Yes if you are in a fight against multiple attackers and you only have a baton it's better then nothing for anything else I think it's pretty useless

This one time at Band Camp....I was attacked by Ninjas and I didn't want to mess up my trombone.....

I think stick grappling is certainly posible however I also think in a physical altercation most people will not instinctively be using it like that.

Batons are for marching band players or Watch Dog fans that wanna be like Aiden Pierce.

The Taser has definitely replaced the baton and Pepper spray as the first less lethal option on an officer's belt. I do not know of any incidents when the baton was effective BUT with today's antitrust of the police, they need to have as many less lethal options on their belt as possible before lethal force

what country?

You must live in this country called California. It’s got it’s own set of ridiculous laws far outside the federal ones.

@@glennsmooth Yep i’ve heard of that horrible country , heard people crap on the sidewalks there

@@glennsmooth so do like 27 other states. Lol cali is not at all the only state that doesn't respect guns laws. And whoever allows government actors to take their God given rights away is a pussy anyway. I do what I want. I don't at all respect the idea that other humans have any authority to tell me how to live. Every man created equal. I take it pretty literally 🤷🏾‍♀️

You’re a Chad!

Someone said it

And how are you supposed to eat your donuts or grab those keys you left under the seat without a baton

@@Silver_wind_1987_ that seriously makes me concerned for the way you eat donuts.

@@R3DNECK I'm being sarcastic lmao

@@Silver_wind_1987_ hands

Baton plus pepper spray, always when i take my dog park . if you waiting for police help or 911, you are totally dead in usa. no man s land 😢

Reciprocity is the law of the land, if you have a carry permit, it is valid throughout the country

Ah yes, because you didn't get stabbed while trying to pull out your baton and deploying it.

​@@RailRoad188negative some places don't care about out of state chls and will still restrict

​@@RailRoad188while I'd like that to be the case, it isn't. Some states in this country are full of morons.

Seeing how much modern officers lack physical skills, and rely on their mace and tazer, it's probably for the best they don't have them anymore. Also female officers would be useless with them and you know it.

A revolver is not a pistol. A fixed chamber weapon is a pistol. A revolving chamber weapon is a revolver.

@@joshuaslate3719 The term pistol and handgun are interchangeable. That's why there's such a term as a semi auto pistol, which contrasts from a revolver or single shot pistol. And by your definition, any weapon with a fixed chamber would be a pistol, regardless of anything else. I know, you're going to complain about straw man argument with the last bit, but that's just to prove a point about the stupidity of this. A revolver is a pistol in the same way a Glock 19 is a pistol, they may function differently than each other, but they both fall under the pistol, or handgun definition. Just like how a rifle and a shotgun are exceptionally different, but both fall under the definition of a long gun.

No weapon is perfect, neither is it useless. Undercover carry them in the UK, I'm not sure whether the police still use batons here since pepper spray become prevalent. I've seen plenty videos of police over here getting into sticky situations with pepper spray precisely because most combat situations arise out of drug misuse, most crooks are sensible and don't want the huge hike in prison time cos they beat a copper to get away only to get caught eventually. I like these videos but I think there's some level of the algorithm making a more considered opinion less appealing to viewers. Nuance isn't conducive to good engagement!

Correct me if I'm wrong but you're referring to a solid baton rather than extendable right? Well he's talking specifically about extendable, and the reason these don't tend to work well is because they take longer to deploy and don't hit quite as hard. I can attest to that latter point since I have been hit with them while stone cold sober, and when the adrenaline is rushing, you don't feel a thing from those. Therefore, you can't rely on the normal hits to disable the opponent, and have to escalate to more dangerous targets, like the head or neck. This is where it leaves the legal part of the diagram and 9 times out of 10 heads over to the effective but not legal portion A solid baton is a fine weapon for a police officer like you said, but ultimately that's not what he's talking about

reminds me of the argument betwen USA and Russia about anti-missle defence system :D

@@SpiritOfLion what he means with self defence tool is more of a "compliance tool"

Lol

@@bjjkickboxing7876 it really doesnt matter what he means if he doesnt say what he means

@@prismaticc_abyss it does matter as it cha ges the whole purpouse of the video

How hard did you tap his elbows and knees and did he suffer permanent damage? lol

@@blaynegreiner9365 . Maybe the user wasn’t trying to permanently damage the attacker’s elbows; and knees ; the user probably wanted to tap the attacker’s elbows; and knees hard enough to send him a massage to stop with his attacking the victim. If the user had wanted to he could have seriously damage the attacker’s elbows; and knees; or strike the attacker very hard in the neck; and most likely killing him! The ASP baton is no toy! I purchased a collapsible ASP baton earlier this month online; I purchased one of those collapsible ASP batons after 9/11 ; and I would practice swinging it; and hitting pieces of wood until it finally broke. If I was to strike a thug in his neck region; or on his face; or head he might bleed to death; and that would be okay with me!

pretty sure the whole point is that that specific encounter is not too common. In fact, assault/violent encounters can and should be avoided as much as possible just by words. Verbal Judo type-stuff.

Lol he called you out un the video, theres always someone who makes something up because they disagree.

Well you were attacking someone.. I get what your saying but that’s not self defense

Yeah sometimes you gotta assault civilians like the cunts you are.

Filipono police and army are taught various locks(on legs, arms, etc) with sticks (which can be applied to baton).

