The Electric Volkswagen ID.4 Takes On The World's Toughest Towing Test...And It's A Nail-Biter!

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0:00 Setup
2:10 Start Range Test
6:20 Uphill Range Report
7:27 Ike Downhill
13:04 Ike Uphill
22:51 Downhill Range Report
28:17 Charging
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@bobswadley7050
@bobswadley7050 2 жыл бұрын
As a Colorado resident and someone who is interested in an EV, I really appreciate this kind of test. Nice work guys!
@adams1696
@adams1696 2 жыл бұрын
Just go up first next time. stop ruining the suspense! hate the tortured person who thought going down first would be better
@garrettw99
@garrettw99 2 жыл бұрын
Buy an EV. You won’t regret it. It’s easier to live with than a gas car.
@drwisdom1
@drwisdom1 2 жыл бұрын
@@garrettw99 EVs won't charge in the cold so you have to have a garage to charge unless you live where it is warm. We live in the Colorado mountains where it gets quite cold at night and we don't have a garage. So to get an EV we would have to build a heated garage. But if we did that we would want to also expand two bedrooms and maybe add another deck. So to get an EV we would have to spend over $50k on our house. That would cause some regret.
@plushiie_
@plushiie_ 2 жыл бұрын
@@drwisdom1 - You know you can tell the car to activate the ac and keep the car warm while its plugged in charging. - EV's can charge and operate in the cold, northern europe is full of EV's...
@drwisdom1
@drwisdom1 2 жыл бұрын
@@plushiie_ I was told that you can't even charge an EV when it is cold using 120v. It supposedly uses all the electricity heating the battery to accept the charge. So you have to have 240v to even charge in the cold. Has that changed? I suspect all those EVs in Northern Europe get charged in garages, not outside. It isn't that EVs don't work in the cold, just that you really have to have a garage to own an EV in cold locations.
@natesully1
@natesully1 2 жыл бұрын
I like how we've gone from "Will EVs work at all", to "can I do my commute in an EV", to "can I road trip an EV", and now finally to "can I tow with an EV". There's been so much progress since the EV-1!
@sketchyssk8shop
@sketchyssk8shop 2 жыл бұрын
Still not of a fan of charging all night and not being full. All my gas vehicles except for my boat can be full from bone dry tanks in less than 5 minutes including the time fighting with the pumps credit card reader.
@treborheminway3814
@treborheminway3814 2 жыл бұрын
If you use an entire tank of gas per day, you could save a ton of money by switching to an ev and using your dryer outer to charge (220v).
@sketchyssk8shop
@sketchyssk8shop 2 жыл бұрын
@@treborheminway3814 thar defeats the point. I despise the idea of waiting hours to refill my car. Gas is almost instant. And i can still tow way more efficient.
@treborheminway3814
@treborheminway3814 2 жыл бұрын
@@sketchyssk8shop if your talking towing, I would agree that were not there yet, but it's a matter of energy density not efficiency. Evs are way more efficient. They basically carry the energy equivalent of 2 to 3 gallons of gas. However, in commuting senerios and many road trips, its nice to wake up everyday with a full tank.
@sketchyssk8shop
@sketchyssk8shop 2 жыл бұрын
@@treborheminway3814 i can comute for 2 weeks on a 5 minute fillup. I can drive till im at empty and in an emergency i can grab my gas can for my mower and get somewhere in a pinch. Your evs are sol and you gotta call someone to come get you. Once the government quits giving everyone massive tax breaks the sales will dry up. When you pay the real cost minds change. Plus since the cars are putting the batteries into the frames soon planned obsolescence will be real just like our mobile devices.
@308bar
@308bar 2 жыл бұрын
Andrei has the best range anxiety of all TFL reviewers IMO. Great review.
@JagdeepSandhuSJC
@JagdeepSandhuSJC 2 жыл бұрын
Love the video. I am an ID.4 owner. I switched from Tesla Model 3 performance to ID.4. ID.4 is a much more comfortable car. I use it as my work car and it is easy for my customers to ride with me in it. Most of my customers are older men and women, they used to complain about how low the Tesla was and seats not being comfortable. I haven't taken a weekend camping trip in ID.4 yet but thanks to your video man, I am gonna try it. Keep producing great videos TFL team!!.
@JeanPierreWhite
@JeanPierreWhite 2 жыл бұрын
I find the Model 3 seats to be wonderfully comfortable. There is adjustment with the lumbar support. The advantage the ID.4 has is its higher off the ground making getting in and out much easier, especially for those with older knees like myself.
@brucec954
@brucec954 2 жыл бұрын
The Model Y is more comparable to an ID4 and has higher seating position. It also has a ton of room (including a Frunk) so have been camping in it instead of towing a trailer.
@7spower998
@7spower998 2 жыл бұрын
@@brucec954 No, frunk means no nose-heavy weight ahead of the front axle which gives FWD handling characteristics. Without it makes it more of a RWD-like neutral handling vehicle. And that is a bonus.
