The Ferrari Downfall You've Forgotten About

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Жыл бұрын

It goes without saying that Ferrari have been having a bit of a hard time as of late. It has been 15 years since the longest running and most successful team in Formula 1 history have won the Constructors’ Championship, and 16 years since they have won the Drivers' Championship. In that time, they have remained consistently competitive, and have won lots of races, but have only had brief periods of dominance and have never been able to sustain Championship challenges against Red Bull and Mercedes, despite having had top-tier driver line-ups for near-on 30 years now. 2017 onwards has been especially sordid, as three times they have taken early leads in the standings, only for their campaigns to collapse under them, partly due to reliability and driver error, but more often than not because of substandard race strategies. In 2023, things are really not looking good, as they are making all of the same strategy errors as in 2022, but the car is no longer anywhere near fast enough to challenge for race wins. Their target this year was 1st in the Constructors’ Championship, and they’re currently looking at 4th. As bad as things are, however, they could be so much worse; and indeed, they have been. Time to rewind the clock 50 years.
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@emdotrod Жыл бұрын

This Ferrari downfall is so bad it made Jody Schekter retired from F1 racing altogether.

@whyareyoureadingmynickname8158 Жыл бұрын

Poor guy, I completely understand him.

@mander_at Жыл бұрын

He himself said, he had achieved everything he wanten in F1. He had his Championship. And when Ferrari had their terrible year he simply went off to othe businesses he was interested in.

@AndyFromBeaverton Жыл бұрын

I still have a poster of Schecter getting a bit airborne in the number 1 car. Unfortunately, my poster of Gilles fell completely apart.

@johnjones928 Жыл бұрын

Even before he went to Ferrari Scheckter said his career goal was to win the championship, defend it the year after and retire.

@SB3_01 Жыл бұрын

Vettel would've retired in 2020 if he hadnt got the Aston Martin contract.

@whyareyoureadingmynickname8158 Жыл бұрын

When I was a kid, my uncle gave me his old sticker album centered around 1980 season upon finding out that I love F1. Album included pictures of all drivers, teams, tracks and race results, as well as names of all champions and race winners (minus Indy 500 winners). Even back as a kid, I found Ferrari's results shocking, given that they were champions previous year. Plus, I first saw it in time when Schumacher and Ferrari were ruling F1, so idea that Ferrari could be bad was hard for me to grasp (I really was a naive fool that knew nothing back then). That album was what got me into F1's history and I still keep it in my room to this day. Great video, thumbs up. 👍

@roja27 Жыл бұрын

I had the same a panini album from 1981 wish I still had it 😀

@Turbo.RF4 Жыл бұрын

I completely understand being naive about "How can ferrari be THIS bad?" not only because of how mercedes is performing currently, but also, their the single LONGEST running team alive even way back in the 60's. You'd expect them to have so much experience their going to always find a solution on problems, but no. Its the opposite.

@jacobmassey3897 Жыл бұрын

People who think the 2014 cat was the worst they'd ever built need to take a look at their 1973 and 1980 campaigns 😂

@kubenjbcz Жыл бұрын

Great video as always. Just wanted to point out a pretty important detail about the Lauda retirement at Fuji (given that the story is true). In a brilliant Beyond the Grid podcast episode, Daniele Audetto, Ferrari team manager in 1976 said that the decision to withdraw from the race was made before the start. Bernie Ecclestone convinced Niki, James Hunt and Emerson Fittipaldi to agree to legally start the race, afraid that refusing to do so would lose f1 a ton of money. And he said that they can withdraw after a couple of laps which Hunt admittedely agreed to. James was then pressed by Teddy Mayer and Alastair Caldwell that he has to finish the race, so he decided that he will finish it and Lauda didn't know that. The story is also presented in Maurice Hamilton's biography of Niki Lauda. It was omitted in the Rush movie and i think that's the reason not many people know about it.

@Cnimail Жыл бұрын

Villeneuve's crash at Argentina was caused by a suspension failure, if you watch closely you can see the wheel turn the opposite way to the direction the car was going, and his struggles at the first half of 1978 was caused by him being unfamiliar with the Michelin radial tyres, which regularly caused problems for him. Call me a fanboy all you want.

