@@ts8404 oh my god really? that is so disrespectful

@@ts8404 bruh tf that’s messed up, honestly people should stop pitting women against each other.

@@ts8404 Not a surprise. A vile worm of a man, despite his talents. He tried to force himself on Tippi Hedren (actress for "Marnie" and "The Birds") multiple times and threatened her career prospects and mental stability when she resisted.

I think it's so interesting Mina highlighted Audrey Hepburn wasn't associated with children because her on-screen personas were childish//sexually infantilised, because on the flip side of that, Marilynn Monroe reportedly also adored children but wasn't associated with them because her on-screen personas were 'over-sexed' bombshells. It could be super interesting for Mina to further discuss how we view old-timey celebrities more as the characters they played and the mythos surrounding their lives than the actual people they were.

wow. cause it's totally not enough to be an awesome person, no, you always need to be better than other woman, definitely. (in case not clear: sarcasm uwu)

for real women have no peace

Lets just meet every woman in The World and make a pact to get buffed

@@elmstreet2036 lol should we 🤔😏

what the hell they’re both stunning women!!! who could find anything to criticise? mind blowing.

@@raahimas2776 because the media can't breathe without pitting women against eachother, its their oxygen

This is such an excellent point!

I did not even think of the classism issue, good point

This

The fact that she was the daughter of a diplomat may have something to do with how people saw her as upperclass, but I doubt it. Most people didn't know this fact about her since her father was a Nazi sympathizer and had left her and her mother, and she and her mother were left for starving during the war. She didn't feel comfortable talking about this abandonment till later in her life. Yes, it's true that she spoke many different languages but i wouldn't say this was due to privilege as you seem to want to point out. I assume yes she had gone to better schools than Marilyn, but most of her experiences in different countries was because she was trying to get away from Nazi rule with her mom

@@kurisucosmo7954 her relationship with her father is indeed complex and not something that is mentioned a lot tbh but I do maintain that coming from a place of lost privilege shaped her upbringing and her world view. When you are raised by a mother who has had access to culture, who travelled more than 99.99% of the rest of the population, who has evolved in high circles, it's almost inevitable that certain values, certain attitudes will be passed down to you. When you compare with Marilyn, whose father had completely disappeared from the picture and whose mother was unequipped to raise, it's night and day.

Curvy is about shape not size. Audrey had a 14 inch difference between her waist and hips, vastly curvier than most women including Marilyn. We need to stop using curvy as a euphemism and use it for it's literal meaning.

@@balthasardenner5216 Audrey had a 14 inch difference? I don't believe that sorry. Where's the proof? That would make her waist like 20 inches? And it would have been obvious if she had that much of an hourglass figure.

@@melliexcx She did have a 20 inch waist. She typically didn't wear clothes showing off her figure, but there are outfits in My Fair Lady and Sabrina where you can see her figure. There are also some publicity shots for Sabrina where she is wearing a very simple all-black outfit and her figure is very apparent.

@@balthasardenner5216 you can see her figure most certainly. But I think 14 inches might be a bit of an exaggeration.

@@melliexcx Definitely not an exaggeration, sorry!

? she's famous for being an actress which was her main job for a lot of her life ?

@@luiysia technically she was active as a humanitarian for much longer than her acting career (starting with postwar funds and eventually becoming a UNICEF ambassador) and she took like a 10 year break around the seventies to focus on her family. But yes, her films and style were obviously a lot more publicized than her humanitarian work so that’s what she’s most known for today

@@luiysia well yeah but, as the video mentioned, there were a lot of Hollywood stars but there are very little of those who are remembered. Additionally, a lot of people know they her without ever seeing her act anyway so it's not exactly her acting abilities that are generally admired when people talk about her, kind of same as with the other actresses from the Hollywood golden age

Same, honestly I really want people to publicise the private achievements of old hollywood. Audrey was a humanitarian and Marilyn is a very intelligent woman and even had her own production company and she was a staunch supporter of the civil rights movement and her friendship with Ella fitzgerald is one of my favourite stories about old hollywood

yes she's a really great person i dunno why people only focus on the aesthetic and stuff she's more than that

good ol internalized misogyny

So true! It’s so sad that now days we are still taking down girls that are “sex symbols “ :(((

@@isabellesnow6008 Ok? That's not why most people didn't like her, and it doesn't justify the misogynistic treatment she received. JFK cheated on his wife, and no one lambasts him...

