This film nearly didn’t get made . In the BBC4 documentary on the BTF film unit head Edgar Anstey called Bob Paynter and Bob Krish into his office and said the tram is coming off the road next week. We haven’t got hardly any library pictures of these teams we must record it. Bob said let’s film it. Edgar said No No there’s no film in it nothing there to record just go and take a photograph of the chairman shaking hands. Luckily the went out and recorded this film with additional dialogue. When Edgar found out about this film then called Bob Krish into his office and sacked him. LT were not happy about the film as they knew the public would be up in arms about the trams going . Edgar Anstey still put his name on the film tho and the rest as they say is history..
@InCAdocumentaries5 жыл бұрын
I was seven years old, living in Croydon, in July 1952. I had seen the trams in High Street Croydon, until they disappeared in 1951. I begged my Dad to take me to those Last Tram Week celebrations, and he did. We went up to New Cross Gate and rode backwards and forwards on the 36, 38, 72 for most of the day. That could be me in the film, writing down tram numbers in a booklet. I must have seen the “Elephant Will Never Forget” film a dozen times, and it still brings tears to my eyes. It all seems a long time ago, but in many ways a simpler and warmer time...
@lordoarco3 жыл бұрын
Wait what?!
@lordoarco3 жыл бұрын
Well, thank you gentleman
@warmike2 жыл бұрын
In the film, the numbers in the book were buses, not trams.
@WallaseyanTube9 ай бұрын
@@warmike Some of the numbers are tram numbers.
@willybee30568 жыл бұрын
That made me sniffle, and I don't even live in London . good job...
@jusb10668 жыл бұрын
+Willy Bee glad you enjoyed it
@AECEntertainment8 жыл бұрын
the same thing happened in Swansea in the 60s. bloody shame!
@TramcarTrev6 жыл бұрын
Yes, always get a tear in my eye watching this...
@casual_boredom71954 жыл бұрын
@@AECEntertainment Don't get me started on Glasgow's, bloody shame indeed. But we'll need em' back soon I suppose with traffic just like they did in Croyden. So not all is lost, but still an era even with new trams we'll all still miss, even as a foreigner.
@thegardener63428 жыл бұрын
It's a lovely film. What I find fascinating, as a Londoner (but far too young to have known London's trams in operation), is seeing scenes of places I know well from well before my time, eg the South Bank when it was brand new and a window on a world that seems like a foreign country; even the accents have changed (think of Lord Latham's speech at about 9 mins 50 sec), let alone dress styles and street furniture. There is a book about the end of London's trams that also covers the making of the film and apparently the elderly couple featured in the film (starting at about 3 minutes) were a couple of "volunteers" from a pensioners' club in Lewisham. The song "Riding on Top of the Car" is so redolent of a vanished and more innocent era; have a search on You Tube as there are a number of recordings of the full song. "Spooning" apparently, was 1910s slang for kissing and cuddling. The footage at about 8 min 20 sec is far from London; it is the Wearmouth Bridge in Sunderland.
@jusb10667 жыл бұрын
indeed its the more subtle aspects of the film that i enjoy too, the change in the people, surroundings, the way we lived
@sem-zs3nl4 ай бұрын
"The trams and the rain and the streets of South London" A line which somehow brings the past to life for me more than any other. I'm on the cusp of starting a new job as a conductor on a heritage tramway, and I have this beautiful film to thank for inspiring my love of first generation trams.
@harri26263 жыл бұрын
What a wonderful film. I love the music hall singing which brings tears to my eyes, as most of the singers will have done their courting "on top of a car". The film clips representing the early days of the trams show London horse buses, then a horse tram crossing a Sunderland bridge, then Leeds City Square. Still, it was the thought that counted.
@Martin-rg3rf4 ай бұрын
Thanks Rob for sharing Elephants will never forget as I was born in London in 1957 and never saw the trams. It's too bad London managers did not have the foresight to keep the tram system as in San Francisco which remains a gem and a eco friendly, and efficient form of people transport .
@adamdrummer19913 жыл бұрын
When Archie Harradine starts singing with the Lewisham Darby and Joan Club I just cry so much because the message is so lovely and it is a beautiful melody.
@PzVITiger131 Жыл бұрын
Do you have any information about the recording ?
@adamdrummer1991 Жыл бұрын
@@PzVITiger131 I don’t unfortunately but I assume it was recorded in a theatre in London somewhere. Great acoustics. Shame about the recording quality. I suppose someone could do a cover of it in a similar setting
@PerCPH2200 Жыл бұрын
The story I read in a book (which I of course cannot remember more about now) was that it was recorded quickly with crude equipment in some social club just around the time the last trams ran, the summer of 1952. The editors of the film were horrified over the poor technical quality of the recording, and had to commission a new at significant expense - in the middle of the winter 1952/1953. They commented, that the winter conditions made the elderly people less cheerful than in the original recording, so they were not overly happy, but the technical quality had to determine which take was used. I am not aware this actual soundtrack was released in any other form that in the film.
@alistairsinclair299411 ай бұрын
@@PerCPH2200 It must have been recorded at Stanstead Lodge, 260 Stanstead Road, Lewisham. The Lewisham Darby and Jones Club was located there, and its successor 'The Stanstead Lodge Seniors Club' is still there.
@RGC1984 жыл бұрын
Excellent video. I was born in August 1952 only a month after the London tram system closed.
@jusb10664 жыл бұрын
It was all gone before me too, my dad had a ticket for last tram week as he lived in London, which he kept for decades, himself only. About 15
@paulkemnater92162 жыл бұрын
very nice and nostalgic movie ! great thanks for posting !
