honestly also the thing i love story wise is that they used the second talk with paul to show that rudy really has always been a just very mature child at heart. he has years of experiences but he never knew how to or really got the chance to internalize them before it was too late in his last life and even in this one and i like how they ultimately made rudeus in the moment take the time to realize his own hypocricy while showing how flawed paul still was by his seeing total lack of ability to even begin to understand his son and why he did what he did, instead always taking rudeus' words at face value because he had always seen him as truly the most mature and realist adult at heart ignoring all his childishness when you got to his core.

Before watching my take was that rudeus changed the dynamic of the family, becoming the mature one. Like a friend vs a son, rudeus changed the way he lived his life and saved him by lying to his mother for him saving the maid not his father, but Paul ends up maturing alot more thanks to that, even idolizing his son being upset later on that not even his son could find his family that's still missing making him feel inadequate, even embarrassed that he in the back of his mind thought Rudy would find his wife, and help him fix it. Hearing Rudy had it easy was a lie from Rudy seeing his father looking that way I think the Yeats of worry, then pity from Rudy hurt more than he could bare egging Rudy into beating him because sometimes physical pain eases the mental if you feel like you're being punished by someone more virtuous not knowing his son is actually an old neet

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Happy father's day 🥲

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pure evil action :(

I mean- the dad is a fuck up. The brain cells on dat man is insane, too much stats put into strength

Wow damn this is a very comprehensive comment, and one I fully agree with. I see it like this as well

Wow that’s really brilliant and insightful, I like how you relate it rlly nicely

Agreed. Just to add some more contrast: -Paul and Norn were teleported relatively close to home. Buena Village being in the same continent and as his adventuring days could easily find his way back. Not to mention he had resources and connection right away. -For Rudy situation: they ended up in unknown territories in the demon continent and no resources. Not to mention different currency, culture, and language. He basically started from zero. Luckily ran into Ruijerd but not really a bonus (Because of Superd Tribe history). -From my POV: I disagree with Rudy not maturing point. He actually grew and learned thru his travel and actually was a repeat from the first argument. It was actually worse because he listen but wasn't accepting it. as you mention the reflection of Rudy and Paul have against each other. -Geese highlights how Paul is wrong. Rudy is just a kid and what was he doing at that age of 11. He also explains the contrast on the difference in Central and Demon Continent. Just to quote him. "His first time on an unknown land. His first time on an adventure. Besides, he has to pay attention to that Superd who might change his mind at any time, and there's a girl right behind him whom he has to protect. No matter how much of a genius Rudeus is, everyone has their limits. What's more, he's still just a kid." and at the end repeats something similar Rudy said "I'd cut all ties if I were him." The most eye opening dialogue is: Paul: Well, Geese?! Am I wrong?! Geese: Yeah, you are. You're always getting it wrong. -Being former party member highlights how he always misses the mark about how he thinks(Highlights your 2nd point of Paul). -It shows that Paul still has a lot to learn.

​​@@superplusextra9634this was insightful too, I'm learning and discovering quite a lot of hidden translations from S1, makes me appreciate S1 even more.

Yeah...like for example...the beginning of episode 4.

@@azumag4432 World ending threat ❌ Ntr threat ✅

Yea, but it went downhill from there

​@@alexthevi-th2578nah it went up, go watch some slice of life where nothin bad happens or smt

The sexual assault against minors by an adult (in a kids body) is very off-putting.

I think there are definitely some lol. But I think its a quality of a good father to feel inadequate. It shows the want to improve and review on past actions. Mushoku tensei is so clever with how it portrays fatherhood, especially in later parts the anime has yet to cover, and has some genuinly good lessons

yea. but his still a crap dad. if u look at it from Pauls view from what it is his grown man who should not blow up/hit on their kid. Everything R said are things his father is know for. so, maybe the thing to learn is that being a dad is hard but onces actions are who you choose to be seen as so better ur self .....