@@HoneyD109 idk if its internalized misogyny so much as misdirected anger. They should have been pissed at the directors and film industry and all of the patriarchal society that portrayed women as sex objects. Not the actress who is forced into a role. If anything it was their anger at the patriarchy that caused them to lash out at Marilyn. She was the embodiment of a sex object that men wanted all women to be and used her to enforce a role. They were tired of being seen as objects. So with that in mind, I don’t see how that fits internalized misogyny.

Ironically, Megan Fox had a Marilyn Monroe tattoo before lasering it off

Same, I didn’t know about how involved she was with unicef until I did a speech on her and I was like woahhhh! She really was a beautiful person inside and out

Plus she was a volunteer nurse at 16 and fluent in 4-5 different languages

how she survived the nazi invasion and helped others!

I know ppl focus on her fashion sense on her younger years but honestly, her UNICEF humanitarian outfits in her older years deserve recognition too

@@marikkelaszlo3355 She always looked great, she was gorgeous and remained an icon, but her humanitarian work since her youth goes to show she was truly a beautiful soul

yes!!!

that would be awesome!

Yessss

This 🙌🙌

you are the reason why they are so relevant, girls love gassing up attractive girls with no talent

I thought superstars that converted to Judaism at one point at their life 😅😅

My dumb ass legit thought "they have hair"

!!!! lol yes!

@UCdgwt5GuRwqs72AQwHGwRQg ?

I thought they were acting during the same era right? 💀

Ikr. It’s quite tragic and whenever I think of what happened with everything. I get sad 😔

I was thinking the same. I used to believe she was overhyped but no, she was a talented actress ruined by typecasting and awful producers. She deserves recognition as a human being, not a sexual object.

Dont forget about JFK!!!

YESSS

Yes please

@az_koala that was for the sake of a woman in a movie, and the reasons for why they didn’t like each other exceeded past their gender. And that had nothing to do with the fact that they were men. Society putting women against each other is a women’s issue. And seen a lot more in media and in real life.

exactly, and it's still used in todays society, notice how marilyn-ish look always associated with a "bad woman who tried to steal your man" and audrey-ish associated with a "unique female lead unlike others that made a man fall in love bc she was the first who treated him differently" ugh that's suck

And the pendulum of who the “it girl” is swings one way and the other

exactly!!

Yes, the fact that they both could act the same,have the same “scandals”, and dress alike, and still audrey would be the classy one but not sexy bc the guy’s wouldn’t want someone as boyish (at least outside pf Hollywood) and Marilyn would be seen as the sexy blonde that’s only there to be eye candy and can only be appreciated not even for her looks as a whole but as a sexy object that takes into account only her body is sickening. Even more that it still happens today, it doesn’t matter how you act, the way you look will always impact the way society see’s you as a women more, and if your personality does not “match” that expectation you’re in for a LOT of stress.

It's called SKINNY not petite. She ain't short.

@@rainnchen9632 but can’t petite also be referring to a small bone structure/frame, which she had ?? There’s plenty of skinny people who are not also petite bc they’re bone structure is average-sized

Frr my broke ass could never

it's all relative.. we still, in the developed world, have more money/wealth than most people who have lived on earth have ever seen in their lifetime.

@@laurenbennett7674 ^

@@laurenbennett7674 that’s 100% true but we also have to pay much more money then those ppl. thus in terms of money gained vs. money needing to be spent id say it’s similar.

Yep, there’s no one ideal of a women body and the ideal changes all the time. All women bodies are feminine. Have it ever occurred to men that women have different body shapes

In the media in the US, Jane Birkin is (unfortunately) better known for inspiring a bag, instead of being known for "Je T'aime, Moi Non Plus" and for how good she looks while braless in a sheer t-shirt.

@Isabella’s Art yeah fr nobody can win :/

noone can win really, models (who are usually small chested or flat chested) are seen as sexy but women who are flat are not.

@@elenik845 honestly I don’t think people see models as sexy I think they’re just seen as good for displaying clothes. Like idk whenever someone tells me I could model all I hear is ‘you’d make a good clothing hanger for the public’. Like, we still get desexualized in everyday life.

