I love how author Miles Cameron works them into his Traitor Son Cycle novels. Mind you, he is a serious reenactor and HEMAist, so it's not too much of a surprise. And while I'm not a Fiorist, you have no idea how much I loved seeing various creatures and poor bastards get taken apart using techniques from Fiore de Battaglia!

It just seems like a worse version of brigandine, so that might be why.

@@fredericosanchez9000 the coat of plates predates the brigandine.

@@fredericosanchez9000 as Matt stated, it's the predecessor to brigandine.

​@@fredericosanchez9000 i don't think so. afaik, the coat of plates was made in response to lance charges, and generally uses larger lames if plate than what you'd expect from a brigandine. coat of plates by the 14th century tended to be more tailored with a taper to the waist much like a cuirass i think.

I believe the proper spelling is maille.

I'd buy one of those in a heartbeat. And that woudl go double if I could get a zip-up hoodie with that on the back!

Femail pigeons

mail shirts

"Look what I got in the mail! ... it's a dagger!"

Of course!

This is Matt we’re talking about here.. with all the stiff penetration going on, of course he has got proper mail lol

but at 1 mm even though it is domed, will it prevent penetration? I very much doubt it. Sure it will hold your weight but you will likely not be sumo wrestling in it.

​@@kaoskronostyche9939🧐 deflection is pretty good at stopping penetration.

​@@kaoskronostyche9939 it'd be hard to penetrate something your edge can't find purchase on

I guess they had the benefit that the thing that they were armouring was covered in very accute sensors (skin) and thus could give them instant feedback on what worked and what didn't.

Interesting; modern(ww1+) humans had no clue of these features, and had to reinvent the wheel(or track if you like). a thing people knew 100s of years prior.

@@martinwinther6013 well, i am not so sure that this knowledge was lost. The t34 for example had sloped armour for better deflection. And sloped armour is not always better in tank design. It depends on the design philosophy.

The term is "shot *trap*."

@@juanzulu1318hell the Sherman’s had pretty good sloped armour despite what lots of people say, at least at the front lol It is cool to see this stuff though like how ww1 helmets like the Brodie and stahlhelm were both based off of medieval helmets The kettle hat for the brits and the sallet for the Germans

Would've.

@@hulking_presence Nope!

@@hulking_presenceNo, I wrote "would" + "of course".

The globular shapes also allow for a "crumple zone"

they are kind of simpler versions of the muscl cuirass

i think in earlier periods guys were much more worried about descending blows coming down on them over their shields than straight-on lance thrusts or bowshots. hence ancient mail armor tends to be reinforced in the shoulders, helmets have sloping rims and neck guards, etc. dead-on shots to center mass were what the shield was for.

​​@@joshridinger3407This is very interesting take that probably will stay with me for interpreting armour of this period. It still makes me wonder as mail, especially a quality one, with rings ending with hole intended for hammered pin, seam to be very labour taking and therefore had to be costly - deciding to integrate metal plate or couple ones into structure, if not for added protection (if metalurgy wasn't there yet, as quality one piece breastplate of same thickness also requires good work and material), then surelly would cut time needed to produce full set, bringing cost down with it. From mercenaries to less wealthy crusaders to equiping whole batalions it probably would've be wanted, so there had to be a reason why this style was never that popular.

@@Dolritto well the romans did eventually experiment with plate armor (the segmentata) though that, too, was reinforced in the shoulders. as were the spolas/linothorax. the corslet with overlapped shoulders was favored for armors made of many materials.

@@joshridinger3407 the samurai also had reinforced shoulders and neck guarding rim on helmets to block blows from above. The euro knights had cross guards on their swords to block down blows. The samurai and Romans had crap small round guards on their swords so they needed good top protection. Cross guard changes armour duty.

Are you hindu?

Look at the size of horses during the battle of Hastings then follow along. Mike Loades answered this a long time ago, the more potent Calvary shock warfare got, the more mail need to be supplemented with rigid defense

In the middle of the 14th century, or even earlier, when coats of plates, pair of plates etc. became more "settled" technology, they seem to be already significantly cheaper than hauberks, for most part. Which is understandable, I mean, some Visby armors are like 20-30 plates, few dozens or rivets and cloth or leather backing. Time consuming to make but perhaps, but really nothing compared to 25 thousands solid rings, 25 thousands of open rings, and 25 thousands of rivets that could easily go to your average hauberk. Then Black Death came, and work-hour famously got much, much valuable, winding prices of mail even higher. So aside from any possible differences in protection, mail was always very expensive and time consuming to make, especially good one, simple breastplates or coat of plates banged out using water powered hammer could me assembled much, much quicker.