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​@@2caguzmanIt's worth noting my dad is a pretty awful husband, father, and all around person, so I'm far from an unbiased perspective. However, it's hard for me to agree that Paul is a bad father. At the least, he does have his family's best interest in mind, and he does truly care for them. He also makes a great decision sending Rudeus's away to a branch of the family, an experience that helps Rudeus grow, and gets him out of the mindset of "settling" that he had. I'm not about to argue Paul is an amazing father or anything, but I will say I cannot agree he is an outright bad one.

There usually are some fucked power dynamics between parents and their children, specially for failures who believe they dont have control over their lives and take it out on those who cannot fight back.

Besides busy staying alive?

He was also near the center of the incident so he didn’t know the actual scale of it. He thought it was just everyone in the field but actually it was everyone in Fittoa

Also like he got teleported, he didn't think his family got separated, maybe that's why he asked abt Sylphy

Ghislaine was caught up in it though

@@deplorible753 she was also at the epicenter,

And I think we are seeing some of the effects of the second fight now in the "Mage University" portion of the story where Rudeus seems very withdrawn and slow to respond to fights. He's no longer going into "win argument at all cost" mode like he used to do.

Your avatar is pure dopamine. Obligatory like.

You know what's interesting is that in the LN Eris had considered the possible scope long before Rudeus.

@@NathanaelCrapo yeah, Rudeus was busy after all, taking care of Eris and taking leadership because Eris and even Ruijerd were mostly dumbfucks

​@@NathanaelCrapoYup however just like Paul she mistakenly believes Rudy is nearly omnipotent and never says anything. It takes this situation to make both of them realize that Rudy is not perfect. Eris also learns this lesson again when they fight Orsted realizing that Rudy can both be wrong and that he can be defeated. However it would be unfair to exclude the fact that this realization of Rudy's mortality actually raises her opinion of him much higher yes she realizes that Rudy can be killed but she also realizes that Rudy was capable of harming the Dragon God so she does humanize his mind but does still over estimate his combat prowess.

Thanks for the comment, it made me reflect quite a bit. So to start, I believe there's no clear 'good guy' in their second argument. Both Paul and Rudy make conversational missteps that escalate the mutual vitriol. Paul scoffs at Rudeus' early responses, and Rudy gets into 'win the argument at any cost' mode. Both of these are justifiable from each character's perspective. Paul is understandably upset that he has suffered so much to reunite his family while Rudy hasn't spared a single thought toward them. And on the other hand, Rudeus understandably feels like Paul is unfairly judging him for having too much selfish fun on his journey, even though it wasn't just all fun and games. Now, the question is: which of them is willing to listen to the other's perspective? The indirect answer I present in the video is that Paul listens to Rudeus' perspective, while Rudeus doesn't even consider Paul's. You bring up a valid point that this is only the case because Paul is so assertive about hearing out Rudeus' perspective- he keeps cutting off Rudeus' attempts to find out Paul's story. In other words, Rudeus WANTS to consider Paul's perspective, but he doesn't get the opportunity because Paul keeps pushing to hear Rudy's. I think that's a perfectly fair assertion. I suppose the way I would frame the argument is the following: Both Paul and Rudy start off the conversation wanting to know what the other person has done in the many years that have passed since their last meeting. Rudy goes into the conversation thinking that he's going to share fun stories with Paul. But after being surprised by Rudeus' "what letter?" nuke, Paul doesn't care about fun stories at all, and he is now extremely emotionally invested in hearing Rudeus' perspective. He is on the verge of blowing up at Rudeus like he did in their first argument, but he holds himself back because he doesn't want to do it without a solid understanding that Rudeus has done something wrong. So he becomes very assertive, and increasingly vitriolic as Rudeus seems to have no good answers to his questions. Simultaneously, Rudeus is still interested in hearing Paul's perspective, because he wants to understand why Paul seems so upset at him, but he doesn't have the same emotional investment in this as Paul. When Rudeus realises that he has no good answers to Paul's questions, he snaps into 'win the argument at any cost' mode and accuses Paul of cheating on Zenith/Lilia. I think that is Rudeus' mistake- if he had matured, he would not get so defensive and snap into this mode and would remain patient and keep trying to probe for Paul's perspective. I think the light novel summarises Rudeus' mistake very well: "Paul's face twisted bitterly but I wasn't even looking at it. I was too busy enjoying the fact that I'd finally gotten the upper hand.". The problem isn't so much that Rudy snaps at Paul without considering his perspective, but that Rudy snaps at Paul because Rudy is losing the argument- he is unable to answer Paul's questions, and so at that point he completely abandons any attempts to understand Paul's perspective.