In a way I "understand" Brigitte's xenophibia, however I do not justify it. Why, because she was the greatest female icon of France in the 60s, and she was part of an entire cultural, artistic, stylistic movement, etc., quite European, and that today we see a lot with fascination. Therefore, the fact that Eropa is now "Islamizing", it is "understandable" that she feels rejection towards it.

@@jzz6342 Agreed to an extent. She revolts mainly against the way that animals are traditionally treated in Muslim countries, and also the modesty and sexual purity preached by Islam which can be seen as regressive and unfair - aka the opposite of what Bardot was known for. Idk. I don't agree with her and I do think she goes about it the wrong way, but what am I gonna do? Tell an 80-something-year-old woman that she's old fashioned?

@@ameliam1957 exactly, one must take into account their life context and their age, among other variables, is not a simple thing : )

I just googled her and you’re absolutely right, lol

@@ameliam1957 i mean there are 80 year olds that dont get convicted for hate speech but ok...

in the novel holly was way more sexual and clearly a prostitute, while the movie just hints at it. so i kinda hate that he wanted marilyn to play her bc she already was so sexualized and, according to the public, promiscuos 😔

@@nostradamus1162 he actually wanted her to play holly bc holly was meant to use her as status as a sex worker to be more effective and complex to her characteristics and storyline it was meant to humanize and understand women who are oversexualized in the world. I think it was smart knowing that Marilyn wanted to play characters that were more complex and challenging

T.C. said in his book that Holly was "stylishly thin". And there are comments in that book that other people mention about Holly's thin image. So it is a subject to ponder how he thought M.M. could play her.???

Guys you seem to forget but though she was curvy Marilyn was tiny, her waist was 24 inches. She was small but curvy and undergarments of the time emphasized that, a size 10 in the 1960s is like a modern size 4. So her casting wouldn't be too off the book, and she was who the author imagined for the role.

I see Meghan is being mentioned in this comment section several times. Is there something that happened recently? I haven't heard anything..

@@AirQuotes thanks!

neither of them are talented and they both got famous because of the way they look, if they didn't like it then they should have stopped being in films

@@teegee7445 They just wanted to act. Not be treated poorly.

Also neither had any acting ability at all

I feel so bad for Britney as well. She was a great singer (you can watch one of her first performances as a young girl in KZfaq). And she was forced to sing with those stupid se*ual gasps and groaning sounds.

that first line says it perfectly

It's not the way she was spoken about. It was the fact that she presented herself more sexually than what was socially acceptable at the time. Marilyn went against what was considered classy at the time, and did everything that was considered indecent at the time. Even in 2020, a woman that portrays herself more sexual ly than what is considered socially acceptable is villainized. Think about how the Kardashians are hated for being "slutty" and "indecent" by today's standards.

I feel like really any woman, famous or not, could experience something like this, even today. Like my mom has a witty, funny personality and women would say really mean things to her or about her without really knowing her spirit. Or I saw as a child how relatives treated her, we have now completely cut ties with extended family... I think it is because she's very intelligent, funny, and beautiful, and most importantly a GOOD person. Some people just can't handle that and will villanize. My mom experienced a lot of abuse too and they told her they didn't believe her or say that she was lying. Women sexualized for simply existing, beaten down for having a strong personality ... Or to my dad, other men would say things like "you're no Kennedy" because he is very personable and outgoing and married to my mom lol. And it's a cringey comment because he wasn't trying to be anything but himself.

I agree with you

isn’t she an extreme white supramacist now?

@@jacobjacquin yes and she’s gotten into trouble with the french govt because of inciting racial hatred multiple times

@@toofany oh god, that is so disappointing

i didn't even know until she said so in this video, so im glad she was able to inform me

Once I tweeted something about her being racist and I immediately had a French person angrily defending her in my mentions saying that she's an animal rights activist (literally "I can excuse racism but I draw the line at animal cruelty" vibes) and in France they have free speech so she can say what she wants.......okay and I'm using my free speech to call her a racist lol

You're beautiful 🖤

all body types can be beautiful,if you dress it in away that make it shine and not trying to make it something that it is not

Hihi same. We‘re still awesome though🥰

There’s actually a thing called Kibbe’s body types, where there are several figures and appeareances included based on your bone and musclestructure, if I remember correctly. For example, you might have the same measurements as Marilyn Monroe, but because you have a different frame, you will not look like her. Same thing for Audrey. I recommend you to watch Aly Art for more on this topic. She discusses absolutely everything about the body types, not just from the frame and clothing perspective, it goes even to hair styles and other things. She even has a test for yourself. You should really look upon that, it gives you a perspective on your type and you learn how to embrace differences from other body types.

