What if the OG Barry was savitar

EbaisaDaGoat //TGG Yes, but actually no. While everything seems like that, there’s one problem: *Flash*(Wally). Barry is still the Flash in the original timeline, but he isn’t in Flashpoint. But there is a reason for this, Eobard Thawne(and possibly original future Flash). In the original timeline, Barry nor Eobard were there that night when Barry’s mom died. Now, Future Barry wouldn’t really matter in this case, until you realize that his blood is still there in Flashpoint. Sure, no one knows, but it *is* there. That’s just the tip of the iceberg though. The real problem is Eobard, because Eobard is still in Flashpoint after Barry saved his Mom. That’s a huge problem, because he isn’t supposed to be here. So yeah, Flashpoint *is* the original timeline, just warped a bit. If I were Barry, I would’ve rather just forgotten the other timeline. Yeah, I made friends, but this is how it should’ve been. I mean, come on, who *actually* is ok with your mom dying to a speedster when you can do something about it? Sure, it isn’t *exactly* how it should’ve been, but look at how things are different for the better. Flash(Wally) isn’t dead, because I would never meet him, or at least before I forget everything. He’s relieved me of my duties as the Flash, so I finally get to spend some quality time with the family I’ve lost. I’d leave him in the cell I made for him, not even to visit him. The best part about this is that, in time, I’ll forget about this, about everything. Worse comes to worst, I’ll just do things like run in a circle in a secluded place until everything is forgotten. I’ll live happily ever after, and as close to my original future as I can be. I’ll continue my job as a C.S.I. and hopefully, the event that made the original Flash the Flash will happen to me, and I’ll have my powers back.

Captain Dragon Slayer King Cool, but no. Savitar doesn’t even exist in the original timeline, or at least the one we know.

@@eljase6891 I think he meant that the first Savitar from the Savitar loop is the OG Barry

+Puddin I was a huge fan of Starshine after she got her diamond-head design and started blasting sorry motherhumpers.

I feel like original timeline barry is less of a bitch than our barry

@@quinn8445 yh he is. He is more like the flash and less about fucking family

@Subscribe to me Fucking family? *Alabama intensifies*

Adios

he be like am i stupid or am i stupid

IKR? I love that quote.

Not mine my favorite quote is “I don’t care how fast you are you can’t fight all 3 of us” Thawne:”oh I can’t?? Trust me this this is gonna be fun

Mine is “ this person as been dead for centuries “

"My goals are beyond your understanding"

*NOW WHO'S THE VILLAIN*

Remember it's a force of nature, not a human being, hence not having human feelings and stuff like that

Or just tough love haha

@@youwilllneverrrknowww welp this didnt age well

soooooo,like parents

@@itzdxrk7554 It just happened again in the last season. lmao

Lol technically u could still say it's Barry, it's not like it's a clone or doppelganger, it's Barry Allen still even tho he from like different timelines, because they all exist in a their timeline which makes them all original, but I get what u mean lol

@@youwilllneverrrknowww a

There is no original Barry Everyone is the alternative version of each other

@@u_nova_ you're not totally wrong, cuz there is a main prime version of everyone

@@azanamir234 yes but the speed force (cw cannon wise) considers the Barry we follow in the show to be “the true flash” meaning HE is Barry Allen. His backstory and everything he went through solidifies him to be the true flash of all the multiverses meaning “og Barry” really doenst meant that much to them

TigerClaw! Basicly, when The reverse flash killed barry’s mom that wasn’t supposed to happen so he changed the TimeLine and that made an Altenative timeline

I'm from the future and Actually the barry we are watching is indeed earth prime flash

@@saint5766 hah

Well no he's prime Because now it's not earth-1 It's earth-prime

@Clownzar everything already is complicated lmao reverse flash dies like 5 times and comes back the flash fucks up time 50 times it's fucking retarded asf

The real reason Barry invented Gideon, so he could actually fix the timeline

Is there enough room in the wave rider for Barry to run fast enough to time travel, and could he time travel while time traveling? Edit: During Wally's time with the legends if he messed with the timeline using the ship would he have a time wraith come after him?

Kyle Williams wtf?

