The Evolution of Sharks | BoneHeads

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Ben G Thomas

Ben G Thomas

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The evolutionary history of sharks is a long tale, stretching back over 400 million years. In this special episode of BoneHeads, we discuss what we know about the evolution of these animals, plus some recent shark studies, Megalodon and Ptychodus, and Eddie's own research on fossil sharks for his undergraduate dissertation.
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0:00 - Where have we been??
7:17 - The evolution of sharks
48:26 - Ptychodus discussion
55:44 - Otodus (Megalodon) evolution
1:03:14 - New Megalodon paper
1:09:05 - Megalodon and Livyatan discussion
1:24:10 - Deep-diving hammerheads discussion
1:32:20 - The importance of shark fossils
1:35:57 - Eddie's shark dissertation
1:51:43 - Showing our shark fossils
2:00:24 - Ending talk

Пікірлер: 125
@hoibsh21
@hoibsh21 Жыл бұрын
The shark with the anvil on its head and the shark with the circular saw in its mouth are two o my favorite sharks!
@trilobite3120
@trilobite3120 Жыл бұрын
Stethacanthus and Helicoprion. Technically not sharks but part of the related holocephalian group. But yes, they are very cool.
@patreekotime4578
@patreekotime4578 Жыл бұрын
For a future Bone Heads I'd love to see a revisit of the new material coming out of Rising Star Cave. The evidence for planned burials there is really interesting.
@highfive7689
@highfive7689 Жыл бұрын
We need to see if they can find coprolites in Rising Star Cave. If they do, we might be able to tell if it's human or that homo naledi that created the fire there. There is evidence of fire. But I hate to say it but mankind might have had a frightening existence with homo naledi. Like the Orangutans stories of the wild men of the forests. Homo naledi could have been dangerous competitors. Ambushing from trees and stealing in at night into human camps. Killing children for food. In the same way chimps hunt down monkeys for food or kill competing troop members they may find. We are not dealing with cuddly Chewbacca. Homo naledi may have had same kind of strength as chimps which can kill humans easily.
@asiawojcicka9909
@asiawojcicka9909 Жыл бұрын
i love the museum trips and i would be very much interested in you talking about different paleoenvironments and formations
@leppeppel
@leppeppel Жыл бұрын
TBH, I'm just excited for Worm-Heads '23!
@napalmholocaust9093
@napalmholocaust9093 Жыл бұрын
Ginzu isn't for shape. In the states it used to be a colloquial term for scary sharp and durable. They used to cut frying pans up, bricks, anything ridiculous then paper slice tomatoes. It was all camera tricks and props though, the knives were the lowest quality but the commercials sold perceived value, not real quality. And they ran half an hour infomercials every night for years practically. It has soaked into our subconscious.
@mellissadalby1402
@mellissadalby1402 Жыл бұрын
Hi Ben, Eddie, and Hamzah Boneheads! I think the name "Boneheads" is a marvelous appelation for a gaggle of Paleontologists. It is to my mind as funny as the Thagomizer! If there was a Boneheads Tee-shirt, I would buy it and wear it proudly.
@patreekotime4578
@patreekotime4578 Жыл бұрын
With skulls of a crocodillian, an ichthyosaur, and a shark jaw!
@geodkyt
@geodkyt Жыл бұрын
Re: Ptychodus occidentalis teeth. The tooth shape (from an engineering perspective) doesn't look nearly as much like a generalist tooth, so much as one hyper-specialized for breaking *exceptionally* hard shells by concentrating the force on a small point on the prey shell while spreading the reciprocal forces on the jaw of the shark. I would love to see a comparative analysis of potential shelled prey opportunities and their shell thicknesses relative to other shelled prey items. It *would* be better suited for use against exceptionally soft bodied prey (possibly large deep water cephlapods, similar to sperm whales and giant squid), and I can see them being useful for straining while gulping entire schools of small prey (like modern orca on herring balls), but I don't see them being terribly useful for tearing meat off large prey items.