@@babydande I know, best theory ever!!! (my second favourite is mbti but that is a story for another day) anyway what is your type?

She actually starved during the war and she was trained in classical ballet. That impacted her body.

@@EmilyDickmesome I know, poor Audrey, I was not trying yo romanticize it, I have an endocrine condition that make putting up any weight quite hard. Seeing her, gorgeous and almost as skinny as me made me feel more human.

@@marialuisasvabvalerio7177 I didn't mean to make you feel guilty either. I don't have a condition, but I felt represented by her too because I can't never put weight either. Always been super skinny and for a while I was risking an ED because of trying to gain weight. My body suffered from that, not to mention psychologically (ppl assuming only pedos could be attracted to a body like mine) but now I'm at peace with myself and my body and I hope the same for you.

Wait what... I thought u were like 16 from ur picture

@@EmilyDickmesome I loved her ironically because my mother shared exactly the same experiences during the war, and died the same year, same age, also of cancer. So I never thought of her iconic image as much as a silver ghost of someone I deeply loved.

@kkaradin No she wouldn't.

@kkaradin no, definitely not. A size 14 then is the same as a pattern size 14 now... which is closer to an American 4 or 6. She was curvy, but very slim. People see “size 14” and think it’s equivalent to a 14 now, but that’s very much not the case.

@kkaradin as others have pointed out she wasn't plus size just soft looking. Also a lot of her pictures people use when saying she is plus size are from when she was pregnant

That is so weird though, I just think Marilyn and Brigitte were beautifully, unapologetically female - they also had that femme fatale element, being able to influence all the men around them, there was definitely a lot of power in that - I'm 18 now and I've been admiring them since I was a little girl, I was mesmerised by that powerful, impactful side of them, they were only really 'objectified' if you couldn't see anything past their physique, which admittedly was probably a case for the male viewers, but female viewers don't have to be uncomfortable seeing more risque female characters, they can give them the courage to be themselves and recognise the power at the core of femininity

@@doelette7400 yes but where you are wrong is that those characters where both written and directed by men. They weren't written to be empowering to women or so women could relate to them but so men could find them appealing. They were also objectified by the men in their lives, Marilyn especially. She was missable with how the public saw her as nothing but a sex symbol and not as a real person. She never got the chance to play the roles other less "sexy" actresses did despite her having the talent and range, she was just cast to be pretty and she had to run away from the media 24/7. I love her style and her as a person (she was a big supporter on civil rights for example) but her life is still more tragic than sexy and fun

Right? Especially in Lithuania where skinny was such huge thing. And god forbid you were short and curvy.

@@JamesGallagher90 agreed.

I see Audrey the same way even now. For some reason I favour thinner figures even though the current "trend" is to be curvaceous. The fact that I'm very short and thin but still somewhat curvy is the reason I can identify with Marilyn more in that sense. Anyway I went on a tangent, but basically everyone finds different things they can relate to.

Same here. In the majority of countries the beauty standard is very skinny and tall, so a woman like Audrey is basically a goddness. And Marilyn Monroe is still the most beautiful American actress for me

in my country she is still the ideal... so i understand :(

Millie Perkins was miscast. I like her in the Jack Nicholson Western "The Shooting", tho.

very interesting nice

while she was a young teenager in the Netherlands, she worked for the Dutch Resistance and put on small ballet shows to raise money against the Nazis! she also worked as a volunteer nurse until she was 16

@@tess7476 Yup, Audrey helped fund the Resistance against the Nazi's, which makes her a major badass.

Also she starved a lot during the war so she practiced and helped with empty stomach in the end of the war she became anaemic

@@jankaaishakovacs7714 On top of that, she has actually said that she didn't like how that malnourishment affected the look of her body

I'm not 100% sure but wasn't she very very underweight growing up since because of the war they didn't have much food?? I wouldn't call that privilege. (tbh i just read that somewhere idk if it's true or not)

Why do they feel like Marilyn if I may ask?