@@kewkew73 No, only when he is using the Speedforce to time travel and messed with the timeline the Speedforce will sense Wally (or a Speedster) and sent a Timewraith after him(/her). If not Wally can use the Waverider and screw the timeline without on Timewraith

*Timewraith. Oops I forgot

The thing is I don’t really think they necessarily have to say that our Barry is different from the “og” Barry. In my opinion they’re the same person. I mean, sure Eobard said that the particle accelerator originally exploded in 2020, but then again, he’s from over a hundred years in the future. Could it be possible that the history books were simply miscalculated, or maybe he was just misinformed somehow? Also, it’s possible that Barry from 2024 already knew that his mom was going to die. Obviously he would know if he’s the same Barry we are seeing right now, as he would have gone through all the things that we have seen on the show. So maybe when he fought against reverse flash that one night, he already knew of his Mom’s fate. He just had to be sure to save his younger self in order to enrage Eobard and hope that Eobard would take out all this anger towards Barry’s mother to keep the timeline intact. I think it’s just a good idea that the writers could possibly use that makes it possible for them to end the show in a good way, taking us to the final battle with the reverse flash and the night that started it all.

@@misaelintriago5434 he didnt knew about nora's death..eaobard mentions that it was never his intention to kill nora.... He was there to kill barry.... Og flash saved barry and he escaped from that time... Og barry didnt want to screw whole timeline like present flash.... And also... In og timeline nora wasnt murdered and barry had a normal happy life... And he was well confident and determined with what he did....

@@misaelintriago5434 That just gave me Dark vibes right there 🤯

@@misaelintriago5434 OG Barry's mom didnt die he was just a really good guy

So what would OG flash be like? His mother would still be alive right, since the whole point of killing his mom was to make sure that he never takes the path in life that leads to him becoming the flash. So his mom is alive, Harrison wells is still alive and I would presume he's just working alone at this point? Isn't original timeline barry basically just flashpoint without the existential crisis of "wow I miss my friends?"

The Crisis crossover was so bad I couldn’t believe it lol

@@ChickenJoe12 It was disappointing, the fight between Barry and Eobard didn't even happen.

@@CarnageAnarchist Let's just hope that the crossover was Crisis on Infinite Earths and this battle is Crisis in Central City so that we can see it in Season 8.

@@DarthKamui Or maybe it will happen in Infinite Crisis or Final Crisis

Lol

Yeah and why does he still need a Team Flash.

Banana Rama it’s a joke

@Banana Rama What do you mean that the original timeline version of Barry Allen/The Flash from 2020 or 2023 was erased?

@Banana Rama Smh?

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Emergency Awesome

That was in Season 4. Tf you on about

HauntedSqueaker and? season 4 was 2 years ago

@@luke-hv6mp and? season 1 was 6 years ago

HauntedSqueaker and?

Ye that would be the best way to end the show. Ending it in the same scene that started the show

Barry running because he was late for work?

That would be dumb why would thawne do the same thing he tries to do before

Maybe a past thawne like the one we meet in season 2

@@kyle_Nexus why not ?

These are confusing times.

@@jessehuft892 I understood that reference 😂

@@thebrightlordx6079 👍

I don't need sleep, i need answers

Nan Totte 👯‍♂️🤽🏿‍♂️🤽🏻‍♂️

same

Nubulous lmao 😂 FR

Naw because at that time thawne manipulating him. He is better now

The Won That loss ur right but i hate this season 6 stuff i miss the times he went against speedsters and had real battles

@@uncleiroh8677 I can agree but this season, to me, felt like a crisis build up. For a second there i thought Ramsey would take part in it. My opinion is that post crisis flash will return to it's season 1&2 excitement, but then again you know how opinions are.

The right answer lol

No cap

I think he went back to the future to stop the anti-matter cannon and died. There is something wrong with this theory, I know there is.

@@jeanaleonela2969 He didn't die, he actually became the red and yellow lighting bolt that strikes the Barry we follow in the show it happened in the comics he tried a couple things failed and then finally just said he's gonna grab the bomb and run so fast that it'll dissappear from existence basically self sacrifice but the bomb went off as it disintegrated causing him to live and be apart of the speedforce living in higher dimension and then thwane's accelerator explodes and he comes out of it and strikes this Barry and black flash is the original version of OG Barry who saved the world and payed the price we see in the show becoming that thing but OG Barry evaded that fate. Yeah I know it's trippy as heck but time travel like OG flash was the flash in 2010 and lived through a whole life and then time traveled to prevent some horrible event from happening causing the timeline to change to him becoming the flash in 2020 but he kept all his memories and wells had some sense he died in the 2010 timeline and he later died in the 2020 timeline and left star labs to Barry in his will and the team broke up because of his death leaving Barry to go through his emotions and then he decided to save his mom and created the flash point where Bruce's dad I'd Batman, and then a year after he made the flash museum which contained his whole life's story and history even his time messing, and somewhere along the way he messed with time travel so much that the speedforce gave up trying to stop him sense he could beat whatever it threw at him.

