Great! I kept my 48" with a sulky as a back up to my 52 scag ride-on. I picked up a honda self-drive for the few lawns I still do that have small gates, but I won't take on any new lawns that would require it. Giving my 30" away for free :D

Can't understand it myself. I can literally whip my Exmark 30s with one hand if needed,, no problem at all. I even take it up steps with a little muscle. I would never touch another 21.

For me, it wasn't the muscle issue as much as it's a calorie burner. Which becomes an issue in the south in summer, especially as you get 15-20 lawns per day. That's a lot of sweating if it's your main mower.

I feel what he’s saying i had two of them and was whipping them around with one hand to and all that but when yo ass get to that 8 to 10th house you start to feel it and don’t take a hefty brake and try to get back into it that’s your ass mr post man! And it’s just me by myself but my 21 doesn’t tire me out at the 10th house as a matter of fact my production is faster with the 21 don’t get tired as quickly but don’t get me wrong that 30 saves time but you have to know when to use your muscles because if you start off the day moving all fast with these 30 you will feel it special if your just residential! But If your using it here and there your good!

If you know, than you know pushing these beasts of a machine around all day will exhaust you no matter how tough you are. Definitely a calorie burner. I carry this and my honda so I can atleast give my body a break every few houses. 30 inch still helps cut time in half though.

@@StagedWorld-eb5rothank you for this comment I’m thinking about getting one in the near future and this just made me feel better 🙏🏼😌

Right?! I was dropping dead by the time summer came around and I was increasing my customer list. The loan for my upgrade to an Exmark 48 with a sulky was only 100 per month, so I did that and paid cash for the trailer. Worth it !!!! lol. The second best thing I did was ditching the 30" altogether and discontinuing mowing giant backyards that have 36" gates.

The new Scag 30 inch supposedly doesn't have this issue as they are timed

Exactly! lol

Sounds like you are on track !! I began the same way. Don't worry, by the time you start getting tired from mowing a lot of lawns with the 30" is the same time you can afford to upgrade with those accounts helping you to finance. Prune those low branches if you can :D

You bet!

I ran the same set-up for a few years, if I had to use it, it was best for periodic use. I don't recommend the 30" for a primary or only mower, it's a real calorie burner for back to back lawns especially in 90 degree weather.

lol, thanks! Seven years of that thing at least got me to a good review.

I was just using my Honda 21 yesterday on a couple small lawns, thinking this is definitely so much easier! I also continue to get customers on board with installing larger gates when possible for my Scag 52, and turning down any new large backyards with those little 36" gates--there is just no excuse for that.

I went and purchased the 21in Exmark I really like it so far it literally pulls you up the hills. The transmission is so powerful and fast

It's worth the extra $ over a 30". Most dealers don't know what it's like to mow multiple lawns a day for a living :D

Timemaster

Sounds like you have the right set-up. The 21 should be a lot easier to get on and off the truck and to maneuver in and around tight spaces. Funny about the instant reverse, almost the main reason I wanted a hydro.

@@20lawnsby19 yeah that's the best benefit of the hydro drive. Also much more power to the wheels in general. My belt drive loses a little friction when it's really hot and dusty. Otherwise it's a machine. The 21 I have is the Ariens classic with kawasaki and casters. It's 120lbs sitting still but the casters make all the difference.

I will try to keep making them as the season gets underway, thx!

I guess you could buy one used first and see what you and your crew think after a week of use. It's very heavy for something without any turning assistance, such as a belt drive walk- behind. And no caster wheels in the front.

@@20lawnsby19 around my area you never see the commercial 30s up for sale, just the timecutter consumer grades. Could be a matter of not that many of them are being used. Scag has a new one coming out, it will be interesting to see if they have overcome some of the downfalls of the exmark and toro units.

hahaha get her flowers

toro time master .its the same thing but everything is updated.

@@TheSpidersoftheworld exmark is Always one design behind toro. Toro is the most updated

Lol,, Do a little more research. These 30's are a game changer... If you know how to use it

I used to mow 8 city blocks with 2 30s and my brother it was a challenge but we did it for 2 years

It sounds like the grooves in the belt may have skipped out of proper position, that happened to me a few years back when I hit a stump, I can't remember if I needed to remove the belt and re-align everything? I just went out to look but my mower is buried, I would need a couple of hours to get at it haha.

He is 10000% right. Horrible mowers. Do not last.

Did you sell it?

Vans are so underrated for contractors.

seriously hahaha I had to do 21 solo last week, one was also new so I had to do a clean-up too :D I bought about $200 of financial/business investing books hoping to find other ideas

@@20lawnsby19 Mowing lawns definitely can turn a great profit, but what you mentioned is exactly where I am at in life. I'm determined to learn how to make the money that I make doing lawns work for me by investing in stocks and anything else that I can learn.

@@mr.reliable8123 I have been shoving any money I get into my Roth IRA, my Health Savings account, my SEP, which is about 20K max each year plus my individual stock account. I have been researching silver and gold miners for several years, that's where I am :D

I'm trying to give my 30" exmark away for free to my helper :D

The timemaster came out in 2012 and the turfmaster/exmark 30 came out in 2013. You'd think by now that most of the kinks would have been worked out. Beyond the lack of power from the motor, the deck is too short and flat. The clippings don't have enough time to be recirculated and cut down before hitting the flat deck and caking up, especially in thick and wet growth. The flat decks only work well with side discharging but you need the HP to shoot it out the side without clogging. The machine definitely needs a larger motor (even beyond the 224 cc Kohler or 223 cc Briggs), a self propelled system that allows the operator to turn on a dime, and a longer and taller deck to make it work. But that would add a lot more weight and cost to it.