The French Plantation Sequence FINALLY Explained | Ep19 | Making Apocalypse Now

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In Episode 19 of Making Apocalypse Now, we are going to take a look at how difficult the French Plantation sequence was to shoot, what the scene adds to the overall story, and why the directing technique that gave Coppola amazing results in the past just didn’t seem to work this time.
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@MrJukebox4me
@MrJukebox4me 2 ай бұрын
In 1965 I was an American army advisor to a Vietnamese infantry battalion. We were located about 40 miles north of Saigon in a small outpost surrounded by dense forest and some rubber.. There were several French rubber plantations in the area. One Sunday my army boss, myself and several other Americans were invited to the one of the plantations for a Sunday afternoon. We had to wear civilian clothes, and show no visible weapons. Our Vietnamese drivers had to stay with the vehicles just inside the plantation gate. Going through the gates of the plantation was like stepping into another world. Young people were splashing around a swimming pool, ladies in cocktail dresses sitting around tables while Vietnamese waiters in white jackets offered them cocktails. We were served a fantastic meal, served with an assortment of fine wines. As evening approached we knew we needed to leave and make out way back to our base. This we did with incident. We all assumed the French plantation owner paid the Viet Cong to leave us alone that Sunday. I was back in Vietnam in 2019, The French are still there.
@PauloPereira-jj4jv
@PauloPereira-jj4jv Ай бұрын
Amazing story. Thanks for share this.
@DUCKSAREEVILLLLLLLL
@DUCKSAREEVILLLLLLLL Ай бұрын
Truman's support for The French is why we lost. Even Vietnamese in The South hated the French colonialists. The war was lost by June of 1945. "Apocalypse Now!" would have been more accurate if it included the French experience in Vietnam.
@nsh1980gmail
@nsh1980gmail Ай бұрын
One does not give up a rubber plantation easily
@RiceDaddy-wo2fy
@RiceDaddy-wo2fy Ай бұрын
Thank you for your service
@migueljdixon
@migueljdixon Ай бұрын
The French had been there continuously since the war? How did they survive the Fall of Saigon? What was their connection to their plantation?
@thelastperfectman4139
@thelastperfectman4139 5 ай бұрын
I really love the French Plantation scene; it feels like an encounter with phantoms-literally the phantoms of Vietnam’s history.
@JohnDoe69986
@JohnDoe69986 5 ай бұрын
Yeah it captured this Mystique of the Jungle, almost like discovering a lost tribe.
@jerseyforhawks
@jerseyforhawks 5 ай бұрын
I now wish included.
@RoscoPColtrane17
@RoscoPColtrane17 5 ай бұрын
It’s about race, not political ideology.
@greenvelvet
@greenvelvet 5 ай бұрын
​​@@RoscoPColtrane17imperialism and colonization IS political ideology.
@RoscoPColtrane17
@RoscoPColtrane17 5 ай бұрын
@@greenvelvet The book is about race, I know you don’t want to talk about that so you change it to ideology. Makes it easier to stomach. Like the French officer said “When we came here there was nothing”
@PolishGod1234
@PolishGod1234 6 ай бұрын
I see the whole scene as a dream of the boat crew. Everything looks so shiny, there is good food and peace. It starts and ends in a fog, like it wasn't actualy real.
@artemus80j.4
@artemus80j.4 6 ай бұрын
To me it's Willard's dream.
@RyanPerrella
@RyanPerrella 6 ай бұрын
Great take
@mahmoudibnemir8704
@mahmoudibnemir8704 5 ай бұрын
Now this is an interesting perspective. Bravo.
@loganw6156
@loganw6156 5 ай бұрын
I really like this scene. I always thought they were ghosts. The scene is really important It's about America not heeding the lessons of the past and represents Vietnams past colonial presence. Some find that the scene drags but it's such an essential scene imo
@PolishGod1234
@PolishGod1234 5 ай бұрын
@@loganw6156 agreed. It also serves for Willard's character development. The French lady tells Willard about duality of man, I'm sure those words had some influence on Willard when making his final decision of not dropping the bomb on the tribe.
@risinbison1106
@risinbison1106 5 ай бұрын
“You are fighting for the biggest nothing in history”. My favorite line in the movie.
@bidlymovies987
@bidlymovies987 2 ай бұрын
It is so French the way he says it. Absolute perfection.
@666rivers
@666rivers Ай бұрын
The egg analogy about how violently they are willing to regress the structure of the society to render it "all yellow" also stuck with me. This scene seems to be foundational, while adding padding to the Playboy bunny scene seems to disenchant the magnetic allure of the sideshow- rendering the sweetly sensuous writhing sirens all too human... IMHO
@JohnMoseley
@JohnMoseley 19 күн бұрын
Yeah. As far as I know, as communists went, Ho Chi Minh was very mild, more like a very social democratic socialist, and assumed he was involved in a War of Independence style struggle the Americans would understand. He was open to friendship, negotiation and cooperation with them. It's one of the great ironic madnesses of the 20th Century that the US, a country born of its own Enlightenment-inspired liberation struggle, crushed so many similar movements in small countries all because of its paranoia about communism. Another example is the way they let the British secret service convince them to overthrow Mossadeq in Iran on the grounds that he was a communist, which he simply wasn't.
@user-ue4ix6qc1m
@user-ue4ix6qc1m 4 күн бұрын
​@@JohnMoseley it is very funny how people think that the US was fighting a colonial war or war of conquest and forget that it was actually supporting an independent Republic of Vietnam in its defense against an aggression of northern communists.
@travismiles5885
@travismiles5885 6 ай бұрын
When I saw Apocalypse Now, with the French Plantation scene put back in, it gave me a Hotel California vibe. I can see why they cut it for theatrical release but it does really add a layer of madness to the movie. It's Kubrick's Odyssey.
@shaunw9092
@shaunw9092 6 ай бұрын
This is whats so great about Redux. The madness creeping in throughout the journey.
