Gilgamesh is in F tier, but he's a special case because his F stands for Friend, not Failure. Maybe a little bit failure.

boes: i’m burnt out of civ also boes: THIRD TIERLIST TIME WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

Boes: releases final final final 2023 tier list Firaxis: Great, now let’s release some new buffs

The problem with spies is that they tend to be either a catch-up mechanic or a defense from enemy spies. If you're good at the game, you don't need them at all to get ahead, and then you're only using them to stave off the AI from neutralizing Pingala in your capital for the 4th time. There needs to be more attention paid to spying mechanics in Civ 7.

English Eleanor of Acquitaine in C?!? Oh Boe. I think we need to come back over and teach you American's how to love again XD In all seriousness so much work on this list, fantastic effort! All the best!

I really hope Civ 7 gets delayed and an emergency leader pack comes out that is just 5 different Gilgamesh variations. Just to see you have to rank 6 versions of Sumeria. I'll gladly wait an extra year just for one KZfaq video.

Ik things must be hard but this tier list is mighty appreciated. Take care of yourself boes.

***AUGUST 29TH EDIT*** : OK WELL THEY JUST RELEASED A PATCH I'M GOING TO THROW UP. They buffed Wu, Varang Harald, Abe and Caesar. Tbh nothing really changes except maybe Abe and Wu. The Wu buff literally puts her into C tier I think. Abe is still the same, however. --------- 2 THINGS: #1 IT'S FINALLY HERE. YES, I KNOW IT'S 4 HOURS LONG - it's because I wanted to go a little bit more in depth on the reasoning on why I put some Civs in specific tiers as opposed to others. Additionally, this is the last leader Tier List for Civ 6 - so why not go out with a bang. Enjoy, and see you in 4 hours. #2 FOR SOME REASON CHAPTERS ARENT LOADING SO HERE: 00:00:00 - INTRO 00:00:30 - PAUSE FOR INTRO TIMESTAMPS 00:00:36 - Ok, but who are you? 00:02:19 - Tier List Formula 00:05:08 - Power Creep In Civ 6 00:09:16 - Predictions 00:09:48 - EXPLAINING WHY ITS 4 HOURS LONG 00:10:27 - America: Bull Moose Teddy 00:12:32 - America: Rough Rider Teddy 00:15:13 - America: Abraham Lincoln 00:16:55 - Arabia: Saladin 00:20:11 - Arabia: Sultan Saladin 00:22:34 - Australia 00:26:05 - Aztec 00:29:05 - Babylon 00:33:59 - Byzantium: Theodora 00:38:49 - Byzantium: Basil II 00:42:17 - Brazil 00:44:18 - Canada 00:48:04 - China: Kublai Khan 00:51:18 - China: Wu Zetian 00:55:07 - China: Qin Shi Huang 00:58:45 - China: Qin (Unifier) 01:00:43 - China: Yongle 01:07:48 - Cree 01:11:18 - Egypt: Cleopatra 01:13:54 - Egypt: Ptol Cleopatra 01:17:59 - Egypt: Ramses 01:20:39 - England: Eleanor 01:24:02 - England: Victoria 01:26:13 - England: Age of Steam Victoria 01:33:30 - England: Elizabeth 01:37:29 - Ethiopia 01:40:35 - France: Black Queen Catherine 01:44:04 - France: Magnificent Catherine 01:46:19 - France: Eleanor 01:48:06 - Gaul 01:51:41 - Georgia 01:56:55 - Germany: Frederick 01:59:51 - Germany: Ludwig 02:04:44 - Gran Columbia 02:06:45 - Greece: Pericles 02:09:26 - Greece: Gorgo 02:12:09 - Hungary 02:16:53 - Inca 02:19:12 - India: Gandhi 02:23:32 - India: Chandragupta 02:25:01 - Indonesia 02:28:56 - Japan: Hojo 02:30:29 - Japan: Tokugawa 02:32:36 - Khmer 02:38:39 - Kongo: Mvemba 02:42:56 - Kongo: Ana 02:48:58 - Korea: Seondeok 02:50:43 - Korea: Sejong 02:55:54 - Macedon 02:58:58 - Mali: Mansa Musa 03:02:15 - Mali: Sundiata 03:03:30 - Maori 03:06:10 - Mapuche 03:09:30 - Maya 03:13:01 - Mongolia: Kublai Khan 03:14:36 - Mongolia: Genghis 03:16:02 - Netherlands 03:18:24 - Norway: Harald 03:21:20 - Norway: Varangian Harald 03:23:18 - Nubia 03:26:34 - Ottomans: Suleiman 03:30:31 - Ottomans: Magn Sulemain 03:32:24 - Persia: Cyrus 03:34:26 - Persia: Nader Shah 03:35:42 - Phoenicia 03:39:18 - Poland 03:41:46 - Portugal 03:44:38 - Rome: Trajan 03:46:40 - Rome: Julius 03:49:46 - Russia 03:55:27 - Scotland 03:57:54 - Scythia 03:59:57 - Spain 04:01:51 - Sumeria 04:07:22 - Sweden 04:09:50 - Vietnam 04:11:53 - Zulu 04:14:23 - FINAL 04:17:00 - CHANNEL UPDATE, CIV 6 BURNOUT 04:18:24 - END OF TIER LIST