Runners forgot: Araki forgot 2

This is the comment that I like the most. Wrapped up nicely and to the point

It can't be a coincidence that every single person who watches the show including the creator of the video is wondering about future flash. He is the embodiment of all that makes the comic book flash interesting. Just the sheer fact that thawne had to travel back in time(essentially rage quiting/ulting) to defeat him says it all 😂

Well I mean the reverse flash killed Barry’s mom in the comics too and that didn’t happen in the original timeline of the show.

Riley Bachman that’s facts

That’s reverse flash

Took me a year to understand that quote

It's the writers saying "we don't even know how to explain anymore".

I’m so confused lol and when I see someone try to explain what’s going on I realize that I am right to be confused.

Lmao ikr but we are watching multiple timeline changes through the seasons due to all the time traveling

@@peachystark you mean when Barry fucked up the timeline?

It would have been live real life

Goddamnit, Barry!

@@Ryszard281 eobard messed up with the timeline right on the start of the story. Eobard came to stop barry (which he failed), which means what were watching is a different alternate timeline where eobard comes. In the og timeline, barry's mom didnt die, metahumans werent made in 2013, etc

u mean the part where savitar says : "see thats the thing about time travel barry. the more u do it, the less the rules apply to u."?

@@anegg9108 yeah, its just the funniest thing to me because as the show goes on, time travel makes less and less logical sense in the context of the logic laid down in earlier seasons

Luke Seykora Yeahh it felt like the writers telling us to shut up and enjoy while they try to make it make some type of sense in layer seasons😂

@Fahad Jaman That's some bs. Eobard Thawne has studied the speedforce and knows how to manipulate it. Not every speedster with negative speedforce can get away with anything.

That's a pretty dumb assumption on Barry's part. That he thinks Thawne will just give up after that. Like bruh

Than maybe this whole time he has been hunted by the black flash for years

@BULLY MAGUIRE stop

It sounds weird but it sounds like a good idea

@@alexthebeast1213 because it already happened in the comics

@@c.j.playzmc2430 but in the comics, when he was about to vanish in crisis he turned himself to a lightning bolt that struck himself in the past. it’s very trippy

@@0x00h bro thats so big brain of him.

@@jing4945 but he got stuck into a infinite loop ♾

ikr that’s what I was thinking

Ikr that's what I was thinking

Lol archer?

Lol.

Unlikely Unless He Does That In Crisis Of Infinite Earth’s In this continuity unless this Series is in the DC Comics Multiverse Map then probably.

Reanimated DemiGod I forgot about that I think it was the first time he “ghosted” that’s what they called that anyway back in the earlier seasons

kyddghost9595 that timeline is prob fucked tbh and alot of people probably forgot about that too

The whole show is alternate timeline cause in the original one Barry gets his powers 2020. and his mom is alive. Tbh, this is all Thawne's fault for coming back to the past and killing Nora, therefore creating his own flashpoint which we know as the Flash

@@contelookhere7568 you got it buddy. I think the same thing ever since season 2 that there must have been a timeline where Barry got his powers before his mom died and his dad was never in jail

the whole series takes place in a alternate timeline,since og barry only become flash in 2020,in this he became flash in 2014

Or maybe the Time Wraiths let Barry and Thawne have a second chance, considering that the timeline changed for the first time in 2000.

No because Barry has to let reverse flash kill his mom no then sav himself so eobard doesn’t kill his younger self

@@growntrap-_7772 yeah in a way barry is not messing with time

I mean technically you’re right BUT... Reverse Flash then lost his speed after Future Barry left to go back to the future. Since he lost his speed he made this new timeline where The Flash wasn’t made. So he made the particle execrator to recreate The Flash in this new timeline kickstarting the speed force having the Reverse Flash having the ability to get his speed back through season 1.

