Having this happen in the region where Arrow Dynamics was born seems a sad epilogue. Their second location where several iconic Disneyland rides were designed has already been overbuilt. Let's hope the original location in Mt. View can remain as a historical landmark.

7:01 The inflated price of wood may actually help Gold Striker get a new home because it would cost less to relocate Gold Striker than it would to build a coaster from scratch with new wood, though I agree that the only safe coaster is Lucy's Crabbie Cabbies and the rest of them might be scrapped. Gold Striker could also be bought by either Knoebels or Silverwood.

I work for CGA and I can tell you a few things. There's definitely going to be ride moves but the parks lease can be renewed more than 11 years from insider information. ALSO the park may not be torn down, the city of Santa Clara has cherished this park since the beginning and always will, the mayor even worked there when it was Marriott's Great America. Also a park chain like sea world may buy the park from Prologis or Santa Clara if Santa Clara buys it. I believe this because 310 million is not the value of the land, its much much higher. Also the zoning laws of the land can be forced to stay as a theme park zone. The park my lose rides but it may yet be saved.

I really hope goldstriker, patriot, flight deck, railblazer, and psycho mouse can be saved. But no matter what happens to the coasters, I'm gonna miss CGA so much. I live only 20 minutes or so away from the park and I've been hundreds of times and made so many special memories there throughout my life, I go all the time and have been a season pass holder for 5+ years. It's my home park, I can't believe it's gonna permanently close and once it's gone i can never go back :(

This park has been very close to my house growing up. Watching this is like watching my childhood get auctioned off. I'm gonna miss this park. Honestly i want a piece of grizzly. No way they're doing anything with it and, while it didn't get me *into* coasters, it was a big step towards my confidence in them.

If Patriot gets scrapped I think the trains will go to Carowinds to renovate Vortex also I would be surprised if Flight Deck gets scrapped it’s too good to not go to Valley Fair

I feel like you're pretty spot on in regards to most of the coasters biting the dust. If railblazer is able to be relocated though, I don't see it being too farfetched to have it go to a smaller park. I would think KD would be in line to get a bigger coaster soon. But who knows? Home state bias definitely makes me want WoF. And its a slam dunk perfect fit. I'm honestly surprised WoF or SFSTL hasn't already built a raptor clone.

Buyer: Yes I would like buy Grizzly from you. Great America: How much you offering? Buyer: 2 bucks and a nice rock I found in the parking lot. Great America: SOLD!

More than anything I'm just sad that CGA is leaving, I live 10 minutes from Discovery Kingdom which is a great park, but I always liked that there's more competition and I quite liked CGA. Hopefully I'll get a couple of more visits in to make it a sweet depature. Gonna miss that Raptor.

Operations/line: GOLDSTRIKER: almost always runs two trains (never seen it with only 1) line moves pretty quick, the wait will be like 50 minutes + if you see people outside the entrance though. assigned seating is never really an issue so i recommend asking for the back few rows for best experience. FLIGHT DECK: runs 2 trains roughly 60% of the time, line moves at an ok speed. most of the time you can make a request for a row but if it is crowded then probably not. RAILBLAZER: go through the fast lane line and say that you are a single rider, and you will get on within 0-15 minutes if you are near the station. the regular line is always at least an hour so riding as a single rider is much quicker. back seat is the best and you can usually request a row. PATRIOT: Runs two trains roughly 50% of the time, line is usually pretty small. but the ops are always slow on this ride for whatever reason, DEMON: The line moves pretty slow and roughly runs two trains 30% the time. if there is people somewhat near the entrance at all then line is 1hour + PSHYCO MOUSE: the line moves slower than a snail and i am not kidding, if there is more than 20 people in line then line is 5hrs + GRIZZLY: go ride Goldstriker instead

Weirdly enough, I can actually see "Carousel Columbia" remain where it is as a stand-alone attraction if the land becomes a mixed-use development since stand-alone carousels are quite common. If they can't relocate Gold Striker, then I hope they can at least clone GS at another park while salvaging some parts from the one at California's Great America.

Railblazer to Kings Dominion is music to my ears, hopefully if it does move, it becomes an Anaconda replacement.

I wonder if Gene Staples could save these rides, could you imagine Niagara Fun Park with Flight Deck and/or Patroit? They'll have NY's first B&M coasters and first Floorless coaster. Also, Gene said that he wants to compete with SFDL and with those coasters along with Silver comet, the Anton Shuttle, and the wild mouse that's there, he'll be on the right track.

