Yea… I realize that the old business class is 2-2-2 not 2-3-2 on the A350… whoops

Welcome to Lufthansa’s Alleg…err…Philippine Airlines business class cabin!

MUC-YVR on May 2nd was never supposed to fly with the new Allegris cabin. It's always been announced as rotating between MUC-YVR and MUC-YYZ since mid-April

Me: Can I have Allegris? Lufthansa:NO

It actually wasnt a swap and Lufthansa informed well in advance that only every 2nd day on this route they operate Allegris flights due to only a few aircrafts already been refurnished. It started on May 1st hence the next flight would have been May 3rd.

Wow...way to rub it in Lufthansa! "Welcome on board to our Allegris..oh wait. This ain't Allegris BUT, here's a book on what you COULD HAVE been experiencing"!🤣🤣🤣. The seat, while fully reclined is a bit claustrophobic for me. I think I can safely say that we're all bummed that you couldn't experience the Allegris product. Hoping that you do hear back from Lufthansa WITH a free flight!! Looking forward to that!!!

Thanks for the info + video!

I'm super impressed by how well you handled an infuriating situation. Stay classy, Pat! ❤

Glad you finally did a flight to YVR! I hope you enjoyed your time in Vancouver

I hope to fly on Allegris soon as I'm a huge lufthansa fan. Too bad your equipment got swapped... great video!

Great Video And Info

"Plenty" good reviews Patrick

COOL travel vlog!

Hi Patrick, that narrated reaction when you came onboard that particular Lufthansa A350 is EPIC. Well, at least, you finally experienced the new Business Class offering of Philippine Airlines! In the words of its wonderful cabin crew, "MABUHAY..." Jokes aside, equipment swaps really put airlines on notorious reputations. Though I'd still be grateful to have THIS Business Class if I were to hop on one, I'd kinda feel bittersweet since it's not the one I'm expecting. When I went to Japan for the first time, I thought I'd be hopping on an A321neo, and voila, I was given the older low-cost carrier cabin of an A321-200.

Lufthansa and their group are an absolute no go for me! This and many other inconveniences are common

What a bummer you didn't get to experience the new cabin! :-( Only equipment swap that I've experienced was VS A330-900neo for... the A333. It wasn't horrible but definitely not what I paid for, lol.

What a downer! But you made the best of it. United e-swapped my flight once. I was upgraded to First from DEN to LAX originally on a 737, then they swapped on that day to a 777-200ER (with Polaris pods), and kept my cabin class so I was assigned an actual Polaris pod to enjoy on my freebie upgrade! Sure it was only a 2.5 hour flight, but it's the same hard product.

I'm a little surprised by what you say about the sudden change of aircraft. I myself tried to book a flight aboard D-AIXT (the A350 equipped with the Allegris cabin) back on April 16 (when Lufthansa officially announced the aircraft's inaugural destination). It was announced that the very first Allegris flight would take place on May 1st between Munich and Vancouver. However, there was no announcement confirming that this cabin would be in service on the same route on May 2. In fact, a search for Allegris-equipped flights on that date (I speak from experience, having searched several times myself) quickly revealed that D-AIXT would be operating the Munich-Toronto route. This had been announced on the Lufthansa website/app since April 16. This was confirmed by the airline's press release of the same day: "The first Airbus A350 equipped with Allegris will fly from Munich to the Canadian metropolis of Vancouver. The second destination is Toronto, which will be served alternately with Vancouver on selected flights in the first few months". The idea of alternation is clearly indicated.

Bummer dude 😢, still not a horrible flight ✈️

Great review . Its a bummer about the swap . I gotta say , I would have gone for the 747 or A340 . Lufthansa seems to be the only airline still flying them . Glad you got to experience the Queen of the sky

Dear Patrick, I often enjoy your video inputs. Thank you! As a FF with Lufthansa for many years pre-Covid time, I cut-up my cobranded LH Credit Card and sent it back to them as the overall service from around 2018 onwards was increasingly awful. Awful/inedible food onboard, ground service 'appalling' for Business Class both short-haul and long-haul. Unless one has 'top' FF status or flying First Class, one is relegated to completely 'mediocre' lounges in Biz Class in so many destinations/departures. Embarrassingly, so! I won't add more, as I am 'fed-up' complaining about LH 'service'. I voted with my money/business some time ago and just wish to share that unless LH has an incredible transformation somehow in the next few years, I sincerely recommend that NO person travel with Lufthansa for a) value for money...b) reliability...constant employee 'strikes' and bad attitude c) safety....as per example evidence above.

At 01:26: This image is great. It shows the signage on the traditional colours guiding Eco pax by bright green, Business using bright blue and First with a real read. The new colours which can be seen through the booking process are more washed out and of the sad colour type. 😕

Regarding the question about a European or American carrier: I recently flew Iberia and British business class to and back from JFK and both were amazing. Great food especially. Comfy enough cabin and amazing staff. So whilst I never tried a North American carrier I do not mind taking a European one!