@fidan2fast Жыл бұрын

Ferraris downfall began when they became a huge company, and let business meddle with their racing... They started caring more about image and company politics and and less about winning... The only times the team have been trully successful after the 60s, was with Lauda and Schumacher, when the participants in the racing team took matter in their own hands

@ivaneurope Жыл бұрын

Ferrari's Le Mans win was more of an AF Corse (one of the longest associated with the "prancing horse" teams) win than a Ferrari one. It just shows you how inept Ferrari is at management - a far cry from the Todt-Brawn-Schumacher days, when it was like a well oiled machine. I personally blame Luca di Montezemolo for the state Ferrari is in now

@LathropLdST Жыл бұрын

And John Elkann, who is more concerned about other brands (cough Aprilia cough) than anything else. Fast bucks are all that counts. The scions of the no-longer-Agnelli- surname family are apathetic at best and negligent at worst.

@marklittle8805 Жыл бұрын

@@LathropLdSTwhat they miss is the brand needs racing success to stand apart.

@wordsshackles441 Жыл бұрын

Yes and no. Lemans is not F1. Clearly Ferrari is running a successful program with the this impressive 499p. AF corse are of course a key component of the program, but your comment is skewed.

@robertknight5429 Жыл бұрын

Baf management is an ancient Ferrari tradition. It makes more sense if yr Italian I think.

@dlewis9760 Жыл бұрын

BoP against Toyota also had a impact.

@sashingopaul3111 Жыл бұрын

The crazy part about this is how they almost won the title 2 years later (and still took 2 constructors titles in 1982 & 1983).

@rickjohnson2859 Жыл бұрын

Drivers Championship: 75,77,79. Constructors Championship: 75,76,77,79,82,83. That's good 8 year run.

@Jorge.Painkiller Жыл бұрын

They won in 1982, but at what cost? (Villeneuve and Pironi)

@thethirdman225 Ай бұрын

@@Jorge.Painkiller That was fairly typical of the time, unfortunately. It just all happened at Ferrari that year but it could easily have happened somewhere else. It was not the result of cutting corners. When Dr Harvey Postlethwaite moved to Ferrari in 1981, he knew that carbon fibre was the solution to their problems. He also knew they weren’t ready for it so a bonded aluminium-Nomex honeycomb chassis was built by Hexel in Belgium. The basic chassis was quite good and the mid-season upgrade to a pull rod front end turned it into an absolute weapon. A carbon chassis - which, from memory, only McLaren, ATS, Alfa Romeo and Lotus* had - would likely have made Pironi’s accident less severe and Villeneuve’s potentially survivable. Of all the measures taken to improve safety, it is ironic that carbon fibre, which was introduced for different reasons, has done more to save lives than any other factor. Ferrari crushed it in 1982. They ended the season having run only one car at six races and not starting at all at two of them, out of a total of 16 races. They also ended the season with a totally different driver lineup from what they started with. *Lotus used bonded panels of carbon, while the others used unitary construction, baked in an autoclave.

@Jorge.Painkiller Ай бұрын

@@thethirdman225 I wanna add that I believe that Pironi would've defeated Villeneuve had they not had their respective accidents. Pironi was as fast as Villeneuve, but was more consistent

@thethirdman225 Ай бұрын

@@Jorge.Painkiller He also had a longer term view and was a more rounded driver. Villeneuve was trying to be the fastest guy out there and it’s my belief that his status had made him lazy, a situation Ferrari had done nothing to prevent. Villeneuve needed what Pironi had in his first two years: Ken Tyrrell. Without proper mentoring, he could never be World Champion.

@de-fault_de-fault Жыл бұрын

Ferrari was more or less irrelevant in my childhood, aside from Prost challenging for the championship in 1990. I remember it being a huge achievement when Berger put Ferrari back on the top step of a podium with his win at Hockenheim '94 after 4+ years without even a race win. And then I was in high school by the time Schumacher netted them a driver's championship. So I definitely haven't forgotten about Ferrari's struggles that started in the early '80s...it was the world I was born into and the first order of things in F1 that I encountered.