@kens97sto171
@kens97sto171 2 жыл бұрын
@@JeanPierreWhite Problem with the model 3 is trying to get in and out of the back seats. I've got a friend who has some mobility issues in her legs she's also a bit on the chunky side. And she could not even get into the back seat. The roof line was too low that she had to duck her head to the point where her body wouldn't fold that much and she couldn't get in the backseat at all. The model y was no problem. One thing about the model why though is the rear seat is actually narrower across than the model 3. Also there's a pretty significant threshold to go across if you look at where the body panel is versus where the seat starts. Again if you've got mobility problems some people we'll have difficulty getting in and out. The Volkswagen definitely has the more practical interior. Also it rides softer and quieter which again for passenger service is probably the better bet. The thing I really like is you can get a base model Volkswagen which has pretty much everything you'd want for 39 Grand. I don't need the big glass panoramic roof in fact I would prefer not to have one. I like the fact that Volkswagen sells a version that skips that feature that is of absolutely no use to me. Also I like the fact that they offer cloth seats. It gets extremely hot or I live and car interiors can get upwards of 150° f. Put your butt down on leather seats while you're wearing shorts that is not a fun situation. The base model ID 4 is what I would probably get. But I've never owned a Volkswagen and I'm a little skeptical about reliability even though it's an electric vehicle. I drive 50 to 60,000 miles per year. My current car is a 13-year-old Prius with 376,000 miles on it.
@JeanPierreWhite
@JeanPierreWhite 2 жыл бұрын
@@kens97sto171 I think we are both agreeing the ID.4 is easier to get in and out of. No the Model 3 seats do not get hot during the summer months if you employ cabin overheat protection.
@dollarzUS
@dollarzUS 2 жыл бұрын
I think ID 4 performed very well I'm impressed 💯
@monono954
@monono954 2 жыл бұрын
Just for everyone's information 1.6mi/kWh is the equivalent of 54 miles per gallon. Goes to show just how efficient EVs are
@mattbrew11
@mattbrew11 2 жыл бұрын
@ $.43/kWh for the charger andre used thats $26.88 per 100 miles
@trullmann
@trullmann 2 жыл бұрын
@monono954 how do you get to that number of 54 miles per gallon? he was paying .43 per kWH that would be an average of almost $0.27 per mile, that would be that same of a gas car getting around 11mpg at $2.99/g.. a car running regular gas of $2.99 per gallon getting 54mph would cost 0.055 per mile
@monono954
@monono954 2 жыл бұрын
@@mattbrew11 yea, they're 100% gouging, IMO. Even still 90%+ of the charging you'll do with an EV is at home. I pay 11¢/kWh for electricity and most of us pay around that.
@mattbrew11
@mattbrew11 2 жыл бұрын
@@monono954 charging stations aren’t cheap. Its a business not a charity. I get that I was just throwing out another calculation I might appreciate if I was newer into considering EVs
@monono954
@monono954 2 жыл бұрын
@@trullmann the amount of energy consumption. A gallon of fuel contains, on average 33.7kWh of energy. If the car is getting 1.6 miles to the kWh that means that with 33.7 kWhs, the car will travel 54 miles. The pricing at that station is 100% gouging. Residential rates for electricity average 13¢/kWh in the US. The average rate in Boulder Colorado is 11¢/kWh. Commercial rates are normally way less than that, so that station was just highway robbery.
@COSolar6419
@COSolar6419 2 жыл бұрын
I am impressed. The ID.4 AWD Pro is supposed to have the same range even with AWD and 100 more horsepower. EVs don’t lose power with the increased altitude.
@edinreviews
@edinreviews 2 жыл бұрын
I think that was a pretty decent result- you wouldn’t buy the ID4 if you were towing regularly but it’s nice to know that it can tow if you need it. We considered the ID4 as a family car to join our BMW i3 but we weren’t sold on the interior and infotainment system. Luckily in Scotland you can get a Skoda Enyaq or Audi Q4 E-tron based on the same platform/battery/motor. We’ve got a Q4 on order👍🏻🏴󠁧󠁢󠁳󠁣󠁴󠁿
@alanbuchan1469
@alanbuchan1469 2 жыл бұрын
Y666
@TeamMadcrew
@TeamMadcrew 2 жыл бұрын
i agree. we bought the id.4 awd pro s because the q4 was not yet available. we are planning on trading for the q4 just before warranty expires.
@edinreviews
@edinreviews 2 жыл бұрын
@@TeamMadcrew we’ve had our Q4 E-Tron since November now and we’re loving it. It’s a 40 S-Line so RWD, but no regrets so far. Production has been hit with massive delays, but luckily we avoided that. I’ve put some videos up of you want to see how it’s been going👍🏻🏴󠁧󠁢󠁳󠁣󠁴󠁿
@JeanPierreWhite
@JeanPierreWhite 2 жыл бұрын
Good video. I especially like that Andre charged at EA just long enough to get him where he was going. The ID.4 charged at full 125kW the whole charge session which is impressive.