@@cleiand5868valid

They could actually prevent more deaths if they used them more

This bald dwarf do not know what he is talking about, law enforcement in Europe always carry baton and use is pretty often, some can only carry batons so thats the only weapon i am allowed to use.

Perfect, that's exactly what it should do.👍

So, only works when the "goons" are so damn slow that they take longer to pull out something than it takes for you to see him pull things out, react, pull out a baton, deploy it, and then somehow hit him in the head.

@@NoName-mi8js it takes like a second to to pull and deploy a baton at the same time. Also from what I remember the baton that the guy used might be automatic cause it didn’t look like he flicked his wrist.

@@NoName-mi8js its not hard to use, just dont be a buffoon

Haha whoa dude relax

@@hard2hurt I'm just kidding of course. Great video BTW 😊

You forgot to add my profile pic

@@dramaticreaper About time you arrived...

​@@nav5697 - Aw heck... I was gonna say how awesome it was to be watching the same vids as an Olympian.

Atleast they don't die unlike when you use a gun💀

Edge lord McGee over here

It's almost as if you didn't watch the video

I’ll say what my father always said when he whooped my ass for being a little shit and I cried about it hurting “Well it isn’t suppose to tickle” No shit it’s made to hurt people, it’s a physical force factor to gain compliance. Personally I hate using them, but they have their uses.

@max marrero What kinds of trouble?

Oh look, another "Oh, if you just let me hit you with it, you'll change your mind" dumbassery.

Don’t worry it is banned in CA

​@@jacobpowell1882not anymore!

And New York 😆

​@@jacobpowell1882illegal in the Netherlands. Don't worry. I have one.

I know, right? I don't feel the need to engage in a fair fight with someone twice my size and strength intent on killing me.

And after that he says he's a supporter of concealed carry like what? Is that not the same thing?

Police by definition is (or should be) using lawful violence for the interest of the public. Policemen don't have to be ninjas or samurais to manage everyone through their combat skills, they just need the equipment (as in weapons) and basic training on their weapons and tactics to be able to manage anyone. With the power of numbers on their side if needed. Because it's not about them proving they are the best in combat, it's about them enforcing the law for the benefit of all of us

ok man you say that like its a bad thing besides more assaults happen with fists because someones angry and guess what you always have them unless they get cut off but.

You don’t understand real world scenarios. Stop trying to.

@@Lorenzo_Marchetti4537 You're right, I've just carried one at work for years. No experience whatsoever. I'm glad you think so highly of yourself and that you think less of others.

Exactly it creates an obstacle between the aggressor and defender

@@Lorenzo_Marchetti4537 not sure where your other comment went big guy. You gotta give respect to get it. Don't discount the experiences of others, especially considering policing and being in the military are two totally different monsters. Just as being in a combat zone vs here in the United States.

@@chrissnoeberger192 Not sure where it went either, maybe KZfaq deleted it. I’ve given enough of myself to this country pal, two bullet wound scars and constant nightmares confirm that. Whatever experiences you faced on the streets are nothing compared to what I did, I can assure you.

This video was clearly made by and for men. I’m gonna buy one

But Aiden is 6' something

It's a equalizer

Yeah of course when your 5'0 flat you need to use everything that your hand touches like bottle of beer chair a mug everything

@@Stillnotking1 good eh!!

That is actually probably the worse situation to try and use one in my opinion. It requires a large swing to be at all effective. You are not going to be able to swing it enough while inside the car to have an effect.

@@cgsec2275she might get dragged out of the car. Besides, being alone in some dark highway trying to sleep, I would feel more comfortable with anything in my hand than nothing. I rather have 20 inches of steel than nothing.

Red circle: Useful. Yes, it can kill you if hits head or neck. Blue circle: Legal. Not so useful.

Ah, another dumbass that goes "Oh, why don't you just get hit by one, then?" LMAO. Not only did you complete fail to watch the video or understand it, you literally said the thing being called out.

tell me you missed the whole point of a video, without telling me you missed the whole point of a video. Congratulations on being "That guy"

But that’s exactly the point, it can definitely kill but if you’re a cop and in a deadly force encounter, you should go for your gun. The thing about being an LEO is that policy will dictate where and when you can hit with a baton. That’s usually it’s when a subject is assault is combative. And you can only hit primary and secondary zones. Primary being center mass or the meaty parts of the arms and legs; quads, hamstrings, calves, biceps, and triceps. Secondary being the bones parts of the arms and legs; knees, elbow, wrists, and shoulders but must be justified in the use of force spectrum. The head, neck, spine, groin and chest are completely off limits unless you’re involved in a deadly force encounter. But if an assaultive subject escalates to deadly force by pulling a knife or a gun out, you can’t rely on the baton to end the threat. You will most likely be going for your gun too. If the subject is assaultive, by following policy and only targeting the authorized primary locations, your strikes may be ineffective. If you strike secondary zones you will be more effective and possibly legal but risk hitting the red zones and using deadly force when it’s not needed and getting fired/arrested after the fact. If the baton is all you have, you are most likely in SOL. Now imagine the subject manages to grab it and take it from you and use it against you, since they are untrained and not subjected to rules, they will strike your head, neck, or ribs and put you into a deadly force encounter. In that case you better have a gun.