Each Civ's music playing in the background was the best. Thanks Boes!

The only thing the tier list lack is some markers on how much better some civs are once there are more of one specific biome. Like lots of sea, lots of mountains, lots of desert, lots of tundra etc. So example Norway (konge) would be +2 on tier list on water maps and -2 on land maps. While Indonesia would have +1 on water maps and -1 on land maps. Something like that I recon. There are also a few ranks I disagree slightly with, but all in all I agree on most of them. Like 95%. I haven't watch the entire video yet though, but I will do eventually.

Rough rider teddy is a prime example of a civ that peaks with gamemodes. He works so well with owls and barb clans. In a normal game on a continents map with 9 city states, he's definitely c tier.

Really appreciate you making this video given how things have been lately for you. Looking forward to watching ❤

Gilgamesh is so weird to me because my better question than why he's so underpowered is why he's a leader in the first place, for as much as we know he might not have even existed as a real person and feels so out of place he would make a better hero in heroes and legends frankly

One huge problem with Sultan Arabia in deity is that flanking and support bonuses don’t work on cities or ranged attacks. AI Melee/Calvary units are dumb as hell and not really a threat. Cities and ranged units inside them are what threaten you. Sultan Arabia does nothing against either of those threats.

It's important to realize that a couple of settings can completely change a civ's placement. e.g., heavy rainfall or arboreal makes Brazil much better. Or, with the set of rules my friends and I use where we heavily limit desert, Mali actually becomes a lot better since the worst part of Mali is the desert start bias. I still strongly disagree with you about Mathias's placement (I think that his 50% river district bonus is good enough by itself to land him in B), but still, this was great, thanks for putting in the effort to make this!

The much awaited tier list! You did it Boes! Thanks for the content and looking forward to where your channel goes next!

Glad to see my man Poundmaker at least in B tier. I think a lot of people underestimate him in single player but not only is he incredibly fun, but also quite effective. His versatility can definitely be seen as a downside as he doesn’t have one super strong win condition, but it allows you to sim city a bit and still be very strong. Also if you happen to snag pyramids the game is already over.

I've only recently gotten civ 6 as my first civ game and have thoroughly enjoyed the game and your content.

I enjoy your tiers because it helps me play with leaders I normally wouldn’t consider! Ofc, I can only play on emperor 😅 love your vids brother!

As an extremely new Civ player, I'm very grateful for content like this. Considering the complexity and depth in the game, I figured stuff like this certainly existed but i stayed away for a little bit so i could try to teach myself the basics. I'm still not ready for Deity, I'm not even ready for lower difficulties but I'm enjoying the learning experience. I haven't finished the video thus far, but i just wanted to make a point to state my appreciation for such informative content. After this, I'm going to look up something that breaks down the different stages in the game and city planning and how to balance what you need to focus on for your wincon and what is required to simply progress forward. I find myself getting rather overwhelmed with what to do and end up losing my focus once i get past a certain point. If anyone has any video suggestions, i would greatly appreciate it. Anyways, thank you again for the awesome content

1:13:34 Would add here that while OG Cleoptra is only so-so in Single player she is excellent as support civ in Multiplayer. If coordinated properly her ability to buff and bankroll her allies is one of the best in the game right up there with Gilgabro.

