They need something like kzfaq.info/get/bejne/np5jmJd0pqjOoaM.html in their native language

as a norwegian i feel bad for the sami people who we almost made extinct in the past

It is not only the language. "The way one speaks-The way one thinks"...This is how and why genocides start. But let`s block the rot!💥💛💚💙💖

we need seriously something to make this languages and culture not die, I am polish but when I read about Mari, Ingrian and other Finno Ugric people it makes me so sad that these unique and kinda mysterious people's culture and language is near extinction

@@sdominik3945 promotion (genuine) similar to this kzfaq.info/get/bejne/l96Cgqxnu67MqJs.html might spark care towards their own language and culture - most importantly among youngsters. But it can easily be touchy topic because of politics - especially if Baltics and Polish are involved. That's why fennougria.ee/en/grants/kindred-peoples-programme/ is kept strictly cultural (at least by government) - it is also The strongest link between Estonians, Fins and Hungarians with Russia

Hello Hetalian

Anna Budai Tóth Hi...

"It's a shame that they are dying out!!!" Hungarian, Finnish and Estonian are not dying out.

@@Sigakoer I'm from Singapore which is a small city state with a population of 5.6 million. Idk about you but a similar number of Finnish speakers and only 1+ million Estonian speakers doesn't sound like a lot to me :/

@@YummYakitori However both languages have their respective countries. As long as they exist those two won't die out. It's the others that don't have a whole country backing them that are dwindling.

I am so proud of you! We should never forget our great finno ugric origins and languages and we shall fight for their freedom! I wish one day karelia, komi, sami and more will be independent.

You need to make internet newspaper in karelian language.

@@jurisvemanis8840 omamua.ru

​@@m.p3982 Finno Ugric peoples Russia are free and Finland was zavisema and were in slavish position from Sweden you perhaps forgotten history​ Maija p or not knew and who you Finns released from tyranny Sweden from full destruction ethnos Finns Yes ​ Maija p precisely Russian Empire in 1809 year on friedrichsgamskomu peace Treaty Russia annexed to itself entire territory Finland. From 1809 to 1917 Finland the Grand Duchy of Finland was part of the Russian Empire, enjoyed the widest autonomy for example, had its own currency the Finnish mark during this time the population of Finland grew Yes or you​ Maija p think that Finland should control lead the Ugric peoples russia don't make me laugh​ freedom Maija p.

@@m.p3982 And now the facts of the history of 1941, Nazi Germany Hitler together with Finland attacked the Soviet Union, Finland took over the whole of Karelia the capital is Petrozavodsk was founded by Peter 1, you Finns are direct partners supporters of the blockade of Leningrad died of hunger millions of people and that we have never forget Maija p the Leningrad didn't need German leadership and Finland, too, as the city had together to wipe it off the face of the earth and to hold German Finnish border on the river Neva and the leaves of the territory of Finland and the southern territory of Nazi Germany such were the plans and not have tales to tell Maija p obidne about Finland, about Russia always attacks.

Ukraine morally supports Finno-Ugric cultures in Russia.

Hi. I was in Estonia, a very nice country, I went through it thoroughly. We don't eat bears in Hungary, but I brought canned bears and it was very tasty.

@@zhl5806 Брехня, многие украинцы и другие славяне поливают финно-угров грязью. Недавно наткнулась на украинское видео, где русские назывались финно-уграми. Ладно бы один ролик, но там целый канал на эту тему. И комментарии просто шикарные: "вот тупые чухонцы украли историю Киевской Руси и стали называть себя русскими". Это что? Как нам на это реагировать? Может Вы и уважаете финно-угров, но это, к сожалению, не меняет ситуации

@@nashtokloginovskaya1568 да, некоторые украинцы ошибаются, увы.... Нам очень сложно, мой город, например, бомбят, я каждый день проверяю, цел ли мой дом, моя квартира... Но если финно-угры, в том числе мокшане, эрзяне, и прочие сейчас поддержат Украину и заявят на отдаление он Москвы, то тогда украинцы будут поддерживать. С эстонцами и финнами у Украины отличные отношения..

@@zhl5806 Такое себе могут позволить только независимые политические структуры. Скажем, если бы и каждая русская область была бы независимой, не говоря уже о республиках других народов, можете не сомневаться в том, что большинство бы из них не поддержало бы подобное вторжение, потому что в этом нет никакого смысла. А так что политики скажут, того и поддерживают.

I know North Sami will make it atleast. We are so fucking stubborn the people that move here will just learn our language because they get tired of feeling left out in group conversations.

Passibo sinul hyväl sanal. Roin karjalazennu da kuolen karjalazennu oman kielen kel.

why is it do you think? low birthrates, younger people do not want to, or because they are not used in the public sector.

@@Vuosta Yes in my opinion the official Sami language with over 30 thousand speakers can survive, when in northern Finland they mainly speak Sami, when finnish people dont want to live that much up there i north, where sun does not rise in winter and is no forrets, because is too cold. The other smaller Sami languages I think can die out then, because there is only few thousand speakers of thoese langauges or even only in the hundreds of some of Sami languages, so they might die out, when the official Sami langauge becomes the most useful Sami language to speak.