@eeyoreish7371
@eeyoreish7371 Жыл бұрын
I'm finishing my PhD thesis this week, but thoroughly enjoying having the shark week content to watch while I wait to get edits back from people. Thanks for the content. :) As far as things I like to see, I really enjoy the interviews you've done. I also like these themed episodes -- it could be centered around a particular animal, a particular formation, or even the work/methods of a particular paleontologist, but I think having a theme makes for a good story. Congratulations on graduating, and good luck with your master's degrees! (Also, even though I'm not in paleontology, as a grad student I can confirm that whatever you think you're going to work on is probably not what's going to end up happening.)
@X-Gen-001
@X-Gen-001 2 ай бұрын
I'm so glad I found this channel. Informative and entertaining. The perfect way to learn.
@kylebarker7362
@kylebarker7362 Жыл бұрын
Just wanting to say congratulations for your upcoming graduation! If you were as in depth and passionate in your degrees as you are in these videos / podcasts it's small wonder you all passed. Keep up the good work, guys!
@9VK7
@9VK7 Жыл бұрын
This dude looks like a model
@leondrolet8695
@leondrolet8695 Жыл бұрын
He is beautiful.
@elasmocast
@elasmocast Жыл бұрын
Excellent review of Chondrichthyan history! I have videos on my channel featuring many of these taxa. Also, that Moroccan tooth at the end of the podcast is from Serratolamna maroccana, which used to be classified within the genera Cretalamna and Lamna, but has since reassigned to Serratolamna due to tooth morphology.
@DarthZino93
@DarthZino93 Жыл бұрын
Great video. It was entertaining to hear you guys discuss Cladoselache and the Cleveland Shale formation. I'm mainly from that area and the formation is world famous for it's placoderms too.
@stevenkobb156
@stevenkobb156 Жыл бұрын
Welcome back, guys. Sounds like exciting times ahead. I look forward to seeing what's next.
@BenGThomas
@BenGThomas Жыл бұрын
Thank you! We're excited to be making more!
@charoleawood
@charoleawood Жыл бұрын
I'm afraid your use of noise cancelling is causing the mics to cut out due to your close proximity to each other, I hope you can fix it in the future --- I'm having to guess and lipread at what you are saying.
@clauzellblackshear2057
@clauzellblackshear2057 Жыл бұрын
This was done so well
@pastlife960
@pastlife960 Жыл бұрын
My tutor on my Palaeontology course was Dr Ivan Sansom, who is proposing that Chondrichthyans actually evolved in the Ordovician, so he’d certainly have opinions about this discussion!
@indyreno2933
@indyreno2933 Жыл бұрын
Except, Agnathichthyes, Chondrichthyes, and Osteichthyes are not valid taxa anymore because they are all paraphyletic, Agnathichthyes is paraphyletic because lampreys are more closely related to jawed vertebrates than to hagfish, Chondrichthyes is paraphyletic because sharks and batoids (collectively known as elasmobranchs) are more closely related to bony vertebrates than to chimaeras and their extinct relatives (collectively known as holocephalans), and Osteichthyes is paraphyletic because lobe-finned fish are more closely related to tetrapods than to ray-finned fish.
@trilobite3120
@trilobite3120 Жыл бұрын
​​​@@indyreno2933Agnathans, not anagnathgichthyes.
@trilobite3120
@trilobite3120 Жыл бұрын
​@@indyreno2933They're more related to bony fish than to holocephalians? How? Are you saying bony fish are descended from them?
@trilobite3120
@trilobite3120 Жыл бұрын
​@@indyreno2933Also, Osteichthyes is not paraphyletic when you include tetrapods, which I feel is pretty common.
@trilobite3120
@trilobite3120 Жыл бұрын
I have heard of scales that match condrichthyans from that time.
@jybrokenhearted
@jybrokenhearted Жыл бұрын
Gawr Gura brother??