@laurentdupasquier7872
@laurentdupasquier7872 6 ай бұрын
great analogy !
@marknewton6984
@marknewton6984 3 ай бұрын
Boring.
@MarcosElMalo2
@MarcosElMalo2 2 ай бұрын
@@marknewton6984Stick to your superhero crap.
@MarcosElMalo2
@MarcosElMalo2 2 ай бұрын
So when I was a kid growing up in Southern Cal8fornia, Disneyland had this cheesy jungle boat ride. It was a boat with benches where the customers sat and took in the views of a cruise up river, catching glimpses of jungle scenes that was narrated by a “guide” in a pith helmet. The It was a very slow moving boat, possible moving on submersed tracks. The big action moment was an aligátor attack, and the guide took out a firearm and shot blanks until the alligator mannequin sunk under water. Like I said, it was cheesy. But when the movie came out, it reminded me of the Disneyland ride, but stripped of the cheesiness and sterility. Anyhoo. . . . The French Plantation was superfluous, but Coppola didn’t realize it until later (and then he put it back in the movie in an act of self-indulgence). It’s a beautiful scene and I think I see where Coppola was trying to go with it. The last vestige of civilization, the last bulwark: family. It’s clear that this way station of the trip upriver is untenable. And it slips behind us as we continue deeper. It’s a better film without it, but I still enjoy watching it when I watch Redux.
@Advent3546
@Advent3546 6 ай бұрын
Telling Coppola they don't need extras but keeping a small troop of extras out of his view just in case is a really funny microcosm of this production.
@fallinginthed33p
@fallinginthed33p 6 ай бұрын
It was Coppola, not Kurtz, who ended up going upriver and almost getting lost in madness. I can't read the Conrad novel without thinking of everything that happened on the Apocalypse Now production.
@cfbastian
@cfbastian 6 ай бұрын
My mother lived in Manila and was the casting agent for all the extras.
@fromthefire4176
@fromthefire4176 5 ай бұрын
@@fallinginthed33psomeone could make a heart of darkness/apocalypse now parody focused around Coppola’s production
@JohnDenverAirport
@JohnDenverAirport 5 ай бұрын
@@fromthefire4176 I think something like how Shadow of the Vampire created a lore-tale around the making of Nosferatu, that would be really cool. GET ON IT HOLLYWOOD ... make me happy for once.
@Haru-qh2qz
@Haru-qh2qz 5 ай бұрын
​@@cfbastianincredible! She had any stories to tell?
@VNExperience
@VNExperience 6 ай бұрын
I love how the Frenchman in the cut scene says that up the river are the "moi", which in Vietnamese translates to "savages" (a very derogatory term). This was and still is reality. The ethnic minorities like the Bru still hunted with bows and arrows when the Green Berets started working with them against the Northern forces (famously exemplified by the MACV-SOG on the Ho Chi Minh trail). Having been living in Vietnam for a decade, I've had the opportunity to meet some of the remaining minorities, however in a more peaceful context.
@mahmoudibnemir8704
@mahmoudibnemir8704 5 ай бұрын
The Vietnamese are as bigoted as everyone else on this planet. The mountain people (Montagnard to the French) are still looked down on by those in the cities - much the same way that Americans in large cities refer to those in rural areas as "hillbillies". In addition, the South always turned their noses up at those in the North - which they later paid for when the North took over. One may think the Communists believe in equality but their actions have proven otherwise the majority of the time - just like everyone else on this planet.
@vincentgoupil180
@vincentgoupil180 5 ай бұрын
VNExperience Is there a term used by Europeans of the Indochina European settlers similiar to the Pied-noirs of Algeria ?
@mahmoudibnemir8704
@mahmoudibnemir8704 5 ай бұрын
Hmm. Well, since some migrating Irish were referred to as Black Irish and Australians were referred to as Bogans, I imagine that there exist or existed some term for any European settlers. For example, "Bay Frog" was used by some Europeans to refer to the French settlers who originated from the Hudson Bay area of Quebec in Canada. Also, on a personal level, I have experienced Vietnamese-American immigrants speak of the North Vietnamese in a derogatory way such as how they were low class and unrefined (eg - they spoke of how the North Vietnamese didn't know that French Drip coffee is the best way to make coffee - ironic, huh?) What cities have you lived in or visited in Vietnam? I visited in 2003 and had one of the best trips of my life.
@littlewing6231
@littlewing6231 5 ай бұрын
That is incredible. You’re one of the few. Thx for the info. ☮️
@JohnDenverAirport
@JohnDenverAirport 5 ай бұрын
@@mahmoudibnemir8704 that's really interesting ... as an Australian I can confirm that the term 'Bogan' has been reappropriated to refer to the rougher, lower socio-economic folks in Australia. But to find out the origin of the term is fascinating. Thanks!
@KvasirBlut
@KvasirBlut 6 ай бұрын
I actually met Aurore Clément some months ago in a small cinéma in Paris for the projection of Lacombe Lucien during a Louis Malle rétrospective. Still a very élégant, simple and nice person. She was perfect for the rôle in the french plantation, solemn and ethereal. Btw this Making Apocalypse Now série is excellent, one of a kind.
@nilsbrown7996
@nilsbrown7996 6 ай бұрын
Glad to know that her work and those of the others involved saw the light of day, and were seen by the public. Otherwise, walking around with this terrific almost-credit. So cruel.. I had no idea about this scene!? But I’m a dummy..
@edwardbloecher4563
@edwardbloecher4563 6 ай бұрын
Very cool 😎 Tres Bien!
@Elcore
@Elcore 6 ай бұрын
​@@nilsbrown7996You need to watch the Redux version. It feels like a very different film and really shows how ruthless editors have got to be.
@donelson52
@donelson52 5 ай бұрын
Lacombe Lucien, fabulous.
@kingjoe3rd
@kingjoe3rd 5 ай бұрын
She was very pretty.
