The Fonts That Broke Germany

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Psychology Of Fonts: 99designs.com/blog/tips/font-...
The Antiqua-Fraktur Dispute: thedabbler.co.uk/2014/09/the-a...
Antiqua/Fraktur: holliross.wordpress.com/2012/...
German Typefaces: penelope.uchicago.edu/~grout/...
Fraktur & Its Legacy: www.typeroom.eu/a-nazi-font-b...
History Of Fraktur: www.waldenfont.com/HistoryofF...
History Of Antiqua: luc.devroye.org/fonts-67112.html
The Printing Press & The Reformation: www.worldhistory.org/article/...
Germany’s Fonts: allaboutberlin.com/guides/ger...

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@NameExplain
@NameExplain 14 күн бұрын
Drop your favourite font in the comments!
@astrawberrypup2729
@astrawberrypup2729 14 күн бұрын
calibri
@sdspivey
@sdspivey 14 күн бұрын
The font of knowledge.
@robertaskazdanas1915
@robertaskazdanas1915 14 күн бұрын
Palemonas, the Lithuanian font regarding the legend about our nations 'Roman' origin, created duting the Renaissance period
@Rosey5858
@Rosey5858 14 күн бұрын
Merriweather (which I was surprised to see in the video)
@typograf62
@typograf62 14 күн бұрын
That depends, but I'm very fond of Garamond typefaces (there are many). Often paired up with Univers (a sans-serif family).
@CZedby
@CZedby 13 күн бұрын
So this is why in the Asterix comics, the Germanian tribes are depicted speaking in a Blackletter typeface? Brilliant!
@HayTatsuko
@HayTatsuko 14 күн бұрын
And let's not forget: Even though these were both printed using metal type, only _one_ of them is truly _Metal._
@deutschermichel5807
@deutschermichel5807 14 күн бұрын
𝖙𝖗𝖚𝖊 𝖋𝖗
@lpschaf8943
@lpschaf8943 12 күн бұрын
best comment
@antlerbraum2881
@antlerbraum2881 3 күн бұрын
And all Hip-Hop from the 1990’s through the late 2000’s.
@Federalissimo
@Federalissimo 14 күн бұрын
1:58 - 2:05 two takes on saying “who by the late 15th century when this font came into being”
@ethanbolt10
@ethanbolt10 13 күн бұрын
I thought my brain glitched when I heard that
@simsandsurgery1
@simsandsurgery1 8 күн бұрын
I thought I was having a stroke there for a moment then I rewound like five seconds and saw that I wasn’t…
@passatboi
@passatboi 14 күн бұрын
Fraktur doesn't come from the fact that the LETTERS aren't joined up. It's because the letters are made with strokes so they look "broken" or "fractured" (gebrochene Schrift), which is where "Fraktur" comes from. You took the pen/quill and made the letters using strokes/edges, not round circles and loops. It's basically a way of writing and it had its own handwriting to go with it (Kurrentschrift). It had ligatures, long and round S and different rules for usage (ex. a word couldn't end with ss - it had to be ß). It's sad that broken script is linked with the 3rd Reich when in fact it existed for centuries before that.
@deutschermichel5807
@deutschermichel5807 14 күн бұрын
Thanks, the mistake annoyed by mildly
@aramisortsbottcher8201
@aramisortsbottcher8201 10 күн бұрын
So many things share the fait of being linked to the Ns besides existing before.
@mm552
@mm552 8 күн бұрын
I wonder how the other 'Gothic' fonts got their names, like Bastard & Schwabacher
@passatboi
@passatboi 8 күн бұрын
@@mm552 Wikipedia has all that information
@mm552
@mm552 8 күн бұрын
@@passatboi Yeah, that makes sense. Not sure why I didn't think of that 😅
@SiqueScarface
@SiqueScarface 13 күн бұрын
Fraktur and its predecessor, Schwabacher, are the reason for German nouns being capitalized. Because Blackletter typefaces have very similar looking and thus not easily distinguishable lower case characters, typesetters were generously using upper case letters to improve readability. With time, this turned into a rule of thumb in typesetting: Use upper case letters for all nouns, and you get a readable page. If you look at woodcut book pages from the 15th century, you can already see the increased use of capitalization, e.g. the prints of Hans Sachs or the earliest Doktor Faustus editions.
@moatl6945
@moatl6945 11 күн бұрын
As a German, reading an old book in Fraktur (or any other old »broken« typeface) is pretty easy for me. But reading old German Cursive is a completely different challenge. The German school fonts of Sütterlin or Koch (Offenbacher) are pretty easy to read, but old Kurrent writing is nearly unreadable for me.
@liamannegarner8083
@liamannegarner8083 14 күн бұрын
I work for a German institute library despite my shaky grasp of the language because I'm the only one who can read Fraktur and old German Cursive, so any book before 1940 goes to me.
@nxtvim2521
@nxtvim2521 13 күн бұрын
that's pretty neat, so you just read aloud and they transliterate it into modern German orthography how different is German cursive from English?
@HeatherLandon227
@HeatherLandon227 12 күн бұрын
Even old magazines were printed in Fraktur.. I've got some pre-WW1 magazines from the Bremen area and WOW. I can read it too.
@aramisortsbottcher8201
@aramisortsbottcher8201 10 күн бұрын
@@nxtvim2521 Oh boy. Look up "Sütterlin" handwriting examples, you will have a hard time reading it. Coincidentally I had to read a Sütterlin sentence this week and this one sentence took me 5 minutes, despite having some experience with it...
@that1niceguy246
@that1niceguy246 10 күн бұрын
​@@nxtvim2521Nowadays not so much, but there were Kurrent and Sütterlin which were essentially old cursive.
@JoJoModding
@JoJoModding 8 күн бұрын
​@@aramisortsbottcher8201The fun fact is that Sütterlin was created in the early 20th century to replace the "old-fashioned" ways of writing cursive they had before then. There's Kurrent which is even harder to read
@FoggyD
@FoggyD 14 күн бұрын
Interesting that Fraktur (emphasis on the last syllable, BTW) has Protestant origins - the only place I see it nowadays outside of museums, period dramas and historical documentaries is... traditional beer festivals in deepest rural - and Catholic - Bavaria!
