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Thank you for this in depth review. I ordered a DF64V. Mainly because of size and sound.

Thank you creating a video on these three grinders! I have watched also other channels and within the DF grinders given I brew with filter with espresso light roasts beans I learned that I need to stick with SSP MP, and it for value for money given how expensive the 83mm SSP burrs are, makes more sense to go for a df64 gen 2? Then i found out that DF has a 64V. Which is CHF 200 more than the gen2 with ssp mp. So glad you covered them here and also the sound. My brother did tell me ssp mp burrs are really annoyingly loud but you proved that. *sigh* I was hoping for a quieter grinder lol. I do come from a Sette. My next stop would be looking at a df64 gen2 with ssp mp vs timemore 064s vs 078s (the latter requiring more seasoning). Timemore is really much more expensive now compared to the df64 gen2 even with ssp mp.

Fantastic video! Thank you for all the work that went into to this video. Even though I personally very much dislike the aesthetic of the DF grinders, their performance and price point are more appreciated. Love the vid

Great content man. Keep it up. What do you think about the new df64p v1.2 that now comes with the new DLC burrs vs the df64V? curious to hear your thoughts.

Thanks for the very helpful review. I bought one recently and one weird thing I've noticed is that after I grind some beans the setting will change slightly coarser - usually by 0.35. Did. you experience this when you reviewed the DF64?

Thank you for your review! Who is making these DF ginders? There are so many DF grinders there, so confusing.

I am pretty happy with my set up, but I am considering trying out flat burrs. That said I do love the texture that conical trends toward. I currently have a sette 270, I've had it for several years and I love the coffee it makes. But, I would love a little more quiet in my mornings. I was thinking of the 64v, but am open to suggestions. Does any one have any recommendations?

I've no idea who this guy is, but his reviews are excellent!

thanks , just ordered the Gen 2, i tested the Varia before but did not get consistent results on it

How is the sound level of the DF64 gen 2 compared to the Baratza Encore? I’m looking into upgrading just like you mentioned, but I’ve heard the DF grinders are pretty loud

my df64v stalled 5-6 times on a single dose with the stock burrs even when slow feeding the beans 5-6 at a time. after I switched to SSP MP it only stalled 2-3 times in half a year.

Thanks for the great review! I was looking at all of these trying to figure out what the difference was between them in terms of their output for filter and espresso, and this really helped! I do both filter and espresso equally and change beans a lot (mostly light roast), so looking for a single dose machine with this in mind. Another grinder that I've been considering is the Eureka Oro and Zero for single dosing. How would you compare the DF64V and DF64 gen 2 to the Eureka single dose machines for both espresso and filter?

DF64 Gen2 seems like they took a lot of the DF83 re-design and utilized that, which is a good thing. For the DF83 I'm currently using BOYT burrs I might have bought the last 2 sets :o I'm liking the results I'm getting with those, I haven't tried the SSP Cast in 83mm but I think it does seem similarly sweet and balanced. I have tried shots from the 80mm Cast / Lab Sweet style burrs. SSP Lab Sweet v2 in 64mm I didn't like either. I don't think they're worth it for what you get. If you want something with not a lot of flavour clarity save your money and just get a cheaper lower end conical burr grinder, plenty of options for that! Apparently some people claim they get good clarity out of them, not sure how.. I had two sets in different grinders, but maybe neither were used enough to get seasoned before I got rid of the burrs, so they MAY get better after like 10kg of seasoning, which is kinda ridiculous. I did notice the DF83 stock italmill burrs were initially low clarity and high body (also due to the declumper holder coffee back) BUT I was still really enjoying the coffee out of them, it had a good balance, a little higher clarity than a conical burr niche zero or sette, with a little less body, but also just smoother less bitterness, so it's a step up, but as it got seasoned (and immediately after opening up the declumper) I'm noticing more clarity, less body, so it's more like a flat burr now. I kind of want a good low clarity / high body grinder now just because I have other higher clarity ones already. Even the Weber HG2 (conical burr) is pretty high clarity low body,Its like a conical burr trying to be a flat burr.