@1greenMitsi Жыл бұрын

yeah ferrari were comically sht in the beginning of the 90s. Seemed like every every race highlight was Alesi's engine blowing up

@XenoghostTV 7 ай бұрын

Ferrari finished second, third and second in 88, 89 and 90, respectively. How was it "irrelevant"?

@st.gallenthegreat4027 Жыл бұрын

At least that drop in performance was understandable - Ferrari didn't put much effort into the 1980 car, focusing on ground effect implementation and turbo engine development.

@dylansmit3883 Жыл бұрын

Fun fact: the car shown around 13:10 is not the 126CK, but the experimental 126CX. It had a belt-driven 'Comprex' pressure wave supercharger which used the exhaust pulses to compress the intake air. Villleneuve and new teammate Didier Pironi loved the instant throttle response of the system, but the mixing of exhaust gases and intake air in the supercharger, high running temperatures and less peak power made Ferrari go with the twin KKK turbo version. A planned twin Comprex design was never built and the car never raced in anger.

@gillespendragon Жыл бұрын

Fantastic in two different videos tonight I watched the same Villeneuve overtake in Austria, taken away too soon salut Gilles

@geeteshjoshi9828 Жыл бұрын

Vettel making an error in 2018 German GP was heartbreaking 💔

@bumblebity2902 9 ай бұрын

partly team error and lost front wing endplate

@bojack99 Жыл бұрын

If it wasn't for schumacher tobt and brawn and all those guys... ferrari would still be in this drought

@richardsharpe3622 Жыл бұрын

I've seen the comparison made made before, but I still think that Leclarc and Villeneuve share many similarities and specifically raw pace even if a little error prone. Its also interesting that they raced in both competative and uncompetitive Ferrari's. Great video.

@orionexplorer Жыл бұрын

I remember those days for Ferrari. I was at the Long Beach Grand Prix in 1979 and would continue through 1983. For some reason Ferrari just cannot keep good people in the right positions. I'm really not a Ferrari fan but was glad the #51 Ferrari win the 24 Hours of Le Mans. I have been sick of watching Toyota win every year with no competition. I found it refreshing to see Ferrari on pole and Toyota in the second row.

@dlewis9760 Жыл бұрын

Add another a 100 pounds of weight and they'd have started further back.

@antothemanto77 Жыл бұрын

Jody deserves recognition!!

@maxbellan4955 Жыл бұрын

W Peter Vid. We need more of this videos, especially going in depth with all the engineering. Awesome

@AndyFromBeaverton Жыл бұрын

12:30 There were 3 more championship races in 1980 than 1969. That makes their results even worse.

@thethirdman225 Жыл бұрын

8:30 This is something of an internet myth. Team orders did not exist then the way they do today so there is always a certain amount of anachronism in this kind of comment. Secondly - and absolutely everyone forgets this - Ferrari himself would have liked nothing better than to have two Ferraris dicing at the front of the field at Monza, despite the risks. These were the sorts of games he played, despite the obvious risk. He played his drivers off against each other and this is one of the reasons why they did not win more championships. The curse continues to this day. Finally, there is the false assumption that Villeneuve could have just driven past Scheckter and cruised to a win and championship victory. This is arguably the silliest of all propositions because it assumes that Scheckter could have done nothing about it, presumably because of Villeneuve’s blinding speed. But it ignores the fact that we’re talking about Jody Scheckter here, who was far from slow and every bit the competitor Villeneuve was. He was never going to surrender without a fight. I think most of this comes from Nigel Roebuck’s writings which are unmistakably partisan because he and Villeneuve were close friends. Quite a lot of Roebuck’s stories about Villeneuve have since been discounted by more independent writers who have balanced their work with other reliable sources of information. This became the pony to which the conspiracy theorists hitched their wagons to after the 1982 San Marino race.

@johnjones928 Жыл бұрын

Dijon (like Austria) were high altitude track that suited Renault's turbo.

@akis_mikon00 Жыл бұрын

Scuderia pain when and before it was cool 😂 Amazing work once again Peter!

@townicus5908 Жыл бұрын

I wasn't aware of their 1980 downfall so this is all new information for me. A top quality video as always :)

@JacobStevens13 Жыл бұрын

You should have more subs. Always quality

@McLarenMercedes Жыл бұрын

The signs were there already in the second half of 1979. The Ferrari documentary calls the 312T5 of 1980 "A boxer too far." Real shame Scheckter was lambasted and made the scapegoat, he probably had 5-6 good years left in him.