@rileyfaelan
@rileyfaelan 14 күн бұрын
Definitely not _origins._ Protestants might have made it fashionable, but the stylistic elements that it originates from are centuries older than Luther's blogpost. It might be stretching it a bit, but I'd be sorely tempted to argue that the origins of Fraktur were in the Carolingian Minuscule, a sort of scribal standard that arose and spread in the early years of the Holy Roman Empire, founded 800 CE. That standard, stylised in a particular direction, became a bunch of Blackletter hands, including the ones that we nowadays call Fraktur. Gutenberg then happened to invent a scribe-fast machine, which popularised his personal cultural preference, which happened to be a kind of Fraktur, and for a while, this variety spread much more rapidly than its competitors.
@KaiHenningsen
@KaiHenningsen 14 күн бұрын
Also, Rammstein. Also, biker jackets.
@richiehoyt8487
@richiehoyt8487 14 күн бұрын
You obviously don't listen to a lot of Heavy Metal music! Or '80's Heavy Metal, anyway, so as to capture that kinda _Teutonic_ look! Nowadays most HM bands seem to favour logos that look like they were scratched onto a schoolroom desk. Kinda hard to incorporate goats heads and pentagrams into those "Ölde World~ey" Fraktur/Old English/Gothic style typefaces! Oh and then there must be a gajillion newspaper mastheads... (What's a 'newspaper', Daddy?)
@louismart
@louismart 13 күн бұрын
He said emperor Maximilian created it. Definitely not a Protestant.
@user-wn1dd8ls2u
@user-wn1dd8ls2u 13 күн бұрын
Also, highest abstract algebra books, more precisely Lie algebras
@NBrixH
@NBrixH 14 күн бұрын
Your decision to use “font” instead of typeface, is very topical to your channel. Y’know, with the whole colloquialism.
@Pleezath
@Pleezath 14 күн бұрын
Very true, Most people aren't some sort designer though.
@modmaker7617
@modmaker7617 14 күн бұрын
Meanwhile, Polish has both "czcionka" (native Polish word) and "font" (obviously borrowed from English) which Polish people argue which word is correct as colloquially are interchangeable but according to the Polish Language Council; "czcionka" refers to traditional printing presses while "font" refers to modern digital computers and printers.
@jbw416
@jbw416 14 күн бұрын
i've noticed that most of the research in his videos is quite shallow. he seldom makes a real effort to pronounce words from other languages correctly or source audio clips with the correct pronunciation. with that being said, i enjoy his videos and the fun topics, taking the commentary with a grain of salt.
@NBrixH
@NBrixH 14 күн бұрын
@@jbw416 He already acknowledges that they aren’t correct, and to take them with a grain of salt. He literally says this in a decent amount of videos.
@jbw416
@jbw416 14 күн бұрын
@@NBrixH that's the laziest solution to putting the wrong information in his videos
@Niko_P_Iskanius
@Niko_P_Iskanius 14 күн бұрын
Fraktuura (fraktur) was used in Finland too, and it was used long after many other countries stopped using it. Depending on which places to compare, Finland used Fraktuura 50-100 years longer than others just because people did not know, how to read the latin script. Fraktuura was used in Finland as late as the 1950's. I can read fraktuura, but much slower than latin script.
@deutschermichel5807
@deutschermichel5807 14 күн бұрын
Was Finnish written with this typeface or did Swedish or something dominate scripts?
@Niko_P_Iskanius
@Niko_P_Iskanius 14 күн бұрын
@@deutschermichel5807 both Swedish and Finnish were written with fraktur, but the the usage of it stopped much sooner than with Finnish. Even some Finnish news articles were written with fraktur on the papers. 1900-1950's many news papers had some parts written with fraktur, and some with the latin script. I haven't read Swedish in that style because Finnish is my native language.
@deutschermichel5807
@deutschermichel5807 14 күн бұрын
@@Niko_P_Iskanius does it look ”good” or suitable in your eyes to write Finnish with blackletters?
@Niko_P_Iskanius
@Niko_P_Iskanius 14 күн бұрын
@@deutschermichel5807 yes it does look nice. There is some candy packets that use fraktur. You can google Sisu candy and see for yourself
@jackpayne4658
@jackpayne4658 13 күн бұрын
I recall seeing a repair manual for BMW motorcycles, dating I think from the 1930s, printed in Fraktur. Alongside detailed illustrations of carburettors etc, it looked really weird - like a medieval manuscript about installing washing machines.
@markusd.3426
@markusd.3426 13 күн бұрын
German here, complaining about your pronunciation: The U ind Fraktur is long, more like "frucktour". When I am shopping for old books, I enjoy the fact that You can distinguish the old ones from the really old ones just by their fonts.
@aquilla2.087
@aquilla2.087 4 күн бұрын
The U is short
@kristian8962
@kristian8962 4 күн бұрын
@@aquilla2.087 Nope
@Furienna
@Furienna 14 күн бұрын
It is really not weird at all that H preferred Antiqua since he was really from Austria and raised as a Roman-Catholic. So he wouldn't have had any strong feelings for Fraktur, that was more linked to Protestant Germany.
@ulrichhartmann4585
@ulrichhartmann4585 14 күн бұрын
Fraktur was used by Catholics and Protestants likewise.
@deutschermichel5807
@deutschermichel5807 14 күн бұрын
​Yes, I donʼt get where Name Explain got this Catholic-Protestant dichotomy in regards to typeface from. Fraktur was used by Catholics, too@@ulrichhartmann4585
@Furienna
@Furienna 13 күн бұрын
@@ulrichhartmann4585 Perhaps, but I thought that this video said that the typefaces were associated with different denominations.
@deutschermichel5807
@deutschermichel5807 13 күн бұрын
@@Furienna... yes because Name Explain lied bruh. I am convinced that he didnʼt want to lie, tho
@highgrounder5238
@highgrounder5238 10 күн бұрын
You can say Hitler you know
@dorderre
@dorderre 14 күн бұрын
I as a german happen to be able to read Fraktur (in print, at least), bcs our family still has two ancient cook books, one from 1937 and one from 1886. Quite a number (not all) of these recipes we still use today.