I think Demon would make sense for Gilroy Gardens if they were continuing to partner. If you have a park that isn't interested in putting effort into expanding then this would be the easiest way to give them their first thrill coaster. If it weren't for the tight financial situation Cedar Fair is in I think this would be a great way to plus up their ignored parks. We all know Cedar Point, Carowinds, Kings Island and Canada's Wonderland will get big investments regardless of what was happening with CGA. So why not use this as a cheap way to draw attention to parks that would otherwise continue to be ignored? However, since they're still recovering from COVID I can easily see them using these rides to continue to stack their favored parks while saving on the cost of new installations.

I find it funny that both great americas had early b and ms, iron wolf, then patriot, and Batman and then flight deck

That was fun! If you want to do a part two, I'd love to hear your fire sale thoughts on the flat rides.

Goldstriker’s layout looks so good! If they aren’t able to relocate it, I’d love to see a park build a clone of Goldstriker.

I have some info for you guys. So I know a group of people looking to open a park in between akron and Cleveland as a geauga lake replacement. I told the head about great America closing at that they should go after gold striker, demon, or psycho mouse as judging by geauga lake those were the kinds of rides left behind when they closed. They called up gci to get a quote on moving gold striker since they were the ones who built it. They said "Cedar fair has no interest in parting with gold striker but would be interested in parting with the other wooden coaster on the property" so idk what this means but that sounds like they have a plan to move it. Take it with a grain of salt but it sounds possible that it will be moved. Just the fact that gci has been talking to cedar fair ar all means they are planning somthing. Keep in mind the very high price of lumber makes moving a wooden coaster more economical than building a new one.

“So…They can put it in Riverside and provide a shuttle out there for all I care.” Might be one of my favorite things you’ve ever said. 😂

I hope gold striker gets moved, it’s truly amazing

I’m hoping grizzly gets moved but with the RMC treatment! I was on it yesterday and all I could think was, “this thing REALLY needs that RMC treatment.” It should be given to a park that doesn’t have a woodie or a park with a good woodie but needs an RMC hybrid.

Would be nice if the drop tower gets sent to michigans adventure

I rode Ghost Rider as a little kid and loved it so going from that to Grizzly would be a major let-down. I certainly wouldn't care to have that ride at Knotts.

Carowinds does seem like a good fit for Gold Striker. Though with how much of a pain it would be to move, and all the free land Carowinds seems to have now (or will have with some rides at the end of their lifespan.) I think Carowinds will eventually build their own woodie.

I feel like this just gives me more reasons to come back to California! If Valleyfair got flight deck I’ll definitely have to make the trip out to Minnesota because I’ve always had my eye on Valleyfair, it’s not too far away from me

What you didn’t mention about KI and the Wild mouse was how that park is very focused on capacity, and 45 minutes at a smaller Cedar Fair park could turn into 1.5 Hours at a big time park like KI.

It’s like you read my mind (in the harsh reality) The flats are of particular interest to me. I would LOVE for my home park of Kings Island to receive Delta Flyer/Eagle’s Flight and for it to be placed in the same path as their original Skyride. Any chance of a flats relocation video?

Great video as always man!!!!!

Thank you I have been waiting for this

I'm really hoping there is some way out of this, the closest park to me is SFDK at a 3 hour drive and I'd much rather drive an extra hour for CGA. I love this park and I can't imagine it closing for good, I rarely get to go to theme parks as it is, and when I do its always between this or SFDK.

Great video! I like how you did a fantasy side to it not just Reality, I hope you do another one I’ll love it.

Going to this every Summer in High school was the best. It’s gonna be sad to see it go. Had potential. Im going to Miss the coasters and the fun. Especially messing around with my buds. Rode my first coaster there (Demon).

This sure brought back memories- I grew up I Burlingame and remember when this opened as Marriott’s Great America. We moved out of state and I only went back a few times afterwards when visiting family, but very fond memories. My daughter’s 8th grade class went there from Oregon for roller coaster physics. Thanks for this video. I’m in memory lane now.

Love the ideas! I just wanted to let you know that I am a ride operator at CGA. Just lmk if you want any current info about the park. Sad to see my home park go though. 😢

Were you surprised to hear that CGA is closing? I didn’t expect this park to be the one that CF was gonna close first

I wish Demon would be relocated even though it won’t likely. Even if it’s an old and kind of dated coaster model… but it’s a classic and even the oldest of things can have a chance of being moved of effort and resources are available.

I would love for goldstriker to be relocated to knoebels, save the ride just like they did the Phoenix, send it to a place that will take care of it, and knoebels gets a wonderful world class ride

Now theirs only one Great America, and that's all the way in Illinois

Flight Deck and Gold Striker are the most disappointing. I don’t see them getting relocated, but I would be very pleased if they were.