@@kalevala29 Low birth rates might be one reason, but if language has only under 5000 speakers. Many are not that intrested to learn the langauge or use it all, because its not that used language that it would have useage in your life and, if only old people speak the language and younger people learn only more dominant languages. That is clear sign of language dying out. Some things that also affect on langauge death is heavy oppressing from more dominant langauge back in the day.

If you are interested in Ural languages and culture, I suggest you take a look at this Sami music... :) kzfaq.info/get/bejne/ft-ClNFo1Lu5gWQ.html

I noticed the Russian accent, too.

​@@PC_Simo As a native Russian speaker it seems quite interesting for me that in some of those russified languages I seem to hear some phonemes I usually expect from turkic languages rather than Uralic/Slavic-Indoeuropean languages. Unlike Estonian/Finnic, the pronunciation in languages like Komi and Udmurtian seems to sound slightly Turkic to me. But for the prosodical part - there is definitely heavy Russian influence on some those - obviously because of bilingualism.

@@anatolikalyuk Yes, I was also *DEFINITELY* hearing some Turkic elements/influence in some of the pronunciations of a few of these languages; and many of them are spoken near major Kipchak and Siberian Turkic hot-spots, so that could definitely explain these influences. Also, I’m pretty sure that Turkic, Uralic, and Mongolic languages shared a ”Sprachbund”, way back yee-haw; and some of them still do, like Hungarian and Turkish. Definitely interesting, and not something you’d necessarily think of immediately, when confronted with names, like: ”Uralic”, ”Finno-Ugric”, or ”Turkic”. Very good observation, my friend. 🙂👍🏻

@Roberto Biagio Randazzo but Finnic languages are far from Russisn

Ingrians are Tavastians, who migrated there when Sweden ceded the area from Russia in 16th century. Ofcourse, there was other Baltic Finns already living there much before anyone there knew anything about Slavs.

@@heikkisallinen9012 You talk about Ingrian Finns. Ingrians (Izhorians) were living mostly in central part of Inkeri, southwest from St. Petersburg, and actually considered themselves Karelians in the past. It looks more like they were a subgroup of Karelians, until the Soviets were like "wtf, St. Petersburg is surrounded by Karelians", and so a separate identity was introduced.

@@forgottenmusic1 Yet they speak different languages. At least me, as Estonian understand Ingerian more clearly, based on given sample in video. It might be to do that I was exposed to the language in early childhood, our elderly neighbor was from Ingerian. She wasn't allowed to return to home after Siberia, pud had possibility to come to Estonia, she knew that Estonia, Estonians and language might resemble home more than any other alternative (eg East-Russia or Poland). On the other hand she had passed almost her entire life in Estonia, and I was very young at the time. I assume she rather spoke Estonian with Ingerian accent -- she did spoke bit differently. When Regime finally collapsed and borders opened, her son come and took her home. On the other hand, just bit over century ago, people in Estonia thought they are Estonians, but also nearly every village was curtain that people in neighboring villages speaks broken language. Language alone does not define people. You can have different languages while being still same nation.

Votic people are more related to Finnish or Russian?

@Codyyh Yes, I understand them almost perfectly (especially Ingrian and Karelian), as a Finn, myself; to the point that they might just as well be dialects of Finnish, based on mutual intelligibility 🇫🇮.

Đēmøñ Ůmbŕēøñ Bruh, the Estonian one is talking about some men who were held in captivity in Lebanon returning to Tallinn.

@@loopsbrther8722 Well how the hell am I supposed to know? I don't speak Estonian. ~w~

Đēmøñ Ůmbŕēøñ bro chill, that’s why I was telling you

and Hungarian: reciting a really beautiful poem Babits Mihály: Esti kérdés (Evening question) here is the original video: kzfaq.info/get/bejne/mq2Rg7WJp5jFcqM.html ENG translation here (little different but still gives the original vibes): www.babelmatrix.org/works/hu/Babits_Mih%C3%A1ly-1883/Esti_k%C3%A9rd%C3%A9s/en/54127-Question_At_Night "you ask the question with dejected eyes - oh, why the silk, the sea, the butterflies, and why the evening's velvet-silky marvel? and why the flames, the sweet and sorry games, the sea, where farmers never sow a grain? and why the ebb and tide of swelling waters, and why the clouds, Danaos' gloomy daughters, remembrances, the past in heavy chain, the sun, this burning Sisyphean boulder? and why the moon, the lamps shoulder to shoulder and Time, that endless ever-dripping drain? or take a blade of grass as paradigm: why does it grow if it must wilt sometime? why does it wilt if it will grow again?"

@@Agria116 "Esti kérdés" might easily look like "Eesti keeles" at first glance for natives: menaning (in Estonian language) :-)

Thank you for the interest in my language, and in our shared relatives’ languages. Love to Hungary from Finland. 🇫🇮❤️🇭🇺

@iamyesyouareno Then, what would you take as facts, in this case? If you speak a Finno-Ugric language and listen to these recordings, you can hear the similarities for yourself.

