Great point, and I’m pinning this so others can see. In future videos I’ll explain this stuff more. The flaps are important because they make the wing bigger. Wings are what enables planes to fly in the first place, so having bigger wings makes it easier to fly. People tend to complicate it, but it’s actually that simple. Why are the flaps only used during takeoff and landing, then? Surely if they help the plane fly, they should be left there for the whole flight? The answer to this is that the drawback of having a bigger wing, is that there’s more surface for the air to drag against, and slow the plane down. A plane is most fuel efficient when it’s flying high and fast, and for that, you need a smaller wing that doesn’t drag on the air so much. The flaps are no longer needed when you’re travelling fast anyway, because there’s so much air passing over the wing at any given moment, that the wing can easily fly. So the solution is to have a wing that can be big when it needs to be (i.e. when the plane is travelling slow, like at takeoff and landing), and small when it needs to be (like during the cruise). And that’s what flaps are! Wing extensions.

@@GreenDotAviation Wow! Thank you so much for taking the time to explain, and in detail, what they are and what they do. I appreciate that!

@@GreenDotAviation That's right as far as it goes. However, the flaps not only increase the wing area but also increase the wing's lift coefficient. Both the wing's area and its lift coefficient contribute to drag in flight. Your videos are excellent; concise, clear, well researched and with great graphics.

@@GreenDotAviation thanks

Is the reason for the other 2 of 6 TOWS system failures known?

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@@CanyonF ooo

I hoed ur mom

Those words are written in gold, as we saw here.

Thank you sir

Thank you! I hate flying

as someone with anxiety flying THANK YOU

Agreed, people get angry because they don't have any patience. Getting mad because McDonald's didn't get you your big mac on time is very different than getting mad that you have to wait longer for something that can claim your life.

Will you please stop destroying our luggage? Thank you.

They wouldn't?

Thank god...we wouldnt have masterpieces from him

Interesting!

Would or wouldn't? I can understand lol if they would let him board he'd be dead?!

@@999LightBeam666 Correct. If he was on time for the flight then he would have been on the plane and died in the crash. He discusses this in some interviews. Google "Deadmua5 plane crash"

Indeed So scary...

The only transport that you have some control over as a passenger may be a ship/boat where you can Don a lifejacket ?

Yeah I hate being a passenger. Especially in cars or buses. I always feel the need to be in control. That's why I can't stand to sit in the back seat in cars

The amount of control you have in any situation is illusory. The vehicle has to be properly designed and maintained to do what it's supposed to do, but that's not a real issue most of the time. What is, however, is everyone else. Most are good enough at driving but it takes crossing paths with just one irresponsible person to upend all your abilities in a split second.

@@AverageAlien One of my wife's best friends from childhood was much the same way. She drove to our wedding because she couldn't stand flying for that reason. But sadly and ironically she was killed in a car wreck. She was driving and in control, but was forced into the path of an oncoming truck by someone passing that same truck in a blizzard. She swerved right but the snow embankment ricocheted her into the path of the truck. There's only so much you can control.

I have landed and taken off from Madrid 4 times in 2019. I had not known of this incident until Dec 11, 2022. I try not to think about it.

I started 6 h after the crash right over the wrack. It was horrible and I'm still a bit nervous when take off.

I wonder if people taking off from Chicago O'Hare think the same. I forget the flight number but a big DC-10 American Airlines jet crashed right after takeoff there in 1979 and I'm sure the field it ended up in is totally visibly from takeoff and landing.

@@MDK2_Radio I think that most people simply remain unaware about accidents. Most are somewhat scared of getting into airplanes, and knowing about these tragedies would simply worsen their fear. Another tragedy that is not really known about is the Spantax DC-10 accident, where the aircraft ran off the airport highway, taking lives.

Never really though about it. I just hate flying in and out of Madrid because of the airport and service.

And you should never have some dumb bimbo chatting up the pilot during preflight stuff.

@@flightforensics4523 Yep, you guessed it.

And STUFF THE COMPANY that employs you. It seems that in a world where there are more wannabe pilots than vacancies, pilots will take any job, and keep their heads down, rather than risk their jobs in whistle blowing about safety issues, falsified paperwork, or risking passenger's lives in flying into possibly unsafe airports rather than diverting to alternates because of company pressures/extra fuel costs. Who would YOU rather fly with: low cost (bring yer own flask of coffee & jam butties) or low risk? Would you rather have the pilots who just scraped their commercial licences or the ones who passed with flying colours? One fly-by-night, third rate, third world, family run, flying crap house, low cost killer airline comes to mind.