@romeoortegaiii2299
@romeoortegaiii2299 5 ай бұрын
This scene (The French Plantation) was in the original release in The Philippines before it was ever released in the USA 🇺🇸. My girlfriend Florencia and I saw the film in Olongapo City Subic Bay 1979.
@paulaharrisbaca4851
@paulaharrisbaca4851 26 күн бұрын
How was the film received there?
@rufust.firefly6352
@rufust.firefly6352 6 ай бұрын
My main takeaway from the Redux version of these plantation scenes was a conversation that Roxanne and Willard had -- Willard said after the war was over, he wasn't going back. That changes a lot of the tone of Willard's journey in the remainder of the movie, IMHO.
@CoolGobyFish
@CoolGobyFish 2 ай бұрын
I had a feeling that both Willard and Killgore were going to drink themselves to death after the war. there is no way they would go back to normal life.
@ibubezi7685
@ibubezi7685 2 ай бұрын
Willard slowly becoming Kurtz...
@christianlingurar7085
@christianlingurar7085 Ай бұрын
yes. thank you.
@davidkennerly
@davidkennerly 6 ай бұрын
Chef speaks French because he is a Cajun from Louisiana, not because he studied to become a saucier.
@bigfootpros
@bigfootpros 5 ай бұрын
I came here to say that...
@daredevilforlife
@daredevilforlife Ай бұрын
I’m late, but yep. He was going to the Escoffier school. And then he got orders for his physical.
@paulaharrisbaca4851
@paulaharrisbaca4851 26 күн бұрын
I thought the same thing.
@Miniweet9167
@Miniweet9167 9 күн бұрын
It was as therefore natural for him to go learn cooking in France. One doesn’t cancel out the other.
@voiceofreason2674
@voiceofreason2674 5 күн бұрын
I don't think he's Cajun just from Louisiana he says hes from New Orleans which is not a Cajun city also the way he says ne tirez pas does not sound like an attempt to depict a home language speaker sounds like a regular Louisiana person who just knows the language on paper
@michaelfontana4689
@michaelfontana4689 5 ай бұрын
The plantation scene is entirely necessary IMO. If you look at the story just through the perspective of moving up-river in a constant battle against the environment, it might seem out of place, but for me, it was the perfect moment to pull back and remind the crew and audience of the futility and misdirection of the war effort in the context of previous historical failures. It sits at the back of your mind as the final part of the film unfolds.
@QED_
@QED_ 3 ай бұрын
This scene is even more necessary if you end the movie as I've always felt it should end: in their eventual dialogue, Willard is convinced by Kurtz that he (Kurtz) is in the right and that the madness and futility that he (Willard) has witnessed is not a fact about the war but about the corrupt manner in which French, American, and South Vietnamese politicians have conducted it.
@peterl3417
@peterl3417 Ай бұрын
@@QED_there’s no way you’re selling vietnam to the average taxpayer without a false-flag attack
@QED_
@QED_ Ай бұрын
@@peterl3417 Maybe today. Definitely not . . . 60 years ago.
@peterl3417
@peterl3417 Ай бұрын
@@QED_ Maybe today? What makes you think so?
@phaedrussmith1949
@phaedrussmith1949 6 ай бұрын
I wonder if this scene was stuck in Coppola's mind because of the source material? The vehicle that drives the story in "Heart of Darkness" isn't war, but rather colonialism. Perhaps subconsciously he was trying to work out that contradiction even though it really wasn't necessary.
@faeembrugh
@faeembrugh 5 ай бұрын
Yes, possibly the part of the book where he meets the immaculately dressed clerk who's working in some camp in the middle of the jungle.
@therageandthepride
@therageandthepride 22 күн бұрын
But , war , waging war in a colony is the other tool, the more extreme tool...when simple colonialism isnt working or cant work, the colonilaist must have a war, he must erase the savages. Bernard Fall who was in late French Vietnam and wrote one of the best books , Street Without Joy, says the french and the yanks both believed in the religion of technology, that there was mo way theyd lose as they had superior technology...
@mikemines2931
@mikemines2931 6 ай бұрын
The plantation sequence was fascinating and needed just like an hours layover in Singapore between London and Sydney when they let you off the plane to stretch your legs.
@darkcornersuk
@darkcornersuk Ай бұрын
I couldn't have described it better
@RatedRKO269
@RatedRKO269 6 ай бұрын
I saw this scene when I saw the Final Cut in theaters a few years ago and I actually really love this scene and glad it was put back into the film.
@schizoidboy
@schizoidboy 6 ай бұрын
I personally liked the French Plantation scene. It gave it some unexpected color bringing in the French and reminding the viewers that there was a war before the United States got involved in it.
@orgonsolo6291
@orgonsolo6291 5 ай бұрын
Same here. IT just an extra demention to an already way out there piece of film history.... However IT must have been at the time, IT just gets better with time
@SergyMilitaryRankings
@SergyMilitaryRankings 4 ай бұрын
It reminds the viewers that the NVA are fighting for freedom
@Paul47Tat
@Paul47Tat 4 ай бұрын
Maybe somebody could have just - you know - DISCUSSED the fact that the French were there before us. Maybe that would have worked.
@flowerflower1392
@flowerflower1392 2 ай бұрын
@@Paul47TatIt is a shame that many people don't know history. I am German and went to a French school in Berlin. Indochina was a part of my history lessons. Maybe not so in the US.
@elisabettamacghille4623
@elisabettamacghille4623 6 ай бұрын
That scene is actually a masterpiece inside a masterpiece.
@paulaharrisbaca4851
@paulaharrisbaca4851 26 күн бұрын
He could've made a whole other film just about this French family. He's so good with Italian families, I think he could pull off a French mafia type movie. After all, the French were big on drug smuggling, like in "The French Connection", and they got a lot of the opium they used to make heroin from Vietnam. And then shipped out of Marseilles. There's a movie about drug smuggling from Nam called "Who'll Stop the Rain" with Nick Nolte based on a book called "Dog Soldiers". I haven't read or seen it in years but it's very descriptive about the experience of smoking, snorting and shooting smack.