Great video! I have a Ode Gen 2 for filter and K-ultra for espresso. If I wanted to upgrade both, which of these would you recommend and burr set? I drink light too Nordic light filter, and medium to light espresso. Use a Decent DE for espresso. Edit: prefer 2 grinders for ease of use.

Thanks for the review! Do you have any experience with the different coatings for 83mm SSP LS burrs, i.e. red speed vs silver knight and how this affects taste?

Ive read your articles on both ghe df64 and the specialita and i know you recommend them both. But I cant make up my mind on which one to get theyre both priced the same here and Im not sure which way to go.

I currently use an X-pro for both my filter and espresso, and imo it tastes pretty good. But I can’t figure out with what grinder/burrs I would be getting a noticeable upgrade in taste and clarity. I’m scared that if I shell out €500+ I would be disappointed in the minimal difference in taste. Since you know the X-pro well, do you have a recommendation? Tak skal du have!

The burrs in the grinders really do change how they sound, I noticed your DF83 sounds nice and lower pitched than mine. The stock burrs are a little higher pitched and shrieky but super fast to grind. The Boyt burrs I'm using now are similar, maybe even faster, and not quite as annoying sounding. I noticed the similar style to your SSP Lab sweet/Cast burrs, the option-O Mizen burrs sound much nicer and lower pitched than SSP MP burrs which also have a similar high pitch whine to the stock DF64v/gen2 burrs.

Just in time! Thank you for the great video and your honest opinion!

Actually, the much hated plattform on the V is just perfect for robot owners. It's almost as if it was made for putting the robot bascet on top of it.

Thank you so much for providing such helpful content! It's greatly appreciated by coffee lovers like myself who are looking to upgrade or replace our devices. I noticed in another video that you rated the pour-over capabilities of the DF64 Gen 2 at 3.5/5 and the Kmax at 4/5. I'm curious about how you would rate the DF54 and the DF64V. I'm currently undecided about which one to purchase. My preference is for pour-over, but I also enjoy making one espresso daily. Any insights you could provide would be really helpful in making my decision. Unfortunately for the df 64 is to heavy, I gonna buy the grinder in a trip.

I switched to HE spirit basket, and to light roast and turbo shots. What are the best options for this type of coffee beside df83v2 with ssp mp? I don't think I'll be able splash on something like Ceado Hero, Compak pk100, EG-1 or Lagom 01. Is there something good, affordable and withour bellows?

Very comprehensive comparison, thanks! I'm happy with my 64 gen 2 decision :) I have a df64 gen 2 and I having some issues with the catch cup. with the top collar attached it vibrates very very loudly. When I remove it, my grinds don't completely make it inside the cup. If i rest the cup on top of the prongs it just vibrates and slides off. Anyone else having similar issues? Any quick fixes?

I have the DF83 with an older model of SSP multipurpose burrs. I mostly use it for pour over. Would be intereresting to compare it with the cast burrs for pour over.

Great video! I'm currently having trouble deciding between the DF64P and the DF64 GEN2. Do you have any tips for me?

super timely video. i’m waiting on my back ordered 64 gen 2, but now considering just getting the 64v. I’m upgrading from a baratza encore, so I’d love to get something more quiet this time around

Hey amazing video, you are actually the reason I ended up getting the DF64v. I am currently making a mid day latte while watching this. Ive been using it for 2 weeks with my flair 58 and I think its amazing! Quick questions I have are: 1) Do you ever experiment with rpm when using it for espresso? 2) I have heard as you said cast burrs are very difficult to dial in.... however it seems that that is easier with the DF64v so that's good to hear. I had thought the cast burrs were a good balance between clarity and body, so not too excited you said they were muddy. Would you maybe recommend the High Uniformity burrs instead of the cast? looking to find a balance burr set that can do light roast and still bring me body for lattes when I switch to medium and dark roasts. I have heard High uniformity burrs are too similar to the DLC to be worth the upgrade.