@metalliphil
@metalliphil 11 ай бұрын
Another great episode you guys - would be really cool to get an episode on the history of evolution of crocodilians or plesiosaurs
@jonwashburn7999
@jonwashburn7999 Жыл бұрын
Thanks Ben. Was waiting for another of these.
@BenGThomas
@BenGThomas Жыл бұрын
Hope you enjoy!
@persianking44
@persianking44 Жыл бұрын
Congratulations on graduating!
@AlisNinsky
@AlisNinsky Жыл бұрын
Yes!!!! I love the shark expert!
@kurtoogle4576
@kurtoogle4576 Жыл бұрын
Congratulations!!!
@stevenkobb156
@stevenkobb156 Жыл бұрын
So their jaws unhinge like a snake. Wild.
@Longfang91
@Longfang91 Ай бұрын
Hey, really interesting stuff! I think you might need to turn down how aggressive your noise gate or whatever sound suppression you're using is. The guy on the right (sorry, I'm AWFUL with names) keeps getting cut off mid sentence.
@finlaymorgan1405
@finlaymorgan1405 Жыл бұрын
The sound cuts out a lot, great discussion though as always!
@busybillyb33
@busybillyb33 Жыл бұрын
What is the evolutionary advantage of sharks retaining the cartilaginous skeleton trait rather than developing a fully mineralized bony skeleton like almost every other vertebrate?
@the_royal_frick634
@the_royal_frick634 Жыл бұрын
So that we can say cartilaginous, bc it's a fun word
@Celebratory_Diaper
@Celebratory_Diaper Жыл бұрын
Don't quote me on this, but I think it's because they're lighter than bony skeletons and require less resources to grow
@Celebratory_Diaper
@Celebratory_Diaper Жыл бұрын
10:49
@widodoakrom3938
@widodoakrom3938 Жыл бұрын
They become lighter
@trilobite3120
@trilobite3120 Жыл бұрын
Didn't sharks evolve from fish with mineralised skeletons?
@S-T-E-V-E
@S-T-E-V-E Жыл бұрын
We always want Megalodon videos!
@charoleawood
@charoleawood Жыл бұрын
34:43 It doesn't look like this jaw style takes much energy at all, in fact it seems quite well adapted for crushing. With the teeth on the outer edge of a disc shape and the upper palate curved you're able to get a rotational crushing benefit from an up and down motion. With the force applied more from the center of the lower jaw you're getting multiplied power like how bicycle gears work where small motions at the center translate to large travel distances at the outer spokes.
@obiwahndagobah9543
@obiwahndagobah9543 11 ай бұрын
I somehow have a suspicion that tooth whorls at the tip of the lower jaw could be a trait present in the common ancestors of chondrichthians and osteichthians. I have seen them in reconstruction of fossils of the basalmost bony fishes also.
@rovercoupe7104
@rovercoupe7104 Жыл бұрын
Is the shark jaw made of bone?
@widodoakrom3938
@widodoakrom3938 Жыл бұрын
Nope only their teeth
@rovercoupe7104
@rovercoupe7104 Жыл бұрын
@@widodoakrom3938 Thank you. I thought there were fossilised shark jaws. That is how they know how big they were.
@stevenkobb156
@stevenkobb156 Жыл бұрын
So cetaceans evolved to have more dense bones. I wonder if this means that sharks evolved to feed closer to the surface than did whales?
@widodoakrom3938
@widodoakrom3938 Жыл бұрын
Whales has a lot of air in their lungs so they need dense bone to dive deeper while shark doesn't have swim bubble so they don't need dense bone to dive
@stevenkobb156
@stevenkobb156 Жыл бұрын
@@widodoakrom3938 Thanks. That makes perfect sense.
@mathiascamay-schoor7082
@mathiascamay-schoor7082 Жыл бұрын
I love the subject However it's a real pain because of the sound cuts I hope i make through
@stevenkobb156
@stevenkobb156 Жыл бұрын
You need to make a livyatan vs meg movie.