@HalfEye79
@HalfEye79 14 күн бұрын
I also can read Fraktur quite well without having such a book. My grandmother used to writed the lowercase z in Sütterlin, another typeface. With this I learned (a bit) about the moonphases because the "z" in Sütterlin from "zunehmen" looked like a crescent moon.
@dorderre
@dorderre 14 күн бұрын
@@HalfEye79 Ah yes, the old german "A" with the big arc on the left like the "Abnehmende Mond/waning moon" and the old german "Z" with its big arc on the right like the "Zunehmende Mond/waxing moon". I learned that from my granny as well :)
@johnsavard7583
@johnsavard7583 13 күн бұрын
In Germany, the term Antiqua is often used to describe all Roman typefaces like Times Roman or Century Expanded. Also, it's easier to spell the German language with the Fraktur style of typefaces because they still have the "long s", but, of course, it's perfectly possible to have a long s in a Roman typeface as well.
@__lasevix_
@__lasevix_ 14 күн бұрын
1:58 scratch take left in
@dfs-comedy
@dfs-comedy 14 күн бұрын
Whereas in the US, we have the Comic Sans MS vs Calligraffiti Conflict.
@Tailikku1
@Tailikku1 14 күн бұрын
Comic Sans actually looks better than Calligraffiti because it's at least readable kzfaq.info/get/bejne/fbtzlrKT3K_Xf6c.html
@dfs-comedy
@dfs-comedy 13 күн бұрын
@@Tailikku1 HERETIC!!!! 😜
@carlislenash6111
@carlislenash6111 14 күн бұрын
Please make a video about vocal fry! It is painfully obvious to me that after almost every every word that ends in a vocalized consonant or a vowel, you intrude a creaky schwa. I.e. too-uh, Germany-uh, language-uh; it even goes creaky on words that end in nasalized consonants. Protestantism-h. It would be interesting to see possible causes of this
@jasnostj
@jasnostj 8 күн бұрын
Exactly, so weird and annoying
@PurelyCoincidental
@PurelyCoincidental 14 күн бұрын
My understanding of H's promotion of "Latin" typefaces was that he wanted Germany to be taken seriously on the world stage, and he didn't think that would be possible if no one else could read their writing. Pretty valid argument, I think. (I had to learn to read Fraktur for my master's work, but I admit I haven't read into its history in a while.)
@donatist59
@donatist59 13 күн бұрын
I did my MA on early 20th century German history and had to work with index cards typed by librarians who couldn't read Fraktur. I remember one index card book title that included the words "Unferes Fozialen Brogramms". 😅
@PurelyCoincidental
@PurelyCoincidental 13 күн бұрын
@@donatist59 Lol, I think my favorite in Fraktur was the "tz" at the end of words that could look like a tiny capital B.
@edi9892
@edi9892 14 күн бұрын
Two things to point out: 1) Some of these fonts were optimized to save space when writing a book. My favorite Fraktur font is a good example of being both aesthetically pleasing and legible even when compact: kingthings calligraphica. It's a bit of a modern blend making it easier to read for us today, but it really keeps the overall aesthetics... 2) During the time of the dispute, handwriting changed as well. I can't read the handwriting of my grandparents! Meanwhile, I can read Fraktur fairly well. Speaking of the latter, Umlaute, scharfes S, etc. play a role as well in the transition. Sadly, I can't show them or their development in this comment. PS: The Antiqua-script you found is my favorite of the ones you used.
@romad357
@romad357 13 күн бұрын
This is a test to see if I can type an umlaut using its defined MacOS keystroke Cmd-u Nope, YT rejects it.
@pjl22222
@pjl22222 9 күн бұрын
Command U is undo. I think you're looking for option U which only works on certain keyboard layouts. On others you press option U then either the letter you want umlauted or space if you just want a naked umlaut.
@stephenkneller6435
@stephenkneller6435 14 күн бұрын
You should do a video on Kurrent or Sütterlin handwriting used in Germany. That makes Fraktur look easy to read.
@deutschermichel5807
@deutschermichel5807 14 күн бұрын
I honestly donʼt think he should. I appreciate his work on yt but he (consciously) makes so many oversimplifications that important details get brushed over. For example Fraktur is not nor was it ever a particularly protestant typeface
@stephenkneller6435
@stephenkneller6435 14 күн бұрын
@@deutschermichel5807 I have many Lutheran books in Fraktur, so…. 🤪 Just kidding. What I found a little annoying was the suggestion that Fraktur can be difficult to read. I am an American, whose native language is English. Granted, I have worked with Fraktur for nearly 30 years, and have many books printed in it. Yet my German sister-in-law cannot read it easily, if at all. Put anything in Kurrent or Sütterlin in front of her, and she channels Satan in German basically telling me no sane person would have a clue to what those scribbles are. Which thinking of it, I think I think I should start writing her letters in Sütterlin for instructions on family events. But I digress. On a side note, I personally do like Fraktur. Not because some of the German reasons it dominated for so long, but rather for its artistic presentation, as well as its uniqueness in modernity. Let me tell you, you haven’t read the Bible until you read it in its original Fraktur print. (Sorry, a poor joke based on a Star Trek reference.) kzfaq.info/get/bejne/ftlzidiAlt_Jepc.htmlsi=KhcbapqI9UgIwo5v
@deutschermichel5807
@deutschermichel5807 13 күн бұрын
@@stephenkneller6435 lol When I mentioned to my Latin teacher that I read a hundred years old Lutheran Bible printed in Fraktur, she told me to just go read the Latin Vulgate already 😂
@rileyfaelan
@rileyfaelan 13 күн бұрын
It's probably just a matter of exposure. I find Fraktur (and other kinds of blackletter) easy to read (in my head, their letterforms' skeletons are close enough to modern popular Latin script letterforms to recognise at glance; Schwabacher generally being closer to what I'm used to than High Fraktur), I can also read Sütterlin easily, sometimes with a bit of effort, but I often really can't make heads or tails out of Kurrent. And that's probably because my local library used to have a couple of old books typeset in Fraktur or Schwabacher, Sütterlin is reasonably close to the modern 'European cursive' hand that I learnt as a child, and my exposure to Kurrent has been brief enough for my brain not to learn to recognise its patterns just yet. => If you need to read (or write) any of these, it's probably just a matter of some practice, not a significant inherent complexity.