@@eliteari I would argue "Rudy snaps at Paul because Rudy is losing the argument" is also kind of a weird way to put it, because it implies that there was an actual argument in the sense of two parties debating something in a rational fashion, but you can't call what Paul did arguing. What he did was accusing, mocking and insulting Rudy, nothing else. And once Rudy's patience runs out, Rudy tries to get him back, in the exactly the same fashion that Paul treats him, assuming the worst, accusing him of shit that he didn't do and insulting and mocking him. It turns into a shit flinging contest and then a physical fight. If we would actually treat it as a logical argument "I haven't thought of it" is a perfectly good answer for Rudy. There was no real reason for Rudy to assume that anyone he knows besides Ghislaine, who more than can take care of herself, was caught up in the mana disaster, so what was in front of his eyes was more important than some strangers that might have been caught up in it.

please continue this debate, is really interesting to read the afterthoughts with the extra perspective of the LN

@@eliteari I ended up siding with Rudy in this argument because Paul was LITERALLY making the same mistakes he made in the first argument. There was an "obvious badguy". It was Paul. He was 300% in the wrong here. Rudy did nothing wrong, if we're actually honest about it. Rudy does a lot of really terrible crap to a lot of people, much of it unwarrented. But, in the rare moments he is right, he is dead right. Paul is, again, NOT LISTENING TO RUDY. Each step of the converstaion, Paul insults him. Belittles him. Tries to frame the journey as "Rudy just messing around and having fun so he can get with a girl". Paul is STILL NOT LISTENING. Paul is STILL NOT GETTING THE PERSPECTIVE OF THE OTHER PERSON. Paul is merely PRETENDING to do so, because it's on his mind that last time they had an argument, he was made the fool for not doing so. So, in his immature approximation of "trying to listen to the other perspective", is isn't listening. He's listening with intent to confirm his own negative bias. He's listening with intent to find reasons to be angry. He's listening with INTENT TO FIND RUDY IN THE WRONG. Just as it was in the first argument. Paul has gone from, "shut up, adults are talking and know what's best" to "Okay, I'll listen to what you say, but adults are still talking and know what's best." There is a reason that Paul receives his "dressing down" and Rudeus never does. Anyone with two brain cells to rub together, even HEARING Rudeus tell the story, knows that he's "embellishing" quite a lot. It's a Tavern of Adventurers. People who KNOW what the Demon Continent is like. Moreover, these are people who KNOW Paul is depressed, angry, and living at the bottom of an empty liquor bottle. These are people who know where this conversation is going before Rudeus figures it out. These are people that know Rudeus has seen the heavy drinking and how Paul looks. These are people who immediately understand that Rudeus is attempting to "cheer up" his father by not worrying him and is instead feeding him adventures instead of every single hardship he endured, as well as miserable failure. But, Paul, does not. Paul is AGAIN failing to consider his son's perspective. He isn't ASKING for his son's perspective either. He is asking, "why didn't you save everyone?" and looking for anything that will prove that Rudeus is a terrible person and beneath himself, rather than for what actually happened. Every single question Paul asks is a version of, "Why didn't you save everyone?". It's the same as the first argument. Every question Paul asks in that first argument is, "Why did you hit the boy?". It's the same mistake again. Paul may have become a good father, but he is still an utterly worthless human being incapable of doing more than focusing on himself. Rudy doesn't tell Paul of all the terrible stuff he had to learn. That he had actually caused the death of other adventurers in his own arrogance. A lesson that taught him actual humility. A lesson that taught him REAL consideration for others. A lesson that taught him TO ACTUALLY CARE ABOUT OTHERS. A lesson that taught him he is not invincible, infallable, or even a good person. A lesson that forced him to confront his own flaws. His own shortcomings. One that made him take the entire journey more seriously. Rudeus skips telling Paul all the "really terrible stuff". Because, Paul doesn't look like he can handle it. Paul looks at the end of his rope. Struggling very hard. Yet, here we have Paul. The man who never actually learns the important lessons. Who wants to "one up" Rudeus at every opportunity due to his inadequacy. Who wants to bring HIS OWN SON very low just to bolster his own ego. This is a man whom has been shown at nearly every interaction with his son, that he is roundly incompetent at practically everything he does. A man whom has been shown at every interaction, that his son is even more mature than him, despite how utterly despicable and immature Rudeus actually is, even as a 39 year old man. Paul comes into this conversation expecting to hear "Rudeus has saved the day" for him. Once again. Because Paul is wallowing in his own incompetency. This is a man so low he has pinned all his hopes ON AN ELEVEN YEAR OLD