Yeah

i prefer the one where zurin and wulfarth merged together and became the underking. as the mantella could only hold the soul of one being not two

Beautiful explanation

@L1qu1d S1lenc3r I think all three involved were Shezzarines, and I think both Arctus and Wulfharth got trapped inside the mantella, and after it's retrieval they joined Hjalti's ascended soul, thus Talos the god was born. There's a reason for Talos' Avatar being named Wulf.

and when the third part was added, talos came to be, mantling lorkhan and filling the missing god's space

I love it, I really love it. it sets up the destruction of the Numidium nicely

@@theskoomazingdunmer8749 hjalti wasn't a shezzarine

"Nice"? This is VERY good work.

@@Mohrlaen I like your enthousiasm

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Yeah but Wulfharth was a Nord while Tiber Septim was an Atmoran and Zurin Arctus was an Imperial.

@@Super50ldier Wulfharth was Atmoran. He was in Tamriel since the merethic era into the second era, while Hjalti - if we are talking about physical Tiber here - was born in the second era when Atmora was already dead frozen. Now, a one thing I had left out for simplicity's sake in the old comment was the rebuilt Numidium's warp dragonbreak, which could've had mythopoeic effects like actually merging the trio retroactively, changing reality and confusing everyone to see Septim, Arctus and Ysmir as one - very possible. But, it might just be Tiber picking a more stylish backstory of a fabled atmoran hero instead of a calculating breton schemer and enforcing it via the Nine divines cult.

@@theskoomazingdunmer8749 Wulfharth was around during the First Era.

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@@Super50ldier yeah probably was , I often mix early eras up. But from what I understand, his role might be older than that, as an echo of Shor like the ones in previous kalpas. I havent' actually read entire Shor son of Shor so that's just a guess.

and thats all thanks to the (old) Bethesda not wanting to pick an ending so they made them all canon

​​@@YOGI-kb9tgyep and dat dragonbreak excuse pissed me off as i got older cuz in elder scrolls lore we found out orcs were once illegal like buddy mentioned and even cyrodiil at that time wasnt what it is now it used to be a big jungle before tiber septim conquered but due a lore breaking "dragon break" bethesda broke their own lore that now even ESO which is way before even ES arena's events happened changed the physical lore of its locations like cyrodiil and even summerset all cuz bethesda were to lazy to pick a canon ending and didnt want alienate those who liked the other endings 🤦🏾🤦🏾

Pretty much. Tiber septim was a man who definitely accomplished great things, personally I don't thing the price was worth the outcome though and especially if you learn the methods he used you begin to see that he was definitely no "great" man. Ysgrammor was worse than Tiber septim in my opinion. Ysgrammor was a genocidal maniac in my personal opinion.

Immortal Panda In the words of Lorgar: "The difference between Gods and Daemons largely depends upon where one is standing at the time." (Lorgar is from the Horus Heresy, the quote itself is from "The First Heretic." Great book.)

Even more so when you remember that the Third Era (beginning with the establishment of the Septim Dynasty) only began 641 years before Skyrim. That's within *one* non-mage Altmer's lifespan. There are plenty of them that remember Tiber walking up to Alinor with Numidium and basically saying "Submit to me or die."

@@rahovartiv3464 Mayhaps Ysgramor went too far. And he was certainly no goody two shoes hero, but I don't blame him entirely. The accounts we have is that the Snow Elves torched Saarthal to the ground and slaughtered any inside after *possibily* having divined the location of the Eye of Magnus. Afterwards, during the Return, it is implied that his son Yngol, died due to "pale white ghosts" in the appropriately named Sea of Ghosts. Knowing TES, they could've very well been ghosts, but another interpretation that makes more sense is that his son was attacked by part of a Snow Elven fleet. Either way, both sides were wrong, and sought nothing but each other's destruction.

yea thats something i like about the elder scrolls franchise it mirrors reality on how what we hear in book portrays the people like tiber septim to be a good man but in the true accounts it would be different like where tiber septim would surround him self with corrupt sniveling allies go check out redguard for that one the imperial who tiber septim sent to deal with the rebels

except its better than shoddycast as it deals with the real lore and not child's play they made

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@@voryntheriolu2525 You must be high, elf.