@Matzu-Music
@Matzu-Music 13 күн бұрын
Wait until you see Marx's handwriting. A doctor saw it and gave up trying to read it.
@TheHollowBodiesBand
@TheHollowBodiesBand 14 күн бұрын
It appears that you've recently gotten to pronounce an intrusive vowel at the end of words. Your "being" now sounds as "being-uh", "language" as "language-uh". I don't recall hearing that quirk in your previous videos, at least from a couple years ago
@DawnDavidson
@DawnDavidson 12 күн бұрын
That’s been happening for at least six months or so. Maybe more. I agree that it is a bit of an annoying quirk.
@Sebasstiano
@Sebasstiano 9 күн бұрын
Is a UK thing? There was a contestant (Dana) on Great British Bake-off last season who spoke in the exact same way…
@maikehudson6561
@maikehudson6561 9 күн бұрын
Very off-putting.
@jasnostj
@jasnostj 8 күн бұрын
Not to mention the vocal fry. I always feel people who speak like that are trying to prove something.
@robbicu
@robbicu 14 күн бұрын
There were many German language newspapers in the US before WWI. They used fraktur and printed on heavy, shiny paper, quite different than their English language papers from the same city.
@wookie2222
@wookie2222 14 күн бұрын
A while ago at university I had to work with a school book for Latin from the 50s. Of course the German parts were in Fraktur, the Latin words and texts were in Latin font and it had some sprinkles of Ancient Greek - of course in Greek letters. Even many Germans struggled to read the Fraktura-parts, but for some students from East Asia or other European Countries it was very hard.
@rileyfaelan
@rileyfaelan 14 күн бұрын
Tirritate them with Katakana Fraktur. 😸
@deutschermichel5807
@deutschermichel5807 14 күн бұрын
I love texts that have German written in Fraktur, Latin written in Antiqua, Greek written in Greek letters. I have like four Latin school books like this at home
@OneAngryVelociraptor
@OneAngryVelociraptor 8 күн бұрын
I never understood how people can have issues with reading Fraktur. Like every letter looks like its supposed to except the lowercase x.
@wookie2222
@wookie2222 8 күн бұрын
@@OneAngryVelociraptor The lowercase f and s can sometimes look alike.
@robertweissburg5504
@robertweissburg5504 13 күн бұрын
One big miss for me in this video is that the only words in either font you showed were the font names themselves. Seeing the same paragraph in each font would have been useful in comparing them.
@nlpnt
@nlpnt 14 күн бұрын
I wonder what the connection between this Latin-German dispute and the invention of the Helvetica (the very name means Swiss) font which was adopted worldwide as clean, modern and legible in the 1960s.
@HotelPapa100
@HotelPapa100 13 күн бұрын
Antiqua is not at all like handwriting. The upper case fonts were designed to be chiselled in stone. Minuskel was a nod to writing with a quill, but still deduced from the chiselled letters. Fraktur OTOH took its design from the practicalities of writing with a broad cut quill. It also was designed to give an evenly filled look on the page. It stems from the practice of writing books by hand.
@donatist59
@donatist59 13 күн бұрын
2:30 and to illustrate how Fraktur doesn't use ligatures, the example uses a ligature.
@oberstraphry
@oberstraphry 13 күн бұрын
I enjoy reading Fraktur books, feels artistic.
@jfftck
@jfftck 14 күн бұрын
It is dumb that the use of certain words demonetizes a channel, there are reasons why using them is acceptable and that should be considered - but we don’t want to use resources to justify content. Also, I don’t like any typeface that looks like either one of these, I find them much more difficult to read than is necessary. I am glad that modern typefaces, while being less flashy, are very legible when viewed from large distances.
@Glockas
@Glockas 14 күн бұрын
"I dont read German books in Latin letters" surely if I can see the irony of that statement, Bismarck one of the greatest statesmen of all time could as well right?
@martinbruhn5274
@martinbruhn5274 14 күн бұрын
It's weird to constantly be told, how Germany is a protestant country, while I'm here in southern Germany (not bavaria), where everybody is catholic. It's not only the south, the west is predominantly catholic too. Germany is way less protestant, than a lot of people (including some northern/eastern germans) think and way more catholic.
@MoLauer
@MoLauer 14 күн бұрын
But we are still more...
@chrisoneill3999
@chrisoneill3999 14 күн бұрын
Germans tend to imagine they invented Protestantism (it was actually the Czechs). A bit like Lager (also a Czech invention).
@__lasevix_
@__lasevix_ 14 күн бұрын
​@@chrisoneill3999 wasn't the Protestant shift mainly based around Martin Luther? As far as I know he was German.
@deutschermichel5807
@deutschermichel5807 14 күн бұрын
​@@chrisoneill3999so we can blame protestantism on the Czech 🤫
@martinbruhn5274
@martinbruhn5274 13 күн бұрын
@@chrisoneill3999 No, protestantism was invented by the Hugenots. Or is Christianity perhaps a protestantism of judaism? Seriously, arguments like these are entirely pointless. Martin Luther invented Lutheranism, I think we can say that for sure, but claims like "we invented beer" or "we invented not liking the pope" are nonsensical, because there have always been people (christians) not liking the pope and organizing around that ever since the pope, just like people have basically always made alcohol out of grains, ever since grains. Something like Lager beer, or Protestantism didn't come out of nowhere, so there can't be a definite, single inventor of it. Even for something like the light bulb or the telephone, seemingly every country on earth has "their guy", who is supposedly the inventor of it. Because there actually isn't "the one" inventor, but a series of step by step innovations around the technology, that included lots of people from lots of nations, without just "the one" inventor being part of that. A more recent example is the internet, same story.
@williamjones7163
@williamjones7163 13 күн бұрын
I used to set printing type with actual pieces of printing type. The style of the type face was called a font. Then things changed when I started electronic typesetting. Instead of individual pieces of type, copy was set electronically. Copy was printed out photographically and then pasted down on cardboard boards. While still referring to the style of the lettering as fonts, the term typeface be came more commom.