CHILD. Paul gets angry that "Rudeus didn't spend his time helping people, but instead used it to get home". Paul, finally, in his sheer incompetence and immaturity turns to the ONLY WAY he knows to "get an advantage over Rudy". He punches him. Fighting is the only thing Paul has ever had that he's been superior to Rudy in. THE ONLY THING. So, when pushed into the corner... What does he do? Immediately starts swinging. He doesn't explain to his son, "No, I haven't been cheating". He resorts IMMEDIATELY to swinging. This leads me to believe that YES, he HAS BEEN cheating. I've not read the LN where it's ever stated whether Paul was or was not sleeping with any of his hot female party members, but in the anime, it's left VERY ambiguous as to whether or not he is... and his immediate response to the accusation is to punch the accuser? Well, that tells me all I need to know. Rudy hit the nail on the head and Paul is immediately ashamed. So, they fight. And Paul realizes in very short order that Rudeus has suddenly gotten more prowess in even COMBAT than he has. Paul has been utterly deflated in that one place he could always beat Rudy, he can't anymore. He no longer has advantages over his son. He no longer has a way to "bring his son low". No more ways to "feel superior". This is where Paul TRULY begins to actually learn and mature. That second fight. Because, now he has to. He can't impart his will over his own son anymore. A son who, at the age of 11, is far better than him at nearly everything. Despite how utterly flawed Rudy even is. Paul has learned nothing. He continues to make the same mistakes in the second fight as he made in the first. He's just learned to "pretend to listen" better. That's all. Rudeus, meanwhile, has learned many things. He learned to seek out other perspectives. He learned to be more humble. He learned that he is incredibly fallable and selfish and stupid sometimes. Rudeus has learned to navigate a great many social situations. Rudeus has even learned, through Eris, to have an INSANE amount of patience for others. Rudeus has learned how to "solve problems" better, through Eris. He couldn't directly teach her, so he had to come up with alternate ways to do so. He had to figure out how to MAKE HER WANT to learn. Rudeus had to learn a great deal of Restraint in his time away. A great deal of patience. But, we also see what happens when you stomp all over his patience. When you continue to press it. We see Rujierd have to stop Rudeus from completely destroying an entire Demon settlement because one Demon threatened to besmirch the name of Rujierd's people. We see what happens when you continue to trample over Rudeus's "good graces" as it were. As if, Rudeus actually has "good graces". Rudeus has patience and prefers to talk things out in a civilized manner. He doesn't even mind when people prove him wrong in most instances. Even in arguments. We see that all over the anime. His arguments only become "win at all costs", when the other person has turned the conversation into "a fight" or even "pure animosity". Which, Paul often does. Paul has "the need to be right", constantly. Even when he's wrong. Rudeus, when he is wrong, accepts that he is, and tries to learn something from it. He tries to fix himself. Paul, instead, runs, swings fists, or engages in "just sitting there and taking it". Paul needed his dressing down because he didn't learn the lesson from the first fight. He pretended he learned it, but is so utterly incompetent, that he learned nothing. Learned not a single thing. Continued making the exact same mistake he made the first time. He didn't listen to Rudeus at all. He just asked him questions based on his own assumptions. Rudeus wasn't "saving people" as he "should have been", so Paul wanted to listen for JUST EXAMPLES of Rudeus doing ONLY THAT. Pauls mind was already made up. He wasn't considering anyone else's point of view. Not once. He was PRETENDING to listen, sure, but his intent was just to listen for things that confirmed his own preconceived notion. He didn't hear "Rudeus spent the entire trip trying to get a scared girl home, and trying to repair the reputation of an entire people, or saving beastmen from slavery, or learning how to be an adventurer on a continent where Humans are Despised". He heard, "Rudeus had a good time while he was away, so he must be in the wrong". Paul is a despicable, flawed, terrible human being. So much so, that he's willing to frame his own son as a villain in his own mind to cover for his own incompetence. Paul isn't "a good parent". He's just one that has managed to endear himself to the daughter he was teleported with. That's all. A Daughter who grew up never knowing any other parent except Paul. One that doesn't even see her own parent's terrible behavior as "terrible" yet. Paul protected her and indoctrinated her through that protection. He didn't "parent" her in the slightest. Meanwhile, Rudeus basically had to learn to be an ACTUAL parent with Eris. He had to learn to teach her morals. He had to learn to teach her that he was fallable. He had to learn to teach her about the world and how to interact with it and in it. He had to learn how to curb her instincts and get her to focus them on better outlets. Paul sunk lower as a Father on his journey, and Rudeus had to learn to be better on his.

