1000 percent agree.

You take a sip from your trusty vault 13 canteen

Players complaining about 4's legendary enemy bullet sponges simply haven't met Keeng Ra'at on a non-melee build

Why can’t I play them on series x where is my port 😂

I just stick with 1,2 tactics and 3,new vegas (I call new new vegas fallout 3, new vegas)

Because everyone would just call it the boneyard. You do realize it's a wasteland right? People wouldn't have the same names for things all the time. Especially the ghoul he would still call it LA since that's what he remembers it as.

​@@michaelostergren3516 True, (nerd aneurysm incoming) but when there's no mention of any prior/current settlement in L.A. as a reference or nothing, it's just another dead city with a functioning power grid somehow? It just makes it come across as if Bethesda couldn't care less about previous lore seeing as it's mentioned as a growing place in NV 10 years before the show takes place & how they already moved Shady sands location for plot convenience. Might come across as whining but if you're writing a show based on a location that's already been written for you the least you could do is watch a recap instead of just wiping the slate

Fair 2 say ​@@bearlogg7974

​@@bearlogg7974clearly to some, (Me) Bethesda does not give a damn. Imo

@bearlogg7974 I mean.. in the game it's not exactly clear where it is either. The map from fallout 1 isn't exactly accurate. But I get what you mean. I think Bethesda and the director really wanted to focus on the mystery of vault tech and why they did the experiments in the first place. So they condensed alot of things to make it work. But at the same time we have no idea how much time passes in between cuts. It could be days or weeks of time they walked for. They cut that kinda stuff out of shows for brevity. Plus in the games themselves distances are significantly shortened, like Boston is so much bigger in real life but it's just a quick 10 minute run in game. It really feels like they honed in on the game logic. I.E Stimpacks

its so funny tho because the post-apocalyptic scavenging they choose to depict is picking up six hundred cups. in new vegas you go looking for superweapons

They could create more marketable aspects of the franchise if they had talent. Think about how memorable the Legion is, or House is with the Securitrons, for example. They have no confidence in themselves and no desire to take risks.

@@CrizzyEyes thats the most frustrating thing. every black isle/obby fallout game introduces new things and, because they write well, people love them. it makes sense since fallout comes out of tabletop games, its built for ideas generation. its doubly frustrating when you consider the cool stuff bethsoft is capable of, i love mirelurks and those little liberator robots from 76

​@basedsneedclave175the problem with bethesda is that they they treat fallout the same way with elder scrolls making you literally play skyrim but with guns.

@@fiji9258 Mirelurks are literally just mudcrabs. Actually, it kind of annoys me slightly every time Bethesda inserts a reference to Elder Scrolls just for the sake of it. Sweet rolls also exist in Fallout for the same reason. It's not just that it's referential. Fallout obviously contains plenty of referential humor. It's more like it's a lame, shallow reference, and to their own IP as well. It feels, I don't know, self-serving and narcissistic. Like if Avellone were to make a reference to Pillars of Eternity in his next Fallout game. It doesn't feel like they're making a reference to something that inspired them, but shamelessly plugging their own product.

Problem with this is NV is nothing like Fallout 1, tonally, stylistically or mechanically. Fallout 2 is nothing like 1 either and in fact 2 is far sillier, far more tonally inconsistent and far dumber than anything Bethesda has done with the franchise (I say that as someone who likes 2 the best as well). Fallout 3 is tonally and narratively closer to 1 than any other title in the series is. People can rightly point out logic holes (although as if there aren't mountains of those in NV or FO2) or personally dislike elements of it, but this idea that there's some predefined 'classic Fallout' that 2 and NV are examples of, is utterly ridiculous. Beyond some surface level visual elements NV and FO2 are nothing like the original at all, they're not even that much like each other. The writing in FO2 is inconsistent as all hell and the writing in NV has it's peaks and valleys too. All fans like yourself are doing is creating and maintaining a sense of elitism. If NV and 2 actually were more like 1 than the bethesda titles are then you'd have some sort of an argument but they aren't like 1 and they aren't even like each other *and* the closest title to the original by far is a bethesda title. People who like FO3 or even 4 may well like them for their writing, roleplaying, world or themes. Suggesting that they only like Fallout for the "sandbox" but people who agree with you like it for "deeply engaging with the dynamics of the world" is as overtly pretentious as it gets. Btw, FO3 is also thematically closer to 1 than the rest of the series is and certainly 2 and NV are worlds apart from the core themes of 1. Those core themes also weren't about macro managing communities. Shows how much you know I guess. Your second paragraph also makes no sense whatsoever. Bethesda didn't make the show, didn't write it, didn't come up with the idea to tie it into NV, didn't come up with the idea to use shady sands. None of that has anything to do with bethesda or their style at all. And just like how NV is nothing like 2 and neither of those are anything like 1, Fallout 4 is nothing like 3. So how much of a predefined style does Bethesda even have when it comes to Fallout? I lose brain cells reading comments like yours, I hate to be rude but I honestly do. You're just being a pretentious elitist nerd. Try relaxing, liking what you like, disliking what you dislike, but just without being all elitist about it. It isn't hard to do. You don't need to like Fallout 3, or 4 or whatever. You also don't need to do all this.