Agreed

Adam Collins yea boy that shit dumb scary, debating getting one for my girl

@@hatimelouaqour610 if u live in a sketch area and u cant get her a concealed carry I'd say get her one seems crazy effective

I have a cut bull whip just under 1 metre. It bruise the hell out of you but would not kill you or make you lose an eye like that metal lash

Buy her a Rosie O'Donnell costume, she will never be safer

Adam Collins I wear an extra long wallet chain. Made of welded link stainless steel chain with a 3/4.” Link. Looks like a fashion accessory until I take it off and start swinging it 😄 That metal cable whip is just the next evolution of the “wallet” chain that bikers have carried for decades.😊

With perfect accuracy, then yes you don't run the risk of killing somebody with a baton. However nobody has perfect accuracy, and if you accidentally strike somebody in the temple with that thing you can absolutely kill them with it. Granted it's not as big of a risk of killing the person as a knife would be, but there's still a risk.

@@zaodedong9935 I think the baton is a nice in between a knife and a gun. Its better to have a non accurate shot with a baton than a gun and the length/distance than a knife against the opponent... atleast in the US legality on polices side never mattered too much anyway🤷‍♀️ If one gotta be trained on accuracy and being able to stop oneself once the targets been taken down( I had the word in my head but it escaped me) I'd take control over a baton rather than a gun. Control over a gun is def needed but it shouldn't be no1 priority in teachings to discredit the use of batons and other not-immediately-deadly weappns/tools.

@@vendettaverrone7159 I was simply talking about lethality, not effectiveness. I fully agree that a baton is effective in a self-defense situation.

@@zaodedong9935 in a self defense situation if they have a knife and are threatening you with it congrats they have revoked their right to live if they die in the scuffle they earned it

@@zaodedong9935 oh yeah I'm gunna feel so bad if the dude that attacked me for no reason dies from his injuries. Do you people even like live in reality. You must have never been in anything close to an actual altercations with another person who wants to hurt you.

Nice to see I'm not the only person who's see how stupid this is

@@jaymstergms3596 yeah mate i'm agree for you guys, no offense but this content is stupid really, obviously he's never been hit by Baton in the head, because I've done it to a bad guy on the street, and it's work, the person fell and was unconscious instantly.

Fun fact: law in my country is more clear about carring knife of any lenght than expendable baton

@@Petaurista13 he is a foolish man Big mouth...

@@martysherwood8853 who?

Yeah pretty much. He maybe has a point for the cops, but anyone else who gets attacked should absolutely be smacking their assailant in the head with a metal bar if they don't have a gun.

​@Apple Support For Police a gun should be the very last thing they use to gain compliance. For a regular person a gun should also be the last thing on your list of priorities. Being a gun carrying advocate doesn't mean that he believes its always ok to shoot someone to death, and even if he believes that at the very least a gun is way more effective than a baton. Police carry a gun because they are tasked with entering a dangerous situation. The gun is a last resort and should be treated as such. Yes, hitting someone on the head with a baton will make them bleed out and probably die and shooting someone will probably do the same thing, but if that's the case then why carry the baton if it's just going to do the guns job less effectively and safely for the person who carries it. The issue he points is that the use cases of a baton where they are effective aren't typically legal, and the times where its legal to use the baton don't gain compliance. However, this idea may be biased given that whenever a baton is used unlawfully, videos of that scenario are sent online and get views, which would never be the case with the times batons were used legally. Besides the alternatives Hard2Hurt recommends are tactical whips, which he fully acknowledges would probably not be a good, justifiable idea for a citizen, let alone a police officer lol. But at least they were whipped into compliance instead of having their heads bleeding out.

Right? I thought this guy was being sarcastic or something. it's a very effective weapon.

the point is, in a fight a baton doesnt really hurt and doesnt make people comply, unless you hit them in the head, but if you hit someone in the head with a baton it might kill them, for a cop i dont need to explain why is dumb to use a Non-lethal weapon that only makes effect if you use lethal force with it, for a untrained civilian, using a baton most likely you will lose the baton an then get hit by it, as a trained civilian, if you have a little bit of racionality and emotion, you know that killing someone is not a good thing to do and will change your life forever so probably its not how you're gonna handle every situation.

@appIesupport yeah, break his knees, perhaps torn a ligament and maybe give them permanent damage. if you wanna make people hurt, there is other weapons more eficient than a baton. and if you wanna make people comply, there is other tools more eficient than a baton. so why use a baton really?

Word for word

He hit me in the tooth all careless like that I'd punch him in the mouth.

@@jasonpatio8338 he was a police officer tho

@@ivanjoshuamichel1344 He's also an egomaniac but we'll gloss over that

That's all I was thinking the whole time too... he's bitching about safety and compliance and not hurting people, the whole time literal inches away from accidentally smashing his buddy's teeth in. Hypocrisy in action.

All u guys in this little comment thread r pussys lmao.

May I ask why

@@whatever12. funnily enough for example in New York where guns are hard to obtain, batons are legal

Legendary Force If you (an officer) feel threatened because a perp is larger than you, that’s not a good enough reason to use force

@Legendary Force Clearly you are not a LEO. What he failed to demonstrate in the video is that even striking with the baton is ineffective. The only part on the baton worth landing a strike with is the threaded tip. When you are fighting and have adrenaline pumping, aiming that threaded tip where you want it to go on a person that is attacking you and moving is near impossible. I've seen them used in person three times and none of the times were they effective. The only time they are worth a shit is if you hit a bony (illegal) area with the threaded tip. The only "legal" areas to hit a human with a baton in a law enforcement capacity are meaty areas of the body. If you hit bony areas and break them, now you have to explain why you hit a bony area (probably because the suspect was moving) to avoid losing your job or obtaining charges. Personally, my baton has stayed in it's holster (I'm required to have it) since I've been doing my job. I'd rather use my hands and OC spray.