Hey! I wouldn’t mind this seat. Just a little side note: there is no 2-3-2 business class on the a350s, only in the 747-400 (not on the -8i). Hope you had a great time in beautiful Vancouver!

well at least that deck view at MUC is stellar and meal service looked decent. the approach to YVR from the east is indeed quite stunning. i flew Lufthansa to Spain in 2013 and it was quite heavenly back then. i sympathize with your extreme disappointment here.

That’s what you call a business class bummer 😂 #patwascrushed

Wait the coke cup 15:33 is for Eurowings? 😂

"Because of how walkable Europe is and there for how transit centered everything is"..... Heathrow says hi. 🙂 I was waiting for the 2-3-2 as well. So this is a swing and a miss, but not a total"hit in the back by a fastball" situation. Then again it is LH, I have never understood the love the airline gets.

This somewhat happened with me on Etihad too. They went far and beyond telling the world that their A380s would be returning on June 15th 2023 on the London route. I booked by flight on that day specifically to be on this flight. A few days before departure, I was sent an email of an aircraft change. It was now a B777! I was furious. I wanted to be part of history that day and they ruined it for me. I get it, safety is priority…but please, it’s not hard to get the date right, especially after telling everyone the date of return. It felt like fraud almost…

I only fancied the meals, superb!, but the seats? yet again..."unremarkable " you've flown on nicer and better seats, have you not?, but as always I fancied your reviews quite a lot...still making my hard days more "manageable"...thanks for that Patrick

You say Toronto a lot like we do - Toronno .... Did someone teach you or is that the similarities between California and Ontario accent?

Hello Patrick...did you view the recent LH KZfaq video entitled 'Unsafe Lufthansa Flight'?

Shame about the equipment change. I actually quite like AA’s J product and service especially their 2 row mini cabin on the 777-300ER. That said my next four hops across the pond are on British Airways in First on the A380 and 777.

How many hours did you sleep on the plane?

1:59 Formula 1 trying out their new vehicles in the background

European carriers every time! Polaris is not a benchmark C class product. Crews that dress & present themselves well with enthusiasm for the job and for the most part understanding of good customer service. Interesting food choices that are elegantly presented and not just a step up from Burger King or Taco Bell. Menus that are not used as advertising billboards. Good coffee, Starbucks is NOT coffee. Snacks not full of sugar & preservatives etc. Welcome drink in a glass although to be fair haven’t seen plastic cups used on US carriers for a while. General attention to detail that is so often lacking with North American carriers makes for a far more pleasurable flight than whether an aircraft is equipped with the latest generation of seats.

I dont condone Lufthansa for this but apparently Lufthansa is just switching that single plane between Toronto, Vancouver, Montreal, and Chicago this whole month.

If you flew out on May 2nd that’s just poor planning on your side, sorry. Lufthansa announced well in advance that they would operate D-AIXT in turns to both YVR and YYZ.

This is what Lufthansa is.

That’s my home airport yvr

9.700

Flip Flop just did a review that points out serious safety issues with his LH flight. There was no preflight safety presentation. They only did one when he pointed it out to a FA and then the Purser while in flight. Dirty plane, messy crew and mediocre food. I will not fly them. They are arrogant and deserve to be avoided.

Sorry for your disappoitment. Wish you will get the chance in the future. Keep the good work.

I just stepped off an Allegris flight a short while ago, also on a trip booked just for it. I know I would have been crushed too if I had the equipment swapped on me, but now that I’ve flown it, and have calmed down from the excitement, I can look back and say it didn’t really feel like anything special. The hard product is years late and LH’s soft product is still lagging behind in many ways. I’ll never forget the flights I’ve taken on airlines like SQ and BR, and their seats are years old. This LH flight just wasn’t memorable to me, despite the product having just launched.

Patrick if you know any Spotters in San Francisco they knew that D-AIVA-AIVD had these registrations RP-C3503-3507 because they came from a 2016 Philippine Airlines order for A350-900 HGW. There is a difference in the economy class section between these ones and the Lufthansa owned versions AC Plugs in All classes. While D-AIVA-AIVD🇩🇪 MNL-SFO/MNL-JFK passengers PR104/114/126 registration listings RP-C3503-3507🇵🇭, only the Mabuhay and comfort class passengers get the plugs with USB while the fiesta class passengers (PR Economy) do not have plugs. How did you like the trip Patrick? if you want to fly them in the original operator you need to make sure that the flight to Manila from SFO PR105 is scheduled with D-AIVA-AIVD original registrations RP-C3503-3507 Sisterships 3501 & 3508 is scheduled . otherwise you will need to fly San Francisco to JFK for PR126.

isnt that the PAL cabin

Hey Patrick, another great video. That's why I don't fly Lufthansa, our "flagship carrier", when I can avoid it. Luckily they already got their fifth star taken away a few years ago, however what they offer is three stars max. Especially with the price they charge for their shitty old busines class and their service. So you can call yourself lucky at least getting a former Philippine Airlines jet with a modern business class cabin. You always need to see the positive when flying Lufthansa😊, especially with the price they charge for their product and the mediocre (at max) service they offer. I'm repeating myself... As Carsten Spohr (CEO) said at their last press conference im March, I think: "we wanna be premium." That's when I thought: then offer premium at a reasonable price and not charge premium for the old shit you offer. Sound's like I'm upset when talking about that airline? Well, I am! Unfortunately for you, they currently use the only allegris equipped jet they have right now on the 1st, 3rd, 5th etc. May to Vancouver and 2nd, 4th, 6th etc. May to Toronto. So I think one day later and you would've been lucky again. But I would've already called myself lucky aboard that former Phillipine Airlines jet business class. Have a kick-ass Sunday!

