Is this cheeky? YES! NOTE that this was conceived of and recorded in spring and summer of 2022. And a lot has changed in the TTRPG world since then... Enjoy! =D EDIT: One person at my Discord shared their houserules for 5e that they used while they were getting into PF2e. This documents one 5e DM's herculean efforts before the inevitable happened! drive.google.com/file/d/13HPJI4lfYhI08SSXEaDgGF-xS43OI4bu/view?usp=sharing

Wait a minute... this is just a hidden psy-op to trick 5e players into play Pathfinder without them realizing it.

As someone who only recently discovered PF2e, I am still shocked by how many of my homebrew fixes/ideas for 5e was already implemented and properly playtested in Pathfinder. Scaling conditions on bosses, more options for martial characters and rebalanced spells! If only I knew that there was a publically available and well balanced set of rules that I could use for "inspiration".

This is really great. But also as someone who consumes content for many TTRPG and plays both 5e and pathfinder 2e I see what you did there with these ‘house rules’ lol!

Dungeonfinders & Pathdragons 5.2

Wait... Is that the joke? That he's tricking his DnD group into playing Pathfinder 2E

Entirely realistic, other than how the wizard accepted the nerf with only a few groans, rather than spending the next 6 months making 'buff casters' megathreads on reddit and threatening to write their own game.

Making dnd5e a gateway drug to pf2e ❤

This video had me cracking up. All the house rules you were implementing were so aligned with Pathfinder that they didn’t even realize what was going on. They basically have been playing the game that they are trying to avoid and having more fun with it in the game they started with. Like the slide said near the end, they never need to know.

I didn't know I needed animated Ronald until I saw animated Ronald.

Short version: The best house rule for D&D 5E is to play P2 instead.

How to improve D&D 5e: Make it Pathfinder 2E Yeah, that tracks.

Cute artwork

Im sending this to my old 5e group who refused to try pathfinder I knew something was fishy when I saw a 5e video on Rules Lawyer, but I was taking the bait. The Ability score improvements had me suspicious, but the real smoking gun for me was "Combat Grab" which has the PATHFINDER ACTION ICON AND IS RIPPED STRAIGHT FROM ARCHIVES OF NETHYS 😂😂😂

You thought it was "5 best dnd house rules" but it was mee, PF2e. Ha, got you.

If you are a player and reached the point when these rules look appealing to implement in 5e: have mercy on your DM and go play Pathfinder 2e instead. Save your DM the work so they can focus on writing the adventure instead of patching out a half-finished system. Really great video btw!

I see what you're doing

Hey, you tricked me there. But i had a proficiency bonus for that.

Me at the start: Sounds like you just want to play PF2. At the end: Oh...

This looks more like a guide - "How to get your groupe to play Pathfinder even if they're against it and they won't realize it". I liked that :D

I cannot stop laughing edit: I didn't even finish, ending is just brilliant

How to change 5e into Pathfinder 2e 😂 If I was FORCED to run 5e again, I'd try to use some of these.

I had to t double take i was on the right channel. But then I heard you "house rules and died laughing.

I adore this presentation style so much and I hope to see it more in future videos! So cute and clean and adds a new concise edit energy!

YOU ARE NOT IMMUNE TO PROPAGANDA

Deadly d8 once again flexing on everyone. Great video Ronald!

Now I wonder, genuinly, what things of 5e could be good/fun houserules for pf2e. I've always found the motivations/ideals/flaws stuff pretty nice and system agnostic, it encourages RP pretty well and with more guidance and nuance than alignement.

If only this concept was a real game.

This is fucking devious lmao

My brother in christ you have just reinvented Pathfinder 2E for the 5th time this week!!

Jessy, You basically reinvented pathfinder

Yes, blocking legendary actions instead of legendary resistance is awesome.

They never need to know! I love it!

The slow way to convert your players to YOUR new system :D

To quote Seinfeld, “You Magnificent Bastards. you did it!” 😂

This feels like something a school guidance conclude put on and it terrifies me

I laughed when you said “great, his numbers go down by two” then later some player mentions mathfinder lol!

Hahahahaha "they never need to know" brilliant! 😂

Took me too long to actually switch from “Hey this sounds familiar” to “Oh I get the joke”

I needed this video a year ago but somehow I managed to convince my players and now we play pf2e, without regrets!

Took me way too long to realize all of this is just PF2 rules lol

B E A U T I F U L ! Now give everyone 1 move action, 1 swift action and 1 action... or just 3 actions to round it up! 😅

I'm going to start sneaking these in, and I **know** there will be one person on a table that recognizes it, but will say nothing.

