The Fatal Flaw in HP's Omen 45L broke me
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CHAPTERS
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0:00 Intro
1:18 Specs and design theory
2:27 A quick physical tour
4:02 HP's hardware claims and some history
4:43 Testing the Cryo Chamber
6:48 Gaming and workstation performance
8:18 Predictably, HP does what HP does
9:25 Comparing against XMP
10:17 Conclusion
@LinusTechTips 2 жыл бұрын
Hey folks! We've heard complaints that our Overall Performance Graphs at 10:10 are misleading, and we are deeply sorry about it. Starting axis values at 0 is our policy, but these graphs slipped through the cracks. It is not our intention to mislead the audience, and we hope that you'll forgive us for this oversight. Here is a link to corrected graphs: imgur.com/a/W5kZ97N
@PrakharBaisakhiyar 2 жыл бұрын
I came here to comment on this exact thing. Thanks for fixing it.
@JarzWasTaken 2 жыл бұрын
9 likes on this comment bruh
@dotdotdot1000 2 жыл бұрын
It's hardly a big deal anyway. God techfans are such spergs
@MartinFinnerup 2 жыл бұрын
@@dotdotdot1000 Expecting thorough and fair reviews, and transparancy about mistakes is not being "spergs". Good on LTT for correcting themselves. :)
@drakepotatoe6452 2 жыл бұрын
Can I please have a gtx 1650
@HecklerUK 2 жыл бұрын
OK, you got me with the HPenis line... well played to which ever writer/editor did that.
@Astronautbrownboi 2 жыл бұрын
Time ?
@slackygaming9688 2 жыл бұрын
@@Astronautbrownboi 11:00
@doctorvondoom6368 2 жыл бұрын
Shhh spoilers
@bloodreapergaming8901 2 жыл бұрын
At least censor the word!
@RamkrishanYT 2 жыл бұрын
@@doctorvondoom6368 clown 🤡
@Verlisify 2 жыл бұрын
Why do companies keep having such weird issues with their pre-builds
@0638 2 жыл бұрын
Hi linus tech tips
@Admiral__ 2 жыл бұрын
It's literally cheaping out on the motherboard. That's their biggest way of cost cutting while still making the system "work" and most people won't do this digging into their system after they buy a prebuilt.
@DailyCorvid 2 жыл бұрын
These poor quality pre-builds are just collections of unsold components cobbled together in a fancy RGB case. That's why they are so bad, the components were not chosen together for any other reason that, they had loads of the stuff lying around unsold. Decent prebuilds are as good as anything you will make yourself, but there is no interest in people reviewing those sadly so people never see them.
@drodmanfan8939 2 жыл бұрын
I haven’t seen you since Shofu’s diss track
@jakdan6598 2 жыл бұрын
Dang bro I forgot you were still on KZfaq. I use to watch you back when I was in middle school.
@kyslem 2 жыл бұрын
I’d suggest building a separate control rig in a “normal” case an do the benchmarks. Then build that same pc in this case and repeat them. This way you can leave HP’s bull out of the equation and test the case’s cryo chamber’s performance on it’s own
@NoTraceOfSense 2 жыл бұрын
-There’s always the problem that a lot of prebuilt use proprietary connectors for IO.- Which they shouldn’t have if they’re selling it separately.
@DanKaschel 2 жыл бұрын
I really wanted them to just swap out the motherboard and run the same tests.
@BC_CARS 2 жыл бұрын
I nominate the H510 as it’s considered “that” case everywhere. Everyone knows about it damn near everyone has used it
@abtinz7127 2 жыл бұрын
I actually got this computer and the cyro chamber works great
@borderhopper2148 Жыл бұрын
@@abtinz7127 have you done any switching parts out?
@chandanpuri2428 2 жыл бұрын
Wow, HP can get a patent on mounting a radiator in a separate enclosure on the top of a case. Such innovative and difficult to conceive of solutions surely require protection!
@SadMarinersFan 2 жыл бұрын
It totally hasn't been done before and abandoned by nearly everyone because it has little benefit compared to the added complexity and time to assemble.
@winjaywin 2 жыл бұрын
@@SadMarinersFan the added complexity was because case designers had not found a simple way of doing it like HP has done now.
@SadMarinersFan 2 жыл бұрын
@@winjaywin what? Sticking a box on a box and putting the radiator in the 2nd box instead of the 1st. I'm sorry but that isn't worth the $200 on the low end cost that this case will probably go for stand alone, without any radiators. Not to mention the fuck off massive glass panel on the front that will choke out any air flow in the main part of the case.
@Z4KIUS 2 жыл бұрын
@@SadMarinersFan probably with whole systems emiting less heat than the card alone nowadays it wasn't feasible, but with these abominations they are pushing today it becames nearly neccessity
@Dreddy72 2 жыл бұрын
just make a case where the top half fully removes from the rest of the case. its 2 seperate things that can be connected, its not one unit like the pattent.
@slinkytrips 2 жыл бұрын
For those wondering the unpainted bits are part of the Faraday cage of the case. As a mass market device HP have to meet radio frequency regulations from the FCC and others. A fully metal case would do this but they wanted a glass window. As glass has no shielding properties they need to put a special coating on the glass which is then bonded to the metal frame, that metal frame has to make contact with the rest of the case hence the lack of paint. Case manufacturers who sell just an empty case with no electronics don't have to meet these regulations but your PC will be susceptible to interference without proper shielding.
@pratyushjayachandran 2 жыл бұрын
Thank you for posting. Now it makes sense.
@tzuyd 2 жыл бұрын
I wanted to give you a Like, but you're already at 69. You understand.
@CybershamanX 2 жыл бұрын
The FCC regulations are meant to limit unintentional radiofrequency radiation emitted from digital equipment, including PCs and peripherals, to nearby intentional radio equipment, such as TVs and, well, radios. 😉
@TheSonicFan4 2 жыл бұрын
@@tzuyd now he's at 169
@tzuyd 2 жыл бұрын
@@TheSonicFan4 God dammit people
@mrwhiskers5210 2 жыл бұрын
Hey LTT, Can you try ripping out all the hp parts and build a PC in their case using off the shelf parts. Compare it with a similar size conventional case to compare the real gains of a case like this?