My best friend moved to Livermore summer of 87 and got to visit him the following summer and went here during my stay. Was my 4th park credit (not counting the many Funtastic travelling carnivals) behind Enchanted Village (now Wild Waves), Seattle Center Fun Forest (1962-2011, RIP) and my 1st park, now called WA state fair. The "Coaster" there was my 1st credit ever for an adult coaster with my pops. At GrAm, Top Gun may or may not have been fully constructed in 88, but went on Grizzy, the famous carousel and other smaller flats.

Fantasy v2: Cedar Fair opens a new norcal park somewhere cheaper and relocates some of these rides there! 😭But honestly, we're hurting up here for theme parks. I know it probably doesn't make any financial sense for Six Flags to move to a bigger space/expand or Cedar Fair to open a new park up here, but, I'd love a fantasy/theoretical video from you of that happening!

I live about 30 minutes away from both cga and discovery kingdom. So Rip cga 😪

the bright side is that when CF closes down a park, some of their more neglected parks have a chance to get a new coaster. I'm just sad for all the coasters that will be inevitably scrapped. maybe not grizzly, but please lord please give gold striker a new home.

i went for the first time two days ago. have really been into roller coasters lately and experiencing them while they are still there. it was the opening of the season so not everything was open but the lines were quite short. i wasn't aware that they were closing and i'm pretty sad about it now. i would like to go again before they close for good. i skipped railblazer stupidly and goldstriker wasn't open but i'm very glad i rode what was available to me. i wish theme parks never had to close and coasters never had to be scrapped or sold but that just isn't realistic sadly. i love your channel.

Did you see the Hersheypark news? For anyone who doesn’t know, they announced they’re closing Wildcat July 31 and Instagram asked “any suggestions for what we should do with the 3100 Ft of wooden track?” To which RMC replied “We have some ideas!” This is really exciting news

Railblazer would probably work better in Knotts…they’re in need of a flashy coaster and they don’t have much room

Only rides worth saving: railblazer, and it’ll easily go to Knott’s. If Knott’s missed out on railblazer, their leadership failed, and ought to be replaced. It simply fits perfectly with ghost town’s vibe, and would be the most fun coaster there.

Airtime thrills do you think psycho mouse at CGA will replace top thrill dragster at cedar point?

Man it would be fantastic to get Railblazer at Michigans Adventure. It’s such a clean, beautiful park with great staff and profit margins….and to be able to get this without having to sink any overhead cash into it…you wouldn’t need any other rollercoaster. You’d have a fantastic well rounded dry park with and equally great water park. Manageable lines, great food options. Come on CF give my home park a chance!

I still see Michigan's Adventure getting Patriot. Given the very very, very, very low attendance at that park and the trains are less than 10 years old I can see it lasting longer there than anywhere else, and this way they don't have to remember it exists for another 15 years. Also if Cedar Point can replace Corkscrew with Demon it would be a huge improvement. Mostly because Corkscrew is garbage.

As worker at Dorney the park really does get busy at times and if Dorney can get rail blazer the GP will love it and it will bring in a lot of crowds.

We could really use Goldstriker here at Carowinds We can fit it in the old Roaring rapids area Plus that side and area of the park tends to get a little dead and no draw to that spot except for leaving the park. To add to that it wood be a great addition adding another wood coaster to compliment Hurler

@airtime thrills do you think that it’s possible that the drop tower and patriot go to michigans adventure

I 10000000000% hope you’re right about Gold Striker heading to my home park of Carrowinds. It’s fit perfectly! They have the space. And Hurler can be destroyed or converted in a few years. This park needs a class A woodie! And Gold Striker plus an RMC conversion of Hurler (dare to dream), would make it a top 3 park in the chain easily.

Agree with Rail Blazer going to Kings Dominion likely. Carrowinds, King's Island, and Cedar Point are more likely to get a Gen2 Raptor or a T-Rex rather than the Gen1 Raptor Rail Blazer is.

Interesting. I don't think Canada's Wonderland will get anything. We could have new rides or coasters by the time this park closes. That's what I think. Nothing, zip, zilch, nada. Thank you. 😊

3:16 STOP THIS IS SO FUNNY

do you think that michigans adventure will at least get the drop tower since they are the only cedar fair park without a 200 foot tall ride

I tried something like this for CGA but it doesn’t stand a chance against your amazing video!

I think they should move them to different Cedar Fair theme parks after 11 years is up. But it will never be forgotten that this was a great park!