@keysersoze503
@keysersoze503 5 ай бұрын
The plantation scene is a surreal and interesting escape in a cinematic masterpiece. Also a lesson in those who do not learn from history are doomed to repeat it.
@1969Risky
@1969Risky 6 ай бұрын
I really love the dissertation of Apocalypse Now series. I've forgotten how many times I've re-watched previous episodes & it's still brilliant. When the Redux version came out I was glad to see the French Plantation sequence. It may not entirely fit into Willards story but for the Vietnam war it fits well. The French plantation owners were willing to work with the locals but because of what happened pre-WWII they got greedy & wanted Vietnam for the Vietnamese. Not all colonisers were exploiting the locals. A friend of mine who is Dutch-Australian, his family are from the Netherlands East Indies & had been there since the 1820's. The family had a Timber & rubber plantation on one of the larger islands. The family was Christian & they paid locals to do the work. The family set up a hospital, school, town hall & other infrastructures. They learnt the language, taught Dutch to the locals & married locals. When WWII came by most of the family went to Australia. The family that stayed ended up in concentration camps & eventually died. After WWII, the family came back hoping to resume life again but of course the Indonesians wanted independence. When the Dutch army came through they harassed the locals, introduced martial law & the family protested. Eventually the Dutch army moved on but then they had to put up with the other Indonesians that came through who wanted everything that the family owned & had set up. Even the locals protested but the family were expelled from Indonesia only taking what they could carry. Going to the Netherlands was going to be alien to them so they settled in Australia. They nether talked about themselves at Dutch but as of business owners & were basically native to the Netherlands East Indies. The French plantation scene reminded me of them torn between the Dutch & the Indonesians. All we hear today is how colonisation was extremely harsh & cruel to the locals but not everyone was like that. Try telling that to those whose countries were colonised & they don't want a bar of it, they just want to tell you how bad colonisation was.
@killgoretrout9000
@killgoretrout9000 5 ай бұрын
Nothing is ever all one thing, even the nazi's for how awful they were did build an excellent highway system. People rarely present themselves or their ancestors as the villains in the stories they tell, so I'd take their version with a grain of salt. It could be that they were nice and wonderful or it could be that they saw themselves this way but the natives didn't or were at least more mixed in their opinions. I'm sure their were some house slaves who saw the end of slavery in the US. as a threat to their position but that wasn't the opinion of most slaves. Colonization is at it's heart exploitive and just because one can find aspects of it that were positive does not mean that it was overall beneficial to those colonized.
@1969Risky
@1969Risky 5 ай бұрын
@@killgoretrout9000 I know that my friends family were devout Christians & never had slaves. The worst they could have done was convert the locals. They intermarried with the locals & it wasn't by force. Not everyone was exploitive during the colonial years. It's hard to say about the family in Apocalypse Now. I'm first generation Australian & I get hit up that my ancestors were exploitive to the Aboriginals & none of my ancestors ever came to Australia. My parents came out here in the very late 1960's. I grew up with Aboriginals, went to school with them & played sports with them. The 4 Ella brothers that I grew up with played Rugby Union for Australia.
@killgoretrout9000
@killgoretrout9000 5 ай бұрын
@@1969Risky Saying they were devout Christians means nothing to me, history is littered with evil people who have made that very claim and even used their Christianity to morally defend evil acts. I never said they had slaves I just used an example from US slavery to show how just because a small group of the slaves may have been more circumspect about emancipation does not mean the institution of slavery itself was morally defensible, same goes for colonization. Chattel slavery is but one form of exploitation, look at something like medieval European serfdom they weren't chattel slaves who were bought and sold but they did not have freedom of movement and were required to labor on their feudal lord's land. Plenty of similar examples occur within colonization and even without look at something like sharecropping in the 19th and 20th century US. I do not know the particulars of your friends family, only that I would be more circumspect about getting only one side of the story and even if they were as kind and wonderful as they claim that does not mean that Dutch colonization of Indonesia was overall beneficial to it's inhabitants, in fact quite the opposite.
@bunk95
@bunk95 5 ай бұрын
Those featured can only be marketed as actors/etc. after all.
@woodman3179
@woodman3179 2 ай бұрын
The dutch were terrible in Indonesia from the very start. Creating a monopoly on commodities, then forcing natives to sell for a pittance. That's what built all those mansions in Amsterdam
@michaelwills1926
@michaelwills1926 6 ай бұрын
I love this sequence in the recut version. As apparently intended, the entire scene is dreamlike, ghosts of Indocine emerging from the mist, the sillouette perfectly captured; the house like an elevated structure among the canopy of surrounding tropical forests. Ironically the set dressing was lost in the final print but the whole thing is an oasis in the war zone. Lovely work in every regard
@Paul47Tat
@Paul47Tat 4 ай бұрын
The ENTIRE MOVIE becomes dreamlike!! You haven't noticed that??!
@masterofreality1552
@masterofreality1552 5 ай бұрын
One of my favorite lines from the movie.The female tells Shean that "there are two of you,one that loves and one that kills"
@NathanSmith-xf7rk
@NathanSmith-xf7rk 12 күн бұрын
While they smoke the opiun😵‍💫
@DrNothing23
@DrNothing23 6 ай бұрын
My favorite part of this film is how each stop along their river trip was designed, in the story, to be representing points in the history of Vietnam, itself. This sequence, for instance, represented the French colonization back in the 19th century.
@Alex-cw3rz
@Alex-cw3rz 6 ай бұрын
What era do the playboy model represent?