@dlewis9760 Жыл бұрын

Maybe LeClerc..... at the end. Or, wrangler a way off of the team.

@OnionChoppingNinja 8 ай бұрын

I haven't forgotten. As a matter of fact whenever I hear Tifosi complain about the " downfall" of Ferrari since 2007 I remind them there wasn't a downfall at all. Rather the good years with Schumi and Kimi were a fluke; an exception to the rule. Ferrari been mediocre in the 20 years prior to Schumi's first championship with them in 2000, and have been since Kimi got his championship with them in 2007.

@bbbl67 Жыл бұрын

Villeneuve's first and only chance of winning the championship happened on the year that Ferrari entered its slump.

@thethirdman225 Жыл бұрын

This was basically pretty good but in technical terms, it leaves almost half the chassis story out. The 312T3 was the last chassis to feature side tanks before the semi ground effect T4. What is not commonly realised is that the chassis was basically the same but with the side tanks sawn off and the new tank behind the driver. The effect on chassis rigidity was enormous. The 1970s triangular cross sections were ver rigid and masked the relatively minor inadequacies of a space frame chassis in comparison with a monocoque. By late 1979 the spaceframe was history. They had to beef it up considerably to make it more rigid but it was nowhere near as stiff as the Williams, despite being considerably heavier. Yet this was basically the same chassis they persisted with until the end of 1981. The Ferrari by that stage might have been a full ground effect car but it produced a fraction of the downforce of the rest of the field. That meant it could barely get enough heat into the tyres. This wasn’t as much of a problem at Monaco but at circuits like Silverstone it was a major problem. It didn’t change until the 126C2 which was Ferrari’s first monocoque.

@876yuugt Жыл бұрын

Another fantastic video. Thank you.

@MrLolx2u Жыл бұрын

The Ferrari car now is awesome and it's supposed to chase the Red Bulls better than what Mercedes was doing but the strategy of the Scuderia Ferrari F1 team were soo tragic that it made the Chinese Civil War looked like a child's play. The strategists definitely need to get their heads out of donkey's asses and better yet, get the teams handling the Le Mans win over to F1 and either replace the entire team or teach the F1 team on how to properly formulate plans and pit stops.

@peterbellwood5412 Жыл бұрын

Thank you very much . That was brilliant, and your narration absolutely perfect . It really makes a difference . I had to do a double-take . I know I've got problems with my eyes, but I genuinely thought your name was Peter Brock (either the Corvette and BRE PB or the Australian racer). I'd got all these comments and questions for you. So , Peter BrOOK do you like tea or coffee ?

@PeterBrookF1 Жыл бұрын

Well thank you! I've always been a tea guy; if I as much as sniff caffeine I won't sleep for days!

@peterbellwood5412 Жыл бұрын

@@PeterBrookF1 Thank you. Apart from when I catch a cold, my sniffing days are long past 😱🤯. Seriously though. I hope it didn't sound too creepy, but I meant what I said about your fine voice. As you probably know, it can make or break an interesting video if the narrator is, how can I say, 'not so eloquent'? I'm not talking about regional accents. Just the ones that sound like they simply aren't bothered. So I thoroughly enjoyed this. Best I sub, sir. Kind regards. Pete

@luuanlive Жыл бұрын

Man those Ferraris from the early 80s looked a mess, as if the team didn’t know what they where doing designing the car

@evonne_o Жыл бұрын

I think that Ferrari has some form of curse going on right now...

@sebarueda1 6 күн бұрын

In 1978 Reutemann won 4 races.

@GameDude41 11 ай бұрын

2:31 Miss the crazy, over the top airboxes of 75, makes em look like legonaries or centurions.