@@benwashacked3350 nah.. up until the machine exploding is part of the original timeline.. probably like how after the crisis in the comics Barry became the lightning that gave his power ( dumb and mostly not cannon ).... meaning in og timeline Harrison wells does cause the explosion and flash becomes flash. but yeah after Nora, Thawne, and Barry messed up timeline of future Barry is definitely gone or changed some how. Because assuming the message to Nora is from crisis. Then that means the fight ended in a different way. Maybe with them on a scorched earth or fighting on earth 90. And since that sisnt happen in our versions of crisis. Og Barry is probably dead

no its still not answered

Season 9 Barry also not the original Barry bro because OG Barry is vanishes in crisis and he also came from same portal of thawne open to kills Barry and his mom in Season 1,2 and Season 9 Barry is Actually the Survive crisis and Savitar and he only replaced OG Barry with his new Alternate future

Hence no free will

T L O P

Yes bro that Barry was erased

I think og barry is the same barry we have now, this is because 1 change and 1 counter-change would cancel the effect of the change hence everything remains as it is, as for depressed future barry, we have seen how barry can set up scenarios just to trick his older self to doing the same things he did so yeah everything is as it is

I just assume that in a few years time the current Barry will eventually travel back in time with Reverse Flash to save himself as a child and that is when he disappears because he's made a +40 year change to the timeline or he can't travel to his present timeline. That way the newspaper article of Barry vanishing is confirmed

Basically in the comics eobard comes from the future of the timeline where he kills Nora Allen so after reading the history books that said he was destined to be the reverse flash he went crazy which caused him to go into the past to kill Nora Allen and be the reverse flash so basically going into the past doesn’t change but cause the present and as far as the new 52 where time changes after flashpoint it was dr. Manhattan and this is the only way it can make sense because if time travel functioned as the butterfly effect then the future that eobard comes from would be that of the flashpoint timeline when Nora Allen doesn’t die and Barry isn’t the flash so he couldn’t go crazy become the reverse flash and kill Nora Allen

Wesley Stewart You’re so wrong in so many ways

Munch anyone can make a claim however I do invite you to support your claim and try to poke holes in mine respectfully

Wesley Stewart Wait is that only in the comics?

Munch yes hence why I said in the comics in the tv show time travel does function as the butterfly effect so the continuity is a mess Timeline Nora doesn’t die Barry is flash Barry poofs in crisis Eobard becomes the reverse flash Nora dies Then how the show has progressed The only problem with the show is that when Barry is in flashpoint when Nora lives he isn’t the flash which doesn’t make sense because the show treats time travel as the butterfly effect so that’s the original timeline prior to eobard going crazy and changing everything

SimplyStimulating honestly tho that would be lit

SimplyStimulating do u think original Barry was closer to the comics?

Ellis Rowan yes

They will, in 2024 the flash will vanish. When we get to the year 2024 (IRL) we will know everything that happened.

SimplyStimulating it’s basically flashpoint

He is. Think of it like flashpoint but then he got his powers 6 years later in 2020 and his mom is still alive

i dont think so the og barry is the same barry that saw him mom get killed by lightning

@@sayerzaurrini3796 nah the og barry is the barry we know just older he knowed what he had to do since he saw himself do it

@@JosefZeethuven nah, the og Barry is the one who got his powers is 2020., Harrison Wells (E-1) is alive and Eobard Thawne is born ages later and becomes evil because he could never be like the Flash

Same

The fight has happened

With the latest episode of the flash we are shown that og Barry and og thawne are gone they don't exist anymore. But Since Nora's death is now a fixed point meaning you can't change it without destroying the timeline, a version of Barry and Thawne have to fight show up and fight and have it end with Nora's death to keep the timeline intact.

It'd be cool if we could spin it that way, but there is no Barry Allen Flash in Flashpoint, referenced by the fact that Barry was losing speed each moment he existed in the Flashpoint timeline. He had to ask Thawne to restore the timeline (kill Nora again) so Barry could have his speed/old life back.

It is, but it isn't because in "flashpoint" he saved his mother. The original timeline would have no contact with speedsters and the Original Dr. Wells would still be alive and create the successful particle accelerator in 2021.

@@Duaality. maybe that was just because in that timeline, barry doesn’t get his speed until i believe 2020. remember that thawne exploded the particle accelerator years before it was supposed too

@@DoofEvil Nah, we know he isn't meant to be The Flash in the Flashpoint timeline because everytime he tries to use the speedforce his powers deplete even more. Barry only had a limited amount of time before the timeline became cemented and he lost his powers for good and is why he had to ask Thawne to reset Flashpoint to the current timeline.