@@D1i1s1 If you keep poking a bear, and the bear finally snaps back, can you really blame the bear? Again, Paul is supposed to be the adult and failed to be one. He insists that Rudeus traveling through the most dangerous part of the world is some kind of grand vacation when he, as an adventurer, knows that wouldn't be the case. Even adults do not travel to the Demon continent lightly due to how bloody dangerous it is. Being drunk makes Paul's mistake understandable, but something understandable does not make it justifiable. Expecting his kid to be looking for survivors when he's spending all his time trying to survive himself and look after Eris is beyond unreasonable. In a world where sending a letter can take years to get delivered, if it gets delivered at all, is not a situation in which you can reliably expect someone to somehow see some random message on a bulletin board a continent away.

Ikr like with all these anime/manga/web novel having flashy fights showcasing how op the characters are, it just hits different to have quarrels like they had

Are there any other shows similar to this one ?

​@@lonelyspud4445The author is friends with the author of Re:Zero

wow a youtube comment concerned about originality that's horribly rare

in the world of mushoku tensei monogamy pretty much is only followed by the milis church which zenith is a follower of whereas Paul isn't. spoiler but not major (it might be covered in season 2 but it also might not) . . . . . . . . Paul marries Lilia but when they go to see zeniths family Aisha is looked down upon by zeniths family and is treated like an illegitimate child.

@@heldscissors4132 Spoilers: : ; : ; : This will most likely be explored in season 2 because it's the cornerstone of Norn Aisha relationship. Ah~ How I wish for Season 2 to come soon because Norn's story is so relatable!

@@ahmadmanga potential spoilers: . . . . . . Yeah I'm thinking it will be covered but it also might not be noting the amount of small stuff skipped in season 1 (think Eris's mother telling eris to go sleep with Rudy in TP1 or gease telling eris he can't show her how to cook because it's one of his jinx's). Though since the small things in season 1 weren't too important compared to Aisha being treated differently it might still make it in the anime.

@@heldscissors4132 we might not see the details, but the emotional impact of it is too strong to not allude to it in the story at least.

@@ahmadmangaseason 2 coming soon! Also enough that it’ll definitely be mentioned

Damn you're right , also I'm pretty sure that zenith was a S ranked adventurer but I think you're more right than me .

It's a good thing Geese later on pointed out those things to Paul. Geese was an MVP on that episode and I never thought I'd have a lot of respect for that guy.

@@neriovelasquez8633 na she was said to be around a rank

Yo this! I whole heartedly agree. But the video did make his distress and depression understandable. Def wish these facts were added. I also think this happened because of how inferior Paul feel in comparison to Rudy. But Paul didn't have that feeling with his wife. Paul feelings make him forget that his son is still his son, a "kid", happy see his father and proud to tell him of his hard yet lively journey. I kinda wish that part in the show was talked about a bit more but I guess men don't talk like that.