@@dommoore6180I couldnt have said it any better myself. This comment should be required reading for every fallout fan. Ive been saying these points for years(lifelong Fallout fan) but ppl dont wanna listen. I think it stems from the fact that a majority of the fans of the series now come post bethesda. And most of them havent even played the originals to completion. They mostly watch lore videos and read the wiki. Which is fine im not judging. The older ones can be very off putting because of the age and sheer difference of gameplay. So they play 3,NV, and 4 and then compare them to the older titles that most of them havent actually played and say "look look NV is more true to the originals(mainly Fallout 2)" which is only true of the setting being on the west coast and incorporating factions from there. But they couldnt be more different in so many ways. Also people shit on bethesda but dont actually realize that without them, we wouldnt even have new fallouts to play at all. Most of the current fan base wasnt around when the franchise was dead. I remember those days. Most of us at the time were resigned to the fact that we werent gonna get any new fallouts after VB was killed. The series was DEAD. I cant even begin to express the joy i felt when Fallout 3 was announced and even more still when i played it for the first time. But what do i know im just dude getting older by the day reminiscing.

@@MrSpotface Its always New Vegas fans acting like that game is the 2nd coming of christ (it isn't). They never played the original two games. They shit on Fallout 3 even though that game set the groundwork for New Vegas to even be a thing (the 3D engine).

@@sanserof7 I love NV but I never understood how people can excuse the bugginess and unfinished parts of new vegas as "oh developed in 18 months etc etc" but harp on fallout 3, which was the very first attempt to convert fallout into 3D. I also just have a soft side for Fallout 3 despite the weird writing. I will always think FO4 is a piss poor excuse of a fallout game however.

Me when my media criticizing capitalism gets fucked by capitalism

It also critiques how ostensibly liberal democracies can very easily give rise to far right, militaristic societies that expand in an imperialistic fashion. Then Bethesda makes the BOS into just that with not much awareness imo.

Why do all the turbo analyst heads keep saying it’s a “good show”? We HAVE good shows. We have Avatar, Breaking Bad, Star Trek. We have BABY SHOWS that are capable of telling a real story

Lmao terrible take …fallout 1 doesn’t even crack top 2 entries in the series 😂

@@gaulicwarlord gotta love how honestly minor the brotherhood are in older games with the point being that seclusive cosplaying as knights in a secured functioning vault doesnt have much honour, when all you want as the player is some help with a vault water chip to save everyone inside, and they still try to get yourself killed. Wow these people should definitely be the main characters.

Product-market fit. Show is aimed at the same people that looter shooter for casuals was aimed at. And it was a perfect fit - they're ready to jump at your throat if you dislike the product they consume.

Yeah it's a perfect adaptation of Bethesda fallout. But that's never going to be good.

I prefer NV to 3 or 4, and I really liked the show. If season 2 manages to not shit all over the tone of NV, I'll forgive whatever retcons it makes along the way. Like before season 1 dropped, my hopes are not high

@@Zoroasterisk Never forget. Never forgive.

Hated fo3 and fo4, enjoyed the show.

Funny thing is all media that gave NV low grade no longer exist, they were cucked out of money by fake outlets that did not stood times judgement

Yea people really like to exagerrate this rivalry between bethesda and obsidian, usually to make bethesda and todd howard out to be the bad guy, when really it's a false dichotomy to begin with. The two companies don't even hate eachother, the devs do not have bad blood with eachother, they would not have made new vegas in the first place if any of that were true. It's just people projecting their own hate onto made up scenarios

​@@boxylemons7961i agree, but bethesda still bad tho mainly cuz of Emil

When he refers to the bonus thing, wasn't he referring to Tim Cain being gyped out of a bonus by interplay, which is what caused him (partially) to leave? He has said as much in his own videos

Then you’d know it as a west coast purist that Bethesda bribed game reviewers at the time to specifically decrease the Metascore, knowing they were already lucky the console version was horrendous. Check out Chris Avellone’s recent tweets :) unlike Josh, Chris is not bound by corporate hierarchy.

Honestly they could work their way east through each season and get to that

you can also sabotage the water and keep it bad in the ending, so the water being purified is as canon as it not being purified

We don't really know what Capital Wasteland is like in 2296. Also I think the NCR food/water issue was alluded to be resolved in the show since people were just farming locally.

Yeah the brotherhood could have effectively had the same presence in the commonwealth without destroying the capitol wasteland, having the east coast chapter actually overshadow it's west coast counterparts as a proper nation was one of the few interesting ideas Bethesda put on the table and then they backpedaled. I think I wouldn't mind the retcons as much if Bethesda had a more follow through on their own ideas.

@@corypowercat7277 It's not 2296 we are talking about. It's fallout 4's setting, which I believe is 2287. Also, we do know what happened. DC became an authoritarian state under the control of elder maxson. He is worshipped as a god there. Likely because the brotherhood control the water supply and are the only viable source of military protection, even if it is put to bad use.

Fallout 3's post apocalyptic Washington DC is possibly one of the biggest wasted potentials in fiction. Being set in the Eastern Seaboard of the US and on historically swampy marshland, Fallout 3's DC would've been the first video game to show nature reclaiming an urban environment with buildings becoming overgrown with vegetation and flooded streets becoming river channels. But nope. They opted for a stereotypical desert post apocalypse _in one of the rainiest parts of the country._

It's been this way since fallout 3 when they brought back caps for no reason. You just never realized.