@VoldoronGaming 2 жыл бұрын
Great idea for a follow up video. Everybody up vote this comment.
@Emell09 2 жыл бұрын
I was hoping to see Linus rip everything out and do any other comparison!!
@Da40kOrks 2 жыл бұрын
just needs a motherboard swap
@spiv 2 жыл бұрын
probably didnt because the case isnt available as a stand alone purchase yet
@lordofnothing. 2 жыл бұрын
yes. i want to see that.
@MichaelWhittmann 2 жыл бұрын
I have an Omen X desktop. I bought it day one when I found out Voodoo designed the case. I've had it for years and no problems. Still running AAA titles to this day in 4k. I've never loved a PC so much. HP does make great computers when they want to, I'd have to say.
@da_pawz 2 жыл бұрын
I can say, better than Dell Alienware desktop PC lol
@isucktrustme8672 Жыл бұрын
@@da_pawz alienware beats in price tho. Higher price i mean
@YoureWierdImN0t 2 жыл бұрын
If they just did things "normally" then this would be a hard system to beat as a prebuilt. Even as an out of the box run and gun user would have a spectacular system. Especially considering the GPU is 60% of the cost of the system anyway.
@Defender004 2 жыл бұрын
Yeah. And this case just looks awesome especially compared to dell Alienware computers which look like plastics bombers
@Chris-hw4mq 2 жыл бұрын
That case has crappy airflow for sure with that glass front pannel.
@bangerairsoft4086 2 жыл бұрын
Except clearly it was moving plenty of air
@Chris-hw4mq 2 жыл бұрын
@@bangerairsoft4086 yeah if you have a fan pushing it through the case.
@The_Stick36 2 жыл бұрын
@@Chris-hw4mq if that's an issue just remove the front glass panel if you really need that extra airflow
@wodstalker2819 2 жыл бұрын
Hp : no compromise cooling 😱 Also Hp : here, have this super restrictive glass front panel that totally dont destroy intake
@ao_qd 2 жыл бұрын
God, I know, right? I really thought we were done with solid front panels.
@naamadossantossilva4736 2 жыл бұрын
@@ao_qd Retooling is expensive,better to just use marketing.
@GamerErman2001 2 жыл бұрын
@@ao_qd Prebuilts LOVE to use glass front panels. They think more people will buy it if you can see some pretty RGB fans at the front!
@eriksvensson2098 2 жыл бұрын
@@GamerErman2001 I have a feeling this is backed up by sales numbers than demanded to the engineer.
@BeeWhere 2 жыл бұрын
What a waste, who knows maybe the see the light with a v2. I still wouldn't buy it until Gamers Nexus gave it a run on their highly controlled test suite
@anotherSportsCarEnthusiast 2 жыл бұрын
I know you guys uninstalled all the HP software, but in the "omen gaming hub", they have option to overclock ram. It did big difference in my 30L went from 3200mhz to 3467mhz.
@tomgamez8449 2 жыл бұрын
Same for me on my 40l
@borderhopper2148 Жыл бұрын
So his review is basically flawed?
@potatoes5829 Жыл бұрын
@@borderhopper2148 On a normal motherboard, you can oc from bios. Not sure about the HP garbage tho.
@borderhopper2148 Жыл бұрын
@@potatoes5829 but it doesn’t matter though, right?
@Kvicken Жыл бұрын
@@borderhopper2148 The ram in the PC is 3733MHz sticks, yet they can only be ran at 3467MHz through HP's omen gaming hub "overclock" state. So you still lose out a bunch of power from it not running at their original speeds.
@alphacompton 2 жыл бұрын
I'm glad to see some good progress on the prebuilt front even if it's still not ideal. I'm excited for the case. I'll consider it for a future build.
@mycosys 2 жыл бұрын
I dont see how HP can patent something people were doing from the beginning of water cooling (external rad mounting). At the very least other manufacturers can make a rad chamber that looks identical but just screws on like old school rads.
@mirrorsandstuff 2 жыл бұрын
Normally, the devil is in the detail: given that there's a lot of prior art out there, I'll wager the independent claims are fairly specific. That in turn limits the value and power of the patent. E.g. can openers exist. You have made a tomato shaped can opener. Perhaps that doesn't exist. One may be able to patent the concept of tomato shaped can openers, but that patent wouldn't affect existing or future non-vegetable shaped can openers.
@BillyONeal 2 жыл бұрын
A lot of patents are granted that don’t survive in litigation because someone found prior art like this
@TheLostOne156 2 жыл бұрын
well if Bruce Buffer can patent "Let's get ready to rumble" i dont see why
@anlumo1 2 жыл бұрын
Unless you have a six-figure sum to waste on legal proceedings, patents hold no matter their claims.
@mirrorsandstuff 2 жыл бұрын
@@BillyONeal in theory, as part of a patent being granted, there should be an action known as search where prior art of examined. Often this either results in the disclosure being withdrawn or the claims being restricted. It's also one of the reasons why there's a delay between publishing of a pending disclosure and granting - so outside parties can review and contest. Patents aren't academic papers. They can be really quite limited in terms of what they legally protect and really quite shit overall. But it sounds fancy sometimes and it does introduce a legal hammer that many might shy away from if HP's lawyers come knocking, regardless of the true legal value of any potentially granted patent.
@MuitoDaora 2 жыл бұрын
Good luck for HP enforcing the patent. Just because the radiator have its own air path?🤣🤣🤣
@pottedrosepetal6906 2 жыл бұрын
so, my idea would be to just flip the radiator and put the pipes on the other side lol.
@hawkanonymous2610 2 жыл бұрын
Jup, I literally started laughing then Linus started to explain it because guess how I installed my 200x400 radiator on my case years ago lol. Yeah, mount the radiator outside is truely worthy of its very own patent.
@mycosys 2 жыл бұрын
Yep, people have been doing this for 20 years in PCs, a lot longer in other industries. I dont see how its a valid patent, tho they may have patented some design quirk, not the concept
@0638 2 жыл бұрын
Hi linus tech tips
@oOWaschBaerOo 2 жыл бұрын
my take.. you cant just patent something that has been done a million times already by people and companies before .. aka external radiator .. which this clearly is
@nikanj 2 жыл бұрын
I suspect these decisions were very much intentional. By enforcing power limit and not enabling XMP they probably reduced the annual failure rate a tiny bit. And people buying these systems will probably not notice.