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The elves deserve to live in fear. The Beastfolk though is a bit more morally grey. Remember, the Elves had several thousand years of history in which they ruthlessly slaughered, enslaved and sacrificed human societies as part of their attempts to leave Mundus and become divine. That sentiment hasn't gone away either, the third Aldneri Dominion (Skyrim) wants to ban Talos worship because Talos would lose the power to protect humanity from annihilation as part of the Thalmor's rituals to attain divinity. Also, it's mainly Elves who are at risk. The Beastfolk don't have a problem with Talos and Talos doesn't have a problem with them. Personally I have no pity for TES elves, they deserve to quake in fear.

@@Hagashager Up until Tiber Septim, I don't think the Altmer had done anything like that. The Falmer and Ayelids were already extinct, as were the left handed elves from Yokuda and the Dwemer. The only slave holding race at the time were the Dunmer, who Septim made an agreement with and allowed them to keep their slaves.

@@zeusdemi6858 The Alyeids and direnni were altmer

@@the_dropbear4392 The Alyeids are very specifically said to be descendants of early Aldmer settlers. And the Direnni were a clan of Altmer, who were attacked by the Alessian Order (not the Rebellion, there's a big difference) and while the Direnni seem to be less than clean in their political dealings, their biggest 'crime' seems to have been taking in fleeing Alyeid refugees from Cyrodiil. Or did you forget that not all the elves the Order tried to exterminate were bloodthirsty warlords?

@@zeusdemi6858 The dirreni enslaved, tortured and raped the nedic people for thousands of years. How to you think the Breton race came about. In fact it was the alyessian invasion that finally weakened th direnni enough for the Bretons to free themselves.

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How much sugar could a Kirkbride moon if a Kirkbride could moon sugar?..!

He gets it from Et's. Lore, not the sugar.

Yes

“Absinthe + ketamine = skooma” -Michael Kirkbride probably

soul gems

Shes going deep. This is daggerfall shit lol. I know because im going through it myself. Man, if you can deal with old graphics is probably one of the best of the scrolls series. Otherwise you can mod it with Unity or DaggerfallXL

Because none of this is mentioned in Skyrim and ESO. This is real nigga lore

Oldschool lore

@@k.t.1641 yea it takes a while to get a grasp of the elder scrolls lore but it is an amazing world (outside the games)

Me too omg

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why do i see you everywhere

Firewood Eater probably bc I love elder scrolls lol

And why a vampire? That just doesn't make sense

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@@pandagod9678 ...or sis?...!

um no more like a lich really

anthony rowan Morrowind was only on the original Xbox and PC I believe. Arena and Daggerfall were only on the PC in the 90s

Morrowind was on Xbox and Microsoft Windows. Not PS2 or PS3. And you can download Arena and Daggerfall for free from Bethesda's website. But unless you know how to use DOSBox, I recommend downloading ArenaSetup and DaggerfallSetup.

You can read Morrowind exclusive literature on the wikis. I've read more books in Tamriel than high school.

I think you're on to something here

I like to think that it just appeared. It seems to be able to disappear and reappear at will.

It's a thousand feet tall. I think it's pretty safe to assume that it waded through the Cape of the Blue Divide.

i feel they are on an equal footing one is a lich who imbued him self cursed objects and deadly poison and the other is a being between both life and death who is also a shezzerine

Considering underking no difficulty, Numidium lol

Those who acquire power are those who desire it. Those who desire things will often sacrifice much to achieve their desire. While there is no doubting the despicable things many of the heroes of TES have done...in most cases we did not stand in their shoes and therefore have no idea what their real choices were. So it is hard to tell how truly evil they really were and how much of it was really just the cost of making the best of circumstances. But yes, the victors write history so it is possible we will never truly know.