Funny it's more successful now than It's ever been😅 I guess have fun hatin the rest of us will just have fun with fallout.

@@goblin3810 funny how successful Transformers movies are, yet they don't appear in the imdb top 250. Newer Elder Scrolls and Fallout titles aren't successfull because of the shit writing and inconsistencies, but despite it.

​@@goblin3810 are these "rest of us" here in the comment section with us?

​@@goblin3810 Nah, you'll have fun with your version of Fallout. The children's version.

*tried doing F2 but couldn't get into it like the older games I enjoy*

Same. Makes me feel so old now.

How was the NCR retconned

1. The NCR was not ‘retconned’ whatsoever. I’m a New Vegas fanboy myself and I was really disappointed with the route they decided to take the NCR’s fate, but that’s completely different from retconning. I really wish you people would stop using that word. 2. Actual fans of the originals who don’t have nostalgia glasses on, would recognize that the lore has literally been inconsistent since the beginning, from Fallout 1 to 2 there were some massive lore changes and additions. This did not all start with Fallout 4 lol.

Inconsistent is fine if it’s still good. The plot and world building of the show is shit. It’s literally just retro-future mad max

​@@earhearthush-up5549They said it's capital was destroyed in 2277, despite it still clearly existing in New Vegas. Before you go saying the chalkboard is unclear. That is just a lame excuse. If the Nuke was suppose to represent something else. Why not mention it. Also it isn't just that the NCR Capital was nuked. It is as if it never existed. This whole nation. Made up of various cities. A whole civilization is just gone within 2 decades. The nuking of Shady Sands was just a convenient and sloppy way to get rid of a civilized wasteland. They wanted the wild untamed wasteland seen in Fallout 1. Instead of setting the show literally anywhere else, or any other time they just pretend as if the NCR never existed and claim somehow one nuke wiped it all out. I saw the same thing happen with the New Republic in The Force Awakens. They wanted to go back to Empire vs Rebels so they blow up the New Republics home system and act like it never existed to begin with. Both the Fallout show and TFA act as if history and progression aren't a thing and keep things static. A few inconsistencies here and there aren't an issue, but this one is pretry huge and has massive ramifications for the story and lore of Fallout going forward. Just because a past story had an inconsistency does not excuse future inconsistencies.

@@kyleegan2830 Isn't that literally what you'd describe the first fallout game?

I agree with you. I do however really take issue with the idea that Vault tec and house agreed to nuke America for blah blah cooperate control something something. This concept seems at odds with the narrative and diminishes House's stature. As a technocrat, he prides himself on being more capable and forward-thinking than other factions, having predicted and prepared for nuclear war, safeguarding a significant part of Vegas. This narrative undermines his unique claim to leadership."

@@robsquare2622 I think House is a fraud. And I wouldn't be surprised that he "predicted" the war by being told by Vault-Tec that the war was going to happen and then saying that he predicted it. However, I don't think that scene really retcons House, as he could have predicted the war before this meeting, and he is the only one shown not to be on board with the plan of starting the war. I wouldn't trust anything House says though. He is New Vegas' Elon Musk, and Elon Musk was shown to be a charlatan that doesn't know anything about anything. House could be just stealing credit from his employees. He totally controls the narrative, after all. Every detail from House's official story comes directly from his dialogue or the terminals at his own companies.

@@robsquare2622 FWIW House was the most skeptical at that meeting. Vault-Tec may have intended to decide the date the bomb's fell but they didn't control the Chinese nukes and the fact that a high ranking Vault-Tec exec's daughter was helping her dad at a kids b-day party on drop day makes me think Vault-Tec was caught on their back foot. In fact that would be a great explanation for why House's "calculations" were a day off. As for the timeline issues just kick the events of FNV back 10 years to 2071, then everything lines up well and it matters little if the events between FO2 and FNV take place over 30 or 40 years.

@@robsquare2622 They should have explain their motivations better, from my understanding it's about "elites" ideology that there is too many peoples on earth, too many peoples not enough ressources -> wars; so to end wars you have to "reset". In the show this complex thinking is very suggestive.

One thing I never understood was why do people believe believe the NCR collapsed? All that says on the chalkboard was Shady Sands fell, not the NCR. Shady Sands wasn't even the capital anymore according to the billboard. Even Bethesda has outright stated the NCR is very much still alive elsewhere. The NCR at the observatory were pretty much just a small group of soldiers sent there with Moldaver for her mission to retrieve Cold Fusion Tech. Also, the westcoast BoS was pretty much just a remnant trying to rebuild with new Aspirants as depicted on the show. The Brotherhood Knights and Paladins with power armor that came on the airship were obviously from the east coast. You can tell because the Aspirants act like they never seen an airship before nor have they ever seen T60 power armor. So pretty obvious when the airship arrived they're not part of that Brotherhood chapter.

It’s ravenous down there lol

As a fallout fan the fallout fandom is easily the worst fandom in all of gaming. We literally have fucking neo-nazis

But that's the point. The show isn't good. It's decent for normies. But it breaks the lore and doesn't care about the established themes and story-telling. The show having mid-tier character interaction and story-telling does not excuse how the writers shit on what has already been established. Being an old fan is irrelevant.