@bluedragon219123
@bluedragon219123 11 ай бұрын
What I expected: A in depth documentary, like others on this channel but longer, about shark Evolution. What I got: A diary of what they're doing in life and Google searches of sharks. This is like a longer version of the "Bigger than a Blue Whale" video. This video isn't "bad" per se but it is disappointing. Still Good Job at life and trying! :)
@kennbmondo
@kennbmondo 3 ай бұрын
lol.. Sharkboy... too funny.
@haroldhahn7044
@haroldhahn7044 11 ай бұрын
Splanchnocraniums!
@kermitthorson9719
@kermitthorson9719 Жыл бұрын
could a tetrapod have a cartilaginous skeleton? could it ever be ridged enough for terrestrial life?
@Apc7th
@Apc7th Жыл бұрын
you should get a head ban and make a shark fin, lol its simple and will be fun
@Nmethyltransferase
@Nmethyltransferase Жыл бұрын
Eddie, did you win a bet?
@Yezpahr
@Yezpahr Жыл бұрын
Euh, Eddie, you know Ben bathed in that exact suit you're wearing there, right? Nekid.
@ultimatecrusader9907
@ultimatecrusader9907 Жыл бұрын
Big toothy cartilage fish
@Hugh.Manatee
@Hugh.Manatee Жыл бұрын
This audio setup is really unpleasant to listen to. You guys are constantly being cut off.
@Nemoawnz
@Nemoawnz 6 ай бұрын
Sorry to point this out, but one of you has an incredibly sharp 's' sound.
@Sirdilophosaurusthethird
@Sirdilophosaurusthethird Жыл бұрын
S h a r k
@JohnnyNakatomi
@JohnnyNakatomi Жыл бұрын
I still refuse to call sharks fish ! hahahaa ^____^
@trilobite3120
@trilobite3120 Жыл бұрын
Fair as long as you don't include jawless fish.
@stevenkobb156
@stevenkobb156 Жыл бұрын
You can't have too much meg.
@micahfoley9572
@micahfoley9572 11 ай бұрын
i can only think of one name for what that shark is doing to that other shark. it's kinda dirty tho
@charoleawood
@charoleawood Жыл бұрын
When Ben said that the Meg 2 trailer shows Megalodon eating a T-Rex and that he turned it off for that reason I looked it up! Bloody good time. Get rid of all the expositing bozos and I'm sure the movie itself could be worth watching, especially if it were R rated and had an Avatar scale budget for its effects.
@John.0z
@John.0z Жыл бұрын
Congratulation on completing your degree work. Next step after Masters degrees for all of you will be ????? (I am expecting on to PhDs, then BBC documentaries.)
@indyreno2933
@indyreno2933 Жыл бұрын
Fish are an informal group of vertebrates that is constituted by the classes Myxini (Hagfish), Petromyzontida (Lampreys and Fossil Relatives), Holocephali (Chimaeras and Fossil Relatives) Elasmobranchii (Sharks and Batoids), Actinopterygii (Ray-Finned Fish), and Sarcopterygii (Lobe-Finned Fish), fish are not a natural group as these six different classes are not closely related to one another.
@trilobite3120
@trilobite3120 Жыл бұрын
I know. I haven't watched the video yet but I assume they aren't stating that it is a real grouping. Also, why the separation of Holocephali and Elasmobranchii? And I'm pretty sure Actinoptergyii and Sarcopterygii are closely related.
@trilobite3120
@trilobite3120 Жыл бұрын
The way you say 'these six classes are not closely related to each other ' makes it sound like they're polyphyletic instead of paraphyletic. Besides the purely extinct groups and the tetrapods, this seems to be all living vertebrate groups.