@iamyesyouareno the Finno-Ugric origin of Hungarian was revealed by scientists in the 19th century and has been held in such regard regardless of the political environment. It is also attested by linguists worldwide. I'm a Hungarian who studied a bit of both Turkish and Finnish, and while many words that seem to be basic, come from Turkish (such as alma (H) / elma (T) (apple) or kicsi (H) / küçük (T) (little)) the grammar is fundamentally different with very few similarities. On the other hand, Finnish has many grammatical similarities with extremely familiar core vocabulary (menee (F) / menni (H) (to go), millainen (F) / milyen (H) (what kind of), the word joo / jó which means approval and is pronounced and used in the exact same way etc.)

@iamyesyouareno Due to the difference in vocabulary, it can be harder to hear the similarities between Hungarian and some of the other languages here; and if you don’t know the words, you can’t really discern between any similarities/differences in grammar, but you can always listen to the pronunciation of words, and especially the rhytm of the speech (like, how the stress is always on the first syllable; I don’t know of any other language family, where this is such a prevalent trait). But Hungarian’s classification is still under some debate; though reasonable consensus exists that Hungarian’s closest relatives are Khanty and Mansi.

@@mysteriousDSF Yeah, I don’t really know Hungarian, but as for grammar, for example our words for ”for the most wonderful ones” have eerie similarities: ”Suurenmoisimmille” (Finnish) / “Legnagyszerűbbeknek” (Hungarian); both essentially translating to: ”Great-like-[superlative]-[plural]-[dative]”; though in Hungarian, if I’m correct, the superlative actually has both a prefix: ”leg-” and a suffix: ”-bb”.

I admire you. I wish you success in your language learning journey. I'd like to learn Karelian because my family is from Finnish Karelia that Soviet Union stole from us. They were all actually native Finnish speakers (most of Finnish Karelia was Finnish speaking with Finnish Karelian dialect), but I'd still like to learn Karelian to help preserve the language and learn more about my heritage.

​@@Silveirias Thank you! I recently but two Udmurt books for children (for first practice in reading). They are fully in Udmurt language. First one with poems about nature is called "Пужыё дэрем" (Shirt with tracery) I assume it's reference to traditional Udmurt white shirts with red ornament/tracery. And second one is called "Котырысь улон но мон" (The world around us) and it's basically about everything. Udmurt contains a lot of "sh", "ch" and "shch" sounds, it feels like Polish of Finno-Ugric languages. You're Finnish as I understand? I have heard that many people considerate Karelian as a dialect of Finnish. Is it people in Finland who are native Karelian speakers? And how similar it's to Finnish?

@@maximvazhenin3345 That's amazing! Keep up with the studies. 😊 Yes, I'm Finnish. More specifically Finnish-Karelian, a Finnish person from the Finnish region of Karelia (we have two Karelian regions: South-Karelia and North-Karelia, but they used to be part of a bigger region called simply Karelia). I am a native speaker of Finnish. My ancestors lived on the Karelian Isthmus and north of Lake Ladoga (area called Raja-Karjala, the "border Karelia"), and they were Finnish speaking, too. People in Finland often confuse the Karelian language and the Karelian dialect of the Finnish language. This is because the Karelian language is not well known in Finland. Whereas there are a lot of people who speak the Karelian dialect of Finnish. There are also native Karelian speaking Finns, but most Finns who are Karelian speak the Finnish dialect called Karelian. Can be confusing. 😅 The area of Finland that was populated by native Karelian speaking Finnish-Karelians was a fairly small area of the Finnish Karelia region (this was in the east-most of Finland around the north of Lake Ladoga, in areas called Laatokan Karjala and Raja-Karjala, "Ladoga's Karelia" and "Border Karelia") that was ceaded to Soviet Union. Because of this, the people ended up scattered around the remaining Finland. Some of the native Karelian speaking Finns did not teach the Karelian language to their offspring. This was either because being Karelian speaking was too othering and/or because it was just easier to switch to Finnish. Thankfully there are now efforts to revive the Karelian language among the Finnish Karelian population, even among those whose families and ancestors were not from the Karelian speaking area of Finland. Finnish and Karelian are very similar, but Karelian has sounds that the Finnish language does not have. Some Karelian words sound like old Finnish words that aren't used much these days. Sometimes a very similar sounding word means something else. The Karelian word "to love" sounds like the Finnish word "to tolerate" for example. So "I love you" in Karelian sounds like "I tolerate you" in Finnish. 😁

@@Silveirias The Soviet Union stole каrelia from poor little humiliated Finland, an ally of fascist Germany, Karelia was historically not part of Finland, and thanks to the generosity of the USSR and Stalin after 1945, Finland as a country did not disappear from the world map.