@@RedFloyd469 like one piece live action the first season is a BIG risk. I see no lore breaking, let alone anything that story-wise makes it weaker. The second season will have a LOT to shoulder to make up the difference of exposition in the first season. But im watching interviews with the creators and they say they are going through mountains if lore to try and stay consistent. Any inconsistencies are irrelevant at this point. This show is the tip of the spear bringing everything together. Ghouls taking radaway i can handle, green areas in the wasteland is fine. I dont see anything so bad that the lore mistakes drown the story. Its a loose story, like the parts of an AK47 that make it so versatile.

@@bmanagement4657 Cool to see someone running the 1 INT build for the funny dialogue irl. -The Boneyard has been replaced by Shady Sands, which has been teleported into L.A.. -Four new Vaults have either magically appeared in L.A. and the surrounding area, or the Master just kind of forgot about several exposed vaults full of prime normals. -The capitol of the NCR gets nuked before the events of Fallout: New Vegas (this was retconned later, but it's still a lore break) -Some Ghouls are practically immortal and/or can just regenerate major wounds (but they need a drug to not turn feral) The story is nothing more than a vehicle for spectacle and cool moments, if you put it to paper it all sounds like a bad fanfic. I would not blame anyone for enjoying the show, but you're just coping if you try to ignore the numerous flaws of this show. A "loose story" does not excuse lore breaks and and bad writing.

​@@RedFloyd469 What lore did it break? The themes are continued tho, one of the biggest points of fallout is that war, imperialism and all that stuff is bad, so the NCR, an imperialistic nation that assimilates or even straight up genocides anything in its path gets its capital blown up, sure it wasn't blown up because of a conflict but they got what was coming for them. Also the fact that Shady sands was blown up by a dude that couldnt handle his wife leaving him also continues the themes of human nature and letting go.

Thanks man, you're a lifesaver, almost wasted my time with this thing

Just another Bethesda shill suсking, here I saved you 10 second of reading that comment.

Based.

And we need more like these , we can't let ppl think these shit show good

​@@juanrollel3693 I mean, people who like the show aren't going to care anyway

No way, bro called Maximus likable💀

@@russianoverkill3715 To be fair I liked Maximus when I thought he was written to be a sociopath and not just really stupid. Ill admit there is probably biased because he looks and sounds like a friend I served with as well.

@@GrimbopMaximus is your typical evil playthrough in any Bethesda title, especially Bethesda Fallouts. Lucy or whatever her name is, she is the good playthrough. The Ghoul is the coward playthrough that Emil insults you at the end of the game. I haven’t watched the show yet, but watched others who watched it.

​@OXY187 all the character except the ghoul hae low int

@@OXY187 I'd say maximus is closer to being neutral than full-on evil. He just had a dream, got his chance, and took it. He doesn't want to harm people, but will do so if he feels threatened. He's also not exactly smart. An evil character also wouldn't have given back the fusion core. Let's all collectively ignore the discussion he had with lucy in the vault. That was pure cringe.

Having Fallout 4 rephrased as a conversation between the Railroad and the Institute about what it means to become a better person sounds great. Layering that conversation between a Brotherhood/Minutemen conflict sounds even better. There's probably a lot of side stories you could build on that foundation. Man...

​@muffintopmd Something very basic they could have done is layout the 4 factions on a quadrant grid with one axis being anti/pro synth and the other axis being authoritarian/egalitarian. Railroad and Institute are both pro synth but egalitarian and authoritarian, respectively. Minutemen and Brotherhood are both anti synth, and egalitarian and authoritarian, respectively. The player character helps their chosen faction take control of different settlements and minor factions and possibly even combine factions together based on their ideologies. A Brotherhood playthrough could have them take control of both the Minutemen AND the Institute since they share values with both factions, but can only destroy the Railroad since they are both egalitarian and pro synth, opposed to the Brotherhood on both axis. Likewise a Minutemen playthrough could take control of both the Brotherhood AND the Railroad but must destroy the Institute. This hypothetical would be pretty basic and is pretty much just a rip off of New Vegas, but it would definitely be doable for Bethesda. It's honestly annoying that they basically tease a New Vegas style faction system but don't actually do anything with it.

I agree. People hated the brotherhood's shifting mentality in 3 for all the wrong reasons. Essentially, the split between west and east-coast brotherhood was a micro-example of what made new vegas great: evolving factions. The brotherhood needed to change from a faction of isolationist hoarders into a society to rival the old world nations. Elder Lyons realized this, even if his goals were a bit too idealistic to function long-term. The game adresses this change in relatively satisfying depth, and even had a splinter group vying to bring the brotherhood back to the old ways. This was handled relatively properly, if a bit too shallow in comparison with new vegas. The backpedalling ABSOLUTELY came because of the fanbase's reaction to this change. The reason for maxson's betrayal of lyons are too vague and oddly loyalist, coming from a boy that was raised within a fully-lyons controlled, fully devoted to nation-building brotherhood. Given his adoration towards sarah and the fatherly affection given him by the elder, his change of heart makes no sense.The shifting mentality of the brotherhood knights after sarah lyons presumably takes over makes no sense either. Why are they all of a sudden traitors, when there was no visible rift between the remaining brotherhood members, all of which stayed with elder lyons after the earlier rift had happened? If anything, maxson's treachery would have caused a civil war to break out. It made sense for lyons to betray east-coast brotherhood, as this mindset of helping the wasteland versus controlling tech had already been brewing in the faction for decades. Lyons breaking the chain came at the right moment. To revert that decision is an idiotic one, story-wise. Nothing the player did in fallout 3 is meaningful, if DC is turned into the enclave anyway, given what we know of maxson suggests he is exactly the same as the enclave, minus the old america patriotism. Nothing mattered. Compare this to how the ncr is a continuation of fallout 1 and 2's themes and choices for improving the wasteland, and helping the burgeoning democracy of california. Plainly, bethesda does not understand and does not care for evolving the setting, and learned the wrong lesson from fan backlash against evolution. It's learning the wrong lesson from the show's success as well. Fallout is officially dead. And Todd and Emil killed it for the normies.