Can't wait for all the angry comments from people who only read the thumbnail

This is hillarious

Ok...the pathfinder plug at the end was funny as hell 🤣

Another banger by the rules lawyer

Best house rule for D&D: play PF2

As soon as I saw those action pips I was wondering if the joke would be made. I was all ready to give a- "Y'know, maybe we can make the alchemist artificer able to make more consumables on the fly" comment. XD

Great video. I actually used to pull from both PF 1E and 2E for my house rules in D&D 5th Edition, before moving on to DM pretty much only PF 1E, although I have been playing and learning 2E for the past few months.

Good thing P2e has considerably less math than 1e. I might have to revisit those rules again, but I've also been using some of these "new house rules" myself.

Very nice! Now you need to teach them to move around the battlefield by taking away their ability to split movement. Maybe you turn the bonus action into a flexible action that can be used for other things like a second movement (or maybe even another attack!).

Can't wait to hear how many times they just do Pathfinder 2 in these!

I can't express how much I love this video, totally caught me out of the blue. So well done

This video has me giddy. It's gold.

The art in this video is so amazing. Alaznist looking great at the end! xD

That was really wholesome. Great job on this one Rules Lawyer and assorted cast!

Love this style! And devious messaging1, hehe. 👊👊👊

So I was about 5 mins into this before I realized what you were doing.... well played

So, you turn 5E into PF2E? (not a bad thing, I love PF2E, but at this point you're better off just switching systems) edit: nvm I just saw the end, lmao

I see what you did there. 🙂

I love this video, I always felt like DnD characters didn’t have enough feats

Oh, great house rules! We also made that at our table we have 3 actions, but almost everything costs action or two now.

Great video 👍

Is it me or do a lot of these improvements to 5e make it more like Pathfinder?

I always wanted my Fighter to have Battlemaster manoeuvres but I don’t tske Battlemaster because Im an idiot.

Checking out the in-game credits, and had to laugh at your character names. The Wizard is Willard, the Cleric is Claire, the Fighter is Fletcher, and the Rogue is Rose... still gets a chuckle from me 😅

LOVE IT! 🤣

Ive had similar house rules in 5e for nearly a decade now haha

I learned a lot. That was comedically strawmanny. Wish I was back in high school, had so much time to read rulebooks in class lol

Hey how about if polymorph still fully turned someone into a frog, but if they were especially powerful to start with, now you have a tiny super powered frog you're dealing with.

I was super confused until the very end. True they never need to know

I honest to goodness thought at the end of the video you were going to introduce rule 6... which is where the group calls this set of new house rules Pathfinder 2.0.

Why did the fight end with polymorph....? That lich would've been back up in a few rounds 😆 🤣

#1 house rule to fix D&D is to play Pathfinder.

That's sorta what I did for 5e game, except I actually manage to get the players to try Pathfinder 2e beginner box.

Honestly this is a very fun video and I'd love to watch more videos in this style! Also I do lowkey wonder how PF2e Magic Item system would be like in 5e, since I run a 5e server but lowkey want to make a swap to PF2e (cant really do that for the server sadly) so best thing I can do is adapt some PF2e ideas for 5e I guess lol

I saw that coming 😄

As a pathfinder 1e player (and really 3.5 guy starting out) I always wished 5e had just a bit more to it for character building. Seems like I gotta check out 2e now.

My favourite house rule is no 5e in my house.

I get knocked down, then I get up again. Then I get knocked down, then I get up again. Then I get knocked down, then I get up again. Then I need some serious healing. And a buff. Also, a copy of Pathfinder, I guess...

I like not having to choose between feats and ASIs, and I would LOVE if both were tied to character level, and not class level. Multiclass characters already have issues with needing multiple attributes to work. Giving all martials Battle Master maneuvers is a cool idea, but that kinda steps on the Battle Master's toes. I do wish 5e had a Skill Tier system. I am not a fan of only having 3 levels of proficiency, with one being tied behind certain class abilities. I have toyed with the idea of homebrewing the proficiency system to something like: +0, + 1/2 Proficiency, +Proficiency, +1.5x Proficiency. I don't mind casters having super strong spell effects. Such effects should be VERY limited use, however, and a caster probably shouldn't have 6 different boss-ending spells to choose from in any given situation. Polymorph doesn't kill the creature, and if you try to kill the creature, it reverts back to it's original form (taking any excess damage.) The frog lich also retains it's personality and alignment, so it will probably try to flee. The spell also lasts for only one hour, so they STILL have to deal with the lich eventually. I liked negative HP from PF1e. I feel like you could probably buff it out a bit more, like CON score + Character Level, just to avoid instances where monsters overkill you before you had a chance to do anything about it. "Yo-yo-ing" wouldn't happen as much if 1d4 healing wasn't guaranteed to bring you back into the fight. That all being said, there is just too much I dislike about PF2e to swap to it. For one, while the 3 action system sounds cool at the surface, the "cool" actions either cost multiple actions, or have deteriorating effects if you try to use them multiple times in a turn. There is also a lot of what I like to call "action wasters" in PF2e. Unfun things you have to burn actions on, just to do the cool stuff you want to do, or even benefit from the gear you are wearing (Raise a Shield action). I also don't like the "multiclass" system in PF2e. You have to grab an archetype feat, which takes up a class feat, which grants you a few "ribbon" abilities thematic to your secondary class. Then you can start taking class feats from the other class you want, but only at half your level. I also find the "add your level to everything" mechanic pretty distasteful. It bloats numbers and puts everything on a treadmill.