I'm surprised spies don't have some abiliity "steal strategic resources" where you target the Encampments. Seems like such a no-brainer to me. I've watched this tier list several times through now (listened while working) and I've learnt so much from it. Your rankings are bang-on accurate as far as I can tell.

Lijia with faith is weird. you do not accumulate faith until the turn after you start it up. When you stop the project, like you said, it still gives you the faith because it is kind of catching up from the first turn you are on the project.

I know you’re getting out of the CIV game but I’ve got JUST ONE MORE tier idea: CPU guided CIVS. Which Deity AI civs always seem to do well? Who are doormats?

Montezuma has a very good combat offensive strength bonus its 3 or 4 early game but as soon as you get to other continent by settle or conquest it ger completely crazy

Appreciate the time it took to make this list! I haven't had the time to properly play every civ yet but I have played almost all of them at least once. My favorites and the ones I go back to most often are Peter, Ludwig, Tokugawa and Bull Moose Teddy.

Firaxis absolutely trolling with buffs out of nowhere

Putting Gaul and Georgia on the same tier is despicable

I'm an admitted Gilgamesh enjoyer, so I'm a bit biased, but there are a couple of minor things I think you're overlooking: 1) the war carts function like uber scouts. You can use them to scout the map quickly and they don't die instantly because a barb looked at them funny like scouts do. 2) if you spam ziggurats, you can actually do well with early science. Is that enough to bump him out of F tier? I don't know. All I know is I enjoy playing as him and games are about fun so I"m happy, lol.

Yess another tierlist love these videos

Love you boes!!! Really wanna see what kind of content you're preparing for us

It’s insane to put Mansa in D. If you worry that he could not found a religion, why are you so sure that Tamar can get Papal Primacy? More importantly, religion is not a must to Mail, faith is.

4 hour deep dive, there it is, well done, that is a great finisher! I find the "no Ship of the Line?" bit really relatable, especially because Frigates are excellent units to begin with and they were in Civ V, in which they were terrifying. I know you wanna give Civ a break, but if you ever do want to scratch that itch, I would recommend the 'Steel and Thunder unit expansion' mod. It gives all civs at least one additional unique unit. China gets Chu ko nus, India gets Sepoys, Babylon their Bowman,... and England gets the Longbowman and Ship of the Line. Tried it on a classic Vicky game and it was very satisfying. And oh: enable battle animations for the SotL, you won't be disappointed

Thank you, thank you, thank you. Looking forward to your new stuff!

You should try vampires with Dido. When you settle a new city, you can make it your capital and then send all the vampire castle yields to the new city. Just switch it to the next city as soon as it's founded.

Boes: I’m taking a break from CIV, I’m burnt out. Also Boes: Yeah I’m doing Qin all wonders build again, but H A R D E R In all seriousness, glad that you’re taking care of yourself

Thank you for the content Boes, it couldn't have been an easy video to make, and I totally get why someone would get somewhat tired of any game, considering the passion and time you put into it! I really enjoy videos you put up, and I wish you a success in all your future goals! Edit: After watching the whole video I have two thoughts. 1) I want more 2) Those power creeps

My favorite thing about Ethiopia is that it taught me something new. Practically with all the other civ and leader abilities I understood the reference for them. I had no idea there are solid monolithic churches excavated out of stone, similar to some things I've seen in Jordan, Turkey, and Egypt. They are amazing and beautiful.

Amazing job bro. Thank you so much.

Wonderful chat at the start!

I feel like the reason we never got another Russian leader has to be because they realised that basically any other leader trait would make Russia's base kit insane.

I've always wanted to see a ranking like this

I was about to be offended at Gilgamesh being in F tier but I forgot I play marathon mode. You can wipe out one to two civs with war carts before you even meet anyone else, so they're not mad. Slower expansion means perpetual barb camps to plunder because the map rarely gets fully settled.