@@RedFloyd469fallout 3 bos is simply stupid because individuals can change and evolve, Not factions. all those members of bos were grown in the bos and had indoctrinated: keep tech out anyone, except us, hands. Having them magically become white knights who die on mass, is stupid. Remember: the chapter in nv prefer dying that changing their ways, Why? The story of the bos is essentially a group that refuse to change and dies out because of that.

choosing to watch the TV show, but deciding to pause it every ten seconds. Print out the dialogue and silently read it yourself for the authentic fallout experience!

Fallout 3 gritty af, that wasteland is beyond bleak

@@andrewmoluf4299 ya, fallout 3 is what i consider old. anything after new vegas is new so basically just falloout 4 and 76.

@@fizz_time7003 4 isnt exactly jolly it has a lighter tone than 3 for sure but it isnt sunshine and rainbows either with its any person potentially being a sleeper agent, the institute preventing the formation of any sort of government brotherhood stealing peoples resources, railway doing absolutely nothing and minutemen being wiped out by raiders . also it wouldnt make sense for 76 to be bleak, its set only a few years after the bombs in a region almost not affected by the bombs

While i’m inclined to agree with you (Todd and friends certainly seem like the worse artists) I don’t want to attribute to jealousy what I can just as easily attribute to corporate lack of creativity. Although I do think Todd is a bit full of himself. Alternate theory: todd howard’s leather jacket is like The Mask and is turning him evil

@@muffintopmd my perspective on it rears its head when you see younger Todd answering questions about F3 and Bethesda's purchase of the IP. It comes across the way it does in the games they've made: They were fans who thought Fallout was cool, and it kind of stops there. Super mutants, bottlecaps, vaults, ghouls, the BoS, etc. are all very cool and a part of Fallout. Also not understanding that Fallout isn't a post-apocalyptic 1950's setting, it's the 90's interpretation of the 50's retro-futurist ideas about 2077, nuked to shit and what comes after that. Not to sound like us fans know better and understand what Fallout is/was/should be really about and they don't know jack as the IP holders but, it definitely *feels* like they maybe had a surface level appreciation of the setting.

@@muffintopmdJealousy is real. They retconned everything the originals introduced. They made their version of power armor to be the superior one too. It’s just hilarious at this point. Obsidian added skeleton in the fridge as a joke, and then they added people who used fridge to take shelter became ghouls. Ghouls needed food and water to survive in the originals, and they destroyed it by saying they don’t need food or water. Then they changed the lore again and created a drug for ghouls to stay sane. What made Ghouls different from zombies was that they were still human, even the Feral ones. Feral ghouls don’t attack you untik you get really close in Necropolis.

Not this conspiracy theory again... Literally how could you possibly think this could ever be true. The nuking of shady sands and presenting a faction (that was never perfect to begin with) as "cultists" reveals their pettiness... My god, have you any idea how ridiculous that is?

Todd didn't even come up with the idea of nuking Shady Sands, the show writers did. In fact Todd didn't even like the idea at first. Your comment makes no sense.

I think you need to touch grass more often.

Considering Bethesda had dick and squat to sell alongside the show I doubt any of that was their idea. They barely think out their own stories and world (starfield) so all of these larger cannon changes were for sure showrunners that found it the best way to compensate with the many endings provided by new vegas

Normal people don’t behave in this way, you may be suffering from paranoia

Piss Obsidian? Who are they gonna piss? Caine, Sawyer, and Avellone left Obsidian time ago.

Agree. Would not be surprised if Todd holds a grudge that none of the fallout he's responsible for is widely considered the best.

Vault tec's nukes being controlled by a single overseer who only used it after a bad breakup because of spite makes no sense from any perspective you can take except one that doesn't know what vault tec is, what the enclave was, and what happened in the old games. Aka, the perspective of a bethesda normie. Realistically, maclean would have nuked fake shady sands far earlier if "the existence of all these factions" was the problem.

​@@RedFloyd469 the Enclave is just an over the top evil faction in 2, Bethesda tried adding some nuance to them in 3 ig but since you cant actually join the Enclave and do something with the faction from there that effort meant nothing, NV showed us that the enclave soldiers can be good people that just like doing their job, doesn't matter what side they're on and in the show the enclave just do regular enclave science stuff. Vault tec was basically non existent before Bethesda, they created this organization if anything. So what's your point?

holy shit how did i never notice? when you go to kill house in NV he should’ve just turned into a pool of goop and slithered away with no context.

"inconsistent with lore and tone of the franchise" - Fallout 2. Big time. Far more so than any Bethesda Fallout. Also New Vegas, that is nothing like 1 or 2 either.