@@PJDAltamirus0425 Yes, arrows have always been around so I wondered if it was lances and shock cavalry. It was interesting that Matt said the first medieval breastplates were probably for tournaments - if they had jousts, that would be consistent with what you/Mike Loades argue.

I’ve read that Persian armor design was essentially an exercise in well roundness, they wanted their units to have equals chances in melee fests against the franks and keep up an archery skirmish against the mongols. Brigandine and mail and plates are essentially allows to do that easier. Also, climate, brigandine and mail and plates are front opening and mail js ventilating, thus you don it and remove it faster , keeping you cool.

I'd imagine that shiny dome as being like an oven! But I have heard somwhere that the shiny kept/keeps the heat down. Trying to remember where.

Yeah probably cavalry games. East of carpathian mountains a lot of terrain is flat hills, steppes etc. Only in Belarus and northern half of Russia there are heavy forests. Which stayed semi-independent from mongols. Basically all of the opponents were nomadic light cavalry. A lot of southern expansion Russia did pre-1700 was basically moving the line of wooden walls and forts south.

I suspect the climate and the style of warfare is the main reason. 4 mirrors armour (chahar aina) and the round disc armour which preceded it was worn over mail shirts, complete plate armour in Middle Eastern summers would have caused the wearers to overheat where as mail can “breathe”. Middle eastern warfare also relied more on horse archery and cavalry charges with light lances and sabres, rather than guys beating the hell out of each other with pollaxes or shooting each other with heavy crossbows.

Because it's not true? Klibanion has nothing to do with brigandine or mirror armor. Mirror armor and brigandine both became popular in asia and eastern Europe in the 1300, worn together sometimes. By 1400 you have mail-and-plate armor that starts becoming popular and that will gradually remplace brigandine especially in the 16th century. In China brigandine stayed strong well into the Qing dynasty. While Chinese sources state clearly that large plates were not economically viable to equip all the gouvernement troups and thus their mirror armors stayed small, in Persia and india you have basically large square cuirasses that are slightly dommed that evolve out of mirror armor/char aina in the late 16th century. India also adopted them and even copied european breastplates. For the ottomans it's most likely again different economic policy (more centralised, unlike the great nobles of indo persia buying breastplates for themselves) and army composed of more light range units. Also in europe by the late 16th century plate armor isnt globular anymore and becomes even flatter in the following century

A modern Teflon-coated frying pan is as far-removed from an 1800s cooking pot as the Sopwith Camel is from the Thunderbolt P-47. Use a better analogy if you're going to draw dodgy comparions.

Swords! The traditional reason to lead your lady on your right. And then I saw ladies on men's left. Probably because nobody cares (that's just primitive :- )), and because, so says another tradition, she can be closer to your heart on your left. anyway, swords affect a bunch of non-military things in interesting ways.

ive seen a theory that that is the reason for the bowl shaped in hoplite shields

.....Delfection. One the flipping huge advantages of plate armor over lammeler, scale, etc the larger the plate, the more delfective in can be. Hell, the deflective raised surface means even mild steel breastplate is hard cus you have deflective surface, then a small crumble zone before you actually damage a guy underneath.

It’s probably a mix of things, itll definitely help with breathing, especially with a backplate since it’ll create a ridged structure that won’t collapse But it’s also a hell of a lot more protective than a flat plate because of the angling it’ll deflect most things that it it and stuff that bites will usually be pushed alway causing say a lance to have to travel through more material than it would other wise while also deflecting it

@@PJDAltamirus0425 that’s just a fortunate bi product. I’m sure the first prototype was tight to the body and the rich guy having it commissioned said make it with room for my diaphragm to breath. I don’t think he got hit by an arrow or lance and said make this more deflective. It’s just a bi product that has been tweaked even more. Deflection has clearly been taken into account when making the breast plates but it’s not the origin of the shape. It is the origin of the crease down the front, not the bulbous shape.