@DrNothing23
@DrNothing23 6 ай бұрын
@@Alex-cw3rz The river journey in the film is often interpreted as a metaphorical journey through various aspects of Vietnamese history and American involvement in Vietnam, though it's important to note that these interpretations can be subjective and are not explicitly stated in the film. The US Army Base: This represents the contemporary (1970s) American military presence in Vietnam. The chaos and disorganization of the base reflect the confusion and moral ambiguity of the war. The Playboy Bunny Show: This stop is often seen as a representation of American culture and its export to Vietnam during the war. The show symbolizes the intrusion of American entertainment and consumerism into the war-torn country. The Do Lung Bridge (The Last Army Outpost): This area, where the bridge is constantly being repaired and destroyed, symbolizes the endless, cyclical nature of war and its futility. It can also be seen as a representation of the front line of the war and the psychological impact it had on soldiers. The Tiger in the Jungle: While not a stop per se, the encounter with the tiger in the jungle is significant. It represents the unpredictable and perilous nature of the Vietnamese jungle, as well as the unseen dangers that soldiers faced, both literally and metaphorically. The French Plantation: This part of the journey explicitly represents the French colonial era in Vietnam. It highlights the historical roots of the conflict in Vietnam, predating American involvement. Kurtz's Compound: The final destination, this area represents the ultimate moral and psychological degeneration brought about by the war. Colonel Kurtz, who has set himself up as a demigod among the local tribespeople, embodies the extreme consequences of prolonged exposure to the violence and madness of war.
@PolishGod1234
@PolishGod1234 6 ай бұрын
​@@DrNothing23I'd argue that Kurtz represents the war itself at its core. Kurtz is the war - his followers are primitive men (showing that War existed since dawn of Man), he's ruthless and unforgiving, yet he draws people to himself like flies to shit (sorry) - especialy best seen in the scene where Kurtz is surrounded by kids who are symbol of future soldiers. Humanity was always fascinated by war, and everyone (excluding Willard) who had contact with Kurtz eventualy went on his side.
@TheRealNormanBates
@TheRealNormanBates 6 ай бұрын
@@Alex-cw3rz I think that scene more represented how both the soldiers and the playmates were conditioned to do things a normal person would find humiliating or obscene, but by this point they're ready and willing to do whatever to takes to do their job and get the hell back home. It is easy to think of a soldier as a walking gun with no childhood, or jerk off to a Playboy playmate and forget that she is someone's daughter.
@happinesstan
@happinesstan 6 ай бұрын
@@Alex-cw3rz You don't think Playboy is relevant to Vietnamese history?
@jippalippa
@jippalippa 6 ай бұрын
The redux version is my favourite.
@PolishGod1234
@PolishGod1234 6 ай бұрын
Same
@styven77
@styven77 4 ай бұрын
I prefer the theatrical cut, I don't like the changes in timelines and the surfboard sub plot.
@oliverholmes-gunning5372
@oliverholmes-gunning5372 2 ай бұрын
Likewise. We're in the minority, though. I definitely think many of the criticisms of the Redux versions are valid, but for the French plantation scene alone it has to be the best version, the movie just isn't the same without it. Personally I also like the scene with the stranded Playboy bunnies, although in that case I can definitely see why it was cut from the original release, it does mess up the pacing somewhat and isn't strictly necessary. I just think because the film sucks you into its world so much that any additional world-building adds to the experience, even if it's not ideal from a strictly editing and pacing perspective.
@darkcornersuk
@darkcornersuk Ай бұрын
Mine too ❤❤
@rc59191
@rc59191 6 ай бұрын
The French plantation was always my favorite scene. It really helped to give a good insight into why we were in Vietnam. The part where they talk about Dien Bien Phu always gives me goosebumps.
@vrishnikgupta
@vrishnikgupta 5 ай бұрын
Dien Bien Phu="Voluntary mistake!" I started reading about that battle because of this scene. Recommend you watch Pierre Schoendoerffer's film on the battle
@vincentgoupil180
@vincentgoupil180 5 ай бұрын
@@vrishnikgupta Why is Dien Bein Phu a " voluntary mistake" ?
@vrishnikgupta
@vrishnikgupta 5 ай бұрын
@@vincentgoupil180 oh I was just referring to what they said in the French plantation scene regarding the battle
@cargaisontuba3361
@cargaisontuba3361 Ай бұрын
​@@vincentgoupil180a battle ordered by the politics but they didnt give the ressources
@vincentgoupil180
@vincentgoupil180 Ай бұрын
@@cargaisontuba3361 Also, the French army general *Henri Eugene Navarre* . Dien Bein Phu was his top to bottom strategic to tactical FUBAR (Fked Up Beyond Any Repair) plan. In hindsight almost as it was done "voluntarily" to throw the French army under the bus and get kicked out of Indochina.
@donelson52
@donelson52 5 ай бұрын
Personally, for me, this is the single most important part of the movie. It is the counterpoint to the cruelty and desperation of the rest of the movie. It also offers a powerful chance for Willard to escape the mission, which challenges his humanity. Wonderful, magical
@mostlynew
@mostlynew 5 ай бұрын
Easily the most interesting and relatable segment of the Redux version. I believe all of the actor’s performances were superb.
@painkiller346
@painkiller346 6 ай бұрын
building a kitchen in the set is total and beautiful madness
@richardchapman6340
@richardchapman6340 6 ай бұрын
The redux version is my favorite with these scenes in , it works for me . It's a bit like the Paris Peace accords .
@PolishGod1234
@PolishGod1234 6 ай бұрын
Same
@iker8010
@iker8010 4 ай бұрын
I stumbled upon it, having watched the final cut and I much preferred the redux
@user-rs4gr9yq4u
@user-rs4gr9yq4u 6 ай бұрын
I have to agree with Coppola’s thoughts on food in a scene. Some of my favourite scenes of his films involve food and the drama that proceeds. I.e. Michael with Solozzo and McCluskey in The Godfather. The French plantation scene was always one of my favourite additions of the Redux cut.
@MTimWeaver
@MTimWeaver 6 ай бұрын
"The French plantation scene was always one of my favourite additions of the Redux cut. " Agreed
@yannick245
@yannick245 5 ай бұрын
But it's an anachronism! There were no French left back during this time. Besides some missionaries, they all left the country with the military. There were no _"hold-out_ planters in the late 60's. None...