@@user-rg7mi2dh9b wtf does Korea have to do with any of this? Finland has no claims to Korean soil. Perhaps Russia has. I would not be surprised if that were the case. The Finnish Karelia is historically part of Finland. You check your facts yourself. The Russian Karelia, or what we also call East Karelia in Finnish, is not all of Karelia. Nor is the Finnish Karelia all of Karelia. East Karelia is not Finnish and its people were historically ethnically Karelian and spoke Karelian. The people who lived in the Finnish Karelia were mostly Finnish-speaking Finns. If anyone was humiliated, it was the Soviet Union, considering no one expected it to have any difficulty invading Finland, yet it turned out to be a humiliating, costly, and bloody endeavour it could not afford to continue. The Soviet Union itself was still allied with Germany when it attacked Finland in 1939. Agreeing to divide Europe into two between the Soviet Union and Nazi Germany is a far worse reason to befriend Germany than wanting to protect your country and regain your stolen lands. Furthermore, the only reason Finland became co-belligerent with Germany later on is because "an enemy of an enemy is a friend". There was no one else willing or able to help Finland. Finland did not share Germany's vision or ideals, only the common enemy. When drowning, you take the hand that reaches to help, no matter who that hand belongs to. I'm not happy that Finland had to work with Nazi Germany, but I understand why it was done. Had the Soviet Union not attacked Finland in its infinite greed, Finland would have never needed to fight the Soviet Union alongside the Germans. These wars would not have happened had the Soviet Union not started it. Finland wanted to remain neutral. I think you need to brush up on your history from neutral sources.

I'm learning about them and speaking them more than anyone ever expected me too.

@Jennikaisa chan I feel the exact same way. As a Finn, with a bit of Russian blood, I hope and pray that our relatives would hold on to their beautiful languages. 😭❤️

@@eddykohlmann471 Kudos to you 👍🏻. I’m also half a mind to start learning these languages, in earnest. 🇫🇮

It is very rare to meet someone from the Russian Uralic speakers!

Чолöм! (komi language)

@@thekomi7561 Чолöм, ёрт

@@kitty_31_345 видза олан?)

@@thekomi7561 Бур, аттьö uvu Кыдзи тi олан?

But nobody understands Hungarian :( (Even the Mansis and Khantys)

And I am envious...Hungarian.

Ja én magyar vagyok nem értek semmit

Inkerinkieli on molempien ymmärrettävissä suomen kanssa.

@@sectorgovernor Hungarian is a mixture of Uralic, Slavic and Turkic. Finnish and Estonian have been less tampered with. However, they are influenced to some extent by Swedish and German.

It's simple, you understand the Baltic Finnic ones, which are closely related to Finnish. The rest of them aren't.

Some of those voices are having thick Russian accent in it I guess? Like Karelian...

@@thecandlemaker1329 It's literally the opposite for me, I can't understand any of the baltic ones, but can understand 90% of Ingrian and Karelian.

@@MrPizzapoika Ingrian and Karelian are Baltic Finnic languages (as well as Finnish itself)...

Same here as I am Hungarian :)

Kaikki ne on

Šuuri passipo

olu giitu :)

Kiitos! Giitu! Aitäh!

Spanish or english killed more languages that russian, don't be hypocrite. El español o el igles llevaron a extincion muchas mas lenguas, no seas ipocrito. De hecho creo que en Rusia tienen cierta oficialidad y proteccion que lenguas americanas o lenguas bantues en Africa donde la lengua oficial es una de Europa Occidental

@@owidiu28boo I agree with you mate, I'm not proud of being a Spanish speaker... Trying to learn Guarani

van egy az 50-es években leningrádban kiadott kb 500 oldalas könyvem pdf-ben, amivel elvileg meg lehet tanulni mansiul, ha gondolod át tudom küldeni. az egyedüli baj, hogy oroszul van. valamennyire tudok oroszul, le is akarom fordítani, de minimum 1, de inkább 2+ év, mire kész lenne.

@@o-hogameplay185 Én hálás lennék ha elküldenéd az e-mailemre: dani.farcadi@gmail.com!

@@farcadiattila-daniel2136 jó, ha megtalálom akkor átküldöm!

@@o-hogameplay185 Köszönöm!:)

@@farcadiattila-daniel2136 elküldtem

I really like in Sweden those cities called Luleä, Piteà, Umeä, Skellefteä. All of them have been named after rivers-are not they?🌫

Please teach your rare language to your future kids, I don't want these beautiful languages to die

Maybe you're still speaking something close to the proto language. I'm interested in Sámi. Especially Northern 😀

​@@jzk3919 Luleå, Piteå etc. å means river. From the very beginning: Lule-river, Pite-river etc. The cities got their names from the rivers. These words are hybrid words; Lule, Pite etc are samic, å is Swedish.

@KKmies Northern Sámi is the (Sámi)language with most speakers, so that might be it

I'm Hungarian, Finnish sounds more 'elvish' but sometimes it can sound really rough too. Hungarian also can be rough, actually some foreigners find it ugly. (I don't know because I'm Hungarian)

Well Tolkien used both Finnish and Hungarian to build his languages. Finnish was used to build the high elf language Quenya. If I recall corrctly, he used Hungarian to make an Orcish language. Elves and orcs were same people actually, the orcs were just corrupted (I think by Sauron), so it made sense to use two relative languages too.

@@Aurinkohirvi lol

@@Aurinkohirvi Orcish and Black Speech don't look Hungarian influenced. I read LOTR , one of the orcish word what I remember is 'ghásh' (fire) . Fire is 'tűz' in Hungarian.

