hey Chris it's been a while since I commented on one of your videos hope you're doing well man the power plant at the beginning of the video looks like a place where Freddy Krueger would work lol😂

Under Lake Erie too. Morton has a plant in Mentor Headlands, OH.

@@erocker78 Yes sir, you are correct about the Morton salt mine. I didn`t want to get too far off topic in his video. There are several salt mines in or near the Great Lakes. There is another large salt mine under the southern part of Lake Huron that is accessed from Goderich Ontario, Canada

@@bobmackay3414 I did not know that. 👍

@@erocker78 No problem, there is an awful lot of things that I don`t know about . I try to learn something new every day . I comment on Chris`s videos to try to help him out with the algorithm.

I lived on Fort and Oakwood and I could felt the salt extraction which felt like a 4.8 magnitude earthquake.

"Look nice, live worse" that's our motto

It's sad he did that. That's only one area. River Rouge used to have military housing in it. We are if the Detroit River, and 3 miles from Fort Wayne. Military housing went into low income housing. He didn't show you guys over half the city 😞

yeah it looks awesome

If you like loud noise and bad smells, then River Rouge is for you.

It looks awful, money isn’t not everything.

@@CT-vm4gfit kinda is

Smelling Zug Island is not like going to a botanical garden.

Good information about the positive

Love that "RACIST" sound bite that he inserts in all his videos. 😆

I'd much rather have a pot / cannabis store than another abandoned building. It helps the tax base and brings an economy that was not there for decades.

Id add churches to that list. Too many churches seems to be a common theme in poor areas.

@@whatever833 ???? They are many closed churches. Your comment was a attempt at humor, right ???

River Rouge is a suburb, not apart of Detroit but yeah the community doesn’t look as bad as a lot of Detroit neighborhoods I agree

Peel back the layers and you can trace it to over regulation and overly zealous labor unions. Look a little deeper who is behind those entities and what and who they support. It goes back a very long way.

Let's see what happens to Michigan electricity grid once DTE shut's the Monroe Power Plant! DTE has probably spent nearly $2B on emissions control equipment at the Monroe plant!

River Rouge is absolutely the dirtiest city. The entire town has industrial pollutants hovering in the air above it. Im guessing that’s why you moved away despite being proud of being from there? River Rouge is closer to the marathon plant than Ecorse is. Southwest Detroit isn’t a city it’s a neighborhood. Already looked at Delray and the other neighborhood you’re thinking of is Boynton. Once again that’s only a small part of Detroit. You can live in Detroit and be far away from this area. Like, 7 Mile and Kelley. You would have an entirely different set of problems to deal with up there, but air quality wouldn’t be near as much of a concern as it is down by Zug Island and the Marathon plant.

​@ChrisHarden it is called being zoned heavy industrial! And, we're you associated with some treehugger organization that loves to destroy America's heavy industry! Did you carry an air monitor with you!

He only showed the "W"side. Not the "B"side or the back streets. This was misleading frfr

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Del Ray doesnt exist anymore because of the Gordy Howie Bridge, its a few ppl that still live there but its gone

You contradicted yourself

Lmao & Smiling....Thanks for the great video Chris

True that

Thanks!

Thank you! I’m always looking to improve on stuff 👍🏻

Can someone please explain something to me! How the hell does a steel mill disturb people's sleep. Especially if it nearly a mile or more away from them!

@@SouthernBelleACe because they are often incredibly loud and produce a deep noise that tends to carry farther, especially at night. Steel mill furnaces are typically either blast furnaces (which blast compressed hot air around the furnace cauldron in an inclosed space) or electric ark furnaces (which use a masive electric ark to produce adequate temperature to melt steel). Both methods produce incredible levels of vibration (unlike a regular open hearth furnace which would not get neatly hot enough). The blasted compressed air or massive electric arks and to a lesser extent the equipment that produces them, cause the massive iron and steel structures the furnaces are enclosed in to act as giant harmonic instruments. In fact, they need to act as such (at least to an extent) or else the buildings would be damaged from the extreme vibration. Slightly faulty ventilation or flare stacks (as was true on Zug island) can make the problem much worse then usual but even without any faulty or off equipment or structures the sound from any large steel mill is still typically intense. Because much of the noise from steel mills is largely very deep pitched (higher pitched sound is also produced but doesn't carry naerly as far) and usually oscillating (do to multiple sound waves from multiple structures) the peak sound is much louder and it can carry much farthur (especially at night) then would otherwise be the case and ear plugs are often not affective do to the deep pitch. Furthermore, infrasound (sound just below the typically audible range) is also produced in large amounts by steel mills which cannot be heard in the normal sense by most people but is felt and perceived as sound by way of an auditory hallucination (or indirectly heard one could say). This often produces a slight panic reaction in people even if they don't articulate it as such, and can increase stress levals and put people on edge without them realizing why. I could often clearly hear (mainly at night but sometimes durring the day) even the steel finishing plant several miles from my home across town untill it was shuttered earlier this year, but an integrated steel mill can be much louder still. Even though the steel plant in my suburb didn't make new steel anymore (it was once an intregrated mill) it was still a massive facility that did use two large annealing furnaces (which I believe also use electricity but only get to 1700○ to instead of much hoter like at an integrated mill) plus those used to melt tin for the hot dipping lines. Annealing furnaces are still not a normal furnace though and can still be very loud, -as can be the giant high pressure cold rollers used to treat steel coils. The noise I heard was an oscillating, quivering deep matalic drone that I could hear (and feel) frequently that often bothered me both because it was a spooky sounding noise and because I didn't know what it was and the sound seemed to come from all over and yet no where, but very vaguely from the north. It would give me chills sometimes. I only realized what it was apon asking others and the fact that the sound completely stopped at the same exact time the steel plant's furnaces shut down!

