The Fine-Tuning Argument: Theism, The Multiverse, and More? | Dr. Michael Huemer | Ep.

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Dr. Michael Huemer joined the podcast to discuss the Fine-Tuning Argument. In this video, we discussed the reality of Fine-Tuning and different explanations.
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@SamKGrove
@SamKGrove Ай бұрын
Where else would we exist other than a reality in which it is possible for us to exist? Ayn Rand asked Phil Donahue to try and imagine a chaotic reality. Blew his mind.
@SamKGrove
@SamKGrove Ай бұрын
"Fine-tuning" is the product of anthropomorphic creator theory.
@wayneclements4184
@wayneclements4184 Ай бұрын
Anthropic principle. 😉
@psychologicalprojectionist
@psychologicalprojectionist Ай бұрын
I am a hard atheist. But I am also a hard agnostic. In other words, I can concede there is a mystery behind the “beginning” of the universe AND that that mystery needs a god-solution (2 enormous concessions IMO) but it still leaves us with a mysterious god. It is replacing one mystery with another. Why worship a god which is mysterious and you don’t understand? You are better off not believing in a god you don’t understand than guessing. It is less effort for one thing. But the line at 4:47 says it all. He is not a scientist and the scientists who are saying this are not theistic scientists. In other words, the people who BEST understand fine-tuning don’t go on to believe in gods. So why should a person who doesn’t understand the physics behind the fine-tuning argument think it is an argument for the existence of god? You can be a “fine-tuner” and an atheist!
@RefinedQualia
@RefinedQualia Ай бұрын
You are pathetically confused. If you believe God exists you can't be an atheist. Atheism entails God does not exist. Mystery God or not.
@justsuperbstuffAIgenerated
@justsuperbstuffAIgenerated Ай бұрын
nature is quite capable of creating a universe, no god required, religists just have small brains and no imagination and a total ignorance of science in general, on the one hand they propose a god who has this amazing grasp of physics chemistry biology and quantum mechanics, a super intelligent designer who can build something as complex as life itself - before we even get to consciousness, and they want me to believe this same super mind thought nailing a bloke to a tree was a good idea. religists are crazy people.
@r.i.p.volodya
@r.i.p.volodya Ай бұрын
There is NO overlap between Huemer's field's of interest and Theoretical Physics. You NEED to have an background in Theoretical Physics to even BEGIN to understand so-called 'fine-tuning'. Read AND UNDERSTAND Victor J. Stenger's book "The Fallacy of Fine-Tuning" before passing the slightest comment on this subject.
@RefinedQualia
@RefinedQualia Ай бұрын
No
@justsuperbstuffAIgenerated
@justsuperbstuffAIgenerated Ай бұрын
@@RefinedQualia lol, convincing. not.
@RefinedQualia
@RefinedQualia Ай бұрын
@@justsuperbstuffAIgenerated No overlap between epistemology and theoretical physics. Right on bud.
@justsuperbstuffAIgenerated
@justsuperbstuffAIgenerated Ай бұрын
as far as nature is concerned all those numbers are "1" it's only humans give them values that relate to other values, so changing any of them could result in anything really, as many people point out we have a sample of one, there is only one universe we can tweak so yes, maybe teak a value and no life - as we know it - but it's not beyond the realms of possibility that all you get is a a different form of life. no one knows. except religists who can just make stuff up. the universe is "fine tuned" for a lot of things, bananas, coat hangers, dog poop. which was god actually after? the odds of life under a god ought to be 1:1 not bzillions to one against, either god screwed up with his initial creation and has to tweak the numbers, or he's bound by someone else's laws of physics. besides, if you are christian you are required to have faith, not knowledge, god leaves no evidence of his existence otherwise my free will goes down the toilet so what can you prove? nothing, all you will ever uncover is more "nature did it" besides, god is imaginary. the doctor loves to ramble. i used to wonder, why is this me here now? i mean, this "mind" of mine could potentially wake up as anyone, and if that's true then i could "wake up", become conscious, as anyone at any moment in history. but then i realised that "me" is connected to the material in my head. 25:00 what is a soul and how does it work, cos souls are just a synonym for minds, they are imaginary, souls were invented as an explanation of how your body stays in the grave but somehow you get into heaven too. it's more god bollocks. religists claim that souls have some special quality that is given to it by god and that this special quality marks it out as - well, special. more god bollocks. how? anything that interacts with the material world can be measured, and so far no soul. god only makes sense if you take him seriously, but as an idiot who can't even protect and apple tree, a guy who can only cure sin by flooding the planet, then you really ought to realise we have to find a different explanation for why there is a universe just like ours rather than "god did it" cos god can't organise a piss up at a brewery, let alone the physics, chemistry and biology of a universe - god is an idiot.
@RefinedQualia
@RefinedQualia Ай бұрын
Jesus this is such a bad response on so many levels. 1) Huemer addresses the first objection right off the bat. If you think it's possible for life to exist on the sun or in a hydrogen gas cloud you've lost your marbles and no one should take you seriously. 2) No one said anything about the Christian God, or an especially competent God, or anything like that. That just doesn't bear on the fine tuning argument. This just makes it seem like you have some irrational opposition to the possibility of God's existence whatsoever.
@justsuperbstuffAIgenerated
@justsuperbstuffAIgenerated Ай бұрын
@@RefinedQualia your rambling doesn't compute. god existing is irrational, the talking snake and donkey cult is just voodoo dressed up, they have a book spells, they have a wizard in the sky grants them wishes, if you can't see that it's wish fulfillment and fantasy then you are just needy and insecure. you need god, you don't believe there is a god.
@justsuperbstuffAIgenerated
@justsuperbstuffAIgenerated 29 күн бұрын
@@RefinedQualia you and this huemer guy need to get a room.
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