I think both didn’t bother to look into each other’s side as Rudy assumed Paul was still the philanderer he was before the teleportation incident, something Paul regretted deeply and has now made great efforts to be a good father, while Paul was viewing Rudy as the prodigy son, who could, according to ghislaine, could beat her if he was in an advantageous scenario, and not of a child being teleported into an unknown and dangerous location

If anything, I think that gives them more credit.

Wrong

he's definetely not on par with eris or sylphie, he's way above them he literally took eris from a spoiled brat to someone that can actually function as a normal human and express themselves, and sylphie's just normal.

@@its9301 I call him Rudeus but i'm really referring to his original self that died...after being reborn he had his memories but still lacked any real maturity...a man/child...Paul for all his faults, Zenith Rujerd Sylphie Roxy they all helped him mature into a Stable Mature Man that he wasn't in his original life and Sylphie is very mild mannered but Rudy still manages to get himself banished from the bedroom from time to time She's the wife he fears the most....for that very reason :)

​@@its9301well keep in mind og commenter probably talks about how Rudeus actually grows as time goes on mentally. His maturity was stunted in his first life due to his lifestyle, but not in the 2nd life. That does mean he got to grow there too, thats why he is more mature than most, because he is now, but that doesnt mean he is anywhere near mature enough at that point either

Truee lets goo. and now we're blessed with season 3

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That's what happened right after the Millis Argument if you remember. When Paul is reminded that his genius son, while a genius, is still a child, and that managing to survive on the demon Continent is no small feat, even With Ruijerd by his side. Paul expected too much of Rudeus, but Rudeus also didn't understand Pauls efforts and circumstances, so he isn't without blame. Also, when did Rudeus save Pauls marriage? If anything he diverted blame away from Lillia on Paul to save Lillias and her babies life, Zenith was kind enough to forgive Paul and accept Lillia as part of the family, so maybe one can give Rudeus credit for that.

​@TheRealJohnux it did save the marriage, u talk as if Paul was a victim there If not for rudeus Paul zenith lillia rudeus and the two sisters would have separated Destroying the family and friend relationship

​@@blu3d3vil97Rudeus didn't save the marriage, he saved Lillia. If anything Rudeus made the marriage worse by intentionally portraying Paul in a poor light and downplaying Lillia's responsibility in the matter.

@BeyondTrash-xe1vs buddy... In what world is paul not at fault(not the only one but the biggest) and why would u think there was gonna by a marriage left Takes some real delusions to think the marriage was gonna continue without rudy(the beloved son of zenith that she thinks of as only an innocent child) convincing them to remain united Or maybe u just think women are just so dumb as to allow an idiot to cheat in their very house then say "nah nothing wrong, we continue as is"

@@BeyondTrash-xe1vs It's pretty copium to think that Rudeus made the marriage worse when the cheating was already a huge mistake worth ruining it on it's own

Rudeus may have realised his mistake yes, but he never actually takes any action to correct it. He doesn't even go looking for his mother when he comes home, he goes to the magic university for another 2 years. Realising your mistakes isn't enough to absolve you of them.

@@titaniumgamer_10 What are you talking about? Did you even see the first five episodes of Season 2? He spent two years looking for his mother in the northern territories just like Paul had asked him to! He had to first carry out his promise to get Eris to the Fittoa region first like he promised her(and good thing he did since he found Lilia and Aisha along the way), but after his fit of depression in the refugee camp, he went north to search for Zenith. His plan was to spread his name and hopefully Zenith would hear it and come find him, so he joined as many parties as possible, always asking them to spread his name and let him know if they heard anything about his mother. He only went to the magic university when he had turned 15, after Elinalise came, found him, and told him that Roxy now knew the city where Zenith was. And that Roxy had had left for Millishion to tell Paul and help Paul and crew go find her.

@@kaguya6900 Yes, and when he found out about that, he instead decided to go to the magic academy instead of helping his mother. I know the man god told him to do that, but if he truly cared about his mother he would have ignored his advice and went to save her anyway.