Manninarco hates the underking

You can't. This is directly stated in lore. You can't even destoy lesser Daedra, as they just reform. The most you can do is do what Molag did to one dremora clan and trap them within the armor of a leader of a rival clan.

The_Drop Bear you can in fact... more or less. The lore states that the only difference between daedra and aedra is that the latter sacrificed their essence in order to create the mortal plane and ended up investing too much of their power, thus losing their immortality (except those that escaped, like the God of Magic, Magnus if I remember correctly). So, basically, if your name is Lorkhan and you can convince a-hole to do something unselfish such as maintaining the mortal plane, you can kill a god. Or if your name is Akatosh and you can rip said Lorkhan’s heart, that works too I guess. Or if you’re Boethia and eat and then defecate your opponent. He may not be technically dead, but he’ll never be the same ^^ Oh, or if you’re Sheogorath and you find someone to destroy your alter ego, who logically should also be a daedra.

@@nathanjora7627 Lorkhan isn't dead, he became shor. Trinnimach isn't dead. He became Malacath. Jyglagg isn't dead, he is free. It's directly stated in lore that Daedra can't be killed

​ The_Drop Bear Eh, no. Lorkhan is dead, Shor is just another name. And eh... No, trinimach is dead, he became Malacath. Well, I guess that one is depending upon your philosophy and which myth you take into account, but personally I can't think of them as the same entity based upon the boethian eating Trinimac account. Considering what he's gone through, that his psychology, powers, sphere of influence, and very nature (aedra->daedra), and the nature of his followers changed, I can't say that he's the same person. I mean, if I destroyed you, as you, and took your essence, to make something radically different from everything you are right now, even though it's still the same essence, up to the point that basically no one would recognize you if you didn't wear the same name (which he doen't. Even that he doesn't), would you tell me that at the end of the process you are the same person ? Or that you died ? (I'm not even sure that it's ever stated they share any memory, in this particular retelling of the tale). As for Jyggalag, eh... Yeah, that one I agree ^^ I misremembered :/ Which is a shame since I really like this Daedra ^^ I mean, for a start, a daedra of order ? That's almost a contradiction, and something I like so much, as well as the design, the backstory, the way he was neutralized. I wonder if he'll ever return, as a character, or patron, or anything. PS : I should say that though Lorkhan/Shor/Shezzar is dead technically, that doesn't mean there is nothing left of him or that he couldn't be brought back to life, his heart still beat after all. But for all intents and purposes, he is dead, or destroyed, and he didn't even come back, depending on what sources you read. Also, what I said about Trinimac is, as far as I know, true for all Et'Ada, they can be killed, their physical incarnation ; "physical", should I say ; can be destroyed, and ther "animus" will have to go back in Oblivion and regenerate in an other form, that can have nothing to do with the previous one, at least theoretically, which makes them different persons, as ar as I'm concerned. Not better ones though, as Malacath and Merhunes are there to remember us ^^

@@nathanjora7627 Lorkhan is very much not dead. As he keeps sending his avatar's, fights alduin every now and again.

Yes, since (somehow) the dragon born is blood related to tiber septim, he/she can use it

Well, as the true Emporers are all dragonborn...I suppose by virtue of being recognized as such the last dragonborn could use it. Being dragonborn isn't really a hereditary thing, just that those recognized by Akatosh himself as being emporer also appear to be endowed with dragonbornness. Whether they awaken to their ability to understand the dragon tongue is optional. Even the last dragonborn didn't until fate made him encounter said language.

To my understanding only the Black Soul Gems had the property, I don't know how much ESO changed the lore.

It's from Daggerfall, which is one of the oldest games in the series.

its old and deep lore you wont find in the book its mostly stuff people put together from the concept of the unreliable narrator which is a concept that needs a video all in it own

brandon jerome I think it was Vecna from dnd

@@callumreilly9107 ahhh Yes, thanks 😉

Answer: Skyrim