I don’t think a lot of girls relate to Marilyn but feel more bad for than relate to her. She’s not really relatable

I think it’s the whole concept of “doing yourself up” and transforming from a normal looking woman to a glamorous beauty. I think that’s what makes her more relatable. If you look at pictures of Marilyn without makeup, while pretty, she looks completely different without all the makeup, clothes and hair. At the end of the day she was quite average compared to other movies stars at the time like Grace Kelly, Elizabeth Taylor, etc. But her style, the way she dressed up and not to mention, her personal life story made her all the more memorable and relatable.

@apenstaartje anna You didn't ask me, but I wanted to chime in because I'm getting more attached to Marilyn the older I get (I just turned 24). The more I learn about Marilyn, I see that there were literally obstacles placed in her way every turn she took, and she was expected to take it all on the chin because heaven forbid a woman complains. She was expected to be beautiful and sensual, but in fulfilling those qualities she was denied agency and personhood and was reduced to an object of fantasy by the men and women around her. Everything she became was from taking criticism and slander from others since she was a child and working herself to the bone to get rid of her "flaws." (She has a singing coach she loved who insulted her naturally high pitched voice, saying she sounded dumb. That's why she began to sang in that lower voice.) She was beautiful and should've had it all, but being desired didn't equal being loved and it seemed like no man could dig deep to find and love Norma Jean. Admiration didn't equal genuine human compassion and empathy and she was genuinely miserable. I'm definitely no Marilyn Monroe, but I think I can understand the isolation in being a woman, and maintaining an image forced on me. ((Hope this didn't sound like a rant! I have a lot of feelings lol))

@@dreamsicle3113 This is honestly so true, I'm 23 going on 24 and the older I get, the more I understand and relate to her. She was a woman who just wanted to be a woman. But when I was younger I actually looked up to her bc she wasn't very skinny, and at that time growing up, heroin chic was trendy and I developed an eating disorder bc of it. Marilyn just had a more full and realistic body type for me personally, but to each their own. This is why we shouldn't pit women against each other, bc we ARE NOT each other's competition. But yeah at the time, her weight made me feel better about mine.

I’m so glad because so many people thought I was doing Steve Jobs 💀

@@gremlita omfg I just snorted like a mf pigggg

@@ellagrace4361 same, the noice I made was UNNATURAL

@@gremlita HAHA OMG sometimes you gotta love people

@@gremlita oh hell 💀💀💀

Yes. I read the short story by Truman Capote that the film is based on. Holly Golightly is a call girl. Capote thought Marilyn would be perfect for the part. He definitely envisioned a more sexualized curvy woman when he created the character. But I think Audrey's wholesome image helped get the story past the censors. A lot of people who love that film don't notice that it's about a friendship between 2 people who support themselves by being sex workers.

And Paul was actually gay in the book! Holly was a very liberated woman and both characters had strong platonic feelings for each other instead of romantic

Sadly I haven’t read the book yet, but yes, this is what I keep thinking about: how was she, such an innocent seeming young woman, to portrait a call girl? 😂 But I still love the movie, maybe it’s not accurate to the book, but her character, I believe, gives the story an interesting spin as well: she seems desperate, doesn’t really have anybody who loves her except for her brother and only tries saving up in order to build a life for the two of them. To be honest the first time watching the movie I kind of disliked Paul though , as he got paid for sleeping with this woman, but then realised that Holly wasn’t much different. On the other hand, when again looking at how innocent and “unexperienced” Audrey’s characters seem, I was shocked almost when for the first time I watched charade where Regina was trying so hard to get Peter’s attention 😂 but anyway, I simply love all her movies and that you can tell that all the girls she portraits are different to each other, but still have her spirit in a way. She just makes my day whenever I watch a film she stares in (and actually my wallpaper (in my room, not on my phone) has her silhouettes and face printed all over it, that’s how far the adoration goes 😂)

@@andreasadventuresabroad5699 wait , paul is gay in the book ? :0 in that case holly nd him in the book are only friends?

@@ideasdivertidas164 Yes. Paul is gay in the book. Paul is sort of a stand-in for the writer, Truman Capote. There is no doubt that Capote was gay. Capote knew women like this when he was young. Find the short story (or novella) and read it. Capote could tell a good story.