@richhancock3110
@richhancock3110 2 жыл бұрын
Can’t wait to see the new ford lightning tackle this test !!!
@kickeupe
@kickeupe 2 жыл бұрын
I came here to say the exact same thing! Range anxiety is no fun!
@dmitryxxx26
@dmitryxxx26 2 жыл бұрын
it will not tackle this test, will probably overheat & run out of battery
@rvboyett
@rvboyett 2 жыл бұрын
I’m going to find out next year.
@AkioWasRight
@AkioWasRight 2 жыл бұрын
I would rather see the Lighting tackle a long range test under heavy load.
@trullmann
@trullmann 2 жыл бұрын
@@AkioWasRight what are you thinking? like a test pulling around 10,000lbs? would be interesting
@yellowsnowman9157
@yellowsnowman9157 2 жыл бұрын
This is an incredible car at a decent price. Best car in class when they launch the AWD version later this year.
@kypianoservice
@kypianoservice 2 жыл бұрын
Best TFL video ever! Great job, Andre.
@rickdibello3823
@rickdibello3823 2 жыл бұрын
Nice Job!!! I've done that drive in my ID 4 without a trailer, and it was fabulous. It was very interesting to see how it performs with one!
@Ryan.zelenski
@Ryan.zelenski 2 жыл бұрын
It had better towing efficiency than I expected 👍🏼
@richardharker2775
@richardharker2775 2 жыл бұрын
Andre does great real world tests and reviews with his likeable personality. I can only imagine how the commentary and facial expressions would be if the back up Ram wasn't following.
@Jovimk
@Jovimk 2 жыл бұрын
Nice video Andre. Keep up the good work!
@chadlegault9993
@chadlegault9993 2 жыл бұрын
Great test, Thank you TFL
@daveroush4896
@daveroush4896 2 жыл бұрын
Love these tests. Keep em coming!
@daves1646
@daves1646 Жыл бұрын
Thanks for the look at pulling a sleeper with the ‘sleeper EV’. I just bought a 22 ID.4 and it’s nice to see that it can manage near 2m/kWh. Seemed like it was fairly warm, so that’s probably best case for the light trailer. The one thing I’ve learned from 1 weeks winter ownership of the ID.4 is that efficiency falls A LOT as it gets colder. Looking forward to summer, and maybe a 1 sleeper tiny trailer …. Thanks again Andre!!
@schlix101
@schlix101 2 жыл бұрын
Well done for not chickening out before reaching the top! :-) This is what we want to see. Great Test! Thank you.
@NearlyFromAfar
@NearlyFromAfar 2 жыл бұрын
What's really interesting is the same conditions that make it hard for a traditional vehicle to tow at high elevations (thin air) would presumably work in an EV's favor. EV's don't need to take in air to create propulsion, but the thinner air would actually put less drag on the overall vehicle and trailer. Definitely more EV towing tests!
@americanrambler4972
@americanrambler4972 2 жыл бұрын
Your mostly right, EV’s don’t need intake air to create propulsion, but they do need it for cooling. The batteries and motors do generate waste heat while they are drawing stored energy and consuming it at high output levels. Most are equipped with some sort of cooling system to extract that heat and dissipate it. And the thinner air results in less heat exchanger (radiator) efficiency, so keeping everything adequately cooled is a requirement. Andre discovered that altitude did effect his his Ford F-150 Power Boost Hybrid truck Ike tow test. Altitude did effect its cooling capability. The VW ID-4 was pulling a fairly light trailer, so the heating loads are considerably smaller than a larger and heavier trailer would generate.
@NearlyFromAfar
@NearlyFromAfar 2 жыл бұрын
@@americanrambler4972 That's a great point about evaluating cooling capacity in regards to towing. I suppose it's always possible that EV makers undersize the cooling in relation to the tow rating, as can happen with traditional IC cars. As EVs mature, it'll be interesting to see how they spec what a tow package means, and whether that includes larger heat exchangers. Or how easily an aftermarket HX can be spliced in by the end user, like adding a tranny cooler to an IC car.
@dalejones4322
@dalejones4322 2 жыл бұрын
Great video. Playing out all these scenarios that we will encounter in the future answers a lot of questions. Thanks for this peek into the future Andre.
@Fix_It_Again_Tony
@Fix_It_Again_Tony 2 жыл бұрын
Something to consider: the energy in one gallon of gasoline is 33.4 kWh. A 77 kWh battery contains the same energy as about 2.3 gallons of gas. Andre drove about 139 miles before arriving at the charger with 6% battery left. That would be 72.38 kWh consumed or about 2.165 gallons of gasoline energy equivalent. Doing the math on the mileage results in 64.2 MPGe. Very impressive.