You have to have an expensive one to be effective. Like over $75 and up. Those will not break and are sturdy and will fold someone. The older ones in like '98 to 2003 were pure steel and extremely hard to close and open. To open you had to have good technique and super flick of the wrist. To close them you had to pound them on the damn ground.

so your a poet that needs to cary a self defense baton and have been in 4 situations where it worked as intended? what did someone not give you the right change and you beat them half to death and got it corrected?

@@xati5135 What a weirdo you are. Women, feminine people and minorities get attacked all the time, whether you believe us or not. You’re probably the kind of person who’d pointlessly attack too. You did with your comment, after all.

Ah, yes, four occasions where you either unlawfully assaulted someone with it, or used it as a drying rack.

I'm sorry that the internet is full of such shitty people. I would also like to hear, however the stories of what happened. The more we know the better informed we are and the better prepared we are.

@@NoName-mi8js Nonsense. Drying clothing is what the Peleton is for!

Michael Stythax that’s stupid, you have to duct tape duel wielding batons to your duel wielding batons for maximum force

And to totally maximize it, duck tape a pair on each foot, now your round house kicks will have extended reach!

SageAir13 Now we need extended baton armor

@@anxiousclan176 Lord of bones type armour of batons, and with enough duck tape and batons we could also make a baton dragon to ride into da streetz

Michael Stythax An expandable baton dragon, what about A Baton princess

Be alive to tell your story, instead being carried in a casket, what ever works

In cali they are completely illegal.. the justice system favors criminals here so my only options are run( family of 4) a 3 inch knife taser or tiny oc spray.... I wish we could carry a baton here. I never want to use a knife for self defence and tasers dont help you keep distance.

I haven't been a police officer, and I really don't understand the procedures. I'd prefer to ask about the "effective vs legal" problem. Don't police officers know the difference between an attacker and an ordinary person?

@@oneproudbrowncoat not really. I saw a black man on the news get shot for pulling up his pants..

Whoop

Bro didn't watch the video

I'd rather have it on me than my pocket knife if someone attacks me

Because you could kill your attacker. If you use a laser you can just blind him and he becomes harmless.

@@-dale2051 ok and? If someone attacks me, sorry you might get killed. A laser is going to be be super unreliable, way less reliable and smacking someone in the head with a steel rod.

@@rlanger3108 but then you're going to prison

@@-dale2051 Not in the U.S, self-defense kills usually hold up in court.

pretty much

Yep

An ineffective weapon, at least in the video.

@@fadechicobuarque1989 Well I don't think that was his point. Batons *are* effective, too effective, they just fuck people up.

Would you not want to have a weapon for defense?

Cap.

I could swing a small tree branch at a guy and he'd flinch. It's this thing called a reflex.

@@brandonkey181 yeah well the baton is easier to carry than the branch so...

Exactly

@@brandonkey181 Here's a question....WHY is it a reflex?

@@GenesisXTRM because fast moving objects are dangerous

Metro Sidearm where’d she have it? Her purse or?

Sounds like bullshit

Frank Taylor sounds easily possible tho, it gives the user a way to cause more damage to defend themselves better. Yes it can be taken away, so can a knife and gun albeit not as easily.

The reason we're calling bullshit is You need some good leverage to expand it. When you're wrestled on the ground is not easily opened. And we know from experience using this. And this is probably why op hasn't replied cause they know it's bullshit as most of us with a go-go-good brain call bullshit

@@ericsalidbar1693 they said pushed to the ground, not wrestled on the ground. If someone pushes you onto the ground and stands over you, I’m sure you could pull out a baton and whack someone on the knee with it.

Wow, an anime quote, followed up with a misunderstanding of the law. As much as I like the idea of just killing everyone that takes a swing at you, that is in fact, not allowed. Reasonable force.

@@NoName-mi8js What anime? if you could name it id love to watch it also... reasonable force doesn't matter when your life is at risk, how are you gonna say a baton is bad but in the US guns are allowed in most states

@@l0sts0ul89 But it does matter, legally. A lot of states have a escalation of force law. If someone raises fists, immediately going for a knife, a baton, or a gun, and using them, can land you in prison, especially if the person dies. I know a lot of people will say, "Judged by 12 rather than carried by 6" and consider that reasonable force in any circumstance, but it doesn't work that way. I had a friend who tried to STOP a fist fight between two other guys get sucker punched by one of the guys friends, hit his head on the concrete, and now he has trouble talking and thinking clearly. So I understand, personally, the want to NOT let that happen to me and the WANT to draw on someone in a fist fight. But the law doesn't see it that way.

"Mostly peaceful protesters"

This dudes weird. Batons are great weapons. It would be great for dog defence too instead of a walking stick or mace.

@@St.FighterZ It's good against dogs, but only use it against people if you are very proficient with it, otherwise if your opponent is even somewhat skilled in CQC, then if you swing the baton around then he is going to kick your ass. I found out that it's best to use a telescopic baton as a STABBING weapon, not as a swinging/impact weapon. It's tip is blunt so there is little chance of it causing severe injury that could lead to death, and trust me when I say it....IT fucking hurts like hell when you are stabbed in the stomach with it.