Just wanted to drop a like, looks like you put a lot of thought and work into this. I was actually hoping for a bit more description of each civ/leader because I am still very new to the game and not familiar with any of them. (So maybe listening to this on my drive to and from work was possibly also a poor idea, haha.) It was cool to see how the pros view these things. So far, I mostly pick something that sounds interesting, and THEN the AI rolls one of the civs you rank really high. And then I get crushed like a bug. So right now I am using your tier list to remove leaders from my pool of potential enemies!

Hope you consider doing the tier list by desired victory type in the future.

Really great overview and good considerations. Not exactly agreeing on all points, but in general it is a great assessment. Couldn't figure out whether you pronounce Hardråde (Hardrawde, with the Å) correctly though (as you expressly wished to do), but if you go into Crusader Kings 3, I'm sure I get the chance to provide input on Scandinavian name pronounciations 😅

I know this is the final final final final tier list but if you decided to make some tier lists for individual game modes I think people would be interested. I know I would. “civilization tier list for secret societies” for example. that would be awesome

I agree with your point about some of the new leader pass leaders being disappointing because they lack unique units. One thing that could be interesting to think about is if you could add unique units to some of those new leaders to make them better, what might they look like to work well with the leader’s bonuses?

YO BOES WAKE UP, NEW UPDATE DROPPED, WE NEED NEW TIER LIST

Final Tier List; two weeks later Civ gets a balance patch lol. Caesar seems really strong after the patch.

I wish I could give a 4 hour video more than one like to compensate you for the effort. Loved the video, thanks!

You rock boes! Glad you are making decisions that will serve your needs 👍

One of ny fave thing with Eleanor England is getting extra Iron and Coal and using those to trade the AI for great works

Problem is if you are someone like the kongo that has a non coastal near the equator bias, chances are you start right in the center of the map surrounded by enemies. Plains civ's might start somewhere very flat with no woods, desert civ's might start in a huge desert, while canada + russia actually want a lot tundra. I think its hard to beat a grasslands coastal bias, then you are not central, and have plains below you / tundra above you.

Nice. Awesome tier list and I learned a lot about the game.

This is a long ass video, and I am definitely going to watch it through. This is exactly what I was looking for 🎉 I wont get through it in one sitting, but I will watch it til the end for sure! 😊

Hi Boes. Thank you for this tier list; it’s incredibly detailed and well done, the entire four hours flew by. Really appreciate it, especially given your circumstances. I do have some disagreements here and there, but I agree for the most part. I would like to point out two of the major ones I personally disagree with. (I want to be nuanced with this but at the same time I don’t think should write an essay, so I’ll try to be brief). Before that, a bit of my background for reference; I have about 3.5k hours into this game, and I would say half of that is deity and the other half competitive multiplayer). I also did burn out with civ just before the leader pass, so I haven’t played as much since September 2022, but the past few weeks I’m kinda getting back into it. Anyways, here goes: Gaul: I understand the leader pass introduced powerhouses like Yongle and Age of Steam Vicky, but Gaul is incredibly broken, imo. His leader ability is actually insane with early game culture and for war. I personally think he is a contender for the strongest domination civ, alongside Babylon. Both can do the Man-At-Arms Rush reliably, which is an easy auto win on deity. Gaul does it a bit better thanks to his better early game (Gaesatae, and culture/land from units and mines) and his MAA are stronger due to his leader bonus, but Babylon is a bit more versatile and can snowball a bit harder. Either way, I’d put him as equal to Babylon. The major source of power creep imo is actually the Man-At-Arms(strongest unit in civ imo), and both Babylon and Gaul benefit greatly from it. I find Gaul a better domination civ than Colombia imo, so Gaul is at least high A tier if not S tier for me. Mvemba: we both think he’s bad, so it might be weird to say I disagree on this. But I honestly have no idea how he isn’t alone in F tier. Kongo under Mvemba is single handedly the worst civ, imo. I think his leader ability is the worse ability in all of civilization history. I would not only rather play a vanilla civ, I would rather play a civ that said “negative 5% to all yields”. No access to holy sites is a killer, as holy sites are arguably the strongest district. No religion is like added salt to the wound. The unique neighborhood is completely useless, imo, and is far and away the worst unique district. The unique unit is alright, and is the best bonus Kongo has imo. I find Nkisi to be irrelevant 85% of the time, because it relies on relics. Like, sure, it makes your relics better, but how can you get relics reliably? Kandy isn’t reliable cause you can’t guarantee it being in the game, tribal villages are RNG, waiting for a religion to be spread, then building your Theatre Square/useless unique district, then maybe getting the martyr promotion (or having Yerevan), and maybe getting to use Martyr is too slow and not reliable. Maybe I am underestimating the extra great people points, but Kongo deserves to be alone in F tier imo. All other civs at least have a positive bonus over a vanilla civ. Literally the best thing Mvemba has going for him is the rainforest start bias. When Nzinga was announced I thought “even if she has no ability, this is gonna be a huge buff to Kongo”, so I half expected her to just have a downside like “negative 5% to all yields” or “can’t build campuses” and she’d still be better than Mvemba. Speaking of Nzinga, I haven’t played her that much, but I’m still kinda surprised she’s almost S tier, I know an ability that basically says “+10% to all yields” (the downside usually isn’t relevant for a while) is strong, but I didn’t expect her to be ranked that highly. I do find her boring, though. A +10%, while strong, isn’t interesting imo. Final note: I also think culture is incredible, but I’m actually debating which is stronger: culture or faith. What do you think? I’m interested in what you have to say. Both are the top 2 yields in my opinion. Anyways, didn’t mean to ramble on. Thanks to anyone reading this, and am Interested in your thoughts.