@austinverlinden2236 2 жыл бұрын
Could be changed in later bios updates.
@touness69 2 жыл бұрын
Would enabling xmp increase failures as much as the performance boost would not be worth ?
@mcknightujc Жыл бұрын
@@touness69 no. Not if you havr a reliable kit
@CST1992 10 ай бұрын
@@mcknightujc That's the thing - HP doesn't have RAM kits on par with gaming modules we can buy on the market.
@brucesummers7448 5 ай бұрын
I bought the HP Omen 45L with the RTX 4090 graphics card in December of 2023. Upon opening the case to add in a 10GB Ethernet card and a Firewire card I found that with the mini-ATX motherboard there were no slots available. I shipped the computer back to HP. Lenovo Legion 7i does allow for adding a 16-lane PCIe card along with a 4-lane card. The Legion also has a 2.5GB Ethernet port which is considerably better than the 1GB Ethernet port provided on the HP 45L computer. Great job on the case design but a very poor job on the motherboard design by the HP product engineers.
@emlyndewar 2 жыл бұрын
Cool that they patented it, so this is the only case choice with this. Will be even more awesome when they stop with this case design after a couple years. Great for consumers.
@veduci22 2 жыл бұрын
It's basically just radiator sitting on top of two (front+back) case protrusions, how is it possible to patent that...
@barknbryce6993 2 жыл бұрын
i am sure companies on aliexpress will obey this patent
@generaxz5929 2 жыл бұрын
@@veduci22 I feel like this will hardly prohibit you from mounting a Radiator with a dust filter externally. That would be like pattening that the rediators for an AC are outside the building. Probably only this dual-chamber design isn't possible, but I'll let the legal departments of the case makers figure that out. External rediators are nothing new either way.
@Zaptosis 2 жыл бұрын
@@generaxz5929 You make a great analogy. Maybe a company can just make it look different & that will be good enough. Or they can challenge the patent in court should HP decide to sue.
@WilliamJCraig 2 жыл бұрын
They didn't obtain exclusive rights on this tech-they merely filed an application on it. There has yet to be any review of the app by an examiner (per Public PAIR), thus no one can really speculate as to whether or not this patent will be granted. In fact, I can almost assure you at least one revision, wherein the claims are restricted in their scope, will be completed prior to any patent being granted on the tech. First-action allowances are very, very rare. Especially in a crowded art like this. TLDR, there's really no need to worry about this. And if you are worried, or have done something similar in the past, you are welcome to submit that as a preissuance submission so that the examiner is forced to review it when completing a prior art review.
@kiwimonster3647 2 жыл бұрын
Weird and more difficult solution for a problem that could have been solved easier. I'm also waiting for Steve's tests and opinion on this. But preps for HP being non-proprietary
@NTipton90 2 жыл бұрын
Steve has, fortunately, already blessed us with his opinion of this in a news video 😂
@STORMFIRE07 2 жыл бұрын
@@NTipton90 link?
@MallocFree90 2 жыл бұрын
like...? Can you give us some amazing ideas?
@user-sf5md1fc1w 2 жыл бұрын
Thighsucker 69 kzfaq.info/get/bejne/eMtxZ7CW1b_GZok.html in the middle of this new review. Basically says what op said
@0638 2 жыл бұрын
Ok
@tazamemaru159 2 жыл бұрын
If anyone is wondering, the ram speed problem has been fixed as far as I can tell. In the omen gaming hub you can go into the overclocking tab and on the top right you can switch from your cpu to ram. There you can „overclock“ your ram to 3733 without any problems.
@HavadaBulut55 Жыл бұрын
maybe removing all pre installed oem software is not realy the best thing to do, like suggested in the video?
@yanni-duff Жыл бұрын
@@HavadaBulut55 it is the best thing to do, 99% of it is useless junk. They obviously left the omen hub in.
@jonpayne6836 Жыл бұрын
I bought the 45L with 16GB ram and later upgraded with a kingston's fury beast but cannot overclock OR control RGB on those ones through omen gaming hub, also all my RGB is now acting sporadically...i cant turn it on as we speak and it pisses me off
@anthonymagana8384 Жыл бұрын
@@jonpayne6836 Even though it kinda sucks I would recommend you just upgrade the HyperX RAM it comes with. I have a 30L with a R7 5800X, 3070ti and 16gb of 3200mhz DDR4. Overclocking the ram to 3700mhz definitely helped but I am going to order two more 8gb sticks to make 32gb and to add a more full look to the RAM slots.
@tsterling5276 Жыл бұрын
Great Video and I love that you always look "behind" the cover! Maybe one add: if you buy the Ryzen version you can use the Ryzon Master to change the Memory speed. With Intel you are absolutely right: no way to change it easily
@XDSDDLord 2 жыл бұрын
You forgot to mention that they are choking their 3090 with a giant front glass panel blocking the intake so it can't boost as high. I wish you tested it without the front panel like GN does to show just how stupid that is. Personally I won't buy any case that blocks airflow like that on principle. They created a solution to a problem that shouldn't exist.
@deanthebean4818 2 жыл бұрын
Yeah wtf. Why even put fans there if there's a solid object with no airflow
@christianwatt2924 2 жыл бұрын
i dont think they need those dust filters , i fucking hate the glass front trend its meant for fucking zoomers who buy their pc based on how it looks and how much it lights up
@MeAMoose 2 жыл бұрын
@@christianwatt2924 *me looking at my rainbow vomit machine* uuuuuh...
@chazs6854 2 жыл бұрын
@\f_a/ why’re you defending a terrible design? The front panel with side intake with also having air filters is providing basically nothing. Even if they are high pressured fans (serious doubt they are) it still would provide barely any air
@ExarchGaming 2 жыл бұрын
@@christianwatt2924 the only company that i've seen that does a glass front right, is Lian Li. the o11 dynamic (and dynamic evo) don't place their fans behind that glass and instead place it in the inner wall leading to the right side of the case. with the evo, it now has direct air access. but even the standard o11 dynamic tested very well under GN's battery of tests. Go figure, it's the case Roman helped design.
