Well said!

Yes but in solid and svelte 5 the extra performance cost is that of a single function call because of runes/signals and the compiler

@@TechBuddy_ Good to know it’s not a problem now in newer frameworks

"for now" 😅

​@@awesome-codingand "now" 😅

Yep, you might be right! Interesting to see that a lot of frameworks are fully updating their reactivity models, while React is doubling down on its dirty checking VDOM based solution. I don't think that's the best decision on React's part.

react has been dead for long lmao you have svelte and vue which are WAY better in terms of everything. react will still be used by majority just like php which explains why popularity and ecosystem shouldn't be the factors for how good a framework is.

@@ValipPowa tell me how a library nearing a billion downloads is dead 🤔

​@@theklr it's user's hate it. No one uses it by choice 😂

@@HonkletonDonkleton still doesn’t mean it’s dead. People have been declaring Wordpress, php, and even jquery’s death and yet…

Have you tried TW v4 yet? It's so dope

Haha!

Some of us are still making a living thanks to Java 6!

​@@awesome-codingmaybe better be dead than use Java 😅

@@QueeeeenZ everybody has a price!

skill issue. used react, svelte, vue, it's all the same slop. if you can't create something substantial that you couldn't technically do before, it doesnt really matter. react has ecosystem and it's the most important thing for any library. if tomorrow svelte has a bigger ecosystem, ill use that. i'd actually use solid over any of them tbh.

@@ThePandaGuitar Vue and Nuxt also have great ecosystem and much better DX than react. I think DX is just as big a factor as the ecosystem.

Nice! I didn’t know this one

😂✌️

Try it and then think....

Yup. In so many ways, Svelte has just been a knock off of Vue backed by vercel. I think many people that love svelte just never tried vue.

I don't know exactly, but maybe the snippets are just like 'copy & paste,' whereas using a component involves maintaining an entire instance of a reactive component to keep track of

Yeah, cos the "BIG BOYS" don't change at all :D I would argue Svelte changed the least compared to any other framework :D React = classes -> functional -> hooks -> ssr -> new compiler with no hooks :D

@mpiorowski Same with Angular :D Angular JS -> Angular -> New Rendering engine -> Zone JS -> Signals -> Built-in control flow and so on. Vue had: Vue 1, Vue 2, Vue 3 - All major overhauls, and now the Composition API for function components and Vue Vapor to ditch the VDOM. It's a sh*t show everywhere, pardon my French.

@@awesome-coding I never used Angular, but I used React and Vue. I can pull my 4 year old repos and update the latest Vue and React with no changes. I can't do That with my Svelte repos. I don't use Nextjs outside of work for the same reasons, they are still evolving and I don't have time to keep up.

@@mpiorowski but React can run 10 year old code even now. their backward compatibility is something why companies prefer to use it.

No 5?

@@awesome-coding whoops, I meant to write Svelte 4 life, not Svelte 4 for life 😅

@@iDarthGigi Haha! I thought you just decided to stick with Svelte 4 no matter what.

@@awesome-coding tbh idk, I don’t like some of the syntax changes in svelte 5, they’re confusing me. But I think if I take my time and learn all the new stuff, that I will like it actually.

Rich Harris (the creator of Svelte) addressed migration in detail, and he outlined that this is one of their main priorities. So I believe we can expect a smooth transition.

V4 components are backwards compatible, so you should be able to update and everything continue to work.. however, you can't mix v5 with v4 code (within the same file). I've been updating my UI lib And I would say the hardest thing to get used to is the replacement of with {#snippet} and {@render}

you and me both!😅

It's SvelteKit over NextJS not Svelte over NextJS and yes I don't know why

@@thecoolnewsguy Its more intuitive and preformat

i don't know man Svelte is something everyone praises but no one seems to be using! React & Angular is dominating the job market so i'm going to stick to that. if Svelte becomes a thing in job market then i have no problem learning it

@@statuschannel8572 Correct 💯% !

NextJs is bullsh*t

Hey! You can reach out to me at hi@awesome.club

@@awesome-coding thanks, i''ll reach out in a couple weeks because i have to finish the website/docs

Yes, I believe it is. Feel free to reach out via email or X if you need any guidance :)

For people without experience it's always better to go with a more mature ecosystem, go with react, you will find more ready to use solutions, libraries, instructions etc.

@@valentinsaik6754 This is an interesting take. However, I feel like React is really tough for newcomers these days. It is mixed more and more with Next JS, and it is built on top of A LOT of complexity.

@@awesome-codingdo you happen to know a good svelte kit tutorial with svelte 5 for creating a landing page and interaction with an API backend? Starting from 0 web dev knowledge

Just the way I like it.

@@awesome-coding I don't like huge components with a lot of logic, it's difficult to maintain and this one more method to do it. But of course it can save your time or improve DX for lists for example, where you wanna avoid to create item component that should be used in several cycles

@@snatvb I agree! However, it seems like I'm always ending up in projects where thousand line components are pretty much the norm 🤦‍♂ It must be a "me" problem..

@@awesome-coding :D I had same problem, but I am tech lead and changed the problem) only in 2-3 old components exists this issue

Well if you’re sincere, I can respect that sentiment! At least you did not post that your sticking with react and how wonderful it is and that everyone is using it because it’s the bestest framework in the whole world because you know, Facebook uses it.

You should use my "Not a Framework" framework then ✌️ github.com/awesome-club/not-a-framework

​@@awesome-coding that's very similar to vuejs 😅

plain js using a small external library here and there called React

Dude you crazy lmao. Who would want to createElement('div'), appendChild() everywhere 🤣🤣?

like, with new improvs in react, what will be the "benefit" of using svelte?

A more efficient reactive system (signal based instead of dirty checking) and no VDOM overhead. So basically a much liter, more efficient client implementation

“There are only two kinds of languages: the ones people complain about and the ones nobody uses.”

i've used it in production for many startups and it's so much nicer. you don't need the ecosystem that react has because it's easier to build things from scratch.

I would argue we had another leap with Svelte and Solid, where we dumped Dirty checking and the Virtual DOM, basically removing an entire layer of complexity from web apps.

rooks

What do you mean? I believe they are pretty far apart.

@@awesome-coding they have introduced states, effects and other thing similar to react hooks?

@@suryaprakash-sh5bf They are still widely different in how you would use them .

@@suryaprakash-sh5bf Ah, got it. To be fair, yes React introduced the concept of state and effects in the current "hook like" form. However, these were concepts present in all frameworks more or less for the past 15 years. I believe Svelte is just aligning themselves with the concepts everybody accepts as the status quo at this point (Angular, Vue, Solid and others, all have some sort of state, derived and effect variation)

No it hasn't

Yep…

If you are referring to runes, you are right. However, Runes are opt in, so you can still use the compiler based reactivity instead (that's pretty much Vanilla JS)

😂 you guys find a way to hate on anything.

not really. vue 3 was launched after svelte was born. so, maybe vue was copying some things from svelte, like a compile step. listen to some interviews from both creators, and see how they respect each other and get inspired from their frameworks. they don't spread hate like some people here

@@awesome-coding ;)

Except is better

@@awesome-coding vercel is not a minor factor. They are fast approaching being full on anti-developer and i have no problem being critical of them