While that is a true (if banal) observation it's pretty hard not to hurry with the ground coming up to meet ya

@@annnee6818 Well, in this particular case, they would have never had their situation to begin with if they hadn't rushed safety procedures while they were still on the ground.

The MD-80 is a poorly engineered aircraft. See the Alaska jackscrew failure as another example killing everyone on board. They should only be used for freight or banned completely along with all their variants.

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@@WalmartWhite.Why is that funny? Or is that meant to be a crying face?

​@@circuit10look at his name and pfp. clearly bait.

@@xythrrwhy r u making fun of the name

Lol. That is RAF. This Airlines was the bottom line. Go go go

The wearing of thr sign was actually a good way of teaching someone about a mistake (which wouldnt be allowed now as it would be classed as bullying) when you make a mistake in a task you are learning that leads to a personal consequence you tend to not make that mistake very often again and it sinks into to your memory better.

Wow, that’s very sad. Especially considering that the issue the plane turned back for wasn’t the problem that (directly, anyway) doomed the flight.

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A pilot can prevent passengers from disembarking when it's safe to do so??? This sound very wrong. Considering what happened it's redundant but this amounts to kidnap, a very serious crime. Was the pilot insane? Relatives should have sued the airline that employed what sounds like a madman if this is what happened. It's a shame we can't turn back time and get the pilot flung off the plane if he was acting like this, and the other crew members also advised to disembark. If the pilot destroyed the plane and himself that is what an irresponsible airline deserved. He commanded people he had no authority over other than he behaved as though he had to die because of his own arrogance.😠👿.

@@flightforensics4523 Two questions: 1. Who are you replying to? 2. What is the lie and what is your evidence? I have no evidence but am justifiably horrified if this is true. That being said, even if the pilot did not prevent passengers disembarking, but I do wonder why someone would make this up, the pilot showed a lack of professionalism. I've discussed expert error elsewhere on this site. Maybe though he thought it was kinder to keep the passengers cool now the plane was working. His priorities seemed more about schedules and the heat rather than meticulous decision making regarding whether the plane was now safe. He made mistakes, Humans do that. It is horrible to think his maybe hot and bothered mind prevented passengers from escaping, and living. I'm reminded of hearing of a horrific incident in Russia, many decades ago. The pilot was flying a packed passenger plane, and his young son, a passenger, visited him in the cockpit (decades before 9/11! ) The pilot put the plane on auto-pilot, then left his son alone in the cockpit and walked down the aisle, talking to passengers. Well his son did something and the plane stalled onto a steep nosedive I believe. The plane was so unstable the Captain could not make it back to the cockpit in time to save the flight. Everybody on board died in the crash. Somehow I don't think that was what the Captain wanted. Pilots are fallible Humans. As they say with all makes of automobiles, the most dangerous part of any car to date is the nut behind the wheel.

@@delilahtuxedo6993 I think the fellow is saying that a pilot refusing to allow any passenger to disembark when an aircraft is having a mechanical issue of any type is unreasonable and unlikely. I could see airline staff encouraging a passenger to remain on board - but refusing to allow them off of a plane if they insisted to be let off - I also find very hard to believe. Doesn't sound reasonable.

Wow!

That's pretty cool, I'm afraid of planes because I know I will probably not be a survivors, and also because I watch too many of these videos 😢

Something tells me that a life of chronic pain followed

@@AlexandreG Its safe, be scared of cars, not of airplanes, these occasions are extremely rare, and they grow rarer by the year, they learn from close calls, and create regulations to prevent them.

@@thelazerproject dude I know the data, still doesn't stop me from being scared, you got one pilot having a bad day and bye cruel world 1 in 5000000 flights but it psychological fear

Thank you!

And gets on with things - I like the pacing!

Lol that's for sure!!

Oh yea! I found this at 1k subs and planning on being here for a while 👍💯

Same. Subbed

That is indeed a shocking experience.