@thexgamer8240 2 жыл бұрын
HP: *This is the PC with the best cooler right now.* Linus: *We’ll see about that, just like you’ll see our sponsors.*
@arnox4554 2 жыл бұрын
Doesn't have any 5.25'' bays. Don't care. And by the way, before anyone says, "Optical media is outdated!", you can use the bays for a LOT more than just an optical drive reader.
@jacob_997 2 жыл бұрын
fr he always has a sponsor
@mycosys 2 жыл бұрын
This is something people have been doing since the early days of water cooling, i dont see how it is possibly patentable.
@SirAlph4 2 жыл бұрын
@@arnox4554 and for what
@0638 2 жыл бұрын
Yes
@aule10 2 жыл бұрын
I hope that case will be available for itself. Because i honestly think this is the way forward to be able to cool both powerhungry components CPU and GPU.
@pvndavibes 2 жыл бұрын
Thank you Linus for making a video about this! I got a 30L recently and have the same issues.
@BGraves 2 жыл бұрын
Wait, you're telling me that liquid cool has always share the same space with the case?! Not sure how they managed to get a patent for the most obvious uninventive design choice.
@0638 2 жыл бұрын
Ji
@mycosys 2 жыл бұрын
getting it doesnt mean its valid - people have been doing this since the beginning of water cooling. It also may be for some specific quirk.
@TheLostOne156 2 жыл бұрын
hmm they made the case design that they put RnD into. and they are planning to mass produce the case.
@jondolar126 2 жыл бұрын
In fact, since I started with custom water cooling I've always been looking for cases with separate chambers, which always existed. Pretty obvious as you say. Ended up working with external Mo-Ra Radiator, so the whole room is my cooling chamber and no fan at all spinning in my case anymore.
@dero949 2 жыл бұрын
It isnt patented. Their patent application has just been published. That isn't the same as a being patented and gives them absolutely no rights until it is actually looked at by a patent examiner and then allowed.
@JohnDoe-qc3bo 2 жыл бұрын
I thought a fatal flaw would be something that was failing in a lot of these really. It is still a flaw, just a disappointing one. It is one reason I like to build my own PC even though the god damned miners and scalpers are making it really hard to do that.
@desther7975 2 жыл бұрын
Yep. Better to go with a good iGPU at this point. You may not have the fastest, smoothest, prettiest gaming experience, but it comes cheap and beats giving money to crooks.
@madtech5153 2 жыл бұрын
@@desther7975 and yet AMD didn't give it to us the latest RDNA2 igpu. only available for now in laptops and the upcoming steamdeck. still disappointing
@Xfade81 2 жыл бұрын
It is a fatal flaw in a lot of these. Alot of prebuilts don't have xmp enabled. The biggest flaw with this one is the locked bios.
@ShowXTech 2 жыл бұрын
@Mad Tech From what I know RDNA2 makes only sense with DDDR5 so you have to wait a bit for the next Desktop Ryzen, hopefully named 7000
@madtech5153 2 жыл бұрын
@@ShowXTech no, unless they restrict it to use only DDR5, the gap between ddr4 and early ddr5 is still small. even without ddr5, its also still a better igpu than vega, 1.5x-2x better.
@scotthallgv 2 жыл бұрын
I love this idea actually and have planning on rigging something similar up with my radiator outside the top of my case. My solution isnt as nice looking but it would essentially do the same thing. I like this a lot though for sure.
@bdr32965 11 ай бұрын
Actually you can override the kneecapping of the memory speed within the Omen Gaming Hub and set it to the full 3733 Mhz instead of using it at 3200 Mhz
@Kcdeanoo 7 ай бұрын
how
@JohnSmith-hr8xv 4 ай бұрын
@Kcdeanoo It's jut right there in the Omen Hub were you able to find it?
@Black3ternity 2 жыл бұрын
Funny how this case gave me flashbacks to the era of 2006 where you could buy seperate case-addons for watercooling or Chiller-Units that went below or on top of your case to do exactly what HP now has patented...
@ttomkins4867 2 жыл бұрын
There also has been cases with a separate cooling chamber for your radiator(s). Difference being they pulled & exhausted from the sides.
@CordovanSplotchVT 2 жыл бұрын
That should still be doable without getting into legal trouble since a separate external casing for a radiator isn't what they patented, they patented having it as an integrated part of the PC case. The main problem with the separate radiator casing is that it requires a bit of DIY work with most cases to let you pass the tubing out through the PC case.
@empath69 2 жыл бұрын
@@ttomkins4867 *really?* Ouch, that would actually constitute 'Prior Art' for HP's application for patent of "Computing Devices With Integrated And Isolated Liquid Cooling" which is pretty BROAD, legally-speaking. Even the "Abstract" on the patent application shown at 2:20 isn't sufficiently distinct in its description to NOT include what YOU describe - they only describe the airgap between the cooling compartment and computing compartment being "defined by the external surfaces of the housing"...unless what you describe merely had an internal 'bulkhead' separating the cooler from the mobo etc, it'd be Prior Art, and proof that HP did NOT come up with the idea themselves.
@Blaze6108 2 жыл бұрын
Did... did they really get a patent on the concept of putting a radiator on the outside of the case? How braindead can the patent office be?
@mycosys 2 жыл бұрын
They used to be about the most advanced company in computing believe it or not. Before all of us were born XD
@LlamaCraft 2 жыл бұрын
hewlett packard and dell used to be powerhouses until they werent
@Hietakissa 2 жыл бұрын
I doubt the patent is of the concept itself
@awesomestuff9715 2 жыл бұрын
i mean, the patents office dont care if the patents make sense or not, also it's this specific design of putting it like an inch or 2 above the case like that, and not just simply having a rad outside the case
@Josh-cw8by 2 жыл бұрын
I mean they used to be on the outside of the case... I still use my Coolermaster case that has loop holes for an exterior radiator. HP just sealed the deal.
@darkdoe1 2 жыл бұрын
Would be interesting to see you guys strip out the supplied parts and build a custom system in that case to see what you can get
@Emerald.Islands Жыл бұрын
The standalone case for the 45L Omen has officially been launched! As Linus showed interest for it I think maybe it could be redeemed with a new episode!