@@dommoore6180To what retcons are you referring to in Fallout 2? Please, do tell, because the only one I can think of is when they slightly moved moved Shady sands and Vault 15 a little bit south on the overworld map. New Vegas is actually very in line with the tone of the isometric games, but as for it not being similar to them in gameplay, that's because when Bethesda lent the IP to Obsidian, they **likely** told them that it had to be made using the fallout 3 engine, also, do you know how impossible it would've been to make a game from the ground up in just 18 months??? because that's how long Obsidian was given to work on New Vegas.

@@dommoore6180 Respond to him

@@dommoore6180 do it

If it's a good story, what is Moldaver's plan? You should know by the end of the show, since it was only greenlit for one season at first. Did she PLAN on just demonstrating to Vault-Tec that she could light up another city in order to get her ass nuked again? She knew the Brotherhood and Enclave would be after her, too, so why do that? Now, you could just chalk that up to more shitty committee writing, but this time there really is a plot. The show's writers told everyone what it was before the show even aired. The canon theme of Fallout is now "haves vs have-nots". They crammed that theme in everywhere they could, regardless of whether or not it made sense. I mean, Vault-Tec nuking the world for profit, in order to create a society where they control everything, is just impossibly retarded for any company. They even say competition creates war, and then bring along their own competition. And the investors BOUGHT that. They're just clownishly evil and stupid capitalists. They have to be, because "haves vs have-nots" is Marxist class warfare garbage, and the focal point of the larger world plot is Moldaver, the Communist heroine. Naturally, she's very diverse, because "Woke" is actually Intersectional Neo-Marxism. Same revolution to overthrow society, same dumb ideas, larger proletariat to make sure the revolution occurs THIS time. Woke activists have infiltrated all sorts of media by making sure they get preferential treatment whilst excoriating others, which is why so much our media turns to shit. Their directive is not to make good media, it's to subvert institutions in order to create propaganda. Here's the really clever part, though. Moldaver is written as poorly as the Woke write any character, and blaming the war on Vault-Tec LOOKS really dumb because it would be in normal world. But in reality, the sole purpose of that HUGE writing change was to ensure that the NCR would be destroyed so it can be re-made into a Woke version at any point, be it a game or more seasons. She dies a martyr, giving away free electricity with no fucking plan, and getting her people killed, JUST to illustrate how bad everyone else is. That way, the NCR that Fallout's largest group of adherents adore will be brought into the Woke reconstruction of it, and hail it as a great story, especially when it holds off the bad guys. Lucy will probably be the scion for that. Maybe something else will happen and Moldaver has some other way of being immortal, but the die is already cast. It was from the moment the writers changed Fallout's theme and crammed this class warfare bullshit into it. The Brotherhood already got that treatment, too, and it will also change because it is ridiculously stupid and evil now. The Vault Dwellers are fucked, as are any groups like the Minutemen, because Woke cannot leave the existing society in place. It's against Communist doctrine. Thus, regardless of the quality, or lack of it, in previous games, the entire story just turned to shit right in front of everyone's faces. It's already subverted. Of course, the older players see what happened to the lore, and the vast majority of them are trying to make sense of it. They've taken this tack that Todd must be behind this out of spite for Obsidian. But who do we know that is spiteful in everything they do, all the time, if not the Woke? Indeed, Obsidian ENDORSED this show, so how do they explain that? They try, but the fact of the matter is that Fallout has always been "Progressive", which just means "Progressing farther left." The Progressives of today are very similar to the Woke, so it doesn't take much to nudge them over. We are looking at the results of THAT story, and Fallout will fall just like so many other institutions have, with people trying to figure out what the fuck was really going on because they don't understand Leftist ideology, and never learned.

@@arcdecibel9986 bro this is a fuckin schizo post, the show never did any "haves vs have nots" themes that the entire fucking series hasn't had. Get laid and stop freaking the fuck out over a show I said was a fuckin 7.5/10 this show is still better than Fallout 3 or 4's story because Moldaver being kinda stupid is allot better than the antagonists plans in either of those games. Get laid, drink some water, stop being a fuckin crazy person Edit: typo

Long time since Fallout 3

Define long time. Long time like since 1999? Or long time like 2015? 😆 Because I've heard people going "yeah, I'm a big fan of Fallout" and then in the next sentence "I only played 4 and 76" xd

Sixteen years. But if someone had been playing since 2015, I'd consider that a long time. After all, a decade devoted to a franchise is notable in its own right.

@@russianoverkill3715 Oh great, the online Fallout police arrived. Are you gonna arrest him because he wasn't introduced to the series by playing the "right Fallout"?

@@ghgtare oh look, consumerist, he will tell me I'm so evil for gatekeeping my favorite franchise from tourists and normies who ruin it.

Like as if wasteland can’t begin to heal because the apocalypse is supposedly more interesting then rebuilding a nation

modern discussion about literally any topic is so toxic and fucked because people view discussions as “winning” and “losing”. get a grip

Guess everyone is just a shill then

Consumers like you are in love with the show because you just consume, nothing more.

I didn't like it so your argument is invalid.

@@SSJGaelY0 You know he can't. His account looks like bot account btw. Lots of those pro corporate accounts here do. It's probably nothing tho.