@loganstroganoff1284
@loganstroganoff1284 5 ай бұрын
​@@yannick245you may be right but its not beyond the realm of possibility there were hold outs in the 60s therefore it works for the movie.
@yannick245
@yannick245 5 ай бұрын
@@loganstroganoff1284 No! There definitely were none! The Vietnamese would've burned down their plantation. In no way would the Vietnamese tolerate such hold-outs. Whether in the North or South...
@PolishGod1234
@PolishGod1234 5 ай бұрын
@@yannick245 have you taken into consideration that these people and whole plantation might not even be real at all? It genuinely feels like a dream.
@karlkarlos3545
@karlkarlos3545 6 ай бұрын
I love that cut after 25:48 during George Lucas' candit comment. It looks like Martin Sheen is saying "look who is talking. It's that guy."
@imxploring
@imxploring 5 ай бұрын
In a movie with so many incredible scenes.... this sequence holds its own and adds a fantastic part of history and a side story to the movie. Well worth the time, effort, and money it took to make it happen!
@robertcongdon6296
@robertcongdon6296 6 ай бұрын
I have the Redux version, and while it doesn't add much to the narrative of Willard going down the river, I like the french plantation scene. It's interesting, beautifully shot, and it's the first time I ever saw Aurore Clément, for which I am grateful.
@yannick245
@yannick245 5 ай бұрын
But it's an anachronism! There were no French left back during this time. Besides some missionaries, they all left the country with the military. There were no _"hold-out_ planters in the late 60's. None...
@BatCaveOz
@BatCaveOz 5 ай бұрын
They were going up the river.
@TheLaFleur
@TheLaFleur 2 ай бұрын
​@@yannick245 it doesn't matter, the point of the scene is to show the last vestiges of colonialism holding on against the inevitable. Like the american army holding on to a war they're going to inevitably loose
@yannick245
@yannick245 2 ай бұрын
@@TheLaFleur To me, it does matter. Because it doesn't make sense.
@TheLaFleur
@TheLaFleur 2 ай бұрын
@@yannick245 not everything is historical, specially when you're talking about art in cinema, the movie touch subjects like colonization and imperialism, as well the lack of humanity in a senseless conflict, lots of things don't make sense in the movie since already they're descending into hell in a boat
@donnywynne3105
@donnywynne3105 Ай бұрын
I like to think that Captain Willard returned to the plantation after dealing with Colonel Kurtz. Especially when he said "They were gonna make me a Major for this, and I wasn't even in their f*ckin' army anymore".
@jameslowman1355
@jameslowman1355 22 күн бұрын
Me too and he found peace at last
@HJ-ju4ui
@HJ-ju4ui 6 ай бұрын
I personally love Final Cut the most because it trims the fat a little bit but keeps to me important bits like to french sequence, Cleans funeral and one of my favorites the board stealing bit😂. I felt the original to be too bare bones and the redux to be too much but the Final Cut is the golden medium to me.
@TheRealNormanBates
@TheRealNormanBates 6 ай бұрын
funnily enough, I do not care at all for the "surfboard stealing" scene. It is completely out of character for Willard (would have made more sense if Lance was the one who stole it.. and not as a practical joke, but as a souvenir for meeting a "great man"). I would have rather had the Playmate scene simply because it humanizes the women, and correlates the playmates with the soldiers: both are doing things they might have considered immoral at some point in their life, but now they only care about doing their job and getting home. I am still disappointed that Coppola still does not include the "devolution of weapons" scene, where Willard rises out of the water with a standard issue K-bar knife, kills a guard to get a spear, which he runs through a child to kill another guard to get his weapon, which is some piecemeal machete, which he uses on Kurtz.
@PolishGod1234
@PolishGod1234 6 ай бұрын
@@TheRealNormanBates Willard stealing his board isn't totally out of character, Kilgore ignored and made fun of Willard in many occasions and wasted a lot of his time, he was supposed to transport the boat to the Nung River. It was just Willard's way to get a small revenge on a crazy lunatic like Kilgore
@beckobert
@beckobert 6 ай бұрын
I agree that the plantation scene in Final cut is the perfect "amount" of French plantation scene. But I still don't like surf board scene. It just doesn't suit Willard's character to endanger the mission to get some petty revenge. And even less that he enjoys the petty revenge so much.
@bunk95
@bunk95 5 ай бұрын
You watch the entire thing? Are you aware of being harmed?
@PolishGod1234
@PolishGod1234 5 ай бұрын
@@bunk95 what do you mean by harmed? Its a movie
@GUISNIP
@GUISNIP 5 ай бұрын
Just recently rewatched the Redux cut and I love the French Plantation scene. It may not add much to the overall MISSION in the film, but does add some interesting historical context, as well as a bit of a respite from the mayhem.
@pyrostooge78
@pyrostooge78 6 ай бұрын
My day always gets brighter when I see this upload. I have something awesome to watch with my coffee and cigarettes. I'm not super familiar with this sequence of the film, so this was a super insightful episode. Fascinating history too. Good stuff as always. You're putting together a really great thing here.
@thecandyman9308
@thecandyman9308 5 күн бұрын
It's one of those: on the one hand, I can see why cutting it from the film made sense. On the other, I came to know the film on DVD with it included viewed in a home setting, so the extra time included was ultimately worth it and more rewarding. However, throwing this out into the universe the first time w/ it cut was the one that made the most sense at the time. Fortunately for us, the market allowed us to have the expanded one.
@chrisprescott2273
@chrisprescott2273 6 ай бұрын
I'm glad this video popped up in my feed. Redux was the first version I saw, and I always thought the sequence seemed out of place with the rest of the film, but in a good way. A dreamy way. Like the calm before a storm or the eye of a hurricane.
@moonasha
@moonasha 5 ай бұрын
I always felt there was something very offputting about this scene, how it felt... anachronistic, and dreamlike. After seeing this video, Coppola totally nailed it.