Inverts have been relocated before like the raptor clone from expoland has been relocated to somewhere in europe and it was from 1996 it’s still operating

Sunnyvale, Moffett native. Worked at MGA in 1980. All very sad. LA (Sherman Oaks) now for 40 years and at Disneyland twice a month. I remember Arrow from 101 as a kid.

It definitely makes sense for KD to get Railblazer. It's a little close to Jersey Devil, but that's the only other raptor in the East. Plus, BGW doesn't have anything like it. The thing I worry about the most is GoldStriker. I can't decide if CF will think it's worth moving or not. Hopefully they can either rebuild it from the ground-up in another park or downscale it.

buy or sell: castle park removes the log ride for a thrill coaster (rmc raptor or chance hyper gtx)

As for Patriot, part of me wonders if they may salvage parts from it to convert Vortex at Carowinds.

"Sell it (Grizzly) for a sack of corn if you need to" -Airtime Thrills, 2022

Hundred percent agree on Railblazer (if it can be moved). It's a way to make up for the unexpected loss of Volcano, and there's nothing like it at Busch Gardens. They'll drop it onto Volcano's old spot (the theming even works as it'll be in the jungle section), and depending on the position, may still have room for the proposed wing coaster or possibly a family suspended coaster.

In a way, it would be interesting if the ever on the drawing board Grand Texas buys Woodstock Express from Cedar Fair. For those that don't know Woodstock Express at California's Great America started off as Scooby Doo Ghoster Chaser at Hanna Barbara Land (Imagine King's Island around 1984 but only the kid section of the park) in Spring, TX which is today Six Flags Hurricane Harbor Splashtown. It is no Grizzled Lightning which Grand Texas always says that it is going to rebuild, but engineers might be able to rebuild the Woodstock Express unlike Grizzled Lightning.

Patriot would do good in kings island since it would be incredibly easy to take apart and put back together and it's design works well with most terrain.

I been attending this park when there were no height restrictions & the Demon was called the Turn Of The Century . That was before the double loop.

Would rather see Knott's get Demon since it's like a better version of Corkscrew.

honestly I'd say give patriot and flight deck to Michigan's adventure and valley fair. sure it'd be a pain to move, but gotta give them some love. i don't see them moving the woodies, and rail blazer would be nice at K D, but not as the volcano replacement. make it the anaconda replacement.

I think _Patriot_ has plenty of life left. It's smaller and more tame than _Firebird_ at Six Flags America, the original B&M, and _Firebird_ shows no signs of closing in the foreseeable future. Cedar Fair should relocate _Patriot_ to one of the chain's lower tier parks in the Midwest or sell it to another park in need of a basic looping coaster.

Patriots trains make sense on vortex at carrowinds (the clone of patriot)

Lol “a sack of corn.”

I'm going to miss this park!

If Patriot gets scrapped, I can see the trains going to Carowinds for Vortex.

Suggestion for next Buy or Sell: Wildcat at Hersheypark finally gets the RMC treatment.

I get the feeling Demon will be scrapped for parts for some of the other Arrow coasters Cedar Fair has. Given the price of wood lately, I do think Goldstriker could be moved to Carowinds. It's like you said, Carowinds could use a modern woodie.

I'm saddest about the fact we're most likely losing another Arrow. But given what you said about the B&Ms, it'd be sad to see them go too. At least those aren't too unique experiences; it would really suck if Gold Striker was scrapped. I think they could put it in Carowinds as a good woodie (and Hurler is probably on borrowed time) and they don't even have to rename it, it fits in with Copperhead Strike's western vibe.

hell yea kings dominion would be so happy with an addition like this. Like just imagine 2 RMCs in one park competing against BGW

I wonder if this will speed up the supposed Fresno deal...while it is rumored to be Discovery Kingdom moving here...I doubt it... BUT there has been several meetings with the city and others...the Mayor just a couple months back showed some high level investors 2 very large , theme park sized plots of land in town and just outside of town...

Now that being said, how many attractions go to the other great america, since they both still have a lot of the same attractions

Canada's Wonderland needs Woodstock Express.

Pls tell me one of these coasters moves to Michigan's adventure. We need a new coaster

Here’s my thoughts: Psycho Mouse - WoF or CP Railblazer - Kings Dominion The 2 Smaller Coasters get sold to other parks. The rest get scrapped. I’d like to see Gene Staples or someone pick up one of the steel coasters but it’s tough considering that they are all old

Am I missing something? No one mentions Gemini at CP. Its 126fttall racing woodie lol.