Wondering if you are going to make a multiplayer tier list for us multiplayer players.

The only reason to play Sejong over Seondeok is if you want to play really wide Korea for some reason. But I have no idea how big an empire you would need to get comparable value from his leader ability.

see you again in civ7 boes, thank you for giving us so much content ;3

One more thing to add about Mapuche I noticed: if you want Chemamulls you have to be really careful where you chop woods, add mines, quarries, IZs. It made me feel like Magnus is not a good pick and ultimately like I must chop less.

Harold you have to treat faith with their unique building as the backup plan. If you just don't have that start where you can do his naval plan you go full into faith

Great stuff. Cheers.

V-Harold is best played by going Amani First{SS Game Mode can let you get her within the first couple of turns} to Levy the City States 5 or so Warriors while you Build Support/Range/Calvary Units and let the Levy Units do the work to get the Extra Yield Boost ~As for Unifier: Your Melee Units gain an Extra Heathen Charge by building the Hagia Sophia

I mostly agree with your assessment of Ramses. That being said, him with Vizier Saladin and Theology is an absolute monster because Arabia's worship buildings just become entirely free. You can also stack him really well with industrial city states even if you don't suz them because the bonus production +Iteru +policy cards like Corvée can add another 30-50% on each production point, so that extra culture is coming far more consistently than you think. He still sits in C-Tier, but I think he straddles B-tier far more than you think

"We're almost done!" Says Boes, with 1 hour left in the video

New drinking game - take a shot every time boes says power creep, but do it from the parking lot of an emergency room.

Black Queen Catherine is at least a B for domination win, even against the AI. She is all about the timing push with guard imperial and the spy games she can play can be more than just a diplomatic visiblity bonus, she can tear an opponent apart with spies breaking dams and neighbbourhoods and causing all sorts of chaos when you get a spy that is a governor hunter, that you go from city to city taking out. All the while she is pushing hard with the powerful army supported at home by the chateau's gold and culture. Going full war with Generals in the timign push is key, which requires a strong encampment/commercial or harbor/campus setup at home. Once she takes out 1 neighbbour and collects the needed experience for their army to progress the snowball and get highly promoted melee units upgraded into guards for the next push, the win is pretty much secured. Great domination civ!