@@sectorgovernor I looked into this matter, and the language where he was using Hungarian was Mágol. He used both Elvish and Hungarian to create the language, and meant to use if for Orcs, but never actually used it (except one word he kept). So he had this idea, but it was never used. A link I found now: tolkiengateway.net/wiki/M%C3%A1gol

What those children desperately need is native linguistic environment. Besides other speakers, this means media, that means media they use, them actually want to use (no filters). This means beside magazines, music and radio/tv shows also PC-UI, programs, games, webpages. To achieve this is costly. But for very least there are open-source and crowd source projects like OS (computer): translations.launchpad.net/ubuntu games: www.slant.co/topics/1933/~best-open-source-games office: wiki.documentfoundation.org/Translating_LibreOffice I'd hope Estonian Language Institute (eki.ee), could help other fenno-ugrian languages with creating their versions of: * www.eki.ee/heli/ (we use it in web and television too, very useful for people with sight issues, even reading aloud TV subtitles - never a human, but still quite good) * kaljurand.github.io/K6nele/about/ : this one transcribes voice to text pretty successfully. For example state uses similar project for instant subtitles for press-conferences , which is useful with thouse that have hearing difficulties. I use given app as notebook (it writes up what I speak). Actually EKI seams already have dedicated page, with contacts provided ("Hõimurahvad" > "Fenno-Ugrians" : portaal.eki.ee//hoimurahvasteprogramm.html It's not really that hard, I ended up doing them for a while instead crosswords. You need translators, what about including children them selves.

@@KohaAlbert correct.

There were some nomadic eskimos who - even during Stalin(!) were allowed to move between Alaska and Kamchatka. Were they nenets?⛄❄🌊

@@jzk3919 first of all, the E word is by most Inuit considered to be a slur, like the n word. Secondly, Nenets are not Inuit. Or Yupik. Do people seriously think all arctic dwellers are the same? Thirdly, no. Not a chance. Look at a map of Nenets people. They'd have to travel over 10.000 kilometres.

@@maxi6457 Even Sami and Nenets are different, no less than Finns, Estonians and Hungarians or Icelanders and Danes (despite similarities they have). Russia is actually incredibly rich of indigenous peoples and cultures.

I really like both the Székely and the Csángó dialects.

I absolutely agree with you. Also, I am planning to learn the Sámi languages, some day. Thank you for learning my language (I am Finnish). Love from Finland 🇫🇮❤️🦉.

There's variety too, i am an Inari Sámi myself, only around 300 native speakers left.

khanti is from the Ugric branch of the ugro-finnic branch and is in the same branch as hungarian and mansi.. it is also the farthest ugric language, from the eastern parts of the Urals.. as you go more east there are samoyedic languages, which are also part of the uralic family.. weird.. from hungary, the heart of Europe, to Kamchatka, the far far east. Being from Vojvodina, my mother is Hungarian and I grew up learning both serbian and Hungarian, which is often the case here (growing up in a city with a lot of Slovak people, as a kid I spoke Slovak with my Slovak friends and hence, I grew up knowing three languages and learned English by watching Cartoon Network as a kid and then school) so I was really lucky to be born here. In the Autonomous Province of Vojvodina, we have 6 official languages and 25 languages and nationalities spread around so we are quite a diverse place and that's why we differentiate ourselves from Serbia.. they mostly consider us unpatriotic, communist, liberals, gay or whatever because of our openness and respect to other cultures, a very chill attitude and lifestyle while we look at Serbia as literally nazis with their nationalism, hatred towards neighboring countries, glorifying war criminals and being narrow minded.. Also, the economic-political reasons being that Vojvodina is across the danube, hence geographically in central Europe, in the panonian basin and it's all flat fertile soil so all the farming and crop growing to feed the whole country and to have enough to export is done here while Serbia is mostly hills but the government is centralised so all the money goes to Belgrade and then they give us our annual budget which is, by Constitution, no less then 7% .. in reality, barely 5% goes to Vojvodina while in recent years, when you take out the transfer costs, we are left with 2,8% of the budget, while our AP represents about a half of all of the economy.. So it is only normal to have people who push for more autonomy or seek independence for Vojvodina. But, Serbia has been playing a dirty game, even in the 90's, when a lot of Serb refugees were being chased away from their homes in Croatia and Bosnia, they wouldn't let them go South towards Belgrade, instead sent all those people North, to Vojvodina, to increase the number of Serb population, hence, make any future effort for a fight for independence weaker. It worked and those hundreds of thousands of people are bitter that they were chased away from their homes and hate Muslims in Bosnia or Croats and now, their children, who are 20-30 years old grew up to be ulra-nationalists.. I hate that the government supports these hooligans in spreading their propaganda, painting murals to war criminals and serbian flags everywhere.. It is not the peaceful multi-ethnic, multi-linguistic place I know and want it to be.. So, just a sidenote here..At the end of the video, when they showed Hungarian, I was so happy that the flag of Vojvodina appeared as it is an official language here so people, hope someone reads this and learns that there is this unique part of Serbiaand that many want independence since we would be a little Switzerland with all the resources we possess . Ilove the sound of Estonian. Something so similar to Hungarian.. Can't understand it but something distant is there that you can feel it.. it's amazing.. as for fun, I'm starting to get to know Finnish, from Duolingo, just for fun, to get to know these beautiful sounding languages.. Greetings from Novi Sad, the capital of the Republic of Vojvodina ***

@@Maxhartmann2024 The Votic language has historically been one of the North Estonian dialects on which standard Estonian is based.