Do you think rail blazer could be moved to knotts? It could probably fit it in where coast rider is but they would have to move some things to make it fit but it might squeeze in and theirs no residents near that area of the park and this my be knotts only chance at an rmc because 1 space and 2 cedar fair said they would never change ghost town and most likey ghost rider witch makes cedear fair not rmc it. The only cons would be low capacity coaster and wonder woman at sfmm

Could ValleyFair get Flight deck, and Patriot to Worlds of Fun as the Rumored looping coaster, would need a Rethemeing though. If they can save Gold Striker then it probably going to Carowinds, Railblazer to King's Dominion Michigan Adventure would get Woodstock express and the Craby coaster to Canada Wonderland.

Fantasy world prediction: Railblazer goes to Wild Waves where it replaces Wild Thing (no huge loss, there seems to be plenty of Arrow Looping Corkscrews to go around) and gives the park a halfway decent attraction. Reality prediction: Everything but Railblazer, Psycho Mouse and the kiddie coasters get scrapped, Railblazer goes to some park that doesn't really need it (Kings Island or Knott's come to mind) and the kiddie coasters all end up at random small parks. Completely off-the-wall prediction: Some tech company with too much money builds some ridiculous corporate campus on the former CGA site and decides to keep Gold Striker and some flat rides.

Oh man if Railblazer becomes the Volcano replacement it will trigger so many enthusiasts lol

I really think Railblazer should go to Knotts. Put it in the ghost town section and it’s so compact it could work perfectly

I think flight deck will go to Valleyfair, as remember, that just before they made this announcement, Cedar Point execs and B&M execs were seen walking around Valleyair...

I didnt hear that Cedar Fair will no longer operate Gilroy Gardens. Good to know

It's really sad CGA is closing, especially since I was planning on going there next year

Flight Deck is interesting. It is really good, I wonder if it would be worth it to have B&M fabricate new track from Lift hill to brake run? Patriot could be a great ride in a smaller park. My understanding is Arrow coasters are welded so I don't think Demon will get relocated but I could see it be used for parts. G-Striker is so good I can't see it being scrapped. I'm sure they'll find a way to get it relocated even though it's a pain. Another thing to look at is if other parks show interest in buying some of the coasters. While everyone craps on Grizzly it is really popular and doesn't ride bad. I still think it'll get scrapped but wouldn't be shocked if it ended up somewhere that needed a good family woodie.

maybe it'll be like Jazzland where some rides and coasters are moved while the others are left to be gone with the park

My best guesses... Demon: Scrapped for parts to keep other Arrows in the chain alive. I can't see any way this one survives. Flight Deck: Most likely scrapped. While technically possible to relocate, the age of the ride and the cost of modifying it for flat terrain likely make doing so impractical from a financial standpoint. Gold Striker: As much as I hate to say it, I don't see it as very likely the structure of this ride gets saved. Instead, I think it's much more likely Cedar Fair will reuse the trains and mechanical components on a new GCI at a different park (Carowinds or Cedar Point). Grizzly: Another that I'm absolutely certain is a goner. It's not worth the cost of relocation. Lucy's Crabbie Cabbies: I could maybe see two or three Cedar Fair parks that could benefit from this, but I see that option as unlikely. Instead, I expect it to go up on the used ride market and be sold to a FEC or small park. Patriot: Unlike Flight Deck, I think this one may live on elsewhere as it's on mostly flat terrain and is probably in better shape despite being two years older. I don't think Cedar Fair is likely to keep it (though they could gift it to Michigan's Adventure), but despite its size it'd make a pretty sweet addition to a smaller park looking for a signature coaster. Psycho Mouse: I'm pretty skeptical of the Cedar Point relocation rumor, but I'm not skeptical about this surviving. Like the previous couple, this seems like a prime candidate for the used rides market. RailBlazer: If there is one coaster I'm very confident Cedar Fair will keep, it's this one. I could see it pop up at any of the smaller Cedar Fair parks (Dorney Park, Michigan's Adventure, Valleyfair, or Worlds of Fun), but given the maximum capacity is about what most major coasters can do with one train operations, it would be foolhardy to put it anywhere bigger. Woodstock Express: This is the hardest one to call, as it came to the park used and could easily be shipped off to a third home. However, given the age of the ride and the terrain aspects of it, I'm more inclined to say it gets scrapped.

You basically said my predictions minus demon and grizzly moving

The biggest tragedy in all of this would be a great rollercoaster in Gold Rush being scrapped. Like you said, the old B&Ms are likely at the end of their service life anyway. I would be shocked if they are unable to move Railblazer, and I see it going to a smaller park. Not WOF, because they are getting a new coaster in 2023 (Finally!). So maybe Valleyfair?