@RanDyLan
@RanDyLan 6 ай бұрын
Pure “Cinema Tyler” Gold….as always, as expected, as delivered! Congratulations, and thank you for astounding us, educating us, and entertaining us!
@insanejughead
@insanejughead 6 ай бұрын
YES!! Been waiting years for your take on this! Thank you!
@danieljohnson5595
@danieljohnson5595 5 ай бұрын
You're killing it with this content man, really gives me a whole new perspective on a film I've seen many times. Keep up the great work!
@ryangettig274
@ryangettig274 6 ай бұрын
Love the exposition in the French Plantation Sequence:)Cinema Tyler-great material being shared far & wide!:)
@_GhostGarden_
@_GhostGarden_ 5 ай бұрын
I dont know how you have been doing this series, and your other stuff, for so long with such amazing quality. I am always incredibly impressed and have watched all of your videos multiple times and will continue to watch them.
@CornishCreamtea07
@CornishCreamtea07 6 ай бұрын
I understand this sequence has its downsides and runs a bit too long, though the Final Cut might have fixed that. However, I feel it has merit, in some ways, for the exact same reason people dislike it. It's like a pit stop, it allows the characters to rest up. We never really see them rest up after the Valkyrie sequence, so having them stay the night here and have a large meal fills that in. I also like how they interact with someone other than fellow Americans, it shows the history of the country.
@happinesstan
@happinesstan 6 ай бұрын
It was just Coppola treating the crew, after the gruelling schedule. Make it a scene and the company pays.
@CornishCreamtea07
@CornishCreamtea07 6 ай бұрын
@@happinesstan The company paying being Coppola.
@happinesstan
@happinesstan 6 ай бұрын
@@CornishCreamtea07 Have you ever owned a company?
@xXMapleVodkaXx
@xXMapleVodkaXx 6 ай бұрын
​@@happinesstanI just peed into my own pants
@indycharlie
@indycharlie 2 ай бұрын
Ah , the French Plantations . I saw a bunch ! The most interesting one was at Quan Loi . The plantation owner there had a very nice home with a POOL , and two cute Eurasian daughters who were beautiful . He allowed the U.S. guys stationed there to swim in his pool once a week .I was not stationed at QL , we were just working out of there . Stay strong , brothers .. doc 68-71
@mortie638
@mortie638 6 ай бұрын
One of my favourite scenes in the film. So weird and beautiful.
@blackhawk7r221
@blackhawk7r221 Ай бұрын
The source for Coppola was Michael Herr’s book, “Dispatches”. Herr was a journalist who spent time in Vietnam, and his book is a collection of his encounters. Coppola strung these stories together to create the movie. The book is written from the perspective of a normal recreational drug using American and his journalist friends, not from the perspective of a soldier. Coppola attempted to recreate this outsider perspective through CPT Willard.
@Medevicerep
@Medevicerep 5 ай бұрын
I love the plantation scene. The French honor the death of the Chief with a respectful military funeral. Putting the French experience into the movie helps to explain how all the madness started.
@bunk95
@bunk95 5 ай бұрын
Baldwin could hear the sea from Paris. France is [fake].
@richardadesmond
@richardadesmond 6 ай бұрын
it's a bit metaphorical, given that French cuisine is indulgent, and how deep Coppola got indulgent with this sequence that he got sick of it, just like indulging in the aforementioned regional food. Lucas nailed though tbh. Another banger, CT. Thank you so much.
@jsXanatos
@jsXanatos 6 ай бұрын
Chef survives the movie and becomes the pawn store owner in falling down. Coppola said this is canon
@garagemetalshop7975
@garagemetalshop7975 2 ай бұрын
He was decapitated, how do you survive that?
@thecandyman9308
@thecandyman9308 5 күн бұрын
@@garagemetalshop7975 It was a hullicination from Willard.
@garrettchristensen8074
@garrettchristensen8074 6 ай бұрын
I saw Redux in the theater and found the film ground to a screeching halt during this sequence.
@orgonsolo6291
@orgonsolo6291 5 ай бұрын
I really love how you go som in depth on these movies, ESP. Apocalypse Now. Keep up the awesome work!
@thejammod
@thejammod 6 ай бұрын
The theatrical cut is my favourite, it's the better version of the film in terms of pace. Interesting to note that Willard doesn't do anything until the midpoint of the film when he kills the boat woman, until then he's an observer.
@PolishGod1234
@PolishGod1234 6 ай бұрын
Funny, because for me theatrical is the worst when It comes to pacing. Its too fast, almost like an action film.
@szinyk
@szinyk 6 ай бұрын
Always a great day when an episode of this series comes out.
@silverwheel
@silverwheel 6 ай бұрын
I saw Redux in a theater, and the plantation scene benefitted quite a bit from coming right after an intermission. There, I didn't mind, but if I'm watching the movie in one swoop, I can't stand it.
@bigbaddms
@bigbaddms 2 ай бұрын
It makes me think the movie should have been split into two parts. Each part about 2 hours.
@damnley2323
@damnley2323 5 ай бұрын
I saw the redux in 2001 and thouroughly enjoyed the French plantation scene. I think the film needed a break from the travel, it was in many ways awkward to the narrative, but it brought out a potent, recent history that the sheer presence of the French in the jungle provided. Here we find, invading Americans, in a foreign land, doing arrogant, risky things...that ties to the French, who were there, like ghosts consulting with the present invaders. It was spooky and strangely comforting.
@GA-1st
@GA-1st 6 ай бұрын
You're right, it is superfluous. So why insert it in the "Final Cut,," except as an incentive for fans to invest yet again in another physical media product? It's the gift that keeps on giving for Coppola, Lionsgate, whoever else has a stake in it...
@NigelTufnel612
@NigelTufnel612 4 ай бұрын
I have always loved that scene and it fit well into the journey. The lighting of the dinner reminded me of the Barry Lyndon pub scene filmed in candlelight - it was breathtaking.
@Simone-Bucn
@Simone-Bucn 2 ай бұрын
Barry Lyndon was on another level entirely. One of the most underappreciated films ever.