I did not recognize a single russian word in Udmurt, this is precisely Udmurt. The fact that you don't understand it is completely ok, because this is a different group of the whole language family. It's also okay, as well as the fact that Russians don't see similar words in Italian (although there are actually few of them, such as the words day, night, death, mother, to see, cloud and so on)

Ingrian, Karelian and Votic are 100% understandable to a Finn. Veps is a bit more difficult, but I'd get a word here and there. Sami...yeah, no. Estonian is Estonian and Livonian sounded a lot like Estonia, so I could actually understand a word here and there. The rest of them are totally incomprehensible. If I heard them, I'd think they were some kind of Russian.

​@@beyondrecall9446Dear brother and sisters from Vajdaság (Voievodina)and all finno ugric people from the world including Khanthi -Manthsi from Ural i wish you the best.Greatings from USA.🇭🇺🇪🇪🇫🇮❤️

Difficulty goes both ways - reason is different logic - do little common ground to learn it more easily (eg: lack of vs existence of grammatical genders ~ maybe why English feels much easier for Estonians). To know different language is also a tool to think differently. But still doable, students from aboard achieve pretty nice communication level with just 2 months ~ depending on motivation. And our toddlers seem achieved incredible levels at very young ages - will it be English, Bulgarian or Hungarian ;-)

@@KohaAlbert Yes, grammatical genders, for instance, are a challenge; though nowhere near the lottery that is Swedish (en vs. ett), which you just have to guess/remember by heart for each noun. On the other hand, (at least) Russian has a few redeeming factors for me, as a Finn, like the aspects, which share basically the same logic as the Finnish aspects; as well as the person inflections of verbs (hell, the 2nd person plural even has virtually the same suffix: «-те» (in Russian), vs. ”-tte” (in Finnish), sometimes the 3rd person plural, as well (in the 2nd conjugation): the Russian «-ят» (”-yat”), vs. the Finnish ”-vat”/ ”-vät”. 🇫🇮🇷🇺

@Kiss Zoltán Indeed. I don’t remember, for sure, but they might actually take part in the ”Great Kurultáj” (a Pan-Turanist event, held in Hungary, as a response to the surrounding Europeanism) 🤔.

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@@KohaAlbert Thanks! I’ll definitely be checking that out. 👍🏻

Niin, aika kivaa ja minä toivon, että nämä kauniit kielet ei kuolisi!❤

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Tenni kell-nem sajnàlkozni. Az USA-ban 1980 körül a "cajun" nyelv kihalt /"pig-latinnak csufolva a franciàbol torzitott nyelvet/. De hivatalosan védett lett!

It's not pathetic, but I get what you mean. It didn't represent the Hungarian language correctly. For someone who doesn't understand Hungarian would think that we sound angry all the time :)

@@accaeffe8032 yes, she spoke very emotionally, it isn't standard Hungarian speaking, she told a poem

The poem is: 'Esti kérdés' from Mihàly Babits

Yeah 😕 Luckily that didn't happen to Livonian, Estonian and Finnish. But in the that's how languages evolve.

Can say the same about the Swedenised accent of Finnish.

Swedish sounds nothing like Finnish unless you are talking about Finland Swedish which was invented by the Finns.

These are not russified accents. But Russians got eastern-finno-urgic pronounce for their slavic language.

@dota vinkz Maybe you just accidentally commented on the wrong comment , but did I deny any of those points you made? We all know that Russian/Slavic languages influenced many of the Uralic languages spoken today because of simple language contact. Even someone who never learned any kind of history should be able to understand that. But in the end this is how different languages evolve over time and that's probably one of the reasons for the linguistic diversity of Uralic languages. That's kinda why I literally wrote "But in the end this is how languages evolve". "You think English is somekind of pure language?". No, I don't. That's why I didn't write anything like that at all in my 2 1/2 Sentence comment. Actually, I don't think a language could be "pure" at all. "these are not accents". Yes, I know. And again: That's why I didn't write anything like that. They are rather phonological similarities incorporated in the regarding language corpus. Your comment is in general enormously contradictory saying "you clearly don't understand the structure of languages lol..." but you then claim languages could evolve on "levels". Maybe you meant that Estonian, Finnish and Hungarian have become national languages, but please try to understand that a language in itself cannot be on a low or high level, good or bad, pure or impure but rather spoken by a lot of people or just a few and be rather archaic or innovative. You narrative is not really helping in the revitalization/revival of those languages. So why is it somewhat unfortunate that some of the Uralic languages are labeled as "Russian-sounding" by outsiders? Well, I think it must be quite hard and exhausting to constantly listen to comments telling you, your language sounds like the one wich might be the reason that your actual language is fading away. Please first read, think and only then comment in the future.

It’s the other way around

They have very little influence, it is just spoken in russian accents

Alex Nick absolutely true.

They speak the language but in a Russian accent so it’s obviously not their first language.