4 M****FING HOURS!!! Thats what I call in depth holy moly! I guess the launch time for the next 2 weeks in planned out now lol

English Eleonor could be awesome if she got her ability gain bonus from artifacts and England had it's vanilla ability, then it could be interesting mix

Hey, great video. But I'm today years old when I realized that there are different narrations depending on what era you load the game into. I've had the game since release. I have almost 5000 hours into it and... I never noticed that until today.

Does the faith lijia provide bonus faith on the same turn it is activated? If not and the gold and food bonus does maybe thats how it evens out the extra benefit when changing production. But if it does then I guess it's just a weird quirk in how faith works like how you said. Edit: in regards for Yongle

I’m new to civ and wanted to watch a vanilla China play thru and my KZfaq is showing the most recent vid was 1 year ago. Idk what happened with KZfaq but man am I frustrated. Mostly because this game isn’t dead and idk why the only videos that are showing for me are years old but I’m glad i ended up watching this to hear that you are gonna make a china playthru

Having recently played games with Tamar, Age of Steam Vicky, and Ptolemaic I feel vindicated. Thought they were all great, surprised that so many people say Georgia is terrible. She was so good at the envoy game, up there with the Kongo lady. Just go into monarchy and get those unique walls up for more influence points too

IMO, when ranking civs, any one who has unique district should not be lower than B. If the UD is direct victory-related (campus, theatre, holy site), the civ is at least A. That’s a consistent and huge advantage. In that sense, Aztec should be S under whatever standards. 5 turns for any district is insane.

Shocked. SHOCKED. To see Mvemba hanging on to his D tier rating. Wu and Qin may not be good.... but they have holy sites. It's the funniest thing that Mvemba is the only civ that can run Feed the Word, Work Ethic, and Choral Music in the same city, and they're absolutely useless.

I don’t know if anyone has said this already, but age of empire victorias ‘s free naval units aren’t necessarily melee. I was playing a game with her a few weeks ago and when I unlocked sea dogs building the dockyards started giving me those. I’m not sure if it also gives naval ranged but they can definitely also give naval raider units

Mbenza's neighbourhood can be built, because they do not remove a jungle beneath, so you use them to increase campus adjecency to +4 for rationalism card (2 Mbanzas on 2 jungle tiles adjecent to campus give both adjecency bonus, from jungle and from districts). Kongo is one of the civs to benefit from double rationalism bonus (from pop and adjecency). IMO enough to rise to C tier, but lower C ;) Old guy's apostles are for sacrifice to relics or to convert units for free - here is why Mbanzas are useful, to spawn rebels for free units

Sorry to ask but what is Julius now after the massive buff (300 gold for barbs now/higher scaling)?

Idk why, but I heard Vinyl tier list at 0:05 and now I need that video to come out next.

Bull Moose is someone I can argue an A tier would be fair just because even if they screw you on land you can usually make good use by rushing bronze working and chopping all of your jungle and you also have Preserves, Theater Squares, Entertainment Complexes and Holy Sites to improve appeal as well! Granted all of that is pretty slow so I can definitely respect the B ranking. I'd probably argue Gran Columbia is S tier but yet again, I remember the +4 Llaneros and not wanting to upgrade them because they were literally better than helicopters lol! I didn't even realize Maya got that builder buff, I'd probably put them in B and maybe even A, gonna have to go play them! Amazing work man!

You can also go work Ethic with Khmer and get an easy science victory too.