I hope you’ve grown up to know that humanitarian work does not make up for being Black, Asian, Native. 💀

this this this

I completely agree, the way she made simplicity so beautiful was truly incredible

Agree. In fact, even without knowing about classic Hollywood you can just look at her and see why she can be considered a classic beauty

Just as talented? Lol

@@teegee7445 you've commented several times on this video about how neither of these women were talented and only got where they were because of their looks. you sound very bitter and it's very embarrassing that you'd waste your time being so negative on the internet. i hope you find peace!

@@NeshaCora I hope you understand that by lifting up these untalented women because of their looks you are perpetuating a value system within society that means looks are more important than anything else. I'm bothered because you're the same girls that are always complaining about how society forces you to look good. Stop hyping up untalented hot people and pretty soon to be a famous girl you'll need talent rather than looks.

@@teegee7445 for the record I’ve never once complained about how ‘society forces me to look good’; I do look good and I know it. you raise an interesting point though and I don’t entirely disagree with you - beautiful people shouldn’t become famous for being beautiful and I do think we see that all too often in society. the part we will have to agree to disagree on is whether or not MM and Hepburn were talented or not, but aside from that, I don’t think your point is invalid at all, so thank you for taking the time to explain it a little better!

@@NeshaCora The point is they weren't talented, so girls that obsess over appearance nowadays only know them and maybe James Dean or Marlon Brando opposed to Gregory Peck or Henry Fonda, both superior actors (with maybe the exception of Brando, he could act and was good looking). Girls that aren't really interested in film watch these 60/70 year old films purely based on how attractive the actresses in them are. This has never been more prevalent, take any female actor, celebrity nowadays, they're all hot and not that good at their craft. Whereas actually talented unattractive people like Frances McDormand go unnoticed. Boys are not like this at all, we make people famous for how good they are at what they do, like Kendrick Lamar, Kanye West, Kobe Bryant, all pretty average looking dudes that are extremely talented, girls don't like them for the most part. I'm not talking you particularly, there's just an entire generation of girls talking about body dysmorphia, societal standards of beauty and misogyny about how they need to look good but these expectations are put on them by themselves because they make beauty the most important thing in life, right from when a baby's born all they can say is how attractive or cute it is, it's weird and needs to stop. The fact you've seen hepburn's films and not Welles' is just proof of this. It's what holds women back, why do very few women have critical acclaim in any field? Because there's no market for it.

Exactly they are compared so many times, they literally look different

Ayyy Izone stan taste

@@ihatemathreadaboutsectionb4907 thank you, thank you

@@maddiej2165 ofc :)

And classy.

She was incredibly beautiful, The shape of her eyes was uniquely stunning

Audrey had a 14 inch difference between her waist and hips, how on earth is that not curvy? How many women do you know that have that big if a difference between waist and hips? Marilyn Monroe didn't. Curvy is about SHAPE not size or weight. Very thin women can be super curvy and bigger women can be not curvy.

​@balthasardenner5216 how does that work?

I completely understand!!! I had a DD by age 11. Kate Moss was our queen at the time. And I love her, but I didn't look.like her, and people called me a "slut" for it, as if just existing in my pubescent body was.some.sort of scandal. Its hard to live in a world that hates women 😔

@@bunnykatsoracle3275 Ugh. "Nothing tastes as good as skinny feels." 🙄 Um. ok. Like, shut up and try cake ffs, Kate.

yeah I can totally see that!

definitely

I think the main difference is she's usually the main character and not used for the male characters development and had some depth at least more than a manic pixie dream girl gets. But I do think she has very similar vibes.

@@Sailorofskies yeah, for sure That's why I said she was like an in fluance on and a predecessor to And its not even so much that he characters were either It's like just the way the media painted her... ya know? Like her characters that she played definitely werent manic mixies... but the image that the media painted of her, which was influenced by her characters, definitely was closer to a manic pixie

@@emmakayisnotok7322 yeah I completely agree she's been painted in a way that's really similar to a manic pixie! I wonder if it could've inspired the trope.

her kookiness was a big part of her persona i think, a real proto-Zooey Deschanel come-do-something-silly-in-public-with-me-won't-you routine everyone should see her "appearance" on Sky Art's Psychobitches lol: "DABLe DENNIs"

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Or one about Elizabeth Taylor

same bangs and everything

I mean, I agree in the technical sense. But it's also a bit insulting to her memory to put her in that category - since Audrey herself never positioned herself in opposition to other women and was generally a very lovely person throughout her life. Blame the media for pitting women against each other.