@@Duaality. recently rewatched flashpoint. no?? this never happened. he always had his speed. he was losing his memories

deadblood 4115 that would be good actually the original Barry seemed to learn way quicker about the rules than our Barry lol

@@Kmn2 yeah and it's the biggest mystery ever

Some random Guy he was also older when he first got his powers

Zach San Diego yeah but our Barry is still an adult no difference really lol plus it took OG Barry only like 4 years our one has been the flash for longer and he still seems to be less experienced it’s kinda Annoying actually

deadblood 4115 Either that or movie version of it.

True

Nope, it's not the og timeline because Barry is losing his speed, and also Harrison wells is not alive and well as far as I can tell, but he was in the og timeline. And also the way time travel works, is that once something is set in stone it cannot be returned to the way it once was. So it would be impossible for us to ever have the original pre show timeline. Flashpoint was just a somewhat approximation of what the og timeline looked like but only because his mother was alive, most other events were very different

@@Boba_Fett1980 damn bro you really know your stuff

@@yatharthdesai8309 I try lol

@@Boba_Fett1980 bro flash not losing his speed. He actually dont have his powers because he gets his powers in 2020 and it was not 2020.

@@Boba_Fett1980 in which world need barry harrison wells ? Flashpoint is the original timeline.

Lol

Righttttt! When he created flashpoint in the beginning of season 3 it just took him an extra couple seconds to kill the reverse flash and it changed the whole timeline

@@Marcelo-uz7sl He didn't kill him he just stopped him from killing his mom and kept him on a little jail

@@Marcelo-uz7sl Like what Reverse Flash(Professor Zoom) said in the flashpoint movie “Break the sound barrier and there’s a sonic boom. You broke the time barrier Flash, *time boom”*

@@Marcelo-uz7sl but one thing I did not understand, how come just a few seconds of more waiting caused more issues?

Berry ??

He'll be confused about the altered timeline

@@benedictator4763 won't be time to be confused if he was simply just erased.

that future got erased from the timeline because iris didn't die in our timeline

@@ssjr1934 Timelines never get erased. :P

It never existed

Ultra Instinct Goku their timeline didn’t change🤦🏽‍♂️.

There is infinite futures. Iris gone is one of them. anyway rip hr

Guess what

OG Barry no longer exists lol

@@SniperKing_33 that's why I said in my post that I think he could be in the speed force, if u read my comment. Guess it doesn't matter now anyways after the latest episode.

@@dazzwsmith the reason I said he no longer exists is because when og thawne went back in time to to kill Barry when he was a kid but ended up killing his mother instead it created a new timeline. Now thawne can’t go home because the og timeline doesn’t exist anymore, meaning now he needs Barry to go back in time to undo his mistake but since Barry didn’t save his mom the the shows current timeline took into full affect completely erasing the old timeline. So when Barry in season 9 episode 10 got transported to the year 2000 he had to replace the og flash when saving his younger self because that flash no longer exists. So when the flash in season 1 goes back in time to save his mother in episode 10 of season 9 he isn’t seeing og flash he is seeing the flash from 2014 who turned early.