Gutaria + Nan Madol was one of the best combinations i expirienced in civ 6

On a TSL Huge map Sacred Path/Work Ethic Pedro is just absolutely insane, SSS. For those unaware, it's the easiest win, any wincon, even beyond Dance of the Aurora Pete, because you mostly spawn alone with the whole of South America to yourself. Your North American neighbor will have a very barren continent with deserts, tundra and plains, so it becomes unlikely that they actually become a threat should they manage to overcome the central american city state buffer (which is irl lore ironic). I had Monty spawn there once and he got owned by all the city states (Mitla, Mexico, Cahokia). Pedro's biggest menace is barbarians, so some 3-5 archers and you're safe all early and midgame to focus on economics. Spawning with Pantanal nearby means easy astrology and culture-religion rush, with some nearby faith luxury for easy pantheon rush. I always manage to get sacred path reliably and fully evangelize my beliefs first. The Amazon+Andes gives insane adjacencies and appeal for some sweet preserves and national parks play, the easy spam of perfect +24 holy sites (+work ethic) are absurd. Easy perfect campuses, commercial hubs and theater squares means you'll fly early on. The early 24 work ethic holy sites makes short work of wonder spamming. The secret sauce is the amazon fire loop that, if properly managed to avoid losing pops, can give +10 food/production tiles at least. Amazon cities are bizarrely good for the adjacencies. Mid to late game conquests are great with Pedro. Have a port+industrial zone+holy site city with Venetian Arsenal and spam Minas Geraes fleets and armadas, and then carriers for the bombers. Get a panama canal city and you can safely bombard everyone with MG's 3 range and early power comparable to units 2 eras beyond. Culture isn't a problem so you'll just have an easy, safe conquering of anything coastal as soon as you hit nationalism, and it only gets worse when bombers+carriers show up. On TSL, navies are busted and Pedro has, hands down, the best naval unit, and probably the best unique unit overall if it weren't for the fact that it's a naval one. Going Voidsingers further boosts the insanity. Big gold, science, culture, production, food. What else would you need? The cheap amenities districts are very welcome for the easy ecstatics, and the 20% gpps refund is also great. Not to forget, there's also an underwhelming Torres del Paine down south. Pedro is that great on TSL. Flawless, and everything is tuned to 11. It's almost unfun, but an easy deity win even going vanilla.

i personally have a lot of fun as civs like kupe and other civs that have a funky condition (i.e. with kupe starting in an ocean tile no matter what). i find the civs that aren't quite like the others the most fun, even if some of them aren't great lol

Finally got through this incredible video just in time for Firaxis to ruin your life lol. To be fair, I think Wu is the only one that goes up a tier with buffs and probably still just to C tier.

Love how you enunciate Salah-ad-Din

With that intro this tier list can only be epic

3:46:40 I read that Julius Caesar used to have an additional line in his skill before his release that adds "+1 Wildcard policy slot when you conquer another capital city" --- had that remained in addition to his current kit, how would you rank him higher? EDIT: Thanks, Boes! As of Aug 29 2023, there's a new update that may change this list again lol

4hrs is absolutely mental and I love it.

i was just playing as bull moose teddy and yeah he definitely has very strong snowball potential but it can plateau very quickly. especially if you are fortunate enough to get a good start but you need to build a mine or quarry next to one of your appeal tiles for ammeneties it just fucks you back to not having a leader ability

Some times I ask myself a question: what if that map didnt have any hills? Babylon cannot rush man at arms, acropolys and seowon useless, menelick and gaul quites the game, you never had seen terracefarms. Or another question: map dosnt have any citystates? My boy Matias my girl Tamara going to cry, Pericles throws himself to the nearest sea, and only Frederick would say: i dont care

Boes - you're incredible. Thanks a million for helping me enjoy the game so much more than I would have done otherwise. Your style is great. I personally feel Steam Vicky is better than Peter because every map script, and therefor every city you may found or capture, will have strategic resources. Her bonus is so reliable in way that tundra isn't. Also think something should be said for Pachacuti's ability to work preserve enhanced mountain tiles which can become pretty bonkers.

I loved playing Qin China. He’s the only guy who helps me survive in Zombies mode

1:11:39 you can see the moment where his heart rips in two trying not to say it

I actually wanted to do something with my evening. There goes that plan, I guess.

Still dying to see a proper Poundmaker science playthrough! Would love to see how you set up the early game and transition in to the end.

Any chance you could make a multiplayer tier list?

Need one more final tier list now that we have Buffed leader pass leaders.

I also don't super mind the power creep to be honest, mostly because it's not like previous civs have gotten worse. You can still play old civs and have fun with them, but you can also play Yongle, be absolutely broken, and have a ton of fun. Even the bad ones like Unifier Qin, they have a unique ability that allows super interesting and unique strategies. Sure, it would probably be better on a different civ, but I'm ok with them adding more varieties of civs to the game. It probably screws with multiplayer a bit though where everyone is playing super meta strategies and has to play only the best civs if they want to win.