Yeah your right

Sir, What's the name of this tool. And from where i can buy this? Please tell me

@@abdullahalmehedi5758 They are illegal in some countries. Check out your local laws before trying to buy one.

Fuck ya party on

should make a pig skewer with it

I wish it has a tazer on the end so you could feel like a magnaguard

I TOUGHT THE SAME THING

Ya but it's to short to use the superior fighting style: Form 2, Makashi

Ah, I guess when people assaulting you are so kind to give you such a head start that you are able to run to your door, find your baton (that you walk around with, but also is in your car), and then bring it out and deploy it, it is very effective!

@@NoName-mi8js He did say these were kids, not hardened criminals who are skilled fighters. So, it probably did exactly what he said it did.

@@NoName-mi8js ah yes because you rush someone when there standing 2 inches next to you.....

Technically yes. Any tool is for self defense but everyone just ouright uses to smack people.

NO

What kind of self defense do you practice? The gentle kind?

@@mindsstalker If the tool isn't a shield or not being there, must be a weapon. If weapon, designed to hurt/kill people.

No, defence is the shields (or body armour for example) primary purpose to protect against incoming attacks. The sword or mace(in this case baton because let's face it baton and mace are just fancy words for fancy clubs) are for offence delivering damage to incapacitate or kill an enemy. Yes either or can be used for their oppisite intentions from which they were intended. but it's the primary purpose either was made for that should classify it as either a defencive tool or an offencive tool after all that is what it will be best at. Clubs, guns ,tazers swords, knifes, pepper spray these are all personal offence tool or "weapons". Understand Offence or the threat of it is also in its self a form of defence because it can discourage potential assailants from attempting to attack. And when attacked it may be nessasarry to meet the incoming attack and retaliate to it in order to insure your continuing personal safety which is what everyone is really talking about when they talk about "self defence" really it's a conversation about "personal safety" and what levels of "offencive measures" and "defence messures" are warranted to maintain it.

@Molly Bason when i said hurt the guy that wants to hurt you I meant stop him from hurting you. You can stop him by inflicting pain.

He doesn't understand that, he's rather think he's the end all be all on topics like this because he's a former cop. What a joke of an officer.

@Molly Bason no, self defense isn't "removing yourself from a dangerous situation" That's called fleeing. Self-defense is literally about winning a fight, are you incompetent?

@Molly Bason if you avoid conflict then you don't need self defense. Self defense is the act of physically stopping the threat. Removing yourself from the situation is safer but it isn't always an option.

@Molly Bason you can't defend yourself from something that isn't attacking you. again fleeing and self-defense are two different things if you flee you don't have to defend If you defend that means you didn't flee or were unable to. Dude come on it's pretty simple any lawyer or officer or martial artist or MMA fighter or anyone that knows a hint about what self-defense actually is could tell you that

I am a night club bouncer 7 yrs, and I’ve successfully used my baton on numerous occasions to deter silly drunks, and Also successfully defended myself as well as others by physically using it…

Yeah. Idk if he just has an issue with cops or what but I have no idea how someone’s gonna say that a long metal stick s not a good weapon. Range and force. That’s like saying a bat isnt a good weapon. Ummmm yes tf it is

If it comes to a legitimate threat to your life why wouldn't you simply use a gun then? Far more effective than a stick. Lots of places a baton is looked at as the same level of force as a firearm. So even that argument depending on the area doesn't really pan out.

Yeah but he's not talking about well experienced martial artists. He's talking about everyday common people using a baton for self defense. The point of self defense is defending your life in the most efficient and effective way possible. A common person is going to be way more of both of those if using a gun, over a baton, bar none. In your effective way possible. A common person is going to be way more of both of those if using a gun, over a baton, bar none. In your scenario, if an experienced martial artist were to use said baton, in a court of law that might be misconstrued as being more assault with intent to kill than self defense, which makes a huge difference. It's viewed as, well if you hit this person here in X place or you hit them X amount of times then you intended on hurting that subject rather than just defending yourself. If you shoot a subject in the chest twice while he's coming at you, then at least here in the state of texas, that's known as standing your ground. Not to mention that if you hurt someone, even someone that attacked you, that person can come back and sue the shit out of you. Self defense is about way more than just being good at fighting. It's about knowing what to do and what not to do in a given situation, and knowing how the laws in your state work.

this dude is literally just click baiting people now cause his content sucks balls. he goes on about how useless it is and at 3:35 he states that a danger could be that the attacker will disarm you and use it against you.. quite literally shot himself in the foot and then put foot in his own mouth. that must be the dumbest self own ever

@@1911GreaterThanALL Guns can miss, hit unintended targets. Batons, sticks, knives don't miss. I would rather a baton than a gun. Guns require distance and not effective in close range. Guns are good but knowing range and something to use for up close is also good. Most fights, start in close range.

@@stanknight9159 If you literally put the muzzle onto a threat and pull the trigger the threat goes away or is highly dissuaded. You can miss with anything. You can swing and miss a baseball you can swing and miss a person. A firearm poses the risk of being taken from you and used against you just like a baton or whatever. However a firearm is the best tool in terms of force.

...but can be used if necessary.

Your mistake was feeding the worthless stray dogs. They didn't defend you.

A nunchaku can intimidate a lot more But it's a lot harder to learn how to use it properly

If they are there to murk you they would most certainly carry a gun and a baton ain’t going to deter them. I’d rather have a gun in those scenario.