Man everything is different from the original way these events played out, it began with Barry and Thawne travelling from a portal perhaps from the original timeline dimension, resulting in the time jump that ended up eating most of Thawne's reserve Speed force energy which kicked in truly after he murdered Barry's mom. The OG timeline Flash beat the heck out of Thawne whereas S9 Flash seems to be holding back. And when OG timeline Flash told S1 Barry to stop himself from stopping Thawne from killing his mom, the OG timeline Flash looked at him briefly then turned away right after to save younger Barry right after the dad yells, "run Barry run!", but when S9 Flash stops S1 Barry from preventing Thawne to kill his mom, our Barry gave him the solid eye contact without turning away even as he was running towards younger Barry to save him from the house. On top of that, now that Nora Allen in the new Flash episode has seen Barry or Bart already, when she sees him again while she is lying stabbed on the floor, her dialogue will be different than what we heard from S1 finale, and when Reverse Flash runs away from the house after doing the deed, after he loses his powers, Gideon's dialogue is also slightly different as she doesnt mention "the time jump" part and skips that part this time, whereas she had said that when these events played out with OG timeline Flash since they traveled through a portal to get to the past, whereas in the new episode, Barry is randomly teleported to the past with Reverse Flash already being there! - I wonder what happens to the story of the original Barry Allen that turned Flash in 2020, compared to the Flash we know and follow that came to be in 2014 instead, due to Reverse Flash accelerating the timeline resulting in current Barry to be the one and true Prime Flash, the strongest Flash despite all the trauma he's suffered and people he's lost. And it makes sense for our S9 Flash to connect more with S1 Flash while stopping him from stopping Thawne since they both lived through the exact same childhood and trauma, whereas the OG timeline Flash gave one look to S1 Flash then looked away to go about his hero business, but my question is this, how did the OG timeline Flash know that in this version of the past, his mom had to die, as he lived a life with both his parents and they witnessed him become the Flash, along with the real Harrison Wells and Tess from their particle accelerator built in 2020. How did OG timeline Flash know to choose what would happen here in the past because wouldn't that just cause repercussions for his own timeline where his mom lived? By letting his mom die in the past, I am sure that triggered the complete annihilation of his timeline, or that this OG timeline Flash was merely a catalyst for causing necessary corrections to the overall timeline after crisis on Infinite earths and Green Arrow's/Spectre's sacrifice. Perhaps the OG timeline Flash's true purpose was to do exactly what he does, knowing what he knows already, possibly already knowing that his timeline where his mom lives, is not actually how events were supposed to play out. I am starting to think the Speedforce made these adjustments to Barry's overall timeline by having him replace his ultimate self in order to ensure events occur exactly as they are supposed to, regardless of how Flash and Reverse Flash ended up there, all to ensure we get the strongest and most experienced Flash to ever live across the timelines and time loops. But maybe im just overthinking it! - TheBudaPower

Can you just imagine that we just go two episodes without a Barry Allen due to crisis and then OGBarry just steps up and becomes the current Flash?

@@RyoPotterOG Barry: What's up, bitches? Nice crisis you got there... Mind if I run really fast, save the world, die in the proccess and become the very lighting that I got my powers from in the first place? No? ¡Cool! C'ya in timelines later, bye!

That can be true cus remember Reverse flash was trapped after travelling back to kill Barry's mom so maybe OG flash was trapped to

He's god speed

Private679 R.I.C.O you mean can’t because past and future fuses to current

Speedsters can turn into speed force lightning?

Maybe because when he let his mom died he changed the timeline but he had to make himself the flash so he went into the speed force and turned himself into lightning to hit himself and tune into the flas🤯

Man you're so possibly right

@@zpureex1733 That's lame, but thanks for the explanation :

@Fisher Theo Yet in comics that's basically what happened. In fact the New 52 has kept that pretty much in tact with his origin.

Actually Nora did die in it timeline just not by the reverse flash

@VillianNation 616 How do you know. She may have died by natural causes eventually but they never say if she was killed.

First & last Name she was erased from existence

@Sal Z. No I was talking about Barry’s mom in the timeline before the reverse flash killed her.

@@angels8920 we dont know that. Even og barry could be dead by now. Anyone could be dead in the og timeline because we dont know

It would be cool if OG Flash became the Blue Flash from the comics but I think we kinda got that with Waffle-Face Barry/Savitar...

Because Thawne was the one that killed Nora. Barry was affected because Nora dying changes Barry's destiny and how he chooses to live without a mom or both parents. After OG Barry sped both him and young barry outside, either he ran back to the future or he got erased from the timeline due to Our barry making other choices and becoming the flash earlier than he should.

@@tvmovieedits3377 ...or OG B. Allen became the lightning that struck Barry Allen at the CSI office.

@@jackpadz6079 that's true too

Because Eobard Thawne has his own speedforce.

Bob Pickleson ok? The show is still brilliant for going with that route when they didn’t have to.

navier richardson It Is In The COMICS

y Gracias I mean it is cool but also makes a huge plot hole, if that’s what creates Barry is him future self and reverse flash fighting there must be a timeline where his mother wasn’t killed because he only exist thanks to Eobard, and there must be timeline where he didn’t go back in time because Barry’s mother was never killed, never creating the flash and in turn never creating the reverse flash, which means Eobard would have had no reason to go back in time and start the cycle, what started the cycle and how is this simple paradox overlooked? Lol

Theres nothing brilliant about that at all. Thats just a random fun fact about the arrowverse. Lets not try to create a brilliance where brilliance doesnt exist.

I would LOVE to have a spin off where we get to see the OG timeline and the OG Barry. It might even explain a lot of stuff that's happened on the show, because we have to remember that our current Barry was already living in an alternate timeline when Thawne killed his mom

The Flash used to actually be good, then season 3 came, and while it wasn't that bad, it just went downhill from there.