@Carmisci 2 жыл бұрын
I'd like to see what would happen if you took the prebuilt and just replaced all the components with identical components (replacing the motherboard with a different one in the process) and seeing if the performance is similar
@bradley3549 2 жыл бұрын
Really all you would need is a new motherboard.
@Fay7666 2 жыл бұрын
Well that's why they'll sell the case separately (I hope)
@redrangerJ 2 жыл бұрын
I'd love to see a custom loop in here as well and see if it's feasible for that. Might be a cool use case for it.
@gregkelly2145 2 жыл бұрын
I'm surprised they didn't do that. Seems kind of an obvious way to see how well the Cryo Chamber really works.
@st1ngplays 2 жыл бұрын
@@Fay7666 2:23 has your answer
@kowalskidiazdegeras9190 2 жыл бұрын
So... the front, solid panel is such an obstruction to airflow that the vacuum made by the fans makes the temperature drop by 1°C
@4skintim962 2 жыл бұрын
its not a bug, its a feature
@0638 2 жыл бұрын
ok
@purplemonkeyelephant 2 жыл бұрын
@@4skintim962 Limiting intake air but having it be cooler is like putting out a house fire using a glass of ice water instead of a fire hose
@kowalskidiazdegeras9190 2 жыл бұрын
@@purplemonkeyelephant it's not even that: the drop in temperature would only happen in the space between the fans and the front panel. Once the air has passed the fans, it regains the current air pressure and temperature (technically it would be even hotter, but in this case the difference is negligeable)
@alanhobson9121 2 жыл бұрын
I really hate the trend of some manufacturers putting fans in the front of the case and then sealing them behind a glass panel. What a freaking waste. Just put some RGB ring lights behind the glass if that's the look you want. It would have the same esthetic effect, cost less, be quieter, and use less power.
@ninetenduh 2 жыл бұрын
Would love to see a test where the case uses actually decent components against a standard case.
@Sectric 11 ай бұрын
ya
@xrtamvfg 2 жыл бұрын
nice, short, informative video hadnt had to skip once! perfect
@Jack32X 2 жыл бұрын
really hope it is coming out as a separate case, even with its odd OEM unpainted bits, it's a classy looking case
@therealdemen247 2 жыл бұрын
2:21 ;)
@marcbusby3625 2 жыл бұрын
To me the omen looks like an attempt to go back to the days of voodoo pc, who where known at the time for making high end custom desktops before being purchased and intergrated into hp much like alienware was to dell. The omen was one of their full size desktop pc's when voodoo pc was a thing
@risingstar1309 2 жыл бұрын
Interesting history. Cool that you shared that.
@Clavichordist 2 жыл бұрын
Thanks for that info. I wondered what happened to Voodoo.
@chrisw1462 2 жыл бұрын
With airflow design being just wide open in scope for decades, I can't imagine someone not finding Prior Art on this kind of cooling to invalidate their patent. Hell, a turbo aftercooler is probably close enough.
@binurakulasinghe308 2 жыл бұрын
Aren't patents granted AFTER the patent office finds there were no relevant prior art? I'd have thought the window for that would be over if they already have a patent.
@darkpraxis 2 жыл бұрын
@@binurakulasinghe308 You greatly overestimate the scope of what the patent office can does when granting patents. They get shit wrong all the time and patent owners and patent "violators" have to initiate legal actions to either protect their patent or invalidate it.
@squidwardo7074 Жыл бұрын
@@darkpraxis just like the whole rest of the government, they only know what you tell them
@clzliljohn1983 2 жыл бұрын
10-12 minutes is the perfect time for a video-quality work as always.
@sterbebett 2 жыл бұрын
Man, I can't wait for them to finish the lab and see this sort of conclusions on MANY products on the market clamming _Fastest/coolest/quietest/most efficient_
@zackmatey1793 2 жыл бұрын
You're better off to watch Gamers Nexus. They've reviewed many such prebuilts in the past and shown their myriad of issues.
@sterbebett 2 жыл бұрын
@@zackmatey1793 That's true
@talhahtaco2035 2 жыл бұрын
Of course, they make something cool, and make it patented, what else was I supposed to expect
@ZarkNasir 2 жыл бұрын
That's how they will make money
@talhahtaco2035 2 жыл бұрын
@@ZarkNasir yeah I understand but it's just shitty of them, instead of just relying on a good product they have to stop others from making better products to make money
@Lo33y_ 2 жыл бұрын
Unfortunately it's law that needs to be in place. Would screw over little guys if it wasnt.
@Bijoubix 2 жыл бұрын
It's an Omen, patent it!
@PrimeDonut_ 2 жыл бұрын
So if you design something that is better than the competition you wouldn't want to protect yourself? They can license the design to other manufacturers
@tequilatech 2 жыл бұрын
Wao!! I didn't ever think that they would release such a beast!
@nateshrager512 2 жыл бұрын
Good cooling concept, I've put my AOI radiator outside my rig before for this reason
@MegaMech 2 жыл бұрын
I'm sure the other companies thought of this and was like: "Naa, that's dumb" and now it's a patent. So stupid. Nothing patentable here.
@luhmenace1970 2 жыл бұрын
kzfaq.info/get/bejne/i62YlcSHsJaqd4E.html....
@tylerpals7891 2 жыл бұрын
It would have been cool if you tested it with a different motherboard bios and see how far this design really improves things.
@haleypotter417 2 жыл бұрын
Hope we get a follow up to this!
@bussyloverr Жыл бұрын
I love the fact you can see where sponsors end in videos just by looking at the "most replayed" thing on the time line
@byroncassidy6878 2 жыл бұрын
Im just getting into the pc gaming scene and your videos have been sooo helpful. Thank you and please keep up the great vids 👍
@SudheeraPalihakkara 2 жыл бұрын
That’s how you get hooked to LTT 😂
@zzaynz7146 2 жыл бұрын
You’re in for the best ride of your life
@calebstuhldreier3099 2 жыл бұрын
Bro same, I’ve just gotten into it and I’ve been watching his videos nonstop. He’s been extremely helpful and all around love the videos. I learn new things everyday
@0638 2 жыл бұрын
Hi linus tech tips
@Splarkszter 2 жыл бұрын
Nice to have fresh meat here
@Vatharian 2 жыл бұрын
Mayne, many years ago I had Koolance's external top-of-the-case radiator, which was exactly this. They even sold a case which had raised mounting slot for it and cover for tubing. How the hell HP patented it?