I like feats and ability score increases at the same time Kinda like 3.5 More bonus actions are cool too This is a lot like 3.5 I think?

House Rule #1: Gary Gygax was an out of work insurance salesman. Rule #2: Cynthia Williams is not your D&D mom.

I feel like there really isnt a solutions to spells like polymorph, it's either game breaking strong or only useful on lower level enemies where you are better off using crowd control or an AoE. I also don't think a lot if the 5e audience want a harder game as much as they want a cool game where they can spam cool abilities at a monster without much tactics.

Rule 1: play Savage Worlds Pathfinder.

What I do to stop the Tubthumping Effect* is use a modified form of the Exhaustion rules. Getting knocked to 0 HP gives you one exhaustion. While incapacitated at 0 HP, you make a CON save every round, and fails increase your exhaustion by 1. Exceeding 10 exhaustion is fatal. Each exhaustion imposes a -1 penalty on all d20 rolls, and reduces speed by 5 feet (1.5 meters). Spell DC is likewise reduced by a cumulative -1. While a creature has exhaustion equal to or greater than its tier, all HP healing of that creature is only half as effective. Exhaustion wears off at a rate of 1 per long rest, per day. Rangers can reduce an additional exhaustion on a short rest. The Revivify spell can reduce exhaustion by 1 as well, as can a good medicine check made during a short rest (DC = 15 + the target’s current exhaustion). I also occasionally let players use their exhaustion as a resource, on a case-by-case basis. When applicable, they can trade 1 exhaustion for +1d4 on a d20 roll. Other times, heroic effort can let them spend an exhaustion to use a class or ancestry ability an extra time, from barbarian rage to recovering a few spell slots. For those cases, I often facilitate the exchange as a potion or other consumable, so it’s not used all the time. My current groups use D&D Beyond, so for them I’ve homebrewed an ‘item’ which imposes the penalties when equipped. They each have 10 of these counters in a renamed container with 0 weight, so they can equip as many as necessary. *I get knocked down, but I get up again, you’re never gonna keep me down.

Maybe I didn't understand well but, about the battle maneuvers... when do you gain more dices? Every two levels too?

Getting feats and asi seems busted

where are these lists of battle maneuvers and bonus actions?

These sound dangerously a lot like 3.5 or PF2E rules...

5:00

You polymorphed the lich! We won! ...for an hour. Yay?

Why things like this work in PF2e is due to the fact that both sides enjoy the benefits. Effectively giving free feats for player characters will make the difficulty of the game even more of a joke than it already is. Battle maneuvers? More like class features from other classes. It is rare for a monster to have a bonus action, can't wait to see every monster using a skill ability in combat. Save or suck effects feel bad? Characters are too hard to kill? Good luck having people agree with nerf changes.

So you say make dnd pathfinder

Love it! Heres mine: 1: Similar to in BG 3, bonus actions to potion heal, shove, jump, pull, help etc/ use meters/ feat cost to do acrobatic, even athletic moves 2: Add Gem dragon ancestries to Dracinic Bloodline Sorcerer + darkvision + bake in the 2 x feats dragon breath and dragon hide/ melee from Xanathars ( all other races should have their feats baked in too )

I am honestly scared by how hard this would be to play with begginers who aren't full on nerds😢 I mean, don't get me wrong, strategic combat is fun. But my players don't even know what their spells do.

biggest click bait in history

I miss the charisma of Ronald staring into the camera for an hour. This sucks. If i want to see animations i can go watch something that in not MY RULES LAWYER

Pathfinder 1 ist way better than 3.X, 4E and 5E and Piazo is better than WotC !! :P ;P