I thought this will be the plot for the end like a loop. But no the creators ruined the series.

@Supernova Squad also we knew about the crisis since season 1. And flash traveled to waay future in season 5. To the future that reverse flash is in prison. You remember that? He could go to the future and see it. But in season 6... He couldn't. What changed. I mean in newspaper he is still missing. But he can't go to future to see what happens. The point is, why didn't anti matter stopped The flash in season 5?

@@eironyy probably because earth one was going to be destroyed by the anti monitor so there would be no future for earth 1 to travel to

I didn’t get the point😐

@@eironyy because the Multiverse were destroyed by the anti-matter wave; hence, Barry can't travel to the future. That's the anti-matter barrier in the Speed Force. And when the Crisis happened, the Multiverse are "patched" into one Earth - Earth Prime ( Barry and Oliver's Earth).

That has nothin to do with why the time wraiths don't go after him. The first time we see a time wraith, Thawne was worried it was after him, meaning that it was a possibility. Plus, we saw Black Flash kill Thawne and black flash is basically a time wraith

Traye Zamora yes though that is because Eobard was tampering with the speed force, past and present, so that explains the time wraith, and there are debates between if black flash is a time wraith but even if he was, black flash was just fixing a already messed up time line because 𝖙𝖍𝖆𝖙 Eobard was not the one that was supposed to be there.

Yeah but when barry and eobard go back to barrys house as a child, they come out from the same speedforce portal, so the wraits do have a reason to chase him.

SwiFt Core they go through the same portal?! Haven’t watched for a while.

SwiFt Core and even if so, time wraiths are a rare occasion and that was only once soooooo

Chris Cottrill love how no one commented on your comment lol

Even it’s a good thoery

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I think it's in one of the comics

YES

Why do you not have any replies?

Finally someone who gets it and doesn't act like our Barry was OG Flash all along

In the comics when he vanished he also became the lightning bolt that strikes his past self. It's really trippy but still a cool concept that I wish the show explored instead of the garbage it spews out these days

Joshua Nieves why

Relax_Rombey Because look at the comparison of the suits of OG barry and season 6 barry with crisis coming up and thawne busting out of 2040s prison recently

but it's a diff suit so its not fully OG

MrDiGiMax it kinda is ofcourse small details would be gone cause of timeline changes ya know

Joshua Nieves no for them to accurately do crisis on infinite earths Barry will have to die so Wally can take up the mantle of the flash

It was always meant to be, everything is connected.

But Season 9 Barry also not the original Barry bro because OG Barry is vanishes in crisis and he also came from same portal of thawne open to kills Barry and his mom in Season 1,2 and Season 9 Barry is Actually the Survive crisis and Savitar and he only replaced OG Barry with his new Alternate future

EXACTLY! PRECISELY!

our Barry will actually become him, when the time comes.

@@cameronbaker97 well that's actually quite impossible since Thawne admitted to tampering with the timeline and accelerating Barry's growth as The Flash in order to get home (even manipulating events so his origin occurs earlier than the original timeline Flash) so Original Barry and Current Barry can never really become “one" since they diverged quite early on

See, this is my understanding too. Eobard tried to erase the original Flash, but realized his only way home to his time was to help young Barry become the Flash sooner than the original natural turn of events hence having to become Wells, and creating an alternate timeline where the Flash he fought never existed, but this new younger version takes his place. (time wraiths basically leaving him alone because he was basically fixing what he broke by becoming Wells. On the other hand if the original still exists he could have (and I *hate* this explanation, but it's one a friend keeps bringing up as a running joke) somehow become the lightening that gave his younger self powers (gag), thus removing himself from the timeline all together.

@@cameronbaker97 not actually but eventually.

@@demonteprice5870 you are right. Even though Thawne killed Barry's mother first time , it didn't erase the timeline from which thawne was from you see. Time travel is complicated , it finds a loophole. What Thawne did that night was to create another timeline where Barry's mom is dead and thus future events are random and different. Basically , it creates the infinite earth multiverse crisis.