@@Magodaparty try showing off them Nun chuck moves and you’ll end up walking yourself 😂😂

I was thinking about buying one for this exact reason. Can you link me the one you have and also is it legal to carry?

Pierre LeDouche I live in uk so it’s probably illegal but there’s too many violent hungry people Walking around with knifes now to risk it

Can I ask what job you do in the UK?

@@mrsentencename7334 search ExB-18hs Most durable and legal

Telescopic batons are classed as offensive weapons in the UK and thus illegal to carry.

Where i can bye one

@@destro25official77 on his website.

@@destro25official77 there is this European website that sells the best quality ones. If you look up best quality batons on KZfaq there should be a link in one of those videos.

I got One

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I busted him all up with it. Some of it got cut out haha.

It's fair. His bud got even with that cable whip.

Maybe he needed some suppression lol

@gregtubez so he was a standard patrol officer for 8 years and his experience is most likely the initial training and annual in service training, and nothing really further than that in regard to departmental training?

So it does work.

I use mine for aggressive dogs. It works great.

What about when they're not attacking?

The Hessian he literally says the exact words, this is not an effective self defense tool

Oh ok, with that logic a grenade is a self defence tool then yeah, it’ll certainly stop someone from attacking you

@@chikenmorris7170 I spent years in armed security. The Baton acted between my pepper spray and pistol. By the time you reach for a baton, your only other option is putting a .40 JHP in someone's face. I'd prefer to have that option. The Baton is good for creating distance between you and an attacker. It's a reliable way to take someone down, without executing them, in close quarters. I don't know about police work, but it's great for security. Whereas a firearm is "deadly force", a baton is only "deadly force" if used on the head, face or neck. Anywhere else and it's much easier to justify.

The difference here is that for police as an example, they aren't trying to fend them off....... they are trying to subdue the suspect (and usually) arrest them.

You should come to West Baltimore then.

That’s actually kinda useful sounding though

Good reply. But I have to ask you honestly, as you are the professional in confrontations by likely sheer number of experience. _If_ a baton is weapon where it is clearly not for self defensive, and is dangerously offensive on many levels from legality, concealment, and assault charge more likely because one is using said offensive weapon.... Does this not make it the ultimate deterant? Did you have to draw it ever, or had you felt it did have some deterant factor for compliance? I realize of course one should not carry anything they are not willing to use, and applied to carrying an offensive weapon, that is an issue. But still, isn't there a 'fear of the bâton' that it does work for a deterant of action? If you had to reach for a weapon, (assuming the other is unarmed) would it not be better to shift policing away from deadly force of a gun to choosing an effective offensive weapon? ('Charline horses', break a hand finger, or forearm.) Would this not be better than straight to the Colt, for death avoidance?

@@thethree60five from my experience and being around other law enforcement officers from around the country, baton does not deter people. Also if it reached a point where I had to draw and use a firearm the time to wound the person has past.

@@jsocks1984 Thanks for the reply. I appreciate that. I am honestly curious and you seem to be the right person to ask. That's the point I was trying to get at as well, at what point could they be used, or as you said, it has already escalated past that. British Police where they don't carry guns and there isn't as much 'gun culture' or gun violent clashes with police, seem to use it as a deterrent. Totally different situation of course, I am just a little surprised that it isn't seen as more of a deterrent. So in your opinion should officers or all officers be given them? What _is_ the point then, in the training/carry ?

This. I train is Muay Thai and Kali. My kali instructor straight up says to run if you see a knife. And if you can't run, or you have your family / children with you you need to protect, then have something on you, like a firearm (if legal in your area), mace, flashlight, baton, or something, to try and defend yourself you. BUT, know that you're going to get cut either way and perhaps die.

Taser.

@@tonyperez4713 Soft hands, Hard hands, Chemical, Taser, Baton, Firearm. Taser is generally less-lethal than a baton, but Taser is better than nothing, and better than hitting or killing someone... but it's best to have a baton in between that gun and taser. Would you rather just shoot someone dead OR hit them twice with a baton and live? ... One is minor injury, the other is they are killed by you. Think hard.

@@aandyherr817 a taser can actually cause cardiac arrest and people with pacemakers will die from tasers. Most security guards aren’t allowed to carry tasers because of that.

​@@FormallyKoki This is a lie people use to try and help criminals out. This isn't how they work

​@Koki also I'm a security guard and we have less restrictions than police do. Police don't really carry them anymore and it's because they are usually ineffective and we are in the midst of a Fentanyl epidemic

like i say, half of self defense is presentation, if you can present yourself in a way that shows potential aggressors that you aren't someone to fuck around with, it will dissuade any assaults/muggings. whipping out a baton is one such way of doing that by showing you have a weapon and are willing to use it, but avoiding the potential pitfalls that pulling a gun might have (for example if you are in a crowded situation where bringing a gun into that situation could lead to collateral damage, or might not actually be allowed either socially or legally)

@@DaHuntsman1 not to mention that drawing a gun means you could get popped by another good guy with a gun who misidentifies YOU as the threat.

Y’all are taking the words right out of my mouth. It’s the truth.

Yeah, I think I agree with all the comments and not this guy, on this one. I have been researching the collapsible baton because I have been taking kick boxing and stick fighting classes for about a year and a half, and am getting reasonably good with the Kali sticks that I would likely be able to defend against someone who had a knife. I will never be good enough with a knife to defend against a knife-and it looks like nobody really is. I figure a collapsible baton should be a decent stand-in for a kali stick. :)

@@graveyj2000 And don't discount the kali stick if you have nothing else left lol. Getting smashed by one of those HURTS. Not as much as a baton, but still.

