens out eventually. But that number of games needed gets bigger and bigger the more factors you add into the equation. The whole argument is based around agency in the role, not statistics because most players do not have the time to put in 1000 games every season.
@YuYuYuna_2 жыл бұрын
@@kalenz100 Your math only works if we're talking about a system of ranked where you play against bots with fixed reactions and aggression patterns. You can play better than your enemy bot in 60% of your games, be 2-3k+ up in gold and a level + an item lead and it doesn't matter because the enemy team has giga fed kayn or evelynn or aatrox/any fed top bruiser. You clearly do not understand what agency means at all. If you genuinely believe that performing better than the enemy ADC in 60% of your games will net you a 60% WR you are delusional. It's not a 1v1 game, you're comparing ADC vs ADC agency as if this isn't a team game where your role is but 1 of 5 roles and each role has different points in the game where they are stronger/weaker.
@kalenz1002 жыл бұрын
@@YuYuYuna_ you are all biased, when you say " it doesn't matter if you play better than the enemy ADC because the enemy team has a Fed Evelyn of bruiser top" You never have a Fed top or fed Evelyn in your team also? Apparently that happens ONLY to the enemy team, right? Of course you don't consider or even remember the times when you got carried by a Fed Evelyn or bruiser top, that's a bias. There's a 50% chance you will have a Fed member on YOUR team, and a 50% chance you will have a Fed member on the ENEMY team, the more you play the more accurate this percentage gets. That being said, you are the only CONSTANT factor in all of your games, and if you do more than the average ADC in your same Elo, you will climb. Saying the opposite means you think your matchmaking is being sabotaged by riot which is absurd.
@frosthix30832 жыл бұрын
10:24 if the adc has brain he can just back in that scenario
@prozaq77162 жыл бұрын
But what do you do when they hold the freeze? In a long lane you can permanently freeze a wave if the opponent does not interact with it as long as you have 3 caster minions more pushing into you than pushing into them.
@YuYuYuna_2 жыл бұрын
What a clueless and genuinely silly comment. Okay your ADC backs away and gets zoned off EXP and gold. He falls behind in levels and items and then come mid game or a key skirmish in river is unable to dish out enough damage to be useful. "he can just back" no he can't, and if you as the support are forcing your ADCs into positions like this you are actively griefing your team. ADCs or marksmen champions need gold and exp to scale to the point where they are useful and can be that consistent damage threat in fights. If you're the type of support player who is constantly saying to themselves "why are my ADCs so bad, just back away and wait for the wave to come back to you or wait for me to come back to lane after my roam" then it is YOU who is the reason you lose games, not your ADCs. This just glaringly shows your lack of understanding of roam timers and when is and isn't a good time to roam. If you are putting your ADC in a position to where they cannot farm and are getting zoned you are griefing them and your team because, again, come mid game they will be not as useful as the enemy ADC just purely based on item differences and levels.
@Amaling2 жыл бұрын
Why does everyone not play midlaner is the question. Too much pressure?
@Prebound_2 жыл бұрын
Turrets are to close. Not enough wiggle room. XD
@YuYuYuna_2 жыл бұрын
Preferences. I went from mid to ADC as psychotic as that might sound. I enjoy marksmen champions more than assassins/mages because I came to league from SC2 where I main'd Terran which was a very micro intensive race that required smart positioning and knowing when and where you can attack.
@shgalagalaa2 жыл бұрын
Lanes boring as fuck farmfest meta + you get auto filled a fuck ton + people like playing bruisers / marksmen / enchanters / tanks
@maddiethekiller2 жыл бұрын
if mid is so easy why dont u just stop playing bot and get out of silver? :))
@prozaq77162 жыл бұрын
I have no trouble climbing when I want to. I like the ADC fantasy, it just is not feasible in a lot of games because of how the game is currently balanced :)
@bluebeaver02 жыл бұрын
the fact that u think mid is hard makes me think ur silver urself
@spub10312 жыл бұрын
Ah yes the most picked role in the game is hard. You have access to all the objs with ease and if you fuck up then you have every lane that can roam to help you
@littlefinger45092 жыл бұрын
@@spub1031 I think people confuse "easy" with how strong a lane is, there isn't really any hard or easy role because there is another person in the other team that is doing the same as you, to win you just need to perfom better than the other person so the difficulty changes from game to game.
@shgalagalaa2 жыл бұрын
@@littlefinger4509 If you have a role that literally stands at fountain and has one ability on a 40 second cooldown that gives their team 1k gold. Surely this role would be considered easier than other roles despite the fact that both teams have a player playing this imaginary role. If you agree with the above your original statement is flawed. If you dont you better have a good explanation for how pressing a button every 40 seconds is equally difficult to actually playing the game.
@Riael2 жыл бұрын
Adc being harder to climb than support? Wut, you can literally just afk farm and still win if you manage to scale. Meanwhile if you're support it's pointless if your entire team doesn't know they can cast abilities by pressing the keys on their keyboard. ...wait, WHAT, support second easiest to climb with? I mean if you're playing duo with the jungler I can understand that but duo is about to be removed anyway, and for solo supporting is just hell, it's pointless to play good if the only thing you're able to do is prevent your team from inting it higher. Unless of course you're playing swain or brand but at that point you're not a support you're a mage that has no farm
@shgalagalaa2 жыл бұрын
Sub dia subhuman detected
@Riael2 жыл бұрын
@@shgalagalaa XD tell me you didn't get Internet in your cave without telling me you don't live in a cave
@kosmique2 жыл бұрын
gotta dislike this for having to turn my speakers to max and still not hear a damn word. just no.
@YuYuYuna_2 жыл бұрын
dislikes do nothing on youtube now you clown. If anything you're helping their algorithm by interacting with the video.
@Lionhart19918 ай бұрын
Supp is the hardest role to climb gold and below, jun for me is the most consinstent overall and the one that gives you the most amount of agency to the game, you are very dumb to reallt belive to Tyler