@psychic1999
@psychic1999 2 жыл бұрын
So at 43c a kWh that is $31 bucks to go 139 miles. A reasonable SUV can get 20 mpg, so 7 gal of gas or $20-$22 and it can go 2x or more the range. Not so impressive.
@Fix_It_Again_Tony
@Fix_It_Again_Tony 2 жыл бұрын
@@psychic1999 That price for electricity is exorbitant. That's the "we've got a charger at the shopping center and you aren't going to make it home without a charge while you shop" price. I pay less than $0.08 per kWh where I live. That includes generation and transmission. So it would cost me less that $6.20 to make that trip in electricity. It looks like around Denver the price is 11 to 12 cents per kWh for residential customers so no more than $9.29 in that area. I am sure if you had to hunt for a gas stations as hard as Andre hunted for a charging station gas would be more expensive too. It comes down to scarcity. As EV adoption increases there will be more charging stations and more competition which will drive down prices. Of course if you are taking a trip you should probably know what your are getting yourself into, especially if you are going to be towing your teardrop up I-70 west of Denver. In a more typical commuting use case EVs are way ahead of ICE vehicles in cost of ownership over the life of the vehicle. Do your own research. What can't be refuted is how much more efficient EVs are than ICE vehicles which is what I am pointing out in my comment above.
@htiek30120
@htiek30120 2 жыл бұрын
Nice video! Though most don't have an Ike Gauntlet to navigate, it's nice to know that you could easily carry your mountain bikes and/or motorcycles with an ID4. Finding a charger that can accommodate a trailer is another story.
@AM_SDG
@AM_SDG 2 жыл бұрын
Great review. Every time you mention Golden, reminds me of Golden, British Columbia in the Canadian Rockies 😀
@ostmk496
@ostmk496 2 жыл бұрын
Great video guys!!
@MrBrandPeter
@MrBrandPeter 2 жыл бұрын
Thanks for that test, car is impressing!
@TheIoniqGuy
@TheIoniqGuy 2 жыл бұрын
Awesome video! I have a homemade teardrop trailer similar in shape and I'm either going to get an ID.4 or Ioniq 5. Mine doesn't have those big off road wheels though so maybe I could do even better in terms of efficiency.
@JeanPierreWhite
@JeanPierreWhite 2 жыл бұрын
If you get n ID.4 with 19" wheels it'll do slightly better as well.
@autophile525i
@autophile525i 2 жыл бұрын
I get it …Tike Ike because you’re towing a Little Tike on the trailer. Fine, have my “like” for this Tike Ike video.
@TassieEV
@TassieEV 2 жыл бұрын
First test I've seen with a trailer and nice to see as this is actual mountain pass involved and 142miles/227km range with that trailer. Arriving with 5% is perfect as well means you get max charge rate from the charger as your battery will also be nicely warmed up ready.
@g75218
@g75218 2 жыл бұрын
FINALLY, a video of the ID.4 towing! Thank you thank you thank you! It would be awesome to compare it to the AWD ID.4 when that comes out. Please let us know how the AWD works if you get your paws on one. (if its selective, only when wheels are slipping, etc)
@sworks7124
@sworks7124 2 жыл бұрын
Good job Andre love the sweat beading up on your forehead when it was 15% battery left.
@plushiie_
@plushiie_ 2 жыл бұрын
An important thing with ev's is that driving slower greatly increases the range. Pulling a trailer and going 50 vs 60 makes a big differance.
@charliespurgeon5480
@charliespurgeon5480 2 жыл бұрын
I live in Dillon and I'm leaning toward buying an ID.4 to commute over the pass everyday. This was very helpful. Thank you for putting this up.
@markhavelka4924
@markhavelka4924 2 жыл бұрын
I used to think these tyke Ike videos were silly, but I saw two different teardrop/small campers being towed by little crossover SUV’s at the beach today. Didn’t realize it was such a trend.
@dethpuck
@dethpuck 2 жыл бұрын
Wow great test. Surprised me with this one.
@junkerzn7312
@junkerzn7312 2 жыл бұрын
I gotta give it a thumbs up just for the initial opening music :-). Suspense! Drama! Murder Mystery! Will the vehicle make it... will the battery blow up... Cliff-hanger episode, will the auxillary vehicle (the plastic toy car on the trailer) be able to save the day once again! What fate awaits our protagonist at the ends of the world! -Matt
@abbaby555
@abbaby555 2 жыл бұрын
Awesome, it reminds me of just how similar weight issues are to EVs just like with bush planes here. The more the weight the shorter the range.
@parolajd
@parolajd 2 жыл бұрын
Great test and video. How would the ID4 do on the same route without the trailer?
@PMI551
@PMI551 2 жыл бұрын
You typically camp with more than one person so you’d have to add more weight (people and supplies) for this to be even more realistic
@morilot
@morilot 2 жыл бұрын
It's not the weight that's the big problem it's the added drag.