@indyreno2933
@indyreno2933 Жыл бұрын
@rorywillcocks3120, Actinopterygii and Sarcopterygii are not closely related because lobe-finned fish are more closely related to tetrapods than to ray-finned fish.
@trilobite3120
@trilobite3120 Жыл бұрын
@@indyreno2933 A. Doesn't mean they *aren't* closely related, you can have more than one close relative B. Tetrapods *are* Sarcopterygiians. Not closely related, they *are*
@indyreno2933
@indyreno2933 Жыл бұрын
@rorywillcocks3120, I actually said that because, these six classes of fish are really not closely related to one another due to tetrapods descending from them, so technically, they are a paraphyletic group, which is why the six living classes of fish are not closely related to one another, with Sarcopterygii being more closely related to Tetrapoda than to Actinopterygii, Elasmobranchii being more closely related to Euteleostomi than to Holocephali, and Petromyzontida being more closely related to Gnathstomata than to Myxini.
@indyreno2933
@indyreno2933 Жыл бұрын
Sharks are elasmobranchs that constitute the superorder Selachimorpha, there are many extant species within over extant orders, mirorders, and two grandorders, the two grandorders of sharks are Squalomorphii and Galeomorphii, Squalomorphii is further divided into the mirorders Hexanchimorphae for only the order Hexanchiformes (Cowsharks and Frilled Sharks), Pristiophorimorphae for the orders Heterodontiformes (Bullhead Sharks) and Pristiophoriformes (Sawsharks), and Squalimorphae for the orders Squaliformes (Dogfish) and Squantiniformes (Angelsharks), whereas Galeomorphii is further divided into the mirorders Orectolobimorphae for the orders Scyliorhiniformes (Catsharks) and Orectolobiformes (Carpet Sharks) and Lamnimorphae for the orders Triakiformes (Houndsharks and Hammerhead Sharks), Carcharhiniformes (Ground Sharks), and Lamniformes (Mackerel Sharks).
@trilobite3120
@trilobite3120 Жыл бұрын
Is this a correction for the video?
@PowerScissor
@PowerScissor Жыл бұрын
What is the idea behind creators now consistently changing the thumbnail, title, or both within hours of uploading videos? I assume they are trying to squeeze every bit of performance out of each and every video in hopes of catching the algorithm wave and riding it for more views...at the expense of viewers having to now inspect the length of each video and keep a spreadsheet and cross-reference the spreadsheet to see if indeed this a video you have already watched or a new video on the same subject. I finally had to cancel my Netflix subscription because of constantly changing thumbnails making browsing the platform for new content a chore rather than a relaxing thing. I never would have guessed the trend would become a frustration on KZfaq. But here we are, 6 out of the top 7 videos in my feed have all had their thumbnail changed, or title changed. I think maybe just a mark, like a tiny green circle 🟢 in the corner of the thumbnail when things are updated would allow creators to test whatever it is they are testing with these changes, but also allow someone to know it's been changed easily.
@ESU77
@ESU77 Жыл бұрын
I'm 100% positive that all three of you are very familiar with the Ancient Sumerian Tablets. As well as the Cuneiform writing language.. So with an understanding of this information. How would you say these creatures came into existence? Or would you still hold to the whole theory ( which is not a fact) of evolution?
@joshuawayneyork
@joshuawayneyork 5 ай бұрын
This audio is god awful! I really wanted to watch this one but the end of every sentence is cutting out so bad I wanted to tear my phone apart!
@Achilles_Heelys
@Achilles_Heelys Жыл бұрын
turn up the sensitivity or talk more directly into the mic please. Your sentences get cutoff and it's hard to understand /:
@jpw5029
@jpw5029 Жыл бұрын
Sounds is farked
@gthomashart3926
@gthomashart3926 10 ай бұрын
Can you, like, try and actually SAY something?
@chrishayes9855
@chrishayes9855 Жыл бұрын
Audio sucks! Background noise suppression setting is way too aggressive. Had to leave about 10 minutes in.
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