Exactly what I was thinking

Literally most of the fans I've talked with on discord and the fallout subreddit love the show. The main critics I've seen are people raging about it being "woke" or terminally online dipshits & NV purists who think they know the themes & aesthetics of the setting better than the actual creators.

@boxylemons7961 exactly right. It is funny to hear someone try and dog on the show for being "whacky" when Fallout never took itself very seriously from the start. I remember the over the top gore being funny. The references to pop culture at the time. There is even a tardis in the first game. I don't know why some people think FO is supposed to be a super serious or grim dark thing. It never was.

@@HopeKearney-gs9fk It’s funny to see Legion fanboys (it’s usually them) say stuff like “they made fallout SOY and REDDIT, all the humor is soy now!!”, not realizing Fallout 2 had like 5+ dorky Star Wars references…

​@@boxylemons7961it is woke, you saw that ftm that harms herself? Brotherhood wouldn't even allow that.

​​@@earhearthush-up5549oh golly gosh, a FIVE small references to Star Wars, what a nightmare!

This show is crap and I saw the same exact situation play out with Star Wars The Force Awakens. I called that movie out as trash in 2015 and predicted the future movies would suffer as a result. The backlash to The Last Jedi is now infamous. I have a feeling future Seasons of the Fallout show won't be so beloved. If you want an in depth review of the Fallout show I recommend checking out Mauler's review of the show. He gets down most of the major flaws of show. It isn't mainly lore issues, but character, narrative and plot issues.

The fans It brought are temporary people. They always move on. West Coast purists as others mention were here before, will be here afterwards. NMA still exists.

​@OXY187 we call these ppl "tourists" also Amazon is using bots to promote the show

Yes, now Bethesda can crap out more awful games for lobotomite casuals instead of quality RPGs. What a win across the board xddd

@@ShamanMcLamie hey bro…you ever tried sex?

that's an opinion for sure

@@KristianD3 that's a reply for sure

so instead of a simple McGuffin that acts as a driving force for the player character to explore the world, you'd rather have the player have emotional attachments and motives placed upon them by the developers? in an RPG?. Do you not realize that this is a game where you make different characters, that are supposed to side with different people based on that characters own moral/beliefs? the goal of the factions are to present a set of ideologies with pros and cons for the PC to decide what is best for them based on how you build them. And NV actually had a really good contextual reason as to why you can't kill Yes Man: his AI is connected to every bit of technology in the strip, so trying to kill him is futile. This is much more interesting as oppose to just having inexplicably immortal NPC's that have no reason why they shouldn't die other than the developers need them to be.

@@vaengr2695 well in Fallout New Vegas no matter what character you make the game forces you to go to the Tops

@@funki4896 thats literally wrong, you can beat NV without having to see benny a single time

More importantly, Bethesda would have no Fallout 3 without the greatness of Fallout 1 and 2.

Without Bethesda FO3, Troika FO3 would have a chance to exist, hmmm, dont sell me a better scenario

Or the IP would be probably dead, just like Arcanum. ​@@noddy1973

Yeah, but Troika - the geniuses behind some of the greatest masterpieces in CRPG history were already working on FO3 at the time. A game that would blow our minds. Instead we got FO3 for kids from Bethesda. Yikes. There are concept videos on YT, if anyone's interested.

@@panwu6602 That is an interesting information. I didnt know that. Well Troika Fallout sounds awesome, but unfortunately, whats done is done

Change without explanation is not really known for being well received so Im not sure why its so shocking that some fans are upset right now. I dont think the show is bad but it has clearly diverged from the original tone of the series. Fallout used to be a hamburger but now theyve gone and added cheese. Some people like cheese, but other people find it cheesy haha.

The show sucks even if you don’t associate it with fallout the plot is all over the place, why did Hank not know the other vault was completely dead. If Moldaver is such a great person why did she lead a band of raiders to a vault when she is supposedly the “good guy”? How did Hank get a nuke? Why are the corporations bent on destroying the world to earn maximum profit, if you want money and the things money can buy then why destroy all of it? Just to name some examples

@@TheKingoftheAWESOME 1. Idk what you mean by Hank not know vault was dead, I’m assuming you mean vault 32, which Hank did know about since he is part of vault tec 2. The show never attempts to make moldaver a good guy, moldaver kills a bunch of innocent people at the beginning of the show, and by the end of the season we learn more about moldaver and we learn why they did what they did, idk why you thought the show wanted you to think moldaver was a good guy, no faction or character being good and evil is the core of fallout 3. We don’t know how Hank got a nuke, we might find out in another season, Hank is clearly shown to be a very competent and dangerous man, the show is leaving some things ambiguous before the next season, ambiguity doesn’t mean bad 4. The corporations never said that they want money, I honestly wonder if you have actually seen the show or not, that scene with the corporations left a lot of things ambiguous, the entire meeting they were talking about experiments, you can’t make money off experimenting people, so why would you assume they wanted to end the world for money?

@@Gouda992 For the record, he 100% didn't watch the show and very likely got most of his talking point from the Mauler video.