@markparent7999
@markparent7999 2 жыл бұрын
@@morilot True..taking that stupid toy thing off the front might help...plus why do you need monster truck tires on a trailer with an ID4 with no ground clearance. ..its not like you are going on jeep trails. Should have swapped tires on that trailer with smaller ones.
@morilot
@morilot 2 жыл бұрын
@@markparent7999 I think they use the trailer they got, also think there's some marketing here. Also it's a small teardrop trailer so the added drag and resistance from the oversized tyres is probably smaller than the added drag from a bigger trailer. So I think the test is valid.
@ElectricNed
@ElectricNed 2 жыл бұрын
Would really like to have an ID.4 for towing my 1700lb popup camper. A Bolt EV has done fine with it so far but the slower charging (and no official tow rating) is a drag. Cool to see more towing-rated and fast-charging EVs hitting the market!
@daviddenley3512
@daviddenley3512 2 жыл бұрын
I think you've just done a very very good test! Perhaps my preconceived suspicions about the US4 are misplaced after all! Many thanks for the review.
@PedroBrandaodrums
@PedroBrandaodrums 2 жыл бұрын
Excellent video glad I made my choice to buy one of those.
@justinfowler2857
@justinfowler2857 2 жыл бұрын
Was not expecting it to make it. Nice
@rsdaarud
@rsdaarud 2 жыл бұрын
Thanks Andre for the in the trenches review!
@flightmedic7634
@flightmedic7634 2 жыл бұрын
Mountainous terrain with plenty of ups and downs seems well suited for EV towing. I think areas that EVs will struggle would be rural long continuous grades combined with continuous headwinds (like the entire state of Nebraska when going Westbound on I-80). At least the mountainous terrain provides opportunity to Regen. In very rural areas I think you could struggle to make it between chargers on especially windy days.
@kschleic9053
@kschleic9053 2 жыл бұрын
The drive west from Dallas to Raton Pass into Colorado is exactly what you describe... Uphill, wind blows east constantly. It was the last major gap in Teslas road trip charging network...
@maddyma4293
@maddyma4293 2 жыл бұрын
It's an awesome car....i have driven ~5000 miles and genuinely impressed.
@seeker10280
@seeker10280 2 жыл бұрын
Excellent Review didn’t buy the ID.4 to tow but it’s nice to know it can handle it, using regen braking with the cruise does not give you anywhere near as much benefit, if you would have used it manually it would not have been even close to giving you range anxiety. Still I like the drama of the content. Thank you for answering the towing question for us. 👍🏻
@UD747RED
@UD747RED 2 жыл бұрын
Enjoyed this challenge, well done Andre. It also looks stressful to him, thinking about the range all the time.
@mrsockeye
@mrsockeye 2 жыл бұрын
Really cool test. Super practical and a harbinger of the future.
@paulwicklund5044
@paulwicklund5044 2 жыл бұрын
I'm impressed, much better than when you towed with the Tesla. Good Job Volkswagen.
@allterrainrandy2587
@allterrainrandy2587 2 жыл бұрын
Are you talking about when they towed the horse trailer with the Model X?
@Hlysander
@Hlysander 2 жыл бұрын
Great vid guys! Can you please do a towing and off road video of the Volvo xc40 pure electric or the xc60 polestar phev?
@michaeleisinger8668
@michaeleisinger8668 2 жыл бұрын
I can't wait for my ID.4 to arrive.
@geoffreyoltmans4356
@geoffreyoltmans4356 Жыл бұрын
I love your towing videos. However, I would like to see one important change with your tow tests in the future, as towing with an EV is something that I am considering as an option in the future. Namely, I see you towing a 1700lbs trailer, which is good... but, I see what appears to be a completely unloaded passenger compartment in the tow vehicle itself. We travel with 4 people and a pop up camper, and that means most everything we bring with us apart from light bedding and our food... goes in the tow vehicle. We put a lot of stuff in the back of our pickup truck when we camp with our pop up! A test with both an unladen tow vehicle and a laden one would be a nicer test to know just how much additional reduction in range you can expect with a heavier load in the passenger vehicle while pulling the trailer.
@rocket3man
@rocket3man 2 жыл бұрын
Good one Andre, this was a first to see the trailer and then trying to kill the car on the mountain route - the Id.4 came through as you said.
@stefhanvandermeer475
@stefhanvandermeer475 2 жыл бұрын
As a German/Swiss, I regularly watch TFL.... TOP videos!!! but Andre is very special and funny, I'm always very curious, when he does a test, it's always in a very natural way... keep it up... Andre..!!!TOP Also the rest of TFL is a top team!!! The tests are fair, and it happens with standard vehicles, and that's very important, what might be even more interesting is a good-looking woman on the team, but someone with an engineering background, like us Germans do here. .. greetings from peaceful Switzerland.........
