The effect of varying concentrations of peroxide on comic book stains

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Immaculate Comics

Immaculate Comics

Жыл бұрын

In this experiment, we add peroxide concentrations from 30% to 0% to similar stains on a comic book under 435nm light and make some observations

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@macedonboy
@macedonboy Жыл бұрын
Another excellent and informative experiment. I did think 30% was overkill, I would've thought that would bleach out the colour even without the blue light.
@danfoley2442
@danfoley2442 Жыл бұрын
Yes, similar experimentation on a yellowed book would be helpful!
@Toggly
@Toggly 10 ай бұрын
Another awesome video. You're killing it!!! When I started the hobby years ago, just the act of collecting comics made me a nerd... With these science experiments, you my friend, have taken nerds to the next level!!! If you do run more tests, I'd love to see how various concentrations of peroxide affect the inside pages.... Also, a cool test might be taking one concentration, like the 6%, applying a long strip of it, and then seeing how different lengths of time under the light affect the outcome (basically not letting the entire strip hit the UV light (kinda like how we used to try different exposures in a home B/W darkroom lab with the enlarger.
@ImmaculateComics
@ImmaculateComics 10 ай бұрын
Actually that is a good idea. I think I will do something like that. Thanks for the idea!!!
@RonJibs
@RonJibs Жыл бұрын
Keep up the good work Rick! Always love the vids
@ImmaculateComics
@ImmaculateComics Жыл бұрын
Appreciate it!
@jayhays8267
@jayhays8267 Жыл бұрын
I was thinking since you are using a sacrificial comic book, to cut the areas with foxing into squares. This way the test areas a independent from each other and there aren't any cross contamination.
@ImmaculateComics
@ImmaculateComics Жыл бұрын
That would have been a smarter approach!
@albertomoreno3586
@albertomoreno3586 2 ай бұрын
Hobby hero presses the books with a soaked sheet in the press his results are amazing
@idleivey
@idleivey Жыл бұрын
Interesting stuff as always Rick. Right now I'm sticking with a 6% peroxide solution and have been having great results. I have also been playing with a mild bleaching agent Chloramine T trihydrate (12gms with 250mls TAP water) which has also been yielding positive results. Have you playing around at all with Chloramine T? I'd be interested to hear your thoughts, Thanks for the video!
@acesontilt77
@acesontilt77 Жыл бұрын
I am deeply involved in the world of comic cleaning and pressing. You have taught me numerous valuable lessons through the years. I am a big fan of immacuclean and your entire scientific approach to everything. So thank you again for all you do. I leave with this thought. I made a post on CGC forums about this exact subject just over a week ago. I was attacked by every booger eater who could type and verbally assaulted and called every name in the book for posting my thoughts on the matter. I gathered 7 or so pages of results and found only 20 or so people who actually cared soo deeply about chemicals being used they thought I was the devil incarnate! Do you get this kind of hate regularly?
@ImmaculateComics
@ImmaculateComics Жыл бұрын
Gosh thank so much for the kinds words. I appreciate the dialogue. Im sorry you have to endure the attacks. I had been cleaning and pressing comic books for decades before I started posting videos about 3-4 years ago. At the time it was just one of the types of videos I posted and I only have 6 followers for quite a while. I was stunned by both the love and support and by the hate and vitriol I received. One person (who is also has a pressing and cleaning channel on KZfaq and IG) even told me that my son; Nolan, doesn't deserve to live. I never respond to the hate as it's often much of the reward these type of people seek. I welcome challenging views and discussion and I always have room to learn and grown, so I am not talking about differing opinions. However any posts with specific aggressive keywords never even make it on my channel or are deleted immediately. You'll also never hear me put down any specific person on my channel. That's not for me and I don't support it and won't abide it. This industry supports tribalism and the knowledge base of people who are seen to be special or knowledgeable in some ways. This is exacerbated because of the money involved and because of CGCs seemingly capricious and nearly random assignment of purple labels to cleaned books. Recently CGC seems to have changed their policy and the methods on cleaning comics. Whereas I believe they specifically state that subtractive methods are not considered restoration, there are dozens of reports of people sending cleaned books (even just dry cleaned) and receiving purple labels. Even more mystifying is that several books cleaned that same way may or may not received a purple label. This appears to be a recent change with CGC but I cannot confirm it. Additionally some people who use my products have reported no purple labels at all over dozens of submissions while others have reported mixed populations. Is that a difference in the person going the cleaning or the person doing the grading? I don't know. It's difficult to track. I blame CGC for this mania. Their grading system is presented as a reporting system for the desirability of a book, and instead it is setting the desirability of a book. It's the Michelin star rating problem but for comic books. A five-star hotel is supposed to be one that reports how nice the hotel is and how not people want to stay there, but but now an assignment of 5 stars *sets* how much people want to stay there. CGC has now created a system in which most collectors prefer a soiled and contaminated book over a clean and visually appealing one is it bears a purple label. People