@@ghgtare makes sense, I’ve never seen or heard of mauler but based on this guy he seems to be the kinda channel who make bad faith criticism

World progression was one of the main points of this video. I think you will find that there is quite literally no progression from fallout 3 to fallout 4. No decision made in Fallout 3 has any impact on the world of 4, apart from a few reoccurring characters. This is made even more ridiculous when the canon ending to three is giving fresh water to a population that has been violently struggling over fresh water for 200 years! However in the west coast games we are able to see the progress of a small town eventually turn into a dominant yet highly ineffective republic. You see this across three games that tell an overarching story of progression, so your point is pretty dull if you think critically about it. I mean its been 200 years since the bombs dropped and boston and its inhabitants act as if they dropped 20 years ago.

Being zombified isn't saving

Bethesda saved the IP after buying it? The IP was already in a good shape before Bethesda. Van Buren was in development. Bethesda bought the IP in an auction after outbidding Tim Cain. Tim Cain tried to buy his own creation from the Interplay, but didn’t have enough money. Todd Howard had money though. The sweet Zenimax money. World progression is not a thing in Bethesda Fallouts. You mistake the originals with F3 and F4.

Bad writing isn't progression. It's regression.

@@OXY187 >The IP was already in a good shape before Bethesda. Van Buren was in development Van Buren was cancelled because Black Isle went bankrupt, no I don't think this qualifies as "in good shape". Also, read my previous post if you seriously think there is no progression between Fallout 3 and 4.

Sorry to tell you but the shows is a mess, written and acted it literally marvel movie slop get smart friends

Damn crazy to imagine that people can have different opinions about the media they watch 🫥

@@misterpeepee8812 yea if someone's tells me they eat shit i wont be saying "wow there is ppl that enjoy shit " same for anyone that enjoys new marvels movies

@@juanrollel3693 I mean fair, but I was specifically talking about the original comments dog shit attempt of an opinion or take or whatever you wanna call it

>"Fallout" Fan >Played only Fallout 4 and 76 >What?

Not one game three games, they basically wanted to trash the west coast story. Literally no one would really care if it happened on the east coast because that’s what Bethesda created. But the west coast deserved more respect than to have everyone who made the show to change everything

@@TheKingoftheAWESOME The people who created the west coast lore like Tim Cain and Josh Sawyer liked the show.

@@ghgtare Okay, and? Is that supposed to mean something? Tim Cain and J. Sawyer aren't infallible bastions that perfectly represent or understand Fallout; they're individuals capable liking things that are poorly-made; either because they're maintaining professionalism, don't care about it as much as the fans do, or because they've also lost touch with what makes the series great.

@@grayman4951 Yes, I do think it means something when the people behind the so called "disrespected" lore are saying it's not that serious while the fans are the ones having a meltdown and accusing Todd of sabotaging their work.

@@ghgtare I can agree that some people are unwarrantedly characterizing Bethesda as being explicitly malicious rather than what is more likely just hubristic ignorance on their part. However, the issue is that your argument is nothing more than an appeal to authority. Tim Cain's and J. Sawyer's words aren't the end-all-be-all, especially when you can demonstrate the poor writing and lore contradictions the show has regardless of what they say. Otherwise, I could just bring up that Chris Avellone, someone who has arguably had a greater degree of involvement in the series than both Tim Cain and J. Sawyer, has stated that the show's writing is poorly-made and that it's lore is inconsistent with the games.

Yes it is

They are just as big as Halo TV show, but atleast Halo TV show doesn't pretend to be canon.

Exactly people want it to fail.. but it's just huge and revived the fallout 76 game.

They wiped out the NCR and act as if it never existed. That is a pretty big change. One of the most popular factions in the series is just up and gone. The Boneyard is desolate despite being a major city in Fallout not to mention somehow Shady Sands is in LA county instead of Central California. Now I did not mind fridge boy. A silly side quest that probably isn't going to have ramifications for the rest of the series and lore and can be hand waived away. Now Ghouls are practically bullet sponge zombies who need this magical serum to not go feral. Maybr if it was a condition specific to Cooper I could maybe ignore. But the show makes it clear all Ghouls need it. That has never been the case and now it is somehow the case for all Ghouls. What makes it all worse is that this series is supposedly cannon to the games and will impact future games. While making past games irrelevant.

@@russianoverkill3715 theyre really not

Why did you post 8 different comments?

@@kyleegan2830 I didn't post 8 times. What would it matter if I did?

@@kyleegan2830because they are butt-hurt that people criticize bethesda

Another settlement needs your help! I’ll mark it on your map.

@matty4419 I don't care if anyone criticizes Bethesda. They definitely aren't anywhere near as good at writing dialog or story and their development has gotten too streamlined and as buggy as always. They need a new engine for their games. Starfield is proof of that. And Todd Howard is just a salesman that overpromises and under delivers. Doesn't change that the show is great and the best adaptation of a video game to television or movies I have ever seen and a lot of people agree with me.

Cant wait to not see anything predicted to cross into the Mojave like the Could and Tunnelers

The nuke was the literal example of I am big mad so I ruin your stuff just because

fnv is my favorite game of all time and I still think the show is good

The dissonance between the first episode and the final episode is jarring, everything else is just padding inbetween. Just look at the vault 4 arc

@@karimmoop9560 vault 4 arc is there to establish maximus shift for wanting a future with lucy instead of the bos

@@MrSuperalan99 its a really bad romance. But you can't build something up for 2 episodes then say "it was a prank bro".

How? How are you supposed to know what’s going on outside of things they explicitly explain

LMAO! Bethdrone.