@TheRandomASDF Жыл бұрын
Thank you for your honest opinion. At least everything is upgradable/fixable unlike many other prebuilds 😬 I‘m happy with mine so far 😬
@nehemiasaquino9080 5 ай бұрын
Thinking of buying it myself let me know if your satisfaction holds
@TheRandomASDF 5 ай бұрын
@@nehemiasaquino9080 Still holds up 👍 But I think there are some differences in models. For example, my 2nd ssd slot was beneath my gpu, contrary to some guides on youtube and it required a heatsink (ssd beneath gpu, makes sense). Otherwhise it seems really accessible and upgradable for the future, except for the newest generation of ram, for mine at least. But that depends on the motherboard, so choosing whats in your pc (gpu, cpu, etc. is most important). One thing I have to mention is that you have to be somewhat knowledgeable about softwares or at least not be afraid to tweak it. The omen gaming hub for example, has an unnecessary overlay that you can disable. It requires some guides and knowledge of where and what to look for. But its not too difficult. As you have to run the omen gaming hub and either the amd or nvidia softwares it can also be somewhat tricky to understand what you need to disable, what is needed and what is just unnecessary. Hope I could help 👍
@tdwolf21 2 жыл бұрын
The computer I got from Build Redux seems to have a bit of an hybrid approach. All intake is from the front 3 120mm fans. However, two of the 120mm slots are used from the AIO rad, and the other one is a direct bypass to the GPU. Finally, all air output is from the rear and back. This seems to be a good compromise for all other cases with a front intake.
@ethanmobley 2 жыл бұрын
They go through all this trouble to separate the radiator, then they put a glass panel over the front intakes. Why couldn't it be mesh front so the GPU is getting nice airflow, too?
@tahsin28 2 жыл бұрын
Doesn't matter bro, air flows just fine.
@skroozscrungus6738 2 жыл бұрын
@@tahsin28 no, it really doesn't. non mesh panel fronts are unacceptable.
@HUSTLER1346 2 жыл бұрын
isn’t there a gap in front where the glass is tho?
@tiladx 2 жыл бұрын
@@HUSTLER1346 Air would come through the side gap (which also is mesh-like and will easily get clogged with dust) and immediately have to turn 90 degrees, which slows down the airflow immensely. The gap also only appears to be about 10-15mm, when it should be at least 25-30 to properly work.
@carsonschreiber 2 жыл бұрын
Probs so the system sounds quieter. Even if with the mesh front panel would have better thermals when the system is noise-normalized, it’s maybe just safer for HP to put a glass panel. Also potentially less people complaining about coil whine. And some people prefer the look. My guesses anyway
@gromett 2 жыл бұрын
Separate water cooling was something I was doing well over a decade ago with a Zalman Reserator 2. However, I do like the idea of the separate chamber up top. I am now rejigging my plans for a custom case I am building myself.
@dougle03 2 жыл бұрын
I'm willing to bet the design is not original, but HP have deep pockets to apply for the patent...
@razorsz195 2 жыл бұрын
I HOPE they do a fully mesh side panel or 50/50 top glass/mesh bottom split and mesh on front if they sell this as just a case..it would perform SO much better.
@ItGuyTechTips 2 жыл бұрын
I honestly think if you do things right that you can accomplish the same sort of effect with Fractal Design Node 804, you just need to place the radiator on the top of right chamber and try to isolate them a bit better from each other. You can then push the air from the front of the case to feed the radiator and gpu with fresh air.
@nepderp8343 2 жыл бұрын
"HP's patent means no one can do this" China : Hold my BING CHILLING
@lolpl0000 2 жыл бұрын
BING CHILLING I LOVE THIS ICR CREAM BING CHILLING
@josesantos672 2 жыл бұрын
Having used a fog machine for similar purposes professionally for an HVAC project, I'd caution doing so excessively with PC's and especially ones you want to continue using later. They can leave behind some gnarly, sticky glycol or glycerin-based residue. Definitely looks cool though!
@burtmacklin6443 2 жыл бұрын
Recently got a Dell Inspiron 16 laptop, it came with outdated firmware and the graphics settings were defaulted to Intels UHD instead of the RTX... I don't think the average consumer would have found out about the latter and if it weren't for a dodgy touchpad I wouldn't have found out about the prior. Things like this really make me question these companies.
@Capt_Lucy 2 жыл бұрын
Can't believe the lack of options in UEFI, but let me guess, they also locked the sata mode into RST with no option to change it so you can't install Linux. That's how my omen laptop is. It sucks because I was wanting to make the switch recently. I'll definitely be checking for that option with my next purchase.
@HUSTLER1346 2 жыл бұрын
i think i’m just going to buy the case, and build my own. can’t trust that motherboard and i really like the cryo cooling. it even looks cool, people say it’s over engineered but i like how roomy it make the inside
@noelcovarrubias7490 2 жыл бұрын
@Tech & Gaming Keyword "looks".
@stayed9694 2 жыл бұрын
motherboard is terrible.
@kyleholt7112 2 жыл бұрын
Same bro but with so much demand of the case its gonna be like $400 lmao
@Daiwek 2 жыл бұрын
amazing graph at 10:13 LMG great job i love the botched x axis ironic the VO is "stacked the deck in their favor"
@MccElite 2 жыл бұрын
They noticed it afterwards and have the correct graph
@RicardoFlotte 2 жыл бұрын
Hi Linus, just to let you know HP already released a BIOS update back in february (F.12) that let's you enable XMP profile for the RAM or a custom profile
@JohnsonnPlays 2 жыл бұрын
does this fix their issue?
@borderhopper2148 Жыл бұрын
Does this fix the issue?
@borderhopper2148 Жыл бұрын
@@JohnsonnPlays idk does it?
@JohnsonnPlays Жыл бұрын
@@borderhopper2148 idk does it?