I've always chosen European carriers over US carriers on long-haul flights by default, but I totally agree with what you're saying about US carriers improving their product faster than European carriers. I've now come to prefer US carriers over BA. I live in the UK and visit my family and friends in South Carolina at least twice a year, and at present JetBlue and United have a much better product than BA and Delta is slightly better than BA. The only US carrier that lags behind BA or KLM is American. On my last trip to the US I flew BA MAN-LHR-ATL and had a disappointing experience.

Lounges of LH are horrible crowded huge queues to enter

Between the equipment swap you experienced and the safety issues on The Flip Flop Traveller's recent Lufthansa trip they airline isn't doing very well. The food looked terrible. Your silence about the taste of it speaks volumes.

There should be laws preventing airlines from doing aircraft changes if the reason for them is not of a technical nature... It happens far too often nowadays.

I abandoned you vid once learning it wasn’t Allegris… so why not abandon the flight until you could be on Allegris? Think I would have walked off. Contract of carriage doesn’t guarantee seat type but PR can be damaging!

The non Lufthansa terminal in Munich is a joke - either for arrivals or departures. I’d even call it an embarrassment. I’ve been traveling to it for the past 16 years both for work and pleasure and I think it’s gotten worse over the years.

You trashed the lounge. But you'd had noticed the senator lounge was more spacious. Business lounge is not to be compared to polaris.

I truly hate equiptment swaps. Also Airline swaps, like booked on Singapore then operated by LH

Don't expect compensation. I've been waiting 12 months for a 12 hour delay and I'm a lifetime senator member. To the point I've been avoiding Lufthansa group since January of this year and spent over £30K with other non star alliance airlines. Money that would have gone automatically to Lufthansa group

Lufthansa has completely lost the plot at this point. To just act like nothing happened is typical. I avoid them at all costs as I'm not as forgiving as you are.

Perhaps when you actually do your Allegris video, you can skip Business Class and go right on to First Class and the first content creator to do so?

Isn't this 1-2-1?

Lufthansa has definitely fallen in the ranks.

Go United. I’ll only fly Lufthansa if I have to.

Iam Flying Blue So KLM AIR FRANCE

I refuse to fly Lufthansa unless I am in First Class. Their Business Class lounges aren't very good and they only let Star Alliance Gold and Senator members into their more superior Senator Lounge. If I were you, I would have deplaned and asked to be rebooked on the next Allegris flight.

I flew with Lufthansa back in 2021 it was my worst experience as an aviation geek and I signed off never to use them again

HA~~ha!🤣

I would be very unhappy with this equipment swap. Scamhansa should be held responsible! (ps at least you still got the ex-philippine airlines 1-2-1 business seat)

Unbelievable. Don’t understand the rational behind the unexplained switch. You are kinder than I would have been.

Lufthansa is a bummer. Always was, always will be. Even the Allegris concept is not state-of-the art. Any Gulf based airline got a more sophisticated product. For me stands: LH, avoid at any circumstances.

Aircraft changes can happen, to claim this is an issue with Lufthansa is just ridiculous.

Food looks good, but sorry, Polaris seats are head and shoulders above these ones. I was in Polaris yesterday, so much more space. In 9L the footwell was massive. No comparison…

It literally was Allegris. Smh

Equipment swaps suck and sorry you didn’t end up in allegris, but your comment about Qatar and ending up in a 2-3-2 does not make sense. Worst on Qatar business is a 2-2-2 as far as I know.

When reading through the comments here I really have to laugh. Everybody singing the same complain song about Lufthansa’s equipment change, what are you? Kids flying for the first time? They do equipment changes all the time. And with the few planes that have this Alegris Business Class then to book a flight that should have this seat, and then being upset they did an equipment change? Get a life kiddos. P.S. Is it a disgrace that it takes LH years to have a first plane equipped with the new C seat after its big fanfare introduction a few years back? Absolutely. Is it a disgrace that it will take LH another eternity to get the new seat pushed to the rest of their fleet? Absolutely. But whine about equipment change.. 😂😂😂

OK, equipment swaps happen, they suck, and they are beyond the control of passengers. So why then take the time and effort to just add to the 5,000 other KZfaq videos of a 10-year-old product and then tag it with "Allegris"?

Thank Fk you didn't get the 2-3-2 otherwise I would have been livid!