@@titaniumgamer_10 So two full years of searching doesn't count for anything for you? Okay, I see where you're coming from, and I don't see any reason to argue with you further.

I like how Paul is written. I can understand his frustration with Rudeus, in a depressed and desperate point of view. Paul first of all thinks so highly of Rudeus. So After seeing Rudy again he was please and had hope, yet because he saw that Rudy was alive and well he had expectations that his son who he thinks so highly of would have been the one to reunite them all again. However after hearing Rudy's story frustration would have been the first thing he felt, because he was making an effort to reunite them and facing all kinds of hardships, depression, and desperation. Rudy would be having a great time(which he doesn't) but when you're in that state you would develop tunnel vision and everytime you see or hear someone who should have been your hope to help, would be in more ideal situations that yourself. Paul corrects himself after, and made amends with Rudy. Which is why Paul is such a well written character and their interactions are always good

@@chael9323 it can be a bit understandable to be pissed about him not even trying to send a letter since he was in multiple cities even while in the demon continent, and I assume they must have some kind of bird or magic beast that sends letters (even if they aren't super reliable), after all that's like vanishing for years without calling your parents. Also neither of them knew how much the other knew about the scale of the mana disaster, Rudeus tought it was a small scale thing since he was close to the center and Paul assumed Rudeus would know it was big since he should've been in the city and see it all be consumed, I think they never adress this. In the end both are flawed, Paul should've been better and more mature but he was never that mature and a drunk and depressed dude that had lost almost all hope can be damn unpredictable, and Rudeus was dense not reading the mood in the room or noticing the abscence of the rest of his family sooner, he kida still tought he was the center of the world as he says so himself, he was taking it all kind of as a game.

@@chael9323 Indeed.

Yeah know dude was a dick and not great character in my opinion. Just mad me annoyed when he was on screen or dealt with.

Paul didn't really know how bad Rudeus's situation was though - he has never personally experienced the demon continent and Rudy's lighthearted retelling of his story only reinforced the "it can't be as bad as rumours say" mindset he probably had since he was an active adventurer. And I can't really blame Paul for taking refuge in the bottle, considering how bad things were for him the entire time and that, by that time, he was slowly losing all hope of finding his family or even knowing what happened to them. I won't repeat the same stuff about how he viewed Rudeus's intellect and competence, people said it a million times, but it also reinforces in his mind the idea that Rudeus should've been able to do more.

You don't have to spoil that for other people just because you watched it today.

@@ninjamatic5000 rest in peace Rudy's daughter

@@ninjamatic5000 agreed

The problem I have as a big fan of the story is that his perverted nature is often overdone to the point of distracting from the story and serves no purpose. It also does not get that much better with time. As an example, I always mention a situation from a later arc (no spoilers, don't worry) where Rudeus meets a woman for the first time. Her appearance is described as this is also the first time the reader encounters this character. Rudeus describes her with the words: "like most women from Asura, she has brown hair but unlike most women from Asura, she is also blessed with a rather large chest." So far so good, a witty and funny remark that is in line with Rudeus and his personality. However, after that remark the author deemed it necessary for Rudeus to indulge in a drawn-out monologue, comparing the chest size of that new character to all female characters he is close with and ranking them. The initial remark is just Rudeus being Rudeus, while giving a character description that is well-written IMO. But the following monologue serves no purpose other than communicating for the 1000th time that Rudeus is still a perverted guy while throwing the reader out of what is supposed to be a suspenseful situation for Rudeus.

Agreed, I love positive moments where parents are shown to be not only human but that they can grow and learn as well

New father here. This conversation brought me to tears because it such a valuable lesson

I was about to say, Paul was too harsh on rudeus. He was still young, in a dangerous land looking out for someone important to him. His first priority was to get to safety, not play the main character and save people who matter little to him. Furthermore as you said, rudeus had no idea how far the disaster reached. Paul had a hard time, but was ultimately leading a team in safe, secure Millis. Rudeus was completing a treacherous journey that took many years to complete, doing his best to help people while also surviving on next to nothing and protecting Eris

rudy likelly did not even told paul about the queen ripping his eye off, to put a new one there (must have hurt to the point of traumatizing most kids)