@TFLcar
@TFLcar 2 жыл бұрын
Thanks for the thoughtful comment!
@dansanger5340
@dansanger5340 2 жыл бұрын
Great EV towing video. But, since the ID4 is so big in back with the seats folded down, I would probably leave the trailer at home and sleep in the back of the ID4.
@DeniJasmina
@DeniJasmina 2 жыл бұрын
Or just bring a tent and camp like a pro
@shawnls1
@shawnls1 2 жыл бұрын
Can you tell me what app you are using to track your progress? Thanks.
@doneB830
@doneB830 2 жыл бұрын
With gas engines we learned very quickly about 100 years ago that you need drive through fueling because of trailers, am I the only one that thinks we are getting more and more stupid as we go.
@legrosroger
@legrosroger 2 жыл бұрын
There's not enough electric towing yet to justify such installations
@dieselpreetsingh9544
@dieselpreetsingh9544 2 жыл бұрын
@@legrosroger But nations around the globe consider it the future and want to ban ICE in the name of environment so they should have thought of this. I mean 10-20 years is not that far.
@legrosroger
@legrosroger 2 жыл бұрын
@@dieselpreetsingh9544 There's enough time for that, drive-through charging stations is not much of a big deal to create
@GHinWI
@GHinWI 2 жыл бұрын
I don’t think it’s stupidity that designed the charger that way, I think it’s just cheaper. Money rules everything.
@thedopplereffect00
@thedopplereffect00 2 жыл бұрын
I think Tesla has those
@optical818
@optical818 Жыл бұрын
Andre @tflcar you mentioned downhill ike testing you will standardize on using cruise control for EVs. Curious though if any of the EVs cannot regen brake enough to slow vehicle (especially with heavier loads) and start to use friction brakes will all the vehicles tell you they are using friction braking? Just wondering if you will have a hard time standardizing on the number of brake applications used, if it comes to be needed.
@supersteve7271
@supersteve7271 2 жыл бұрын
I'm glad to see all the real world test you guys do. I always watch all the videos especially about the EV's. I am more interested in seeing what the trucks can do on the challenge. Especially the Lightning and the Rivian. I still believe we have a very long way to go before we can actually say EV is the way to go vehicle wise. I use trucks all the time. And i still have alot of doubts about the EV trucks coming out but we will see. Keep up all the great work you guys do. And I'll keep watching.
@loganlexow
@loganlexow 2 жыл бұрын
👆 This. I use trucks or my van a lot to camp and haul motorcycles. I'm curious about the new trucks coming out but not holding my breath. And I personally would hate the hour wait for a recharge, especially if I've got places I need to be or times to keep.
@sketchyssk8shop
@sketchyssk8shop 2 жыл бұрын
Cannot wait for you guys to get a tow test with the rivian and the ford truck. Heavy real weights on the ike.
@rosalyschijf2157
@rosalyschijf2157 2 жыл бұрын
I live right in golden Colorado and used to own a 2013 Nissan Leaf. I’d regularly drive a short distance up i70 (about 6 miles, from the bottom of the mountain to the second exit) and it drained the battery by around 30%. That’s the leaf with a 100 mile range drained by 30% from 6 miles, granted its steep and I’d go 75 miles per hour, and on the way home I’d always gain a few miles.
@jrwilson99
@jrwilson99 2 жыл бұрын
Great video Andre. Does anyone know what GPS app is being used at 6:23?
@ChicagoBob123
@ChicagoBob123 2 жыл бұрын
Love these kind of reviews. Id.4 seems like a great all around car. Not just an EV.
@southstalk
@southstalk 2 жыл бұрын
The climate will not be saved by private EV use as roughly 4% of emissions come from private vehicles, I do look forward to the future when they can compete on price and actual real world use for the average person.
@southstalk
@southstalk 2 жыл бұрын
@T.C. I guess you don't accept the scientific evidence that clearly shows our CO2 emissions are causing the planet to heat up
@themangastand8475
@themangastand8475 2 жыл бұрын
4% of emissions from the car itself. Not considering what it takes to get it there. Converting to solar homes and EVs is the way to go
@ecdriver6595
@ecdriver6595 2 жыл бұрын
Well done!!!
@jamesoldman3021
@jamesoldman3021 2 жыл бұрын
Excellent test. Will you eventually let us know what it cost for the trip and how many gallons of regular gas/diesel and MPG one would have to achieve in another vehicle to equal? Now I am waiting till you can do a test on a electric pickup. What I would find interesting if you loaded one to what is equivalent to a logging crew heading out to work and do a run on a industrial road. Nice cold day in the winter would be great. Know most pickups today are used as a replacement for the 4 door sedan yet would be nice to see a test using one as it originally designed for.