@KitsuneKaitoSai
@KitsuneKaitoSai 14 күн бұрын
I didnt knew that before, thanks for making the video. The more you know 🌠
@deutschermichel5807
@deutschermichel5807 14 күн бұрын
Name Explain: “the fonts were split between Catholicism and Protestantism” Also Name Explain: * shows a Catholic text written in Gothic blackletters *
@EmryssMacLeod
@EmryssMacLeod 14 күн бұрын
Im curious why your other video got demonitized. Seems youtube preys only on small channels.
@BalticNixe1234
@BalticNixe1234 14 күн бұрын
The AI ​​that YT uses cannot distinguish for what purpose this designation is used. Whether it is an argument for or against, or, as in this case, a historical fact. And size advertising partners, for example, don't want their advertising to be shown in front of, say, a Nazi channel. The ceator can then have his videos checked and re-activated by YT, but this takes several days and then most of the clicks are through and thus the option to earn money with the video.
@jovanweismiller7114
@jovanweismiller7114 10 күн бұрын
My Grandmother's Swedish language prayer book from the late 19th century was printed in Fraktur.
@dcarbs2979
@dcarbs2979 14 күн бұрын
Great video. I'm studying typography as part of a graphic design course. In particular blackletter typefaces and their origins, but also Swiss-Style and up to modern day. Interesting that Bismark's picture has a very modern sans serif font in the sign behind him. Both these fronts were very old by the time it was taken.
@abendsonnewarriorcats9474
@abendsonnewarriorcats9474 9 күн бұрын
The Pronounciation of Fraktur, as Flaktur is really interesting
@arcuscotangens
@arcuscotangens 14 күн бұрын
I always loved Fraktur, and even learned reading it in my teens. And now you're telling me it's associated with Bismarck? What a shame.
@deutschermichel5807
@deutschermichel5807 14 күн бұрын
It really isnʼt. Bismarck took the nationalist German side of the dispute. But saying Antiqua was Latin and Catholic while Fraktur was German and Protestant is simply a lie
@OneAngryVelociraptor
@OneAngryVelociraptor 8 күн бұрын
What do you have against Bismarck?
@arcuscotangens
@arcuscotangens 8 күн бұрын
@@OneAngryVelociraptor Mainly that he made German unification impossible for the foreseeable future, and that he set up a way too intricate system that nobody could have maintained for long.
@balaam_7087
@balaam_7087 9 күн бұрын
I watched this during my flight to Antigua; I found it to be a font of knowledge that helped mend my fractured understanding of the subject.
@MooImABunny
@MooImABunny 13 күн бұрын
In math, some of us like to use Fraktur to notate the real and imaginary parts of a complex number. This isn't ubiquitous, you'll see Re(z), Im(z) with the same fonts, but I personally like to write Re and Im in fraktur
@JayTemple
@JayTemple 12 күн бұрын
I haven't seen them used that way, but I've seen R and C set in Fraktur to represent the sets of real and complex numbers, respectively.
@jezusbloodie
@jezusbloodie 10 күн бұрын
These are the symbols I got thought to use for sets, ℝ (Unicode: U+211D) set of real numbers ⅈ (U+2148) set of imaginary numbers ℂ (U+2102) set of complex numbers ℕ (U+2115) set of natural numbers ℚ (U+211A) set of rational numbers ℤ (U+2124) set of integers There are also , ℍ and ℙ, in the letterlike block and ⅅ, ⅆ, ⅇ and ⅉ in the double struck italic math block but I'm insure what sets those were, if any at all. It's been a while
@EJJunkill
@EJJunkill 14 күн бұрын
As a former graphic artist/typography guy, I LOVED this video. So darned interesting! My faves are Baskerville and maybe Garamond. Or Palatino. I also like Century for some things
@Jean-FrancoisBilodeau
@Jean-FrancoisBilodeau 7 күн бұрын
Great video!
@Alias_Anybody
@Alias_Anybody 13 күн бұрын
Does anyone know more about H's preference for Antiqua? Where did it come from?Because Austrian newspapers seemingly still largely used Fraktur in both 1914 and 1930, but NOT in 1945. Which means they stopped using it because of H and not the other way around.
@that1niceguy246
@that1niceguy246 10 күн бұрын
I heard that it was because it is easier to read than fraktur to foreigners.
@nacaclanga9947
@nacaclanga9947 8 күн бұрын
From a German perspective Fraktur was easier to read, because it had certain constructs that helped with grouping the letters correctly, particular in compound words, which is why it was simply the standard typeface for things like newspapers back then. (There is a similar reason why newspapers and books still consistently employ typefaces with serifs up to this day). Hitler generally favored geometry based eastatics, which is very evident when you look into the building projects commisioned. As such he personally prefered Aniqua over Fraktur. However he was faced with the issue that in a political context, Aniqua fonts, in particular the relativly new sans-serif, where more associated with the political left and many of his associates and party members prefered Fraktur, in particular the "sans-serif Fraktur" styles that became popular a few years before the Nazi-takeover. For this reason he sidesteped the issue until 1944 when the "normal font decree" was issued. In this decree Fraktur fronts where labled as "Jewish" (a bullshit excuse to not having to give a meaningfull reason.) and where to be phased out in both goverment use and eductation. After the war, the allied occupation forces had little love for Fraktur because they themselves found it difficult to read and as such also promoted antiqua. Politically all forces wanted to associate more with the pre-war left and thus used antiqua. Given that sans-serif Fraktur fonts where also very associated with the Nazi era, they stopped being used in advertisment and such. It was this combination of factors that effectivly killed Fraktur.
@OneAngryVelociraptor
@OneAngryVelociraptor 8 күн бұрын
2 main reasons. 1. He liked being wrong. 2. Hes austrian (which may be connected to 1.)
@RichelieuUnlimited
@RichelieuUnlimited 7 күн бұрын
Sadly in Antiqua/modern fonts ſ isn’t commonly used, leading to some problems in distinguishing between certain words in German. Common examples are ‚Wachs-tube‘ and ‚Wach-stube‘, ‚Krei-schen‘ and ‚Kreis-chen‘ and ‚Ver-sen-dung‘ and ‚Vers-en-dung‘ that are all written the same way, but have different pronunciations and unrelated meanings.