Video explicitly talks about the flaws of the expandable baton, so I don't see why it should include other batons, except in the argument for police use. And I believe the argument there is that there is a relatively small amount of scenarios where using a baton on someone is both effective and legal, not really that the baton doesn't do damage.

Agree. This is what you use against another weapon.

Definitely I have one

And in some situations a weapon like this is the only practical legal alternative to being unarmed

Ryde_JA Agree 100%. If you had to fight someone with a knife empty hand, your getting jacked up no matter what, if you have a baton, your in pretty good shap

@@Mikesullin You're getting jacked when equipped a baton too, unless it's a shitty stupid duel. Don't get into duels. People will rarely back down when hit with a baton (as opposed, say, getting faceful of pepper spray) and it's as hard to keep distance or strike effectively with one of these as unarmed. And the weapon locks an untrained user into dangerous swings which open you to knife stabs everywhere if the attacker just takes a hit. It's the equivalent of wild haymakers.

I think that is an important point that people cant really grasp usually when it comes to this stuff.

Yeah this is wrong, I've personally seen it done many times, it just has to be performed right

Give this man the bullshit award.

@bfk4lif yes many times, my dad's a baton instructor for the police department he works for and I've watched many classes

@bfk4lif I don't have any videos of him on duty but I think he teaches a class not this Thursday but next Thursday I can probably video some of the sparring footage

I absolutely agree. I've been a cop for 40+ years. Retired but still work special duty assignments. I started with a 23" wood baton. I loved it. The baton is not a "beat into submission" weapon. It is used in addition to other self defense strategies. Create distance, intimidation, holds and take-downs. On duty my last 20 years I carried an ASP 19" steel collapsible. Thank you Bigwood 360 for your service. (I have to ask, is "Bigwood" have some special meaning??)

@@danbeck6654 Retired Sgt, the white inmates were considered woods or peckerwoods, I was knick named BIG WOOD by the other races so it just stuck and I had no problem with it

I had to chuckle. I figured there was a story behind the name. Thanks again for your service.

@@danbeck6654 You to brother 👍👍

I retractable staff would be far more effective for self defensive and deescalation. Learn to be better than out dated shit traditions

It appears like If its effective its legal over there

And in Russian

Gabriel Chan hk police cut up a girl and threw her in the bay

I don’t want things that are “legal” in Hong Kong to be legal in America. There is a cultural aspect as well Americans relationships with and feelings towards law enforcement is different from almost every in the world and the baton is most effective as psychological deterrent.

@GazB85 www.scmp.com/news/hong-kong/society/article/3033079/new-campus-security-camera-clips-released-showing-movements

And hasn't yielded any evidence of the baton's usefulness...

@@hard2hurt theres literally stories in the comments at this point of people successfully defending themselves with a baton. Your a joke if you need some statistic to tell you large heavy weapon is good for defense and offense. Have you ever seen a fight. People like to pick up stuff and swing it at the person, and it usually pretty effective. Oh but excuse me oh great wise one only you can say if they work or not. Waste of human.

@@tangerinetech5300 saltminer42 has spoken

That's true on my account at least if anything this vid convinced me to buy one.......... Or is that what he wanted

@@tangerinetech5300 like me was a security guard for bars and had real street fights with gangs I have stories about effectively defending against guns, batons, knifes and glass bottles. Using boxing, Jeet kune do and wing chun techniques, karate techniques and jiu jitsu and especially krav maga techniques which actually uses alot of things from all of the above. This prat and his friend have proven nothing like I said in my own long comments to him he should get his friend to hit him full force or hit himself full force or hell he should pick a legit fight with an actual police officer armed with a baton see how effective it is in real combat when your actually been properly hit, or choked or jabbed in the eyes, neck with it. These fake KZfaq fighters and mcdojos can talk all the shit they want until they are been literally smacked to death with it and the person's actually trying to hurt you. What made me laugh too was he was doing proper techniques or using to do grappels but the way he was doing them in an effective self defense way was completely off and clearly uneducated. He was not showing what you have to do once you have them in a choke lock or arm lock with it using it as leverage to push the arm down and takedown with then following that through with hits to face, stomach and head proper self defense you wanna do with a baton not do the shit he does it this crap video. Trying to say batons don't work is like saying a hook punch, finger jab to the throat or elbow strike to the face or kick to the shin or head or ribs or even arm lock and arm bar or bo staff or sword don't work absolute bullshit artist. Should stick to their little dojo sparing and point system competition fighting with their rules and legalized fighting with a ring and referee and crowds to cheer and boo them instead of making fake claims about weapons developed for self defense and has been used for decades by police and military. Stupid to even make such a claim. Especially when they are challenging people to call them out on it I did that and so many actual police officers, security guards, military and self defense martial artist have all throughout the comment section complete bull shitters. They should try underground bare knuckle like I've done it's barely any rules and it's illegal see if they last then, Soon learn which martial arts and which self defense techniques and weapons works then. Or go train to with military or police I had police and army cadets training with me in both my Jeet kune do and krav maga dojos because those are effective martial arts. all these MMA fighters forget Bruce Lee created the first MMA fighting style. Also karate, wing Chun, Kung Fu and alot of traditional martial arts are literally copied from to create their modern Martial arts.

why? isn't it easier to just break a window with the grip of your gun? the baton is simply not practical for those use cases

@@ManifestingADream and risk a misfire? No fuckin way

@@supahcomix your're right, it might be easier to just fire a round through the window instead. good thinking

@@ManifestingADream your name has to take the cake for the most ironic i've ever seen on the internet

@@ManifestingADream These days some baton comes with a tip that embeded with a carbide glass breaker. A small life tip: hit the glass at the higher corner when you are trying to break car window.