@@snookerman Sabine Zimmermann was a (in Germany) well-known German TV Anchor-Woman and TV Producer in Crime Stories from the late 1980ies until the first years of the new millenium, who unfortunately died in 2020. There´s also a German Politician named Sabine Zimmermann, she was Member of the Bundestag (German Parliament) from 2005 until 2021 for the Left Party ("Die Linke") - but I don´t think our Poster here is this Sabine Zimmermann. And btw.: This is alltogether off-topic.

It was gods way!

Oh man, I am the same as you. Whenever theres something weird going on with planes I always want to get off to just be safe. I let myself be convinced to stay a few times by family and friends who were less worried but being anxious throughout the whole flight was hell. If I fly alone i‘m pretty sure i‘d be a lot more cautious.

They don’t let you get off the plane

Had something similar, waiting 2 hours in hot plane, then 2-3 hours in waiting area again, because the plane was replaced. Some passengers were so angry… I could not understand. I was so happy they weren’t fly with a plane with obvious technical problems. Yeah, delay is shitty but it is so much better to get later to your destination but SAFE.

Lmao the chances of this happening are so rare. You are overly paranoid this logic is ridiculous

Sounds far-fetched but even so, most crashes happen because such checks aren't duly executed or because of pilot error. Hardly any crash was due to a fault that was being fixed while still on the ground.

With awesome MSFS footage to help with visualizations!

This channel and Disaster Breakdown:-)

Mentor is good. The other one, with the American Pilot, with very short ginger hair, he's terrible. Telling stories in the first person????

What about the one that was that way before this that doesn't have any voice but just has a little bit of text to explain what's going on I like that one just as much

Sob stories?

This fact alone makes me incredibly sad for the victim... They almost avoided death...

I’ve read other comments in this same video talking about how the atmosphere in the airport was already off as well. So eerie

@@louisaamabel708 no offense but every airport seems to be toxic and aggressive. At least in a America

@@Zach-mw5so this was in Madrid ....

How can you be denied the chance to leave the plane if the doors are still open?

That´s a sad experience and an interesting story in once, thank you very much for sharing it.

I immediately thought of Northwest 255 in Detroit

@@TommyB1004 yeah and it's with a similar aircraft type.

Yes, indeed, it was simply Detroit twenty years later.

I'm from argentina and there was a similar accident with an airline called Lapa. There aint many videos in english thou

They literally forgot the most basic thing in a takeoff procedure, deploying flaps

And thought it was a mechanical problem and engineer didn't do his job

Pilots are paid significantly more than most passengers to deal with pressure...

Pilots are SEALED OFF from ALL PASSENGERS. They ONLY listen to ATC!!!

You were on the exact same aircraft as the one in the video? That's crazy.

@@Mortarion6666 I had to say something because the smell of the aircraft fuel was so strong

⁠@@DrogonmoonNot saying it’s your fault, but with all your knowledge on this it could have been important if to warn more people at the airport once you got off your flight. Some staff I’m certain would have cared even if the flight attendant supposedly didn’t, which is very shocking to me. Living in America if you spoke on this and nothing got done, if you at least made a video in the airport and posted it to social media it would gain decent traction within a weeks time. Maybe attendant did tell pilots and they decided to ultimately ignore it, but I would have taken the extra mile to let some staff in some department or at the very least police know my concerns if everyone felt off that I talked to previous.

Thanks! Technically, there is no reason that pulling the circuit breaker should result in a failure of the TOWS, however, the reality is that when the RAT heating element is malfunctioning, it’s sometimes because of a failure which disables both the proper functioning of the RAT heating element, and the TOWS. Very unlucky.

Good, I feel like there should be an automatic massive fine, based on the company size for any fatal accident. This woukd be a power disincentive.

Señor, felicidades, MAD es el centro del mundo entero 😊

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Yeah, it's funny how the job you practice changes how bad it can be. I'm a mailman and it happens to me from time to time. I read a certain adress on a letter or a parcel because I expect it to be a specific one but I'm mistaken. Fortunately, the consequences are not serious at all

Nice idea, but I wonder if it doesn't just lead to more information overload. The pilots are already looking at tons of dials, screens, and digital displays. I don't think adding a couple more screens helps the situation any.

Hopefully ai will be more accurate than humans

@@nullplan01 it doesn’t have to be always on information. your phone can provide seemingly infinite information but it’s up to you if you want to access it.