@Cesarius894
@Cesarius894 14 күн бұрын
Both are beautiful fonds
@roderichemnetrand6423
@roderichemnetrand6423 13 күн бұрын
How come your perculiar pronunciation of the end of words, e. g. language-eh, Germany-eh, word-eh, Napoleon-eh, identity-eh?
@nobe8652
@nobe8652 13 күн бұрын
OMG, I was about to leave the same comment. So curious about his peculiar accent.
@jordanwardan7588
@jordanwardan7588 6 күн бұрын
yooo did you write the Antiqua/Fraktur/Shwabacher fonts yourself?? excellent work! clean calligraphy
@myragroenewegen5426
@myragroenewegen5426 14 күн бұрын
I remember there being a scandle a while back about a bus in Germany that had some nationalist and exclusionary statement in the window written in blackletter and was taken as a sort of hostile message to visible minorities who might get on the bus. I forget the key details of what it said exactly, but a major part of the horrified public reaction hinged not only on the words themselves, but on the kind of callback to German identity that using the font evoked. I do remember clearly that here ANY form of blackletter was seen as a facist dog whistle - not just fraktur or antiqua. It seems that the use of blackletter fonts in Germany, outside contexts where there is some other contextual explanation is still associated with callback to past German facism.
@deutschermichel5807
@deutschermichel5807 13 күн бұрын
Sounds like the mainstream should conquer back blackletters typefaces! ✊
@se6369
@se6369 13 күн бұрын
Germany is paranoid about nazism, also when it makes no sense
@lpschaf8943
@lpschaf8943 12 күн бұрын
​@deutschermichel5807 true
@TimeLapseSweden
@TimeLapseSweden 14 күн бұрын
This was very interesting.
@robinl4975
@robinl4975 14 күн бұрын
I actually really like the Fraktur-font 😅
@sevenisus5378
@sevenisus5378 14 күн бұрын
Cool video
@andreasrehn7454
@andreasrehn7454 10 күн бұрын
It is still used for many street names in Germany.
@robertwilloughby8050
@robertwilloughby8050 14 күн бұрын
You need to do Railway Alphabet and Transport for your next typeface/font examination.
@RenardoJS
@RenardoJS 14 күн бұрын
What a fascinating story... i learned something today!
@DaveSCameron
@DaveSCameron 14 күн бұрын
If you haven’t already been to Germany I would highly encourage you not to miss the experience of a lifetime and I am not exaggerating either. I travelled to koln for a contract in the Fordwerke factory for a year or so and my dad had already worked over there in the 1980s but still nothing made me ready for the experience, the people, culture etc everything.🎚️
@DeclanMBrennan
@DeclanMBrennan 13 күн бұрын
Both these typefaces seem like they would be at home with pen and ink *calligraphy* before the invention of printing. The letters have wide and narrow bits depending on the orientation of the nib. My heart goes out to the countless generations of school children who spent many a boring hour having to copy text in these typefaces from blackboard to exercise book.
@dorkomatic
@dorkomatic 10 күн бұрын
This was utterly fascinating. And I imagine this is the background to the rise of the Modern and Humanist typefaces? (And even explains why they're called 'Humanist')
@nienke7713
@nienke7713 4 күн бұрын
If you're keen on doing more videos about fonts/typefaces, Gaelic type might be another good one
@nngnnadas
@nngnnadas 10 күн бұрын
It's worth noting that the Romans didn't have minuscule letters. So the part of Antiqua you see the most is actually from the Carolingian period. Which would make them pretty dark-aged and German.
@secco1908
@secco1908 9 күн бұрын
I use Berlin Type
@insuspence
@insuspence 14 күн бұрын
I spent a year in Germany and whenever I tried to read an inscription on an old statue or plaque I literally couldn't cause the font made reading a foreign language nearly impossible
@deutschermichel5807
@deutschermichel5807 14 күн бұрын
As a German I respectfully donʼt get how anyone canʼt read it. I mean, just read lol. I see how the fancy fractured (broken) nature of the letters might confuse the eyes of the reader but is it so hard to focus on the lettersʼ core form. Every letter of Fraktur (except maybe x, y but they are pretty much non-existant in German) looks basically like the Antiqua version but a little fancier
@OneAngryVelociraptor
@OneAngryVelociraptor 8 күн бұрын
​@@deutschermichel5807We germans cant have problems with it because we know the words and you only need to recognize like every 3rd letter of a word to read a language you speak fluently. The thing is foreigners arent as familiar with the words so they actually need to read the individual letters to figure out whats written there.
@marioa.l.2665
@marioa.l.2665 9 күн бұрын
I find it interesting that despite Germany's attitude to it, Austria still frequently uses Fraktur on shop signs or street signs.
@OneAngryVelociraptor
@OneAngryVelociraptor 8 күн бұрын
I wish we still used it in germany. It looks pretty, has a lot of history and the french cant read it. Its literally the perfect typeface.
@robinbaylor2672
@robinbaylor2672 5 күн бұрын
My mother used to get letters from German relatives in a script that she called chicken scratch, but from looking around the internet, I believe it was Sutterlein. (Said relatives were her parents’ generation and learned to write before WWI.
@mahuhude
@mahuhude 14 күн бұрын
Faktur is a category of fonts. Schwabacher is one of them - but not the predecessor of all of them. Also the catholics used Fraktur, but all users of it used antiqua fonts for foreign words. This „preserving the readability of older books“ didn’t hold back from switching to fraktura. It’s quite easy to read both types and it was a common ability for centuries. The dispute in praxis effected the public not before the late 19th or early 20th century.
@cpt_nordbart
@cpt_nordbart 8 күн бұрын
I learned reading with very old books is Fraktur Fonts. In the early 90s in a very small school in Germany. A skill I still have. I hope there wasn't too much stuff that was relevant between 1933 to 1945 in them.
@jeremyboyce7921
@jeremyboyce7921 14 күн бұрын
There are a few typefaces that are favorites; News Gothic, GE Inspira, Bahnschrift, and Highway Gothic. Fonts convey emotions so it's hard to choose just one.