@66PHILB 10 ай бұрын

I'm mildly obsessed by the ground effect era and the 1980 season in particular so I'm very familiar with Ferrari's '80 season. Not only was the the T5 lacking in downforce, the Flat 12 was at the end of its development potential so became unreliable. Perhaps the most overlooked aspect of their season was their Michelin tyres. Renault had excellent downforce so needed a relatively hard tyre. Ferrari couldn't generate heat so well so ended up qualifying badly and wearing their Michelins in quick order in most races. Jody was all about the World Championship so after he'd won it, he was happy go get out if F1 alive and in one piece. Perhaps the biggest effect of Ferrari's terrible 1980 was Jody's and Gilles' influence in getting sliding skirts banned. Their experience of a skirted car was so bad they made a lot of noise which suited both Ferrari and FISA.

@stroervor Жыл бұрын

Who would it guess that the next Ferrari champion, after Kimi, will be Antonio Giovinazzi

@McLarenMercedes Жыл бұрын

He's got to win the WEC title first to be called a champion.

@Parker-- Жыл бұрын

To be fair, in 2019 they wouldn't have been competitive if they hadn't been cheating. They didn't deserve to be competitive that year.

@t-mar9275 Жыл бұрын

Arguably, Braham's decline between the 1967 and 1968 seasons was worse than Ferrari's decline between 1979 and 1980. Initially, it appears that Ferrari had a greater fall from grace but that is because of changes in the scoring systems. Prior to 1979, only the best placed car from each manufacturer scored points and even then, each race wasn't counted. If we apply the 1979-1980 constructors rules and average the points on a per race basis (because the number of races contested in each of the four seasons was different), the Braham team scored 9.00 points per race in 1967 (when they won the Drivers and Constructors Championship) but only 0.83 points per race in 1968. In comparison, Ferrari scored 7.53 point per race in 1979 and 0.57 points per race in 1980. Braham's drop of 8.17 points per race is greater than the 6.96 points per race drop of Ferrari.

@manoliswec5674 Жыл бұрын

one bad car can ruin a year as we so in 2005 ferrari. But from 2019 until today we havent seen any signs of hope to be a top tier team, while in 82 they bounce back and should have won easily

@asparceproton1 Жыл бұрын

Scotland has been impressive lately, but my god was that poor defending from Norway. If they can get their defense half as good as their offense they should have quite the formidable team.

@shizno3381 6 ай бұрын

Vid request: Do every ferrari F! car ranked please

@amgm1996 Жыл бұрын

13:50 that was a little heartbreaking ngl

@quintuscrinis8032 9 ай бұрын

Heartbreaking sure, but not at all surprising when you consider he was partnered with Gilea Villeneuve and had such a disastrous title defence.

@mslo7312 Жыл бұрын

Atleast Ferrari is doing really good in sportscar racing

@ivaneurope Жыл бұрын

That's mostly down to the experience AF Corse has in sportscar and endurance racing, rather than anything to do with Ferrari proper. And the 499P Hypercar is not 100% Ferrari either - Dallara has some input as well.

@LathropLdST Жыл бұрын

@@ivaneurope and still it gave Giovinazzi (of all people!) some bragging rights. Out of the AR lineup 3 years ago, three got triple crown results. Guess who is still to grab any...

@alandenson6649 Жыл бұрын

It all came down to their unwillingness to fully commit to a monocoque.

@DuaneBlack68 8 күн бұрын

I thought the T6 was a fake car as well?

@esimahere Жыл бұрын

These are 1950 drivers points

@theant9821 Жыл бұрын

Saying the 312T is the most successful car of all time is absurd, your grouping several cars together as one car. the 2 contenders for most successful car are McLaren MP4/2 (22 race victories, 3 Drivers Championships, 2 Constructors Championships) Lotus 72 (20 race Victories, 3 Constructors Championships, 2 Drivers Championships) the 312T didn't even start 20 Races let alone win that many. Before it was replaced with the 312T2. Between the 312t and 312T5 the only bits that are relatively compatible are the engine and gearbox, its like grouping every Cosworth DFV engine car together as one car, completely ridiculous

@flabarre9776 Жыл бұрын

I've never forgotten that downfall...

@johnyossarian1135 Жыл бұрын

Ferrari... Ferrari never changes

@derekcrymble9085 Жыл бұрын

GLAFFS .... HEY ! .... GLAFFS AND STEERING WHEEL .... TELL HIM TO GIVE THEM TO ME ....GLAFFS AND STEERING WHEEL !!