@Roberto Biagio Randazzo Term there would be linguistic relatives nor ancestors (both children of same parents - linguistically)

You mean the Karelian dialect :^)

@@finnicpatriot6399 No, the Karelian language.

Niko Uimi No, the Karelian dialect.

@@finnicpatriot6399 Karelian is a language

"Finnish is the closest to Finnish" ???

Because Hungarian is the most ancient of them all. He added 500 words to Yiddish, Ancient Greek, and Etruscan, the predecessor of the Romans. In order for the Austrians to create the AU-UNG Monarchy, they delved into the history of the Hungarian language. They are still researching, but the question is getting more and more.

🇪🇪❤️

Ok i`m estonian and i´m in:) When Iron Curtain fell I made my first Backpack travels to Hungary and Romania and Tyrkie. And I somehow just fell in love with Hungary. I do not know why. I even started to learn hungarian. Only textbooks available over russian at that time. Managed to buy pretty solid Magyar-Angol Szòtàr in Budapest. Sorry to make that long and tedious introduction. But I think our basic words go back thousands of years. víz(vesi), szarv(sarv), kéz(käsi), szem(silm), száj (suu), vér(veri), kő(kivi), hal(kala), él (elu), jég(jää), vén(vana), menni(mine), alatt(all) and so on...

@@zygoptera666 this is why I wrote some words, to compare! 😊 If you have more just frel free to share! Have you ever wondered, that Finnish, Estonian and Hungarian are offical and allowed languages in the EU, but other ugoric languages are "suffering under Russia"? They will disappear soon. So sad.

@@JoeSanHUN Yeah. It is as history goes. About suffering under russia in 2020 I can't tell. But large part of russian population consists of Finno- Ugrians. (Maybe even V.V.P. himself:) I just pointed out some distant Fin-Hun linquistic similarities. Is it important? I do not know.

Well there is nothing similar with finnish your language!

Quite similar words in Finnish (added some more). Water (water) sarvi (horn) käsi (arm) silmä (eye) suu (mouth) pää (head) tuli (fire) nuoli (arrow) veri (blood) elää (live) mennä (go) alla (under) pehmeä (soft) muna (egg) kivi (stone) olla (be) kolo (hole) lapsi (child) äiti (mom) isä (dad) perhe (family) koulu (school) ruoka (food) syödä (eat) eläin (animal) koti (home) nukkua (sleep) Yksi (one) kaksikymmentä (twenty) sata (hundred) tuhat (1000)

Are Votic people more closely related to Estonians and Finns than Russian?

@@silveriver9 Language and culture wise yes... finno-ugric people have lived on these lands for thousands of years. Russians have developed from proto-slavs who in turn were kievan vikings from scandinavia. Today's russians are mix and match from hundreds of years of cultural influence.

@@ratelabor94 I see, interesting. Thanks for that.

Hi, I want to understand how close Estonian and Livonian are. Could you really understand some words but not what the text is about or could you understand everything (like it would be a dialect)?

@@rode7916 I can understand what they are saying but the words mostly sound weird or are unrecognizable.

@@lifecycles9861 Ok. Thank you so much 🤗🙏

@@rode7916 To me Livonian sounds as different as Võro, but like it would have additional Latvian accent (long time neighboring Kuržis) - on same reason it is much harder to read (many symbols that I do not know how to react to). I also recognize several features from west-coast and islands. Have not had a chance yet - but could imagine vocal communication as possible as Harju vs Setu (can make out each other) That "additional Latvian accent" what makes them it special in a good way. In Estonia similar cases would have been with neighboring Estonian and Åibo villages (Kihnu).

I see, so Votic people are closer related to Estonians and/or Finns than Russians? It seems so.

As an estonian, the livonian, votic and ingrian are more understandable then some estonian dialects as well, like võru and Mulgi.

I understand it more than stadi slangi. And I lived in Helsinki for years.

Same here.

@@eddykohlmann471 Yeah, I suck at understanding stadi slangi, as well; though, I’ve never lived in Helsinki. But it is so lexically influenced by Swedish and Russian *(ESPECIALLY* Swedish) that I’m kind of debating, if it can even be considered Finnish, or if it should be considered a pidgin or a creole. 🤔

Mass assimilation of other nations is currently taking place in Russia. In Finno-Ugric languages not published district newspapers, there are no radio stations (except one in Mari, Komi and Udmurt languages). There are no television channels. The schools do not teach Finno-Ugric languages. A stark contrast to what is happening in France for the Bretons, for the Welsh in the UK, for the Irish in Ireland, for the Basque and Catalan in Spain, for the Sorbs in Germany. Hungarians have their own radio stations in Romania, Slovakia and Ukraine.

@@mortensaask4140 You are a victim of Western European propaganda lies against the Finno-Ugric peoples of Russia.

@@jurisvemanis8840 You are a victim of Western European propaganda lies against the Finno-Ugric peoples of Russia.

You are a victim of Western European propaganda lies against the Finno-Ugric peoples of Russia.

In Western Europe people are capable of analysis and thinking. I lived in the USSR for 14 years and recently went to Russia for 2 weeks. The propaganda of lies in Russia is even greater than under Stalin. There is no independent media in Russia. About Finno-Ugric peoples, i can read the statistics published by the Russian.