are never reading these books if they are encapsulated and they cannot even see 90% of it. So much of what they are actually buying is a look at the cover and that CGC label. If the cover looks appealing but the label isn't appealing then that's a discrepancy. I think more people might prefer a blue-label high-grade on a book that looks crappy than vice versa and that's seems not right to me. Two years ago I submitted two copies of ASM 41 to CGC. One was a 3.5 and the other was a 7.0 but cdc swapped them and put them in the wrong capsules on accident. I didn't sell them but I did offer them up through a local shop just to see how much the label mattered. Universally, each person was willing to spend more money to buy the 3.5 in the 7.0 case than vice versa. People were very eager to pay $400 more for a lower condition book just because of that label and the conditions were obviously different. It's mind boggling, truly.
@jayhays8267
@jayhays8267 Жыл бұрын
@@ImmaculateComics I have never submitted a book to CGC but have followed some of the complaints people have with them. One is issuing a purple label for cleaned and pressed books. This is strange to me because they offer cleaning and pressing themselves! Does that mean every book they clean and press gets a purple label? Of course not!
@ImmaculateComics
@ImmaculateComics Жыл бұрын
@@jayhays8267 thafs a good question. One thought is does the person buying the book need to know the history of the book and how it's been cleaned. That's a tough question because I would think the answer should be that they should. However that practical application is impossible. It also isn't a favor to anyone to qualify all cleaning as having the same level of detriment = a purple label of death. I'm not sure what the best approach is.
@KollectingKaos
@KollectingKaos Жыл бұрын
@@ImmaculateComics What I am waiting to see is that innocent person that has had a comic since the mid sixties carefully stored away because it was his treasured possession and has never been cleaned or pressed but looks nearly perfect get a purple label from CGC, because the book is TO CLEAN!
@KollectingKaos
@KollectingKaos Жыл бұрын
While I always do trust your scientific method, I still have some misgivings about using any form of chemical with acidic properties on comics that as we all know are already prone to have have acids by the way the paper was made. I do find it interesting that this the water gave almost as good of results as the other solutions in the first test and do believe that more testing would be needed. From my earliest days of collecting many decades ago the two things that were always feared the most was Ultraviolet Radiation and the accumulation of acids in the paper. Now those two items are being combined together to make old books look new again. To be honest though I think there are way to many people that take the process to excess with the idea that Whiter is better, when the reality is that cleaning until it looks natural is always the best way.
@ImmaculateComics
@ImmaculateComics Жыл бұрын
I definitely agree with you in many ways! Too white is not for me. When I was in college I worked two Summers at a paper mill in Albany, Oregon and got to analyze and control the chemicals in the bleaching process when making paper. These chemicals were used for bleaching pulps and selectively destroying impurities but left the lignin and cellulosic materials intact: hydrogen peroxide (12-15%) sodium bisulfite, sodium or zinc hydrosulfite , calcium or sodium hypochlorite, hydrogen or sodium peroxide, Sulfur Dioxide So for years I assumed that comic books paper was pretty immune to adding H2O2 to the paper itself as it is use int he manufacturing. But I was wrong. I have personally experienced and it has also been reported to me several times that extensive use of peroxide on comic books causes that paper to become stiff an brittle. Its very true It appears to be more related to the duration the peroxide is on the book and the number of applications than the concentration of the peroxide. That is counterintuitive but is repeatable and predictable. So with that information I use a 6% solution of peroxide and in only one application.That helps greatly in a single application and also doesn't overdo the whiteness of a book. UV lights and light with any UV component (sunlight or LEDs for indoor light) definitely can harm colors on books over time. That's why my lights (435n) have no UV frequencies at all. I have two books in a chamber now that have been under continuous exposure to my lights sense late last Summer. I haven't checked on them for a while but so far they are undamaged. I also used my masked to cover the colored areas to protect them from exposure to both the peroxide and the light. I don't know but I think it may help protected these areas and I also hope it helps protects from purple labels if the colored areas are contributing to the cdc assessments! thanks as always for your input, Jim!
@daushaus89
@daushaus89 Жыл бұрын
Do you even need to use peroxide? Won't a long duration without peroxide work? Does peroxide just speed up the process.
@jonathanloera6830
@jonathanloera6830 Жыл бұрын
I got the salon care one what percentage is that. And how much water would you use to dilute it
@ImmaculateComics
@ImmaculateComics Жыл бұрын
The salon care is 12% peroxide. I use my peroxide at 6% which is 1:1
@DocReasonable
@DocReasonable Жыл бұрын
Is it possible to apply peroxide to coloured areas at all, or it will it always noticeably bleach them?
@ImmaculateComics
@ImmaculateComics Жыл бұрын
It's actually common to see colors unharmed by bleach entirely. In my experience only reds and yellows show signs of fading with peroxide and that is only in some cases. However, when it does occur it can be devastating so I tens to be cautious.
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