@HarmonicVector Жыл бұрын
@@JohnsonnPlays It fixes one issue, which was them throttling their 3200MHz RAM. But their Power delivery on the CPU is still a problem.
@2APatriot 2 жыл бұрын
I bought a case years ago that had a separate radiator zone but it was on the side not top. HP just did what others have in a different spot and patented it.
@qwertyuiopasdf160 2 жыл бұрын
HP In future: Um YeA wE MaDe a rAM WitH a CoOl DEsigN aNd uM yEa wE aRe GoNNa pAteNT It
@eric-. 2 жыл бұрын
there's a clear reason why HP did this - by limiting the power draw, this PC will not overheat. That, in itself, is a huge plus for HP, who have had chronic overheating problems for 20 years. The end result will be HP will have less warranty replacements to cover. Win for HP with fewer customer returns, win for customer for having a more stable, longer lasting computer. In the real world, 15% in cinebench should NOT be a deal breaker. Ok, now I have to go get some mouthwash to deal with this disgusting aftertaste of having to say something good about HP. 🤮
@Ther0 2 жыл бұрын
Just came here to point out that the Sony VAIO VGC-RA820G from 2005 basically did the same thing but with heatpipes. It was quite remarkable
@Niko-op3oz 2 жыл бұрын
Wow
@dsolash 2 жыл бұрын
Alot of my pre-built oem stuff have some complicated keystrokes to access an advanced bios which usually has all the proper settings. Not sure if this is the case here, but it's worth looking into
@24879067marshall 2 жыл бұрын
Will wait for the case. Hope it comes in another colour than finger print magnet black
@apexlegendsseniorcitizen2166 2 жыл бұрын
You can overclock the Ram now in the omen gaming hub. Big W. Getting my first gaming PC soon. Omen45L i712900k / 3080ti.
@demetriusholloway9599 2 жыл бұрын
I just bought the same one today but it's i9-12900K . It will be my first as well. I cannot wait!
@izenbice Жыл бұрын
Hows your PC been? Just purchased my 45L but with a 3080, super stoked for it to arrive!
@apexlegendsseniorcitizen2166 Жыл бұрын
@@izenbice It's been really good to me.
@CoolJosh3k 2 жыл бұрын
I think they went extreme on stability, while trying to still appear like they are actually using the performance they marketed.
@firefly9838 9 ай бұрын
Some of us like stable and don't need to run the entire matrix on our PC😒
@CoolJosh3k 9 ай бұрын
@@firefly9838 I agree. Depending on what you do, stability and reliability can be very important. With more people working from home these days, I expect the desire for stability is more common.
@Schytheron 2 жыл бұрын
It would be really cool if someone tested this case versus the Fractal Design Torrent (which is currently topping the charts in terms of cooling).
@theredscourge 2 жыл бұрын
Gotta go to Gamers Nexus for that sort of content I think
@tomgamez8449 2 жыл бұрын
I've had the 40l with 5800x and 3080 since February and it's never missed a beat really powerful also doesn't feel like they limit performance at all cpu typically draws 112w max load and GPU 310w
@justanirishtayto5755 2 жыл бұрын
I’d love to see you guys do a hp 30l. Got one recently and it’s been doing really well so far, but would love to see you guys find it’s shortcomings
@helloyellow4773 2 жыл бұрын
I got one and im happy with it :) Best prebuild for a good valv in eu => Cost 80€ more than the normal priceses 😇
@justanirishtayto5755 2 жыл бұрын
@@helloyellow4773 it’s really good so far for me too! However, I’d love to them do a tear down and maybe learn something more about the prebuilt I got
@helloyellow4773 2 жыл бұрын
@@justanirishtayto5755 Very good video idea maybe tssting all variants of cases from hp :) Would be very interesting! 😊
@Ghandjaloodah 2 жыл бұрын
Same. Got one too. Performance is really good. Just worried about thermals and fan noise. Sounds like a yet taking off. Also not being able to change settings in bios is lame. Debating if I should upgrade to the 45 L for better thermals airflow, Get a noctua 15 something to replace current CPU cooler. Or buy components and make own build. Which would be at least 800,- more then what I paid now.
@NarenDrives 2 жыл бұрын
You can enable XMP in the HP Omen app instead of going into BIOS
@ImKevan 2 жыл бұрын
I'm thinking with some shroud work and pvc piping, i could probably come up with something just as impressive benchmark wise, I'm thinking something almost as simple as sticking a GPU inside a PVC pipe with a slot cut out of the bottom for the PCI-E connector and jamming a couple big fans in a row to force air straight out the back, then the GPU heat should no longer be an issue for the top mount rad, would take a bit more than that since a regular pipe would block other components, but you get the idea, just pipe off the air flow from the GPU, probably cost like 30 bucks, and the concept could work in literally any case not just just a "special" HP one.
@naWunderbarsch 2 жыл бұрын
Were you not allowed to build the test bench inside this case? I expected that to be a really interesting experiment, to see how much the power limits hurt the components. Maybe you can test this once the standalone case is available.
@andiders 2 жыл бұрын
My CaseLabs STH10, basically has this. Two separate chambers, which pulls air in and out independent from the air in the main chamber.
@JohannJVR 2 жыл бұрын
Greatest case manufacturer our world has ever had the priviledge of knowing!
@tvw4951 2 жыл бұрын
Same with my SMH10 with the pedestals, granted its sitting in my attic but I'll never let go of that case. Its in the works for a 'retro' SR-2 EVGA build. **Edit I mean M10 w/ pedestal addons (both top extended and bottom)
@TyphoonNLD 2 жыл бұрын
my Silverstone TJ-11 has something like this as well
@Catsrules1 2 жыл бұрын
Holly crap you could fit a child in that case lol
@efeyzee 2 жыл бұрын
HP's patent includes an air gap between the two chambers, making it distinct as far as I can tell. This also means that as long as there is no air gap, other case manufacturers can keep doing this
@paulbrooks4395 2 жыл бұрын
A little shaving on cost saving ends up with bigger performance hits. However, it’s possible that the components HP sourced were quite a bit cheaper and more available than what LTT had. The final price difference could have been disproportionate depending. Remember that they compete with other builders and DIYers to hit price points. I hope they do make better models in the future, but given the shortages, it may be a while until we see it.
