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Mohamed Mohamedy And so you are content with what you have and are at peace, and not a slave because you are not governed by what you can not control. Did it ever occur to you that a little planning and some forethought might save you some of the things that happen because you are not in control?

Yes of course , Our home is solar power, we harvest rain water and recycle it with a product called the BIOlan and we compost our waste. We can not be shut down by the Government that has taken away our human rights by forcing us to but a negative conveyance on our land that states we can never have city water on the land and we can not have a flush toilet in our home. Why, because we would not install a septic tank and septic field , a device that would only pollute the lake we live on so we could not do that and so we are attacked by the Government . We live in Canada people ! Free your selves of course they fear that. Bring back the soil , save the water and lets stop shitting in it. That's there biggest fear that one day there wont be enough people to push the shit through the pipe. mike

He was still a slave, in a different situation.

Epictetus taught Aurelius?

hobobum1216 idk bro, personally i feel like real G’s are silent like lasagna

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Yes, that's what I understood as well

A lot of concentration really. Since every point he makes holds definitions to unpack the truth of later points. Which makes thr points he is making denser and denser as he move along towards the end of the book. In the first point, he consider body as others...which explains in point 14 when he says in order to be free you'd have to wish or decline nothing as long as it depends on others. All is others except mind (opinion, memory, knowledge).

same here

The Hermit brother!

I thought I was the only one.

i sleep listening to Marcus Aurelius. Sometimes Seneca and Aristotle too.

@@rizzamaeong does it work?

john miller So freaking glad to hear that there are others whom are benefiting from such a text. I hope it all goes well for you John.

Thanks Victor, same for you my friend.

Just to update a year + later. I'm still working on the Stoic path. I've made small but consistent steps in progress. I feel less anxiety, fear and hopelessness but my life situation has gotten harder/more difficult actually. Plus I know now that the door is always open.

Good luck on your journey John.

@@johnmiller7453 Thank you so much for the update of your life.

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a good via negativia philosophy, no doubt, but what about via positivia?? Why to consider many things to be others and have no control upon, like one's body, friends and family and strangers?? When in fact we always do have a share in controlling those to a certain degree wither we like it or not. Those makes up the most significant part of the nature one is urged to live in accordance with.

I injected too much philosophys now im suffering brain palpitations

agreed

100% very calming

Which pandemic? Covid or narcissism?

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ROFLOLGAMER yes!

Knowledge obtained is not malleable because settled thoughts are refining. To serve purpose is the point, please stop purposely serving.

Do you still listen to this every night?

@@therelaxingchannel8852 not every night, it inspired me to get audible and i’ve since listened to over 3000 hours of books :D

No its not

@@tonycosta3336 Ok mr. Edgy

Yes, it appears hard at first.

lol very

No there is not, considering someone had to translate it from Ancient Greek. Lots of hands touched this work before it arrived crisply-recorded, for free, within a ten-second search on your merely $400 portable computer.

@@johncavanaugh3960 Indeed !!!

@@edwardholohan9447 whoosh

The episode about stoicism is actually "Puhoy"

Have you ever noticed that there’s a date written in the back of the book in the show? And the date is this year.

@@carlosvaldivieso5307 what do you think it means

Nothing has changed. They were just like us back then.

People have been building and sleeping, and exchanging money, for some 5,000 years, my friend. This is not old.

Teddy Scribner Same lmao, @Elisha Long

Why not?

Ahiba Sabala I'm not sure this philosophy was created to make you feel nothing for people, but maybe to make you feel less for them. The NHS in Britain use cognitive behavioural therapy (which was originally based on the ideas of Stoicism) to help people get over anxiety, depression and personality disorders. And due to life being a tragedy to those that feel too much, it is a great idea to practice the works of the likes of Epictetus to bring you up to were most people are in terms of sensitivity to life or others, thus balancing the status quo. I agree with you though that if you're already fairly content with your life then this philosphy may do more harm than good, but horses for courses I suppose.

Stoicism is good for leaders and people who have great responsibilities over the life of others. Such people cannot have the luxury of passions. Passion is for the plebs whose decisions will likely not harm others. Reason does extinguish passion but beware because you must take the good passions with the bad. Your love always ends in sorrow because no love lasts forever. The greater your love the greater the inevitable sorrow.

Well, there are a few interpretations of this statement. The point he is making is that the loss of the thing (cup, child, wife) is not itself a bad thing, only our perception of it is what makes it bad. He is not saying that you should not love intensely, just that if that love is lost, you should not feel overly mournful, as that love is not in our control. But yeah, stoics so get a bad rap for being emotionless, even though that’s not the whole story.

southchum101 how

FINN AND JACK

Ethan Anderson, Finn also has an "Inchiridion" . The guide for heroes. But he uses it only to sit on whenever the grass is wet, so he gives it to a bear that wishes to be like him.

Your English is pretty good.

+Poly Eurasian Many ancient philosophers are extreme, as they had little time to do philosophy. Philosophy was serious business. They did not have the crazy amount of free time we have. Leisure for us as laziness, for them it was philosophy.

+wolfdwarf Yeah, I used to think philosophers were asking silly questions like, "What is the nature of a rock?". "What is essence of blue?".Now I would say political/ moral philosophy is still serious business. Is an ideology anything more than a bunch of people adopting someone else's or a few peoples philosophy?

+BayanTheOne We are also slaves. Just not physically.

+BayanTheOne and not a great deal of our lives are in our control.

+wolfdwarf still not to the same extent as for a slave

+BayanTheOne I'm not so convinced. We are *really* limited in our freedom.

wolfdwarf fine

With the body there are certain aspects you can control, and others you cannot. You can control what you put into your body, what you eat, exercise etc however you can’t fully control things such as a broken leg, birth deficiencies, amputation stuff like that. But rather control what you can and endure/live with the rest. You can control who you are friends with and even family you associate with, however you can’t control their actions and how they choose to lead their lives.