@@jungoder1085 you might look at a jock cup and say that must be to deflect blows when it’s actually used to disperse the blow out to the edge. Dispersion is what it’s designed to do. Disperse the blow around your lungs and diaphragm. Keeps you from getting the wind knocked out of you. Deflection is usually bad because it deflects into your arms , neck , crotch or legs. It would be better to take it on the Brest plate directly unless it’s a jousting lance

Any shock applied to the breastplate has to go somewhere - stopping short of the collarbone, basically on the pectoral muscles, might be a good idea!

That and metal straps over the shoulder can restrict movement with the maille underneath.

AFAIK they had both; the Bavarian National Museum in Munich has the front of a a coat of plates with a one piece globose breastplate and a fauld of long horizontal rectangular plates covered with fabric (the back hasn’t survived, but presumably it was similar to the statue of St George in Prague shown in the video) and the Pistoia altar piece which dates to the 1370s depicts uncovered globose breastplates and faulds held in place by crossed straps across the back.

Yes!

No the name is "Churburg". The italian name is irrelevant because the area was assigned to italy by the allies after 1919 on the basis of a secret treaty, against the will of the population. The castle is a tyrolean castle with a tyrolean owner family and a tyrolean history. And the valley is the "Vinschgau" in the southern part of historic tyrol, today Southtyrol.

@@tobiasbacher536 i Am not denying the rich history of south tyrol, neither its historic Heritage, or the forced integration intona foreign state that the local population was subjected to. However, south tyrol, in 2024, Is an (autonomous) province in North Italy

@@tobiasbacher536 south Tyrol is Austria!

@@TeutonicEmperor1198 you teutonics better go back to sweden 😂

@@tobiasbacher536 you should be thankful you still own lands south of denmark, your homeland. Very ungrateful of you.

Weight and weight distribution are an issue.

was that a 'Maile Call' ;)

@@thekaxmax I am very much aware of that, my own weighs around 20 kg

I've done a few videos about ancestry and my DNA stuff. English 51%, Scottish 23%, Sweden/Denmark 13%, Germany 7%, Ireland 6%. All my great-grandparents were British, except one who was German (Prussian Protestant). I look somewhat like my Scottish ancestors from family photos. 0% Jewish on both Ancestry and 23&Me.

It confused me as well, but when rewinding $ relistening I heard him speaking of the "late 1100s", so I took it as a reference to Richard I, which he confirmed in reply to another poster.

Do you mean the Churburg armours? If so they aren't from a ruined castle, the family preserved them and iirc that family is still around and owns the Churburg collection.

My understanding is that some of the castle collapsed in a siege IIRC, including some store rooms/armouries.

​@@scholagladiatoria: When this castle is in Südtirol/ Southern Tyrol, it was noted years ago in a german arms magazine ( Waffenzeitschrift). In this Southern Tyrol castle, a large number of Armour is preserved, both by castle owners and to some degree climate. In article was noted, that there are no edged weapons. In 1809 Andreas Hofer started a revolt against Napoleon. For reason of a law of 1515 ( Tiroler Landlibell), similar to second addment of US constitution, Hofer could mobilize 36000 Schützen with firearms and 40000 men of Landsturm, armed with all available preserved edged weapons of old arsenals, tools and selfmade weapons like spiked clubs. So , the edged weapons of the noted Castle had been really used in 1809 again.

Well, you've got your leathernecks, and your leatherbacks, and then you've got your leather***es.

@@texasbeast239 leatherdikes?

@@hulking_presence Well OK if you want. But I was trying to keep it about body parts.

It seems to have been a mainly German fashion, the chains were attached to the sword, dagger and helmet, presumably to stop them getting dropped or lost. The fashion only lasted a few decades.

To hold you're weapons, think of them like a modern drop sling.

@@hishamg ah, very interesting and cool. I guess after a while of that it made more sense just to not drop your weapons.

@@SuperFunkmachine yeah makes more sense with that CoNtExT. Thanks

@@aspiringmarauder666I know it was used a lot to attach greathelms to the cost of plates/ brigandine Since knights in the late 13th-14th century often wore a skull cap or bascinet underneath be able to just chuck the greathelm after a cavalry charge and be able to fight/breathe/ coordinate better until they prep for another charge where they’d just grab it and put it back on

Only in Germany really. There is only 1 example shown in English art of the time, and that was a window probably made in Flanders and imported.