Yeah baton is like a bandana it has multiple uses not just one use

what about riots?

Yep

Your comment was more informative than this guys whole video.

Thanks for that info. I have a suspicion that this youtubers police career was not in an urban area. And I dislike his mock "open-mindednes"

This ^^^^^^^

Wow...it's amazing what happens when someone uses there brain. Good thing you did.

spanking tactic noted.

I was thinking the same. Force multiplier. Plus it technically isn’t lethal compared to a gun. Is it as effective as a gun? No.

Exactly. The whole point of melee weapons is to enhance what you already have. Yeah, you can lock someone without a baton, if you know the technique. Add a baton and you’re now twice as capable of disabling the threat. If using a non lethal melee weapon doesn’t up your game, you’re shit at martial arts to begin with.

I'm so happy I bought one

Brandon most common was probably a quarter staff, spear, or axe. Def spear was very common. Maces not so much since their greatest use was against full plate (typical fantasy knight armor), and a commoner wasn’t likely to come up against a warrior who could afford full plate. As for swords, well crafted ones, such as the Norse Ulfbert, were indeed very pricy, but I believe you could get a kind of shitty one for a decent price. Not everyone walked around with swords, but they were easily one of the most popular weapons for self defense - if you were going to be traveling or something, you might bring a sword with for protection.

If someone pulls a knife it can be used to attack the hand or arm.

Chains ? Im a complete novice in a fight situation but I think a baton would be advantageous over a chain because of the quicker recovery reaction 2nd and 3rd striking ability. Chain having a longer reach than baton but longer reactive 2nd strike ability?

If someone comes at you with a knife fucking ventilate them lol what do you do when a friend, family member, or random drunk starts swingin at ya tho?

Blunt force trauma to the head is the quickest way to end up in jail for manslaughter. Seriously, look up the guys that accidentally killed people just by punching them once. You go for the elbows, thighs, shoulders and the like.

@@denimnoir6163 And in walks the teenager who thinks he knows better because he reads news articles. Gg.

Yup that’s how I was when I was 16 and I’d use my friends for practice. This guy needs more humility he thinks he’s the shit!

Yeah, it's really hard to even listen to his spiel, let alone take him seriously, when he's constantly flying around like a kid on too much sugar.

I like push daggers for street fights , never had to use them but with certain types of push daggers it would be impossible to disarm you , and if youre up against 5 thugs , if you stick one or two the fights over

Agree. The most effective self defense is a couter-strike. Like what the hell am i supposed to do? Deflect punches until they give up?

@Coni Glione youre naive. Choosing to be unprepared is fine , but in real life people doe if theyre unprepared

Coni Glione Well, people attack other people all the time for no reason. You haven’t given a iota of evidence that it doesn’t happened, and I’ve personally seen it happen, so. 🤷‍♂️

@Coni Glione how about chicago , pretty much a warzone people die every night

@Coni Glione Truly you are a master wordsmith. Your intellectualism is an inspiration to us all.

@Coni Glione don't challenge people boi. Even normal people can become violent and all defensive if they feel like their life is in threat.

It's better than bare hands, certainly. My question is, is there a better alternative. This guy hasn't presented one, not in this video anyway.

Yeah japaneses know that

And go to jail dumbass

To quote Greta, "How DARE you!?"

@Fat kid from Up and that's a problem? Police carry tasers and guns if you didn't know that

*ahem* 5:57

@Fat kid from Up what the fuck are you talking about? The guy in the video said it was bad, and anybody who doesn't think it's a weapon is an idiot. My point was that it's a weapon, and in being a weapon isn't a problem. And it's funny you just assumed I'm liberal lol. I carry a 1911 everyday, have an AR15, an SKS, and a Remington 870 about 5 feet away. So please shut the fuck up and think before you type. Who's the one telling themselves stupid shit now?

so firearms can be counted as defensive weapons if you won't use them for killing but for injuring so you can run away from the attacker

These kinda batoms are pretty lethal tho

In finland security guards can only carry these kinda batons, pepper spray and scuffs and some more little stuff but only like 1% can even carry gun so this is mostly their most lethal equipment

Anything, no matter what it is if not properly trained and used, will fail. Human beings fail.

@sophisticated B Police don't even know how to "get hands on". I've seen footage of cops getting easily overpowered by assailants in physical confrontations and it's pathetic to watch. The fact is that the training budget can not cover much of the training in intense and effective hand to hand techniques that are necessary and that cops should be taught. I even heard that the Gracie family has offered free training to certain police departments in order to assist with this lack of available hand to hand training.

Everyone fart wafting in this thread as if cops have any idea of what a person has at all times. Cops dont go hands on because they're smarter than you. No telling if the person has a knife, gun, blunt weapon, or whatever. Morons always point fingers because we learn what the suspect had or didnt AFTER the fact. Fuckin dip shits