@simonr27493 жыл бұрын
Wonderful BTF doc, beautifully shot and edited, with a great commentary. John Krish was famously sacked by Edgar Anstey for making this.
@jusb10663 жыл бұрын
Thank you for adding a little bit more info
@helenblakemore42014 жыл бұрын
😥😥😥 Fabulous video, I watched it after it was mentioned in ‘Seats of London’, a fantastic book about moquette on London transport over the years. So sad that the trams were long gone before I arrived in London! 💗
@jusb10664 жыл бұрын
I would loved to have seen London before modern architecture, ideally before ww2 of course
@emjayay3 жыл бұрын
"Seats of London" (2019) is really well written and designed, is a convenient size and not that expensive. It's also covers a lot more than moquette (the cloth bus and Tube seat coverings). Apparently the trams used leather or some kind of fake leather.
@johnupton17232 жыл бұрын
This is rhe fineat London Transport film ever made.
@trebuh3 жыл бұрын
The proliferation of the automobile and the planning of cities around it has been far more damaging to European cities than the blitz.
@samanli-tw3id3 жыл бұрын
The end of London trams began in 30s, well before the blitz. When WW2 had began, two thirds of London’s tram network had already been removed.
@iainclark5964 Жыл бұрын
Actually many cities in Europe like Dresden were lovingly restored or many of their buildings were. British planners decided to complete the work of the Luftwaffe and destroy many historic cities, Coventry is a good example.
@MikeGMcDermott2 жыл бұрын
It still angers me to this day when I see a feat of subterranean engineering like the Kingsway tram subway and it's just doing nothing apart from the southern end of the subway which was rebuilt to become the one-way Strand Underpass in 1964.
@jusb10662 жыл бұрын
all the beeching rail closures, impossible to undo, but all those lines now needed
@jusb10662 жыл бұрын
near me , theres a 30 year plan to have a london underground extension, an entire industrial estate is earmarked, just 1/8 mile from a beeching closure branch line and station in the early 60s'''...just before a huge housing estate and massive expansion of the town in that direction
@PAPATexas6 жыл бұрын
The end of the trams, very nice video!
@iainclark59642 жыл бұрын
A classic amoung so many BTF gems
@pdevine19592 жыл бұрын
Lovely film.
@neilclay58354 жыл бұрын
Thanks for that.
@jusb10664 жыл бұрын
Welcome... I don't know how much longer it will stay. they seem to be taking down the videos one by one
@neilclay58354 жыл бұрын
@@jusb1066 Sorry to hear that. Would Vimeo suit your channel better? They're not so view-metrics obsessed. Best wishes.
@jusb10664 жыл бұрын
@@neilclay5835 I don't know i guess the right holders it just clamping down. It's not like I make any money, but just don't want anybody else to show it.. I put them up back when they were abandoned and uninteresting and not on KZfaq.. I've lost several that I don't have the files for anyway.. I had about 10 that have been lost now.. nothing more to it than interesting to see.
@TramcarTrev6 жыл бұрын
Question: why were the trolley poles offset on these cars?
@jusb10666 жыл бұрын
looks like because of narrow british streets, the streetlights overhang and thus have to move everything over out of the way 2:48 is a perfect view
@MrLukealbanese2 жыл бұрын
There was one on either end so they were offset relative to each other so they missed each other's swivelling bases when in operation (obviously one was always down in operation). Naturally they use dthe conduit system in the inner area and both poles were 'down'.
@dorateyhopkins4 жыл бұрын
What is playing at around the 7th minute? Anyone knows?
@nostalgiccameralife3 жыл бұрын
It's just a variation on Riding On Top of the Car, same melody, different key.
@dorateyhopkins3 жыл бұрын
@@nostalgiccameralife Thank you! Yet I can't find the original that you are referring to. Could you please share it? It sounds heartbreakingly beautiful here.
@nostalgiccameralife3 жыл бұрын
@@dorateyhopkins It's developed off the melody of the song they sing in the film, listen specifically to the melody of "go go go for a ride" at 3:30 then listen to theme at 6:20 - most of the background music is variations on that basic tune. The composer, Edward Williams only just passed away in 2013. Maybe somebody still has sheet music or recordings used in the film?
@enwhy78106 ай бұрын
2:34 an elephant never forgets 9/11
@massivel8 ай бұрын
Terrible eyesore. Thank god they got rid of them.
@dancedecker8 ай бұрын
Yes, dreadful weren't they? Massively popular, eco friendly and made profit year on year. Dreadful, eh? That's why Croydon in London has now brought them back, with others wanting to and hugely successful they are too. What a ridiculous statement.
@massivel7 ай бұрын
I am not messing around when i say that my boyfriend uses my youtube account to troll people sometimes and i believe that he made that comment to mess with people. I love the tram. Funny enough so does he loll@@dancedecker
@dancedecker7 ай бұрын
@@massivel OK. Fair enough. Thought it was a bit extreme. Lol.
@hansemist6 жыл бұрын
Too bad they didn't have any diesel trams..
@jusb10666 жыл бұрын
hmm , why would that be an advantage?
@hansemist6 жыл бұрын
Batteries or Gas trams?
@jusb10666 жыл бұрын
these trams had electric lines overhead, and actually small battery so they could move them a short distance, later on we had trolleybuses, which still had the electric rails. but on the ground they had tyres and not tracks in the ground, they looked just like buses too. then we went to gasoline and diesel, but during the war there were the odd gas bag on the roof buses too.
@colinjohnston85195 жыл бұрын
They did. They didn't even require rails. They were called buses..
@emjayay3 жыл бұрын
@@jusb1066 London also got rid of the electric buses, but they continued in some cities in North America like San Francisco and maybe Toronto or Vancouver.