@Sacto1654
@Sacto1654 14 күн бұрын
And also, we have the issue of the _Sütterlin_ handwriting script kind of thrown into this debate at times. In fact, I'm not sure if modern Germans can clearly read the Fraktur typeface unless they had some schooling in 2024.
@leiocera2433
@leiocera2433 14 күн бұрын
2:02 editing mistake LMAO
@bezzquik
@bezzquik 14 күн бұрын
I thought I was having a stroke for a sec
@JeraldEvans
@JeraldEvans 14 күн бұрын
@@bezzquiko was just about to say this!
@simsandsurgery1
@simsandsurgery1 8 күн бұрын
I, a former playbill publisher, am deeply offended by the assumption I didn’t give a lot of thought to the font of each playbill. I always tried to choose one I felt respected the character of each show…
@smoothbeak
@smoothbeak 12 күн бұрын
This is quite fascinating because not only does it discuss typography, but also history and identify
@carlosdumbratzen6332
@carlosdumbratzen6332 8 күн бұрын
Man reading Kurrentschrift is a pain in the ass and I love it when they swap from German to Latin, because then the writing is easier to decifer :D
@EnricoEngelmann
@EnricoEngelmann 5 күн бұрын
When I was a child I used the old English-German dictionary of my father which still the German version of the words written in Fraktur. In reality it is not so difficult to understand it, as long as you already know the language. At the beginning you have to guess some letters, but in a short time you recognize them without any problem.
@madisonhasson8981
@madisonhasson8981 8 күн бұрын
As a foreigner, being able to read Fraktur font gave me a huge level of credibility with the Germans when I lived in Germany.
@joeaverage3444
@joeaverage3444 12 күн бұрын
You should have included the DIN 1451 font family in your video, which is THE de facto font of all things official in Germany now, from road signs to decals on German trains.
@moondust2365
@moondust2365 14 күн бұрын
Fun Fact: After Fraktur was banned, because Antiqua was starting to be seen as old-fashioned anyway and sans-serif fonts were starting to become popular, one particular font grew in popularity in Germany: Futura. It sorta signified a transition to a more modern, "futuristic" Germany, afaik...
@C_B_Hubbs
@C_B_Hubbs 9 күн бұрын
We must acknowledge the inconsistency here. If they truly wanted to use a German writing style and script, then neither Fractur nor Antiqua would fulfill that requirement, and they are both still using the Roman-originated Latin script and alphabet. If they truly wanted to use something of German origin, they would use Germanic Runes, which like Latin was originally adapted from Greek letters, but is a script unique to the Germanic languages, and was only phased out and replaced by Latin letters (regardless of "font") by Christians/Catholics in the 9th-14th centuries, depending on location (obviously southern Germany & Netherlands were influenced earlier than Norway, Iceland, etc.) so if Latin Catholic influence is what they want to avoid, then the only truly German writing system of any kind must be Runes. I think it would be a wonderful thing to see that script be revived even in the 21st century to be used by various Germanic languages; the same with all indigenously developed writing systems that were displaced by the Latin script.
@Marcel-NiclasWarncke
@Marcel-NiclasWarncke 9 күн бұрын
German cursive is influenced by runes.
@cocotoni1977
@cocotoni1977 8 күн бұрын
It amazes me to no end that a country was ready to throw away centuries of their written word because of this dispute. Today this divide prevents people from accessing the literal masterpieces written just a century ago, if they do not put in lots of effort to learn the forgotten script. Likewise with reading letters their grandparents wrote in Sütterlinschrift or before that in Kurrentschrift.
@typograf62
@typograf62 14 күн бұрын
Well, it almost fractured the nation.
@deutschermichel5807
@deutschermichel5807 14 күн бұрын
lol but only politicians like Otto von Bismarck and intellectuals cared
@christopherbentley7289
@christopherbentley7289 12 күн бұрын
For some decades I have had a 'Der Brockhaus Atlas' from 1937, partially written in Fraktur, that gives it a period charm. There is a rather bizarre juxtaposition in the illustration captions in the History section of Fraktur with a regular serif font when referring to Admiral Seymour's command during the Boxer Rebellion of 1900, "The Germans to the front", that not being in Fraktur, possibly because English written in Fraktur would be just wrong. I had no idea about that dichotomy between Antiqua/Roman Catholicism and Fraktur/Protestantism, so thanks for covering that, Patrick. I do have to concur, however, with some comments here regarding your pronunciation, which can get quite distracting at times. You do need to control it a little better. I also find it strange that simply mentioning 'Nazis' and 'Hitler', in any context, can get a KZfaq channel de-monetised. That seems extremely draconian and stifling.
@nacaclanga9947
@nacaclanga9947 8 күн бұрын
The reason for this is that Fraktur and Aniqua where not seen as two seperate typefaces but as different scripts, as such the situation is more akin to what you today have in Serbia, where the language can be written in both Latin and Cyrillic, but of course this wouldn't extend to other languaages.
@christopherbentley7289
@christopherbentley7289 8 күн бұрын
@@nacaclanga9947 That's extremely interesting that you should have brought up the matter of Serbian, as that brings back an argument I had with somebody elsewhere on KZfaq who was trying to make out that Slovak was nothing more than a dialect of Czech, which is simply not the case. They actually added that Serbian and Croatian were much more different from each other than were Czech and Slovak, which further mystified me, as I'd long been under the impression that Serbian and Croatian are effectively the same language - ie., Serbo-Croat - the only difference being that the former is written in Cyrillic, while the latter is written in Latin. If Serbian can indeed be written in Latin, too, that makes Serbian and Croatian yet closer to each other.