@@jKLa funny. You never hear anything like this from Gary, East Chicago, Whiting, Granite City, and Cleveland.

@@SouthernBelleACe actually the Gary and Cleveland works are quite loud and can be heard for a long ways off by some, just not as bad as Zug Island was. Most people are used to it but I have heard of people complaining about hearing the drone and clanks of the Cleveland works at night from across town and into the suburbs(!) If I could often clearly hear just the steel finishing plant several miles away at night which you won't find anything online about (the noise it made) a full integrated mill is much worse. It's just how it is in a steel town. Allegations of modified exhaust stacks and overworked blast furnaces at Zug would also explain the usually bad noise leval there if true. Plus this affected Canada after a certain point (there was some loud noise before and now but not at a similar leval) in a city with no equivalent loud noise source of it's own. Whole different ball game then old industrial cities that are used to it!

@@SouthernBelleACe btw you can actually find a video of the Gary works on KZfaq taken by drone without music, and the loud, oscillating, deep matalic hum of the furnaces is VERY noticeable even from a ways off! Its on the SamLoveTrains channel and is from last year. That type of sound can easily Cary for over 5 miles at night (much less often during the day) depending on conditions, much like a distant diesel freight train but significantly louder.

Well said.

That’s great. My grandpa worked at the marathon refinery for several decades. Don’t think he had related health issues from it either… Amazingly.

Yeah... that's what I'd like to know 😆

Fair enough

Anyone recall the conviction of Detroit mayor Kwaumee Kilpatrick!

Marathon is still running strong and provides Detroit with exceptional tax revenue. The pollution from it only affects a very small portion of Detroit’s residents. It affects all of Rover Rouge though. As long as it provides jobs it’ll probably always stay. Zug island looks like it’s on its last days of making steel so maybe that’ll turn into an environmental restoration project for the next 100 years.

@@ChrisHarden I would imagine you are right about the jobs. Still very interesting video you put out.

Kids with special needs can get transportation to school in almost all school districts throughout the U.S. It doesn't matter the parents income

I have my own theory as to why Mitt Romney wasn't for the bailout. I wonder if Obama told the Big Three this. Sure we will bail you out. But, in return, you will have to build a certain of amount electric vehicles by 2020 or so!

Justifiably critical of U.S. Steel, Zug Island, nearby Marathon refinery, and the former DTE power plant. But, virtually nothing said of Ford's enormous century old Rouge complex. Ford deserves credit for decades of cleanup efforts, new investment, and maintaining some jobs, but the property is hardly back to nature and sprouting green shoots everywhere. Any comments?

What you said makes sense. I still couldn’t eat fish in the area where the rouge empties into the Detroit River. It’s a mental block.

@@ChrisHarden I wouldn't either. I'd want to be upriver of that festering cesspool. It may be better than it once was, but I remember testing water samples from there in high school bio and we had to retest 4-5 times because the results were so shockingly bad that we thought the sample had been tainted.

​​@@ChrisHardenPeople literally fish at Jefferson and Dearborn st. behind zug island right before you head into Rouge,I've never understood it...🤷🏻‍♂🤦🏻‍♂

I agree to an extent. What does it for me is the pollution. The more we learn about all of that, the more people will move away as they value their health. That outweighs the potential sentimental value there is in the community IMO.

Exactly how I feel lol

One day

détroit = strait / 3 is spelled "trois" , Detroit was actually part of Quebec and was its 3rd largest city after Montreal and Quebec City

He knows that. He makes false French translation jokes in every other vid. Good to clear that up for the comment section on-lookers though 👍🏻

how do the roads get fixed?

@dianayount2122 recently on fox they explained why ohio is superior to us. I suggest you do your own homework .

That's going through Detroit

Against who?

It’s a thought provoking question isn’t it? I’m fine with it if they’re far away from residential areas, but in the case of River Rouge the residents have a much shorter life expectancy because of the air quality. I also don’t want to drink water that’s downstream from an area like this, or eat fish out of water next to an area like this. The auto plants don’t pollute near as much as they used to so that can be close to residential areas but places like the marathon refinery and Zug island shouldn’t be in the backyard of anyone’s home.

@@ChrisHarden When these neighborhoods in older so called rust belt areas were first established there were no suburbs, nor the transportation means to “commute”. Ten miles away when there were only wagon trails was an all day deal. That’s why the earliest cars from that era had wagon style wheels. In the older Detroit working class neighborhoods, people walked to the nearby factories. And people came from mostly rural areas for the jobs they provided. Obviously, in those times environmental requirements were non existent but today we’ve learned from the early mistakes and requirements are much more stringent. No one wants pollution. You infer, that maybe the solution is to build those types of plants in less populated areas. However, the environmental impacts are felt in other ways such as the development of forested, or farmland and the resulting need for infrastructure, which then brings more roads, demands for water, etc. and the resulting residential development to house the needed workers who invariably will move there. That is the story of southeast Michigan, (and suburban sprawl nearly everywhere). I’d like to see you do a story on the Ford/Korean battery plant development in rural Kentucky, on what was formerly forested land and farmed land. I believe they bought 1500 acres. Or, the Chinese owned Groton battery plant that’s going in against resident’s wishes in rural northern Michigan. Thank for your content. I wish you continued success.

Ecorse is coming

@@ChrisHarden when you do ecorse drive down 17th street across from bunch by the old football field I stay on 17th and wanna b in your video please!!😁😁😁