@johnfarrelly4753 Жыл бұрын

When the name no longer was the same as the ego of a man, it just became another corporation with a board of directors looking for ways to cut costs.

@adamb2619 Жыл бұрын

Its sad nowadays. Ferrari literally have everything possible, plus extra money for showing up, to just smash everyone.

@Tj930 Жыл бұрын

Come on. Kimi was a fluke. Nando self-sabotage, self-destruct, eye-for-an-eye-makes-the-whole-world blind, genius tactics saw to that fake result... True "last time" was The Michael

@McLarenMercedes Жыл бұрын

1. It was Lewis Hamilton who led the point standings almost the entire 2007 season - and the includes being first in points heading to the Brazilian GP. Alonso's shenanigans still couldn't win him a title - and he hasn't since. 2. Hamilton's/McLaren's blunder of keeping him out with worn tires at the Chinese GP made him spin out in the pit entry and that combined with the rookie error of pressing the pit-speed limiter doomed Hamilton's rookie title. What part did Alonso have in this? 3. Kimi might have been a fluke... but... considering mechanical errors in 5 races he was *leading* robbed him of both the 2003 and 2005 titles this stroke of luck was *well deserved* When one has had some serious bad luck before it evens out in the end... Btw, Kimi still won 6 races, and Hamilton and Alonso 4 each. The fact remains Kimi was the only rookie season Ferrari champion aside from Fangio and Scheckter.

@JCCyC 10 ай бұрын

The Ferrari Downfall You've Forgotten About (unless you're more than 50 years old)

@esimahere Жыл бұрын

1. Verstappen 60 2 . Perez 33 3. Alonso 27 4. Hamilton 23 5. Russel 12 6. Sainz 11 7. Leclerc 7 8. Ocon 4 9. Stroll 3 10. Zhou 1

@jefftaylor1186 Жыл бұрын

You mean 1980-2000? That drought? Yeah no, I remember.

@Jusuff Жыл бұрын

Ferrari won constructors titles in 1982 and 1983 though

@S2KEVIN Жыл бұрын

@@Jusuff I don't think anybody cares about the WCC..

@sekhyhybrid6701 Жыл бұрын

@@Jusuff And 1999 which is often forgotten. 1999 should have been WDC wasn’t it for Schumacher breaking his leg in Silverstone.

@McLarenMercedes Жыл бұрын

@@sekhyhybrid6701 If, if, if. Would Schumacher won the 1994 and 1995 titles without Senna's death at Imola?

@michelvondenhoff9673 Жыл бұрын

Ferrari hires people and then prevent them doing their job.

@tiagofernandes8389 10 ай бұрын

Scuderia Ferrari is just the most successful f1 constructor of all time. Ferrari /Leclerc f1 WC is just a matter of time.

@extremegrieferbible 10 ай бұрын

Lmao good luck with that.

@esimahere Жыл бұрын

10. Williams Mercedes 0 9. McLaren Mercedes 0 8. Hass Ferrari 0 7. AlphaTauri Honda RBPT 6. Alfa Romeo Ferrari 1 5. Alpine Renault 3 4. Ferrari 18 3. Aston Martin Aramco Mercedes 30 2. Mercedes 35 1. Red Bull Racing Honda RBPT 93

@hugoagogo9435 Жыл бұрын

Life ain’t easy being a Ferrari fan. But next year is definitely out year. And if not then the year after that. Since this year didn’t go to plan

@esimahere Жыл бұрын

Constructors

@vincentlussier8264 3 ай бұрын

Ferrari should just pull out of F1. They're spending all this money and they can't win anything. In fact they've threatened to pull out a few times already !

@dmor6696 9 ай бұрын

I like to see them go under (although they are improving at the time of this comment) Because the FIA chose to hide the cheating by their spoiled baby, otherwise called Ferrari Shame on you FIA

@odaktin7857 Жыл бұрын

Ferrari will never succeed in f1 again.

@Strider_JM Жыл бұрын

Stupid video title, not all of us know nothing about pre DTS F1

@MooncricketsInc 6 ай бұрын

As a ferrari fan, there were only a few seasons in the 2010s when they were competitive. The 2020s look even rougher. Could be always worse, just ask Williams...