@totalCoolerUsername
@totalCoolerUsername 10 күн бұрын
As person being raised with german as mother language, I always struggle to read old fracture texts without inner monologue with speech deficit 😂😅
@Kameliius
@Kameliius 9 күн бұрын
Its true, almost nobody I know can read Fraktur, but whatever reason, I can. Mostly because I used to read old books
@m4rloncha
@m4rloncha 14 күн бұрын
Hello everyone! Recently and almost by pure coincidence I have been doing something related to Fraktur in it's more natural meaning of a font... I'm talking about how Germans did handwritting. And it seems that they didn't only saw the Fraktur/Black letter fonts as a weird way to type stuff on paper but also their handwritten version of the letters changed a lot to what we're used today. I'm specifically talking about Kurrentschrift. That later was simplified to Sütterlin and then Offenbacher made it's own version but never got the recognition... Also, thanks to Kurrentshcrift and it's versions is that "ẞß" exists! Since the Eszett is a ligature of the "long s"/ "ſ" and and cursive "z" / "ʒ". Also the Umlauts! As "Ää", "Öö" and "Üü" were initially written as , and ... The lowercase "e" started to come on top of the past letter (Just like "Ññ" was initially ). But, if you already have seen Kurrentschrift, you have noticed that the lowercase "e" looks like 2 lines or rather two 1's. So initially they were 2 lines but after some time they got simplified to the dots we know today. Isn't that interesting?! I think it should be a good point to comment in this video or another specifically because all old documents written by hand before "That" event you've talk about at the end of the video were written in Kurrentschrift! And even today we can find some resemblence of this on some stores and cultural stuff on Germany. Personally I do like how Strongly German those letters look and how rather easy they are to write with!
@deutschermichel5807
@deutschermichel5807 14 күн бұрын
Yes
@domenstrmsek5625
@domenstrmsek5625 7 күн бұрын
as slovenian historian we studied fraktur and i quite hard to read becouse some letters like i and t are wierd
@Hoehlenmaensch
@Hoehlenmaensch 13 күн бұрын
editing error at 1:58 sorry if that bothers you now. just thought i point it out
@mitchelmodine9197
@mitchelmodine9197 14 күн бұрын
I have a replica of Luther’s Bible (vol 2 of 2) in Fraktur
@silvialittlewolf
@silvialittlewolf 14 күн бұрын
Good grief. I'm almost 60, German, and had never heard of the Antiqua-Fraktur dispute until now. Embarrassing! Thank you for educating me! :) BTW, I find Fraktur impossible to read. :s
@deutschermichel5807
@deutschermichel5807 14 күн бұрын
Wie kann man das nicht lesen? Lies! Erkennen Sie einfach die Grundform der Buchstaben und lassen Sie sich nicht vom Geschnörkel verwirren! Im Grunde sieht jeder Buchstabe ob Fraktur oder Antiqua gleich aus
@michaelneuwirth3414
@michaelneuwirth3414 14 күн бұрын
Ja, denn mir ging es ebenso und das S-Problem hat mich ebenfalls immer gestört. Ich habe auch bei mittelalterlichen Texten angenommen, dass sie in Fraktur verfasst sind, doch wenn man genauer hinschaut, bemerkt man erst die unterschiedlichen Schrifttypen, die sich Textura oder Schwabacher nennen.
@deutschermichel5807
@deutschermichel5807 14 күн бұрын
@@michaelneuwirth3414 aber welches S-Problem? Am Anfang oder inmitten einer Silbe schreibt man ſ, am Ende einer Sibe schreibt man s. Doppel-s inmitten eines Wortes wird geschrieben wie bei Waſſer, und am Ende einer Silbe wie in wäßrig.
@dutertefan
@dutertefan 10 күн бұрын
OCR has problems with fraktur but it is pretty logical when you get used to it.
@PugalshishOfficial
@PugalshishOfficial 14 күн бұрын
I don't know of anyone else is like this, but I'm able to read words written in fraktur better than I am in any other font
@deutschermichel5807
@deutschermichel5807 14 күн бұрын
Same
@lpschaf8943
@lpschaf8943 12 күн бұрын
same
@robinrehlinghaus1944
@robinrehlinghaus1944 10 күн бұрын
I literally have my phone set to it and my handwriting kind of looks like it too
@lpschaf8943
@lpschaf8943 9 күн бұрын
@@robinrehlinghaus1944 same
@deutschermichel5807
@deutschermichel5807 9 күн бұрын
@@robinrehlinghaus1944 cool! What do you mean your handwriting looks a little like Fraktur? Are you writing not cursive?
@00Mandy00
@00Mandy00 13 күн бұрын
I remember when books had a page that acknowledged the typeface.
@jonadabtheunsightly
@jonadabtheunsightly 6 күн бұрын
Fraktur is so ugly, it's almost a grunge font. Honestly, my favorite font is Bitstream Vera Sans Mono; but this is partly because I do enough technical stuff that it is absolutely essential that my main font A) be fixed-width / monospaced (as opposed to proportional) and B) make each and every printable ASCII character visually distinguishable at a glance from every other printable ASCII character. This completely rules out most of the fonts that are favored by most people. I can't use a font that makes I look too much like l, for example. I mean, for some things I could, but not for *most* of what I do. My sister's font requirements are even weirder: she's a kindergarten teacher, so she categorically refuses to use any font that has the more complex ("book") form of the lowercase a or g. She's only willing to use fonts that have the versions of the letters that kindergarten students are taught to write by hand. Her favorite font is Comic Sans. Yes, really.
@lpschaf8943
@lpschaf8943 12 күн бұрын
Fraktur is beautiful.
@erraticonteuse
@erraticonteuse 9 күн бұрын
Does KZfaq also demonetize videos if you say "NSDAP" instead?
@the_clawing_chaos
@the_clawing_chaos 13 күн бұрын
Font Explain!
@CAMacKenzie
@CAMacKenzie 14 күн бұрын
I don't find Fraktur particularly hard to read. Once you get a little used to the differences, it's easy. Well, except for that k. I have a couple of German books of fairy tales printed in Fraktur and I have read them. No problem. Hmmm... A different meaning for The N Word. Herr H was an Austrian, and Austrians are, historically, mostly Catholics.
@deutschermichel5807
@deutschermichel5807 14 күн бұрын
But Catholics used Fraktur the same Protestants did. There was no religious divide
@net51cc
@net51cc 8 күн бұрын
What is happening to every final syllable of every sentence ?
@davidurban528
@davidurban528 10 күн бұрын
This whole video feels like it should be an April Fools joke, great story!
@jackdunne6152
@jackdunne6152 13 күн бұрын
The way Germans felt about this font reminds me of how Americans feel about the metric system.
@DaveSCameron
@DaveSCameron 14 күн бұрын
Nothing like the alten deutch scribble in my book. Danke schonersteinburg mein fruend
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