Exactly, just from watching season 1 and this is clearly explained

That does not make sense. In 1x17 they both came out of the portal and ran straight to Barry's house. In Season 9, both of them have already been in Central City for a whole day. In addition, Thwane himself said that the particle accelerator was started in 2020 by the real Harrison Wells and Tess Morgan. That's why he killed Wells and took over his identity to trigger this event earlier

Shut up Lucas Feng

Lol oki

@@lucasfeng8405 you asian nigga

PoopySocc what the fuck

all good questions

This is 7 montha after but. Supergirl, The Legends, even THE LEAGUE tried, but no one was succesfuel~ Nora Allen

But Batman exists in our Barry timeline. He’s just not in gotham and nobody knows where his whereabouts are. And so is Superman .

Yeah I’ve thought of this since I started watching the show. I think also in the OG timeline the Wally West there was a red head and is maybe stuck in the speed force somewhere 👀 *SPOILER INCOMING* just like in the comics Wally was stuck in the speed force because barry changed everything (and doctor manhattan or somthin idk)

I think it is true because where is earth 1 superman and supergirl and why isn't there a earth 1 justice league

@@angels8920 I actually agree with this too because in the OG timeline, Barry's mom doesn't die. And when they first met Gideon, she told him "you created me" probably referring to the OG Barry. She also mentioned that he was a founding member of something, and we could infer that she was talking about the OG Barry being a founding member of the Justice League. Our Barry is already in an alternate timeline, so it could be that in the original timeline the Justice League existed, and so did all of its members. On top of that it's pretty obvious that Gideon is from the original Barry's timeline, so when they talk to her in the time vault, all the things she says about Barry are probably about the other Barry, the one whose mom never died and who traveled back in time to save his younger self from Thawne

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And the loop starts all over again, that would be hell of a series finale.

Or he became the lightning who hit himself in the first place in order for him to become flash.

@ wishful thinking I guess

@ I have lol just when him and Reverse Flash go back in time and Barry saves his kid self I feel thats nhow its gonna end cause we still haven't seen that Future barry

WebHead2099 they became friends. They cannot exist if one of them is gone. Barry Fueled the speedforce. Eobard make Barry run to fuel speedforce.

In DC legends of tomorrow, Eobard was trying to avoid the time wraith couple of times by hiding in the speed force. So idk why the timewraith didnt go after him in S1 flash

Eddye Pepin yeah

The one speaking in the future is from 2024

@@vatogamer4882 no its actually 2056 like he said

@@vatogamer4882 you are wrong sir.

but the flash only goes up to the year 2049 so far because nora is born in 2024 or before and that’s the time just before barry dies

1. Kill your parents before you're born, then you're not born. 2. If you're not born, then you don't kill your parents so they will be alive. 3. If your parents are alive, you will be born. 4. If you're born, you'll still go back in time to kill your parents in the past. 5. And that's not just a time paradox, that's a time loop.

@@thefoeofdrip1184 that's why time travel to the past is impossible

@@jadinhtvt6870 I was explaining a time loop within a time paradox

Me lol

That's a good theory.. Except u have terrible grammar

@@BatOfGotham26 yea, i know... I don't speak English as my base language...

Yuuup

The Season 6 suit is not the OG suit.

@@thefoeofdrip1184 lol

@@makhi6022 he os right

It actually make sense to me.. I don't know about anybody else

Shitttt bro you fucked up my life. Man wtf

My god. That makes so much sense.

I think that barry saw all of time, from the beginning to the end. Thats the only thing that sounds logical and simple. He saw everything because he was in the speed force for billion of years, but for the team only six months. So he saw everything and was too confused to figure out when he was. (btw sorry if my grammar is trash bc english isnt my first language and I aint gonna try my best for a yt comment)

This makes ALOT of sense. I mean idk if I Could explain it right but good theory

Yes i also think Season 9 Barry also not the original Barry because OG Barry is vanishes in crisis and he also came from same portal of thawne open to kills Barry and his mom in Season 1,2 We already see and Season 9 Barry is Actually the Survive crisis and Savitar and he only replaced OG Barry with his new Alternate future

Bro very nice thoughts

@@Rachebart rip the cw flash though :(

@@Tyorne13 yeah bro 😭 amen 😭😭😭

BK Vids that wound be a boring show

Aranduzz it already is boring

BK Vids to you

I think it’s getting funnier, although I’m not done with season 6 yet, but I still really like the show, and I have for 5 years

@@SpiralTheFirst then your comedic intake is weak, i don't hate any seasons but some were very nothing, I feel like og Barry could be interesting, we would start from his creation (when he got his speed) to when he saved himself and then getting sent to our Barry's timeline but also now having his memories changed since he isn't only being erased but changing into a second barry from the show and finally being erased