@briankessler8209
@briankessler8209 2 жыл бұрын
A very good test. Well done. I think folks would benefit from a little more explanation of how the GOM (range estimator) does its calculations, based on a rolling "most-recently-driven" data sample. You can read on the EV forums, etc., how confused many people are about what the GOM tells them. I personally think it would be relatively easy programming to integrate the GOM with GPS, to more accurately forecast the remaining range based on upcoming terrain. Also, Andre was still citing the *average* mi/kWh while on the climb. This is fine for general, all-condition driving, but if he was worried about whether or not he could make it to the top, he should have directed attention to the *current* mi/kWh, since that is the figure that is relevant at that exact point in time -- e.g., on a long, continuous climb, where you know the your current rate of energy usage will be sustained for a while. I especially liked the explanation of how the Adaptive Cruise Control automatically optimizes the amount of regen while maintaining speed. For the record, I love the multiple levels of regen that the e-Golf provides, and I worry that the binary "D/B" provided by the id.4 will be a disappointment for me. I'll find out, once I get one. :-) All in all, a very fair and through test & review. EV isn't for everyone, but realistic & honest reviews such as this one will help dispel myths on limitations, and affirm capabilites of what EV can & cannot provide to the general population. BTW, even the 1.8~1.9 mi/kWh is quite a bit lower than I get in my e-Golf -- presumably due to the extra weight of CUV form-factor, the 82kWh battery pack, and the towing. I can't wait to get into an AWD id.4!!!
@leezananny2639
@leezananny2639 2 жыл бұрын
I see the trx as the camera vehicle. Did you take the f-150 powerboost also in case the need for a charge on the side of the road?
@moate
@moate 2 жыл бұрын
I am curious what abertterrouplanner calculated vs what you got
@mattjohnson7835
@mattjohnson7835 Жыл бұрын
Excellent job! I am looking at ID.4 for towing a bass boat. The trailer doesn't have power breaking. The weight is close to the max of the ID.4. Any suggestions?
@kevindavis8143
@kevindavis8143 2 жыл бұрын
We own an ID4, try it again in D mode. The car will use regen first, only applying the actual brakes once maxed out. We found much lower consumption on freeway trips that way! In town, B mode all day.
@VladimirNapkin
@VladimirNapkin 2 жыл бұрын
I had this same thought!
@enmanueldelacruz9906
@enmanueldelacruz9906 2 жыл бұрын
The ID.4 is a really good looking SUV
@getlosttoday4045
@getlosttoday4045 2 жыл бұрын
How about the winters in Colorado?? How will that affect the battery?
@thebluexb
@thebluexb 2 жыл бұрын
I love watching the Ike Gauntlet videos and even drove out there from Texas to see how my car would do but all of the jump cuts between the actual test and other segments about the trailer and the vehicle are VERY confusing. I hate clicking through the video and I know It hurts watch time but it's necessary just to follow the storyline. If the shots were reorganized showing prep and equipment, followed by the ascent, descent and final thoughts or ordered similar to that, I think it would make the video more enjoyable to watch and more helpful to understand exactly what's going on throughout the test.
@TylerDickey1
@TylerDickey1 2 жыл бұрын
Makes you wonder why it’s taking so long to get serious hybrid big rigs. The regen braking alone would be amazing, cut down on idling, no more cooked brakes, better off the line performance.
@RogerM88
@RogerM88 2 жыл бұрын
Once you reach a point your battery pack is charged, they switch to the standard brakes.
@dieselpreetsingh9544
@dieselpreetsingh9544 2 жыл бұрын
Trucks use Jake Brake and engine braking so, they don't cook brakes.
@legrosroger
@legrosroger 2 жыл бұрын
Buyers are scared of EVs and hybrids
@edisontrent5244
@edisontrent5244 2 жыл бұрын
There is one on the market, price is part of the issue, the other is CA going straight to EV which decreases initial demand.
@contagiouz4168
@contagiouz4168 2 жыл бұрын
I wish they make it more apparent in future videos that this is test to see how much range you get per charge rather than a worry about battery dying. There were many points to recharge during the that trip so no being stranded situations. Just would take longer because of having to charge more often because of using more wh/mi.
@duainabbott7746
@duainabbott7746 2 жыл бұрын
does the VW Id 4 come with trailer brakes and which size tow hitch coupler did you have? thanks
@DaneDeasy
@DaneDeasy 2 жыл бұрын
What’s that GPS app you’re using on the iPhone?
@davidws5439
@davidws5439 2 жыл бұрын
Good job. At least you guys did not plan it to fail like the video done with the Tesla pulling 5,000 pounds and no test run or DC fast chargers in route.
@williamreinhardt2774
@williamreinhardt2774 2 жыл бұрын
So I'm getting from this that I need to work at that school that everyone had to walk uphill both ways to but drive the other way so I go downhill both ways and then I'm set!
@LuisHernandez-ps5tf
@LuisHernandez-ps5tf Жыл бұрын
Where did you bought the light connector?