@@jamesschmidt2817 what we can control and understand is actually what we call life. Misunderstanding more resembles death than life. However, there is a variation of death that we seem to understand (like suicide, murder, haunting, chemistry..etc)

hahahaa...

"I poop therefore I am" - Dr. Phil 1918

The "dark emotions", as you put it, are always "up to you". Fear, for example, is only "dark" if you choose to view that situation unproportionally to the actual threat (afraid of a mouse say) or act like a fool around something that is really dangerous (a man with a gun for example). Lust is only "dark" if you choose to mistreat your spouse (have an affair for example). Envy is only "dark" if you don't learn more about yourself etc. They are only "dark" because of your character and your choices. A wise person utilizes the "dark emotions" and lives a virtuous life (what the ancients called Eudaimonia) - hence Shakespeares famous Stoic inspired line "Give me that man,That is not passion's slave, and I will wear him In my heart's core, ay, in my heart of heart". Emotions for the Stoics have more to do with actions than sensations: pretty obvious given that we have sensations during all walking life that have nothing to do with emotions. That is, emotions for the Stoics exist in-the-world. They are not "in us". Emotions relate to what the Stoics called "indifferent items". For example if I am disgusted by the look of an apple, then the indifferent item is the apple and my disgust necessarily relates to the apple. By "indifferent" the Stoics mean having no intrinsic moral value. A simple way to understand this is with the example of Parental love. Parental love necessarily means you have/had a child. Here your relation to the child is the indifferent item. That is, parental love doesn't exist as a sensation, let alone "in us" or in "the mind". For the Stoics that relation to you child has no moral intrinsic value (unlike you and the child who do). Rather parental love exists through your actions, or in social space one might say (your behavior around the indifferent item). However, although the indifferent items don't have "intrinsic moral value" they do have "instrumental moral value". Just as a hammer has instrumental value for hammering some nails into a piece of wood (you use it for something), the social relation to your child has instrumental value for the choices you make concerning the child: It is up to you whether you choose to act virtuously around your child for example (this is why the indifferent items have "instrumental value", They are "instruments" for your "choices" - and unwise choices lead to what you called "dark emotions"). For example parents who abuse their children use the social relation (the indifferent item) unwisely and the abuse is a product of their character and choices (the parents intrinsic moral value, which in this example is filled with vice) Finally Evolutionary theory has its roots in Cartesianism and is based around the "nature" and "nature" divide that the Stoics would not understand. When the Stoics discuss "nature" they mean both nature (social upbringing) and nurture (biological constitution). Man is necessarily a social animal for the Stoics (unlike Cartesianism), and mankind is part of the lager whole: the lager whole being "nature".

Eh, you see. The stoics, except for Epictetus, talked too much. They got carried away with their own fanciful illusions. "Morality", "Wisdom", they are just words worshipped as absolutes. They are no more real than the ancient Gods. Epicurus presented a much more sensible system. One free of false idols. Right living not for it's own sake, but because it is the most practical path to a peaceful, tranquil life. Whilst in a pinch, let the demons roar. And I mean that metaphorically of course.

Roman Brown Thank you for your presentation of a "fanciful illusion". Luckily, I'm not an idiot, and so i don't believe everything people say (especially without argument or reference) Doesn't Epicurus, unlike Epictetus, speak of "reality consisting of atoms" that his philosophy was based on!!!!! I didn't realize that parental love consisted of unwitnessed atoms, "free" of "false idols". I'm no expert, but isn't Epicurus just a bog standard hedonist? I'd rather listen to J.S Mill in that regard. Ever changed a dirty nappy? it isn't pleasurable. I'll pick the best public (unlike "atoms") models of virtue to emulate thank you. "the meaning of a word is its use in the language" thus spoke Epictetus, PRE-Wittgenstein

Uhhh.....ok.

Roman Brown yes, these demons are means of self-preservation and survival, a product of evolution, biologically driven strategies and this is what we share with the animal world and therefore live in a similarly competitive and more or less ruthless environment but humans have the ability to override and raise above them, to break the vicious circle of submission to instincts, impulses and drives

Rather Kant leaning on a Stoic. First things first...

Epictetus totally copied kant

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I feel stoicism is useful for the small and medium things of importance in life, learning not to blow a gasket when we don't get financial success, or accepting we haven't received recognition for our work, or dealing with minor pains and illnesses. But for the major things like the loss of a loved one, or extreme pain and illness, it just doesn't add up. Forcing oneself to not feel pain can at those times denies life its full passion, and seems like selfishness, or cowardice.

Understanding that the core tenants of Stoicism are concisely, and quite eloquently, expressed through the well-known "Serenity Prayer" has been a great help in the application of the philosophy to ones life. The prayer asks that a God grant them the attributes of serenity, strength, and wisdom; whereas Stoic philosophy relies on oneself to accept these are already present within us all, while encouraging us to be ever mindful and present in the moment. Stoicism is not about shutting off emotions, but understanding that mentally healthy people cannot shut them off, we can only reign over how much control we choose to forfeit to them by not controlling our reactions to those emotions. Serenity to accept what you cannot control. Strength to control those things that are within or control. And, Wisdom to know the difference between them.

@@Ahibasabala Totally agree with what you said. Some of his views are just too extreme to apply in certain situations in life.

He does say that you may choose to be upset but know that it is a choice, if you choose to be attached to something then it is natural to have to be sad when you lose it. Don't lament at what is your choice for if you choose it, it is free and must bring you "good".