@@justincasesept92 no, I was not aware of this saying, probably because you just made it up

Sámi somewhat sounds also like Khanty language, and similarities in cultures are even more visible. There must be something.

Thank you for the heartfelt comment; I agree with you about the need to protect these languages. I didn’t know that Bulgars are Uralic; thanks for the info, that’s pretty cool to know 😮. I wish you Bulgarians well, as well, from Finland, your brothers-in-arms against the Ottomans. 🇫🇮❤️🇧🇬

it's actually a plausible theory. Volga Bulgars and Hungarians coexisted for a long time.

@@PC_Simo Aww thank you so much 😊🥺 🇧🇬❤️🇫🇮 Recently, I found DNA estimation that the proto-Bulgars have 69.6% Uralic-like DNA (32.1% Northern European, 22.5% Siberian and 15.0% East Asian). Modern Bulgarians are 32.9% Northern European (maybe mostly Slavic since the Bulgars mixed with them), and their amount of “Mongoloid” DNA is about 2% What about Finns 😮

@@lonelyhetaliafangirl4936 I’d say that Finns are primarily Finno-Ugric/Finnic (based on our long history of isolation and our very unique Finnish Disease Heritage (FDH): No diseases like cystic fibrosis (CF), but instead diseases rarely, if ever, seen elsewhere, like asparthylglucosaminuria (AGU) and the Salla disease), with more Norse influence in the Western Finnish ”tribes” at the coasts, more Slavic influence in the Eastern Finnish ”tribes”, and more Sámi influence in the Northern Finnish ”tribes”. I don’t know the exact percentages, though. 🤔

@@PC_Simo Could the 32.9% North European DNA in Bulgarians be Uralic/Finnic?

I suppose it depends on your aim. If you want to be able to use it irl it's probably smart to choose Finnish, but if you want to help "save" a language, one of the smaller ones are the way to go. Finnish is definitely the most accessible one as it is even on duolingo.

In Hungarian: nyelv :D

"kieli" is "nyelv" in Hungarian /sounds similar( It also is the word for "tongue" (that is for the tasting).

Are the Votic people more related to the Finns than Russians?

@Ella Kara Same here; and I am also Finnish. 🇫🇮

@@EternalKaesar289 Also, in Mansi: nyelmye.

What about Livonian? It's supposed to be somewhat similar to Estonian too, right?

@@antimatter_nvf It also sounds a bit finnic

Antimatter_NVF Definetely more than most others, but less than Votic and Ingrian.

@@loopsbrther8722 As estonian i can also comprehend livonian addition to Votic and Ingerian. And suprisingly it feels more close than finnish.

@@asjaosaline5987 As a Finn I could also understand Votic, Ingrian and Livonian better than Estonian. Karelian sounded like the same thing compared to Finnish. Of the others I could somewhat understand Vepsian but all the else were weird.

Yes, Samoyeds often are forgotten, I guess it is hard to find spoken Samoyedic languages I found spoken Nenets and Selkup though. Finding anything in Enets is the really hard

Enets is almost died out. Not only the language, but the people too. I read somewhere they usually mix with Nenets, Dolgans or other people and lose their identity.

Oh, ӟечбур! I just have started to learn Udmurt language )

@@maximvazhenin3345 Шудо сюрес✌️/ Счастливого пути

Одыг, кык, куинь, нань!

Tietääkseni meän kieli on aika samankaltaista suomeen verrattuna. Suomessahan sitä pidetään kai suomen murteena. Pystytkö sä ymmärtämään mitä mä tässä viestissä sanon vai puhutko jotain muuta kieltä äidinkielenä?

Meänkielen voi kyllä ihan hyvin laskea Suomen murteeksi.

The speaker here is likely a native Russian speaker who has learnt Karelian.

learned finnish, because it was literally 100% finnish, except that she used sh instead s sounds

@@heh9392 Yeah in viena karelia they š(sh) sound in every š letter. Example: Kiitoš, šoma, taivaš

They even have a town called Kalevala

lol

Sure, in Americas many, many languages have had the same fate, with English, Spanish and Portugese mostly replacing the indigenous peoples' languages.

There isn't much incentive for young people to learn them. Helsinki and Tartu universities are doing their bit to preserve these languages. And so am I. Even though I'm in England atm.

I've been thinking if it's possible that Saami has influence from old Norse language? Comparing to modern Icelandic etc. Some written words/locations have similar vibe to it.

@@NordenTV I think they are still influenced by Svensk and Norsk

@@Gaming4Justice yep, in many cases people prefer to use norwegian or finnish words if they forget the respective word in sámi itself.

Meg tudtal erteni valamit a manszi nyelvbol? Orosz vagyok, jol tudok magyarul, de csak a szamokat talaltam hasonlonak...

there are people learning it as a second language to keep it alive, but its unlikely that there could be new native speakers

@@guul66 I want to meet them

I'm trying to do something. But the Finns I meet don't care. Maybe it's time to make new friends. I speak Estonian as well as Finnish. Even that seems traitorous to most of them. Originally I was learning it for fun. Now Uralic studies is my main passion in life.

@@guul66there is first native speaker - a child with whom parents are talking only Livonian.