You noted DF83 cast burr had a lot more smoothness and clarity compared to 64mm cast, but then in summary noted 83mm burr gives diminishing returns- i.e. 5% better. On one hand in the beginning it sounds like the larger burrs are much better than that.

What burrs would you recommend for the DF64V for mixed espresso/filter?

If the df83 comes out with a Variable speed model will that make a difference for espresso or filter in your mind, using the LS burrs?

Hi I have a question! If I buy the DF64V with the DLC burrs that come with it, can i put the DLC burrs in my existing DF64ELR grinder and purchase a new set of SSP burrs for the DF64V?

I’ve had an interesting experience with my DF64 Gen 2 so far. I waited for a long time to upgrade from my Virtuoso+ and X-Pro. So far, the Gen 2 seems to be producing a lot more fines than my X-Pro and the drawdown times on filter are much slower. It has the DLC burrs installed as stock from a Canadian supplier. Also, the power button almost immediately broke, so I had to send it back to be fixed. Just today, a small rubber bit from the burr carrier holder fell off when I removed the top burr carrier for cleaning. I almost thought it was just a boulder and ground it, luckily I checked. Good grinder but certainly not without some quality issues still.

Hi, when you say SSP 'cast burrs' for the df83, which model are you referring too? Multi purpose?

How would you compare the DF64 to the 64V and 83 taste wise? I'm with a Varia Vs3 and want to upgrade

Do you test df64 gen 2 with SSP cast for espresso? I purchased one with this burrs and I don’t know with will work for espresso…

I have the df64 gen 2 and I can tell you for medium roast or dark beans you barely have any range to play with, I’m a notch below the 5 on the dial for espresso . Go any higher than that and it will spurt like a shower from the portafilter no matter how good your prep is. So essentially you have a heap of range for pour over options but you’re hard stuck with minimal range for espresso. Niche zero has more range.

Hi there! I have a 1zpresso Jx Pro. And I see nothing wrong with staying manual. Would a df64 be visibly better? I'm only into espresso at this point. I bought Jx Pro after seeing your reviews and that was a long time ago. So I'm hoping to have an opinion of someone who had both. Would much appreciate your opinion, cheers.

Hi Asser, is the SSP MP or Lab Sweet on the 83 quite a bit better than their 64 counterparts?

Hi Asser, so I've been mulling over which of these to get (with the SSP Cast v2) and torn between df83 and df64v. As a soon-to-be dad, sound will be a variable in the near future. Would you say the DF83 with cast are much louder/more annoying than the df64v with cast while grinding or are they fairly similar (the sound demo does give me an idea, but I'd love to hear your opinion). Also, if I should get the 64v, do you think it's worth waiting for the cast v3? Mange tak for hjælpen!

Is there a big difference in Mess between the Gen 2 and the V? Trying to sell the girlfriend on a upgraded grinder and noise and footprint are considering Factor but mess drives me crazy. Currently have a fellow Gen 2 for my filter set up, and the static is ok with that

I would love to go for a DF83, but the price of the burrs really puts me off. If I'm going to have to spend a grand on my grinder, I'm getting into Acaia Orbit or Zerno Z1 territory. Those aren't much more expensive, and they are just nicer grinders. Not to mention the Z1 has the custom prebreaker and all the SSP blind burrs which seems to perform better than the standard burrs. Also the burrs are less expensive at that size so you can experiment to your heart's content and not have to drop another $400 on burrs which is nice.

Where is Miicoffee based?

How does the df64v compare to p64 tho ?

I just can't get over that wooden pedestal on the DF64v. That may be one of the worst design decisions I've seen in quite a while.

Next please do Comandante C60 Baracuda VS 1ZPresso KPlus :)

How does the Sette compare to the DF64 Gen 2 (stock burrs)? Would an average coffee drinker notice a difference in espresso taste?