@nicholasvinen 2 жыл бұрын
I solved this same problem using off the shelf parts simply by using a GPU that came with an AIO plus an AIO CPU cooler, both set up as exhausts. Fresh air enters the case, cools the motherboard, then exits via either the GPU or CPU radiator.
@jerrylostinaz8863 2 жыл бұрын
I guess everyone forgot about "Coolmaster Haf Stacker" you could seperate cooling in that box system .. but, really HP and the product priority components, like they would be like any other system maker..
@empath69 2 жыл бұрын
well, if the Cooler Master product had a detachable cooling compartment, which isn't already isolated from the main part of the case by an airgap, that would NOT fall under the abstract explained in the US Patent Application shown on the screen at 2:20 But if Cooler Master DID do that, that's definitive 'Prior Art' (hell a finished, released for sale, product) and would invalidate HP's patent - I'm sure THEIR legal department already did a search for Prior Art before letting them make the patent application...the question remains: did 'HP Legal' do a diligent enough job to find ALL examples of even "described in a publication in any country"?
@steakmaster9026 2 жыл бұрын
so in order to boost the ram in this system you need to access the omen gaming hub, go to desktop, and click overclocking, there you can boost the ram
@borderhopper2148 Жыл бұрын
His review is flawed then
@_evildoer 2 жыл бұрын
I would love to see the case itself tested against other cases
@luhmenace1970 2 жыл бұрын
kzfaq.info/get/bejne/i62YlcSHsJaqd4E.html....
@wimberlytwins 2 жыл бұрын
I'd LOVE to see someone try to do a custom loop in this case
@Zegery 2 жыл бұрын
My brother had an omen 30l with an RTX 3070 and ryzen 7 3700x. He got new ram and couldn't do xmp because locked bios, so he got a motherboard, power supply, and case swap and it's now a beast.
@circuschris2880 2 жыл бұрын
Nice writing Anthony, HP-ness choking it up gave me a good laugh.
@ohmahrie 2 жыл бұрын
For anyone looking at these, HP gaming hub recently got an update that lets you OC your ram, so the hyperXs can now officially hit that 3733 mhz
@touness69 2 жыл бұрын
Are you seeing any boost in performance since then ? What about temps?
@ohmahrie 2 жыл бұрын
@@touness69 performance is amazing, and temps also amazing. The cryo chamber isn’t a gimmick, it really helps. It’s also SUPER quiet compared to my last computer.
@touness69 2 жыл бұрын
@@ohmahrie could you provide R23 score ? Timespy ?
@imagamer5389 2 жыл бұрын
The light are picturesque & also the performance 😮😮😮😮
@cinlung 2 жыл бұрын
Also, change the back exhaust fan to a 14mm or bigger if just one fan to exhaust intakes from 3 x 12mm fans.
@BaconNBeer Жыл бұрын
Since you can buy the case by itself does that mean it will take standard mother boards? It would be nice to get away from properity mother boards.
@betteroffburnt_ 2 жыл бұрын
Interesting case but I am sure there has been something similar to this years ago. I was working on a concept dustless case and came across something like this , still would love to build it but the watercooling loop I need is out of my reach :-(
@phenomanII 2 жыл бұрын
Get yourself an EK Leak Tester and look for good deals on used parts. The leak tester allows you to take apart the blocks, clean them out completely, assemble them AND test them afterwards to make sure they won't leak. You can even test parts you can't take apart, like radiators. It will save you tons of money, there's deals on used hardware out there and even a 10 year old D5 pump will work just fine for years. Nevermind old and beat up radiators that still don't have any leaks, just some dents, bent fins and scratches. I'm only saying this because I was also waiting to build a dustless case (though more just to seal in the coil whine). Now that I have it, I couldn't imagine having any other setup.
@empath69 2 жыл бұрын
gee, you might wanna make copies of any documentation of that and send them to the US Patent Office, because that would constitute "Prior Art" and *invalidate any patent HP would be applying for* When can a patent be declared invalid? *If one can prove that the invention was known or used by others in the U.S.* or patented or described in a publication in any country before the invention thereof by the applicant, the patent is invalid. Heck, even if you got the idea from *a description in a magazine article* that's 'reasonable doubt' that HP's named applicants came up with the idea independently...
@betteroffburnt_ 2 жыл бұрын
@@empath69 I am not sure if I prior sketch on a piece of paper from 5 years ago with no date on it will affect their patent as I have no evidence to prove it other than my word.my idea was to create a seperate cooling chamber . The idea was similar to this but they made it work while mine was all theory with no actual design just a sketch . Maybe some one found my sketch and shared it with them .
@chrischaf Жыл бұрын
I could swear, a while back, that everyone was writing articles and making videos saying that higher ram speed didn't really make that big of a difference when it came to gaming...
@Flammablemaster1990 2 жыл бұрын
I dunno what’s changed lately but the B roll and music and editing for it has improved drastically
@_____alyptic 2 жыл бұрын
I wonder if it's possible to replace the UEFI/bios itself, I mean there are f-OSS firmware implementations out there now 🤔
@severgun 2 жыл бұрын
1) front glass reduce airflow. 2) top rad have no filter on intake side 3) In some cases you can mix preheated air with fresh by adding intake coolers from bottom or side (lian li, corsair)
@Leadvest 2 жыл бұрын
I had a Sony desktop PC that had an air gap separated partition in the case in the early 00s. You could stick your hand in the split in the case. This reminds me of that
@goncalo33 2 жыл бұрын
6:42 I can see "It's freakin' fantastic! Go buy one now!" appear on their website as a review anytime soon. :)
@percy3815 Жыл бұрын
Omen gaming hub can (on some models) help you ‘overclock’ (read: set to actual operating frequencies) your ram… In many cases it can’t, so I ended up using Ryzen master to manually OC my ram and cpu! The uefi settings with HP Omens are an absolute disgrace
@dgw4049 2 жыл бұрын
When HP wants to build a nice computer... they can totally do it. They also regularly choose to use standardized parts.
@DctrGizmo 2 жыл бұрын
Hopefully you can do a custom build with this case one day.
@MoonyD911 Жыл бұрын
I was about to buy this desktop rig actually since it’s on sale right now. Glad I watched this video first
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