The media marketed her as that. In a time of curvy bodies and long blonde wavy hair, she was indeed different but I don't think that even for a second she took pride in not being like them. Audrey was so humble she didn't even think she was that much of a beauty to begin with. Don't do my girl dirty like that.

i don't think Audrey actually viewed herself that way, but based on Mina's analysis, a lot of her fans had that mentality because of the media. it was a simple joke I was trying to convey in the most succinct way

@@currielee Haha I understood what you meant

Yep. It's blatant yellow face and it's disgusting

Okay but that’s not her fault...?

@@sara-mm9pb i know, i have nothing against her. she was beautiful, talented, smart, and used her influence for good things. i just think it's the reverence and romanticization that's held for older movies with such disgustingly racist and sexist themes that doesn't sit right with me.

Oof, yeah. For my film class we watched Breakfast at Tiffany’s and my professor (old white dude) said “there’s going to be some racist stuff, just ignore it and remember it was normal back then, so try not to get offended!” So I wrote my end of term paper about the harmful effects of blackface and yellowface in cinema.

@@myettechase get his ass!!!

Totally agree. Some people just have that unique sublime attraction. Audrey was both accessible, relatable and fun yet incredibly feminine, elegant and worldly. There has never been anyone like this even today.

yeah her and marilyn both took the world by storm

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This reminds me of the ol' "do these jeans make my butt look big?" joke in sitcoms and how back then the appropriate answer for the husband/friend/whatever to say was "uh of course not!". Oh how the tables have turned lol

Audrey was actually curvier than Marilyn. Audrey had a 14 inch difference between her waist and hips, Marilyn had a 12 inch difference. Audrey rarely wore clothes that showed it off however. It's important to remember curvy means shape NOT size.

It's all because of the media. Marylin's body type was "THE STANDARD" for an entire era, then it was Audrey, then remember the 90's supermodel era? with Naomi Campbell, Cindy Crawford, that were super tall and curvy. Then Kate Moss type of body was "the trend". It's all about the media and what they sell. The problem is when you're younger and let yourself be intimidated and affected by that sh*t. I was half of my teenage years trying to diet, comparing myself (negatively) with my classmates, who were petite and skinny. I was 10cm taller, of course, I would weigh more than them! But that was not on my mind at that time, my friends looked like the girls on the tv and magazines and I didn't. Now I'm 34 and I'm happy with myself, but a lot of young girls (and boys) are being manipulated by the media everyday.

Yess!!

Marilyns look is more attainable than Audrey 🤣🤣 don’t make me laugh

same

What Marilyn slander???

@@madisonj5136 did you watch the video?

@@graceraimo777 I did but it wasn’t really slander

@@madisonj5136 I’ve been reading some comments and I’ve seen you talk about how Marilyn was mistreated so I think your confused? I’m just reiterating what was said in the video, not saying Mina was slandering Marilyn. She clearly said she was done with the slander Marilyn gets.

Especially considering she was speculated to be around 118-140 pounds within her adult life. She was curvy but I found it odd that people are considering her “plus size”.

She’s my role model in everything I love her sm

@@owenlee3103 same

I actually liked that book.

I actually came across this book in the library a few weeks ago. Thought the title was interesting, but when I started reading it the language and implications just really put me off. Not that it's impossible to get good ideas out of it (the sections on friendship and style were interesting) but the language around emphasizing not being like those "dumb, stupid girls who get drunk in public" and the advice that nobody should ever sleep on the first date and men should always pursue the women and its the woman's role to act cool and dress conservatively was really uncomfortable to read about for me in 2021. If I came across it when I was younger it might have been different though, all the magazines for teen girls at that time had a similar tone and I might not have even noticed it.

Yes guys enjoy the movies but never forget Bardot is a racist and Deneuve signed a petition against the Me too mouvement.

I think Marion Davies was the most beautiful actress I've seen of the '20's. Too bad she's mainly remembered as W.R. Hearst's mistress.

Marion! In addition to being beautiful, she was a great comic actress. The KZfaq channel Be Kind Rewind actually turned me on to her comic performances pretty recently, and her level of talent was eye-opening!