And who would answer the hundreds of thousand phone calls from people who know nothing about flying an airplane? What would you do when the plane was preparing to take off and the phone rings because Joe Schmuck in Hazard Kentucky has a question about what looks like a big or maybe a loose rivet? Would you abort the take off? This idea would immediately cripple all air travel. Pilots have screen info and indicator lights that tell them component positioning, if they blow past verifying the indicator lights what makes you think they would follow the procedure and look at the camera. All the equipment in the world will not prevent humans from making mistakes and taking short cuts.

I'm thinking that too. If we have them on Tesla vehicles and SoaceX rockets we should have them on planes. No good reason why that should be impossible.

Didn't you watch the video?

@@algorhythm1454I don't need to watch the video I'm a Pilot and never ever miss very basic things like that on take off.No flaps and Nose up on that Aircraft is a recipe for disaster.If you understood the principles of flight and the configuration of those engines on that Aircraft you would understand exactly what I'm talking about, I'll give you a clue Wing Area with zero flaps and how that affects rotation on takeoff.

not good pilots

@@louisdisbury9759 if you think never miss anything, you’re a dangerous pilot.

@@peteconrad2077 Cant Agree I flew Gliders for10 years us guys never miss anything.

Thanks and welcome!

Well said! ⭐️⭐️⭐️⭐️⭐️

Agree 100% I hate them channel's that are dramatic just for the sake of it..

Glad you enjoyed!

The previous video I watched was a Peruvian flight: kzfaq.info/get/bejne/oK-qadmAqc_QoqM.html Unbelievably, they had four altitude outputs (3 in the cockpit and one with ATC) that all relied on the same single sensor. As an engineer also, I cannot believe Boeing just don't understand how to implement duplicity correctly. With watching these videos, I now realise how UNSAFE flight in commercial airliners actually is. There are so many things that are simply disasters waiting to happen :(

"look at what you are touching , and touch what liking at" What the hell is that supposed to mean? Gibberish like that is what kills people.

planes have to take off steep to get above incoming planes and he quicker they can level off the more fuel they save.

@@rosewhite--- please tell me you're joking

Truly, the rest of us could learn A LOT of lessons from how the world of aviation operates.

Thanks! Glad you're liking it.

Nice! Glad you’re enjoying them 😎

Well let's hope no more plane crashes! Its terrifying cannot get off is awful, I dont fly 😥Euro Tunnel way to go

Thank you!

Wow. Thanks for this incredible wisdom Einstein.

“Just never make mistakes” isn’t really a helpful attitude

Appreciate it!

Thank you very much!

Thank you Evan, will do!

Awesome, thank you!

Who?

They were extremely lucky. not only must of there been a high wind the wind must have been coming from the correct direction and angle to help with lift.

I’m delighted to hear that, thank you 😊

Stratospheric salaries?? That’s a very odd claim. What airline was this friend of yours referring to?

​@@longfadeI'm assuming it's a pun on the stratosphere and a reference to their 6 figure salaries.

Thanks Andy

It should be a rule that, if the captain is purposefully ignoring he rule and checklists, the co-pilot can take over that part, or use violance on that captain if the captain is inwilling to cooperate. I don't want to die in the hands of idiots

Thank you! I'll keep this in mind about the pacing.

@@GreenDotAviation Yes mate try to speak a little bit slower. I usually watch videos at 1.25X or 1.5X speed but in this case I had to set speed at 0.75X. First time ever lol. Great video anyway! Thanks

@@GreenDotAviation Yes please. Don't want to miss anything.

Thank you!

Glad you liked it!

Thanks! As long as humans fly planes, there’ll be a psychological element to crashes.

Thank you! I just started it in October, so it’s early days :)

@@GreenDotAviation Well done so far! I'm glad I'm in at the start! I'll share your content on my social media! Can't wait to see your take on all sorts of incidents. Sioux City, Delta 191, Air Florida, especially the job of the helicopter pilot there. I'm looking forward to it!

Thanks, that’d be great! And yes I’ll definitely be covering those at some point.

Thanks :)

@@GreenDotAviation You on took a great deal of care with your words. I admire you. Accurate

I hadn't noticed that, interesting. And thank you.

In Other Countries...DAY/MONTH/YEAR In USA...MONTH/DAY/YEAR When you have People Lives in your Hands...DOUBLE CHECK...TRIPLE CHECK QUADRUPLE CHECK....

Great to hear! I'll keep that in mind about the details.