Defo

Yeah deffo, these guys were genuinely intimidating. Miss these days with The Firm, Jack Dalton and Johnny Allen, when you had proper mafia-esque gangsters in the show. Not like the jumped up drug dealer like thugs you get in the show these days.

@@gravy180rs absolutly the old episodes are much better like the firm where very realistic

the Oxbridge-sounding guy was an advisor for Dalton.

Still realistic unlike cartoon gangster rubbish nowadays🤣🤣

Decent program, yes. Realistic, not entirely. It's pretty funny how scenes jump around. One minute I was watching an episode where Ian was telling Kathy off and calling her a slag. A few scenes later, Ian is professing to Kathy how much he loves her and how she's been such a wonderful mother. It's pretty funny!

More like pompous prats

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The way he reprimands his team for failure sounds like a health insurance commercial.

I have them all , lol. I I like the way the light switches off on Den , as though its his death. And what do you think if Gregory Mantel ( the boss ) ? I think he is menacing, upper class, head of Walford Investments , which is a front for The Firm, but there is a sinister twang about him. He looks nasty

+CanadianMaster1 Mantel was fantastic, was he killed or just disappeared when the storyline ended? I often wonder if Eric Mitchell (Phil's dad) was in The Firm before his death. Claudette Hubbard seems like the person with connections. I hate to bother you mate but i requested the Nick & Dot scene from 20 April 1998 a while back, do you have that episode? EastEndfan300 told me you had most years.

+Derek Anderson I do have that 1998 episode , I am having trouble converting them right now, I will try again tonight . Mantel's last episode was Den's canal death. He was the guy with the binoculars and who talks into the walkie talkie (if you have seen it ) . After Den falls into the canal, he was never heard about again , which is a shame as he was good. Only Mr Vinniecombe was above him, but I am really baffled as to why they made Mr Vinnecombe (the top boss ) as the body found in the canal, for not getting Den dead, rather then Mantel , (the second boss , who gave the orders) . Any road, it was Den who died at the canal for me...his return sucked. I don't think Eric Mitchell was in the Firm, because the writers have ret conned all of this. The Mitchell's came from another area originally , but the writers have glossed over this and re written it. Very unrealistic . I would have loved a scene with Brad , Mantel and The Mitchell Brothers though

+CanadianMaster1 Vinnicombe never appeared did he? I remember in late 1985 everyone in the square was talking about a murder victim going through a meat machine and the Vinnicombe family were responsible. Den also says he went to school with 2 Vinnicombes when threatning Nick Cotton. Vinnicombes/Dens first funeral are on dailymotion. The user is called soapiedish and the video is under 06-05-1990 ( incorrect date) it was 1st May. Barnsey also made an appearance at the funeral and Nick shits himself when he see's him lol. Thanks also for getting the 1998 clip. Great channel :)

+Derek Anderson I have seen the funeral scenes , (Dens in my opinion ) . I have also seen the finding of Den's body in the canal , after Sharon found his ring in a market stall. I have never seen that episode where they mentioned the meat machine ... where was it discussed ? And by whom? I prefer the 80's Firm to the 2000's Firm by far, more realistic in my opinion . What do you think of Brad Williams? I like that he can be funny and serious in the same scene

Vinnicombe was the boss at the time, Dalton became boss after Vinnicombe was possibly murdered

Zeekos Red Phoenix yep. Dalton killed him and put him in canal

Damnn

I think I heard somewhere it was for murder but I'm not sure

He burned down the Dagmar as revenge for Wilmott Brown attacking Kathy.

@@jessehordley95 That was in real life !

that pair of low level louts do not even come close to the firm who where like the mafia a proper criminal organization

not even in the same league the firm where like the mafia a full-on gangland organisation serious villians the mithchells are a pair of low-level petty thugs

He was an offscreen character at this time.

In the toilet

He ordered the meeting and hit, but wasn't present there.

both jack dalton and johnny allen were upper case classy men.

Star tracker He was hired by vinnicombe to front The Firms legitimate activities as a finance advisor & to throw off suspicion from the police. Vinnicombe ran it, with Dalton & Mantel was the gangsters direct boss.Obviously they needed a crooked finance bloke to run things well & they hired him. How many cockney finance blokes were around back in 1988-89? Not many.

Brad always talked like an Eastend hardman...That blond boss sounded implausible...

why not he was just a ruthless allow how he got to know eastend gangsters like the vinniecomes always interested me pity there was no backstory anyway he was likely getting paid a ton of money