@toddboucher3302
@toddboucher3302 2 жыл бұрын
Like the car, never thought of it as a choice to tow a trailer. great video, thought it would get worst then 1.5 m/kw
@peterrempala7982
@peterrempala7982 2 жыл бұрын
Id4 AWD is the one I’m looking forward to
@papasquat355
@papasquat355 2 жыл бұрын
I'm holding out for the EV6 from Kia. Best looking EV yet.
@coryernewein
@coryernewein 2 жыл бұрын
Gotta love the little Tykes car in the shot.
@jasonpaiva4793
@jasonpaiva4793 2 жыл бұрын
& Andrey y didn't u use the decibel meter for the Raptor Exhaust video? Just asking 🤔
@tickle-4797
@tickle-4797 2 жыл бұрын
As a suggestion, I think you should go on these EV Tike Ike tests with Andre's hybrid F-150 instead of the TRX. for when the battery of the vehicle disappoints. That would make for a good video for knowing all the how much kWh and how long it'd take to charge them and all...
@mattbrew11
@mattbrew11 2 жыл бұрын
Take way too long
@anthonyc1883
@anthonyc1883 2 жыл бұрын
The on-screen graphic at 3:52 reads “Will Andre make it?” but a previous video showed him at his desk with a sign that said Andrey. Wondering how his name is really spelled since I often include it when I leave a comment. Honest question.
@garrettw99
@garrettw99 2 жыл бұрын
I think the ID4 is a great alternative to a RAV4 or CR-V. It doesn’t compare to a Tesla though, but it wasn’t supposed to.
@jacobmoses3712
@jacobmoses3712 2 жыл бұрын
The toy car on the front of the trailer is a nice touch
@phillyphil1513
@phillyphil1513 2 жыл бұрын
2018 Pikes Peak Hill Climb Unlimited Class: VW ID-R Electric Prototype, Romain Dumas, 7m:57s. 2021 Pikes Peak Hill Climb Exhibition Class: Tesla Model S Plaid, Randy Pobst, 6m:57s.
@Krynos18
@Krynos18 2 жыл бұрын
I am wondering if the flickering lights (headlights) are a camera artifact of if you are actually driving around with flashing lights
@brushlessmotoring
@brushlessmotoring 2 жыл бұрын
Great video, another thing to remember, campsites have electrical hookups, with the right cables, you can charge the EV back up while you sleep, if you are camping for a few days, even a regular 110 outlet will work with the supplied charger that was in the trunk.
@bryanhersman4037
@bryanhersman4037 2 жыл бұрын
Seems a little silly to pay an EXTRA $10gs (if not more) for that off road style camper just to camp in rv parks off the freeway. Although it's also silly to buy a trailer more off road capable than the car. LOL.
@brushlessmotoring
@brushlessmotoring 2 жыл бұрын
@@bryanhersman4037 True, but maybe stay one night in a campsite, and then .... into the wilds! Fords Electric F150 is going to be interesting, paired with a 5th wheel with a significant solar installation, charge the truck during the day in the middle of nowhere, and keep going forever!
@wentfishing
@wentfishing 2 жыл бұрын
Andrey great video! My question is always about family traveling. Can you test car with 4 adult in car? Also show baggage space, how AC or Heating works with mileage. Thank you
@tbthedozer
@tbthedozer 2 жыл бұрын
This demonstration illustrates the issue with battery power and moving more mass. It’s not a question of if the electric motor has enough power but the storage of electrons. The more mass you’re moving the more electrons you need. Storing energy in a fuel that gets oxidized takes advantage of you not having to carry the oxygen around with you. A battery has to have both sides of the reaction and will likely be heavier per amount of energy stored.
@wettenFTW
@wettenFTW 2 жыл бұрын
28:07 and that's the major argument against EVs (for me). I like them, love driving them, but I don't want to be nervous "all" time when going for a road trip > 500 miles (which I often do). Don't know how it is in the States, but here in Europe you need for every Country different apps and cards, otherwise you cannot use the chargers (unless you own a Tesla). That's why I will not consider buying an EV in the next 10 years.
@shtopfl5247
@shtopfl5247 2 жыл бұрын
If you want to go camping whilst towing and have a thrilling ride there go with an EV 😅🙈 I have to say I really like the design of the ID4
@xFactoryUSA
@xFactoryUSA 2 жыл бұрын
American ideal of Camping has nothing to do with just “ stopping in some grass with something hitched to your car” that’s a called a Rest Stop in America lol
@shtopfl5247
@shtopfl5247 2 жыл бұрын
@@xFactoryUSA I know that btw
@mcdadcoleman
@mcdadcoleman 2 жыл бұрын
Now try it in the cold and see how it does. (Having owned two EVs in Colorado)
@1DirtyMutt
@1DirtyMutt 2 жыл бұрын
Well there is your problem, your headquarters is in Boulder Colorado! It would also be interesting to see this test done across Nebraska or Kansas…
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