@halfstep44
@halfstep44 5 ай бұрын
THANK YOU for finally releasing this vid!!!!!
@thunderstruck5484
@thunderstruck5484 6 ай бұрын
Thank you for another amazing in depth analysis of this film , I’m still happy with the theatrical version I saw at the theater, but now it’s great to see everything cut out and appreciate ít more
@Average_Internet_DMC_420
@Average_Internet_DMC_420 6 ай бұрын
great detailed breakdown, still learning new things about my favorite film
@vincentgoupil180
@vincentgoupil180 5 ай бұрын
If I remember right Willard in one of the first screenplays goes back to the boat at night to remove the ammo and weapons from their crates, stashes it under the floorboards and substitutes a body(s) he killed, in anticipation of the supplies being reappropiatred, while on opium.
@kyle47922
@kyle47922 5 ай бұрын
I love that scene in Apocalypse Now. And Francis Ford Coppola was right it going back in time.
@jaykpjohnson
@jaykpjohnson 6 ай бұрын
I've always felt this was like a short film within the movie, one that boils down to the duality of man line 'there are two of you, don't you see, one who kills and one who loves". Really love the scene and glad it exists in Redux, but it does slow the river pacing enough that I also like the original without it
@d4mdcykey
@d4mdcykey 6 ай бұрын
Once again, very impressive and excellent work, sir.
@dariocaporuscio8701
@dariocaporuscio8701 6 ай бұрын
When I saw the final cut for the first time I was very impressed that such an incredible scene was cut out. But I have to say, it does change the overall tone quite a bit and I find it interesting to compare it to the original theatrical version, two versions that are great in their own way
@richardmalcolm1457
@richardmalcolm1457 5 ай бұрын
Roger Ebert's full commentary on the sequence: "It is the French plantation sequence that gives me the most pause. It is long enough, I think, that is distracts from the overall arc of the movie. The river journey sets the rhythm of the film, and too much time on the banks interrupts it (there is the same problem with the feuding families in Huckleberry Finn). Yet the sequence is effective and provoking (despite the inappropriate music during the love scene). It helps me to understand it when Coppola explains that he sees the French like ghosts; I questioned how they had survived in their little enclave, and accept his feeling that their spirits survive as a cautionary specter for the Americans."
@emiliog.4432
@emiliog.4432 6 ай бұрын
Great channel. Channels like this make YT worth watching.
@northpointaxe6167
@northpointaxe6167 4 ай бұрын
I lived in a past plantation in cambodia, lived there for 4 years, my son was born there as well. What a great house that was, beautifully designed and great layout.
@kamuelalee
@kamuelalee 6 ай бұрын
The French Plantation sequence was no doubt ambitious but ultimately unnecessary to the final film. Having said that, Aurore Clément in this scene and later in Paris, Texas, fantastique!!!
@PolishGod1234
@PolishGod1234 6 ай бұрын
Disagree that it was unnecesary, here are the reasons for it being neccesary : -one of the main themes of the film is going back in time, this scene makes that statement stronger as It goes from modern military to French colonists then to primitive tribe of Kurtz -its adds more Bizzare nature to the film. Journey up the nung River is supposed to be weird, and psychodelic and this scene first those criterias, It feels dream-like or like ghosts from the past who can't escape their bubble. -one of the themes of the film is duality of Man, final scene of French plantation mentions that, and the French girl was probably the major driving force influencing Willard with his final choice of not dropping the bomb on tribe. -its helps with the awkward cut from Clean getting killed to Chief dying in theatrical, I hated how Chief's death happens a scene after Clean's death, It felt rushed.
@kamuelalee
@kamuelalee 6 ай бұрын
@@PolishGod1234 Good points, but this segment -- like the elongated Playboy bunny scenes following the stage performance (though not wholly objectionable) -- only slowed and bogged the film down, at least for me. I agree with you the French Plantation segment does add a bizarre quality or dimension to the film but for me it ultimately gets too far away from the basic plot of the film, Captain Willard's mission to assassinate Colonel Kurtz. Obviously, as Tyler's vid demonstrated, it gave Coppola huge problems and at least for the 1979 theatrical run of "Apocalypse Now" the director wisely left that segment out.
@binghamguevara6814
@binghamguevara6814 5 күн бұрын
“All soldiers know they are already dead”. Best line from the plantation.
@wrcurley
@wrcurley 5 ай бұрын
This film is one of the great cinematic achievements. You walk away thinking, now everything will change. But nothing does. Nothing ever does.
@arlieferguson7442
@arlieferguson7442 5 ай бұрын
I remember seeing this when IFC showed such things. Actually one of my favorite scenes.
@peeeeeeeeeeterable
@peeeeeeeeeeterable 6 ай бұрын
ooooh yeah now this is a good Saturday eve!!
@dynjarren7523
@dynjarren7523 5 ай бұрын
This sequence is brilliant! I enjoyed all the extra footage in the Redux Deluxe DVD. But if Coppola had left it all in it would have been a 4 hour movie. Way too long for release. But I found all the footage fascinating. I thought it improved an already great film. Thanks for the examination of this lost footage.
@Dominicn123
@Dominicn123 6 ай бұрын
I freaking love this series so much, I’m big on KZfaq and have a LOT of likes but this ongoing series is my absolute favorite, out of dozens. This is top notch coverage of my favorite film of all time, only the most intelligent will understand the brilliance of this film
@davehandelman2832
@davehandelman2832 6 ай бұрын
This scene was so weird but I'm really really glad you finally told me what's up, Tyler!
@coffeeNTrees
@coffeeNTrees 6 ай бұрын
thanks for all you do man.
@midnightcassettelibrary5171
@midnightcassettelibrary5171 5 ай бұрын
Thanks for making content that offers some original insight and info.
@bearcb
@bearcb 6 ай бұрын
This sequence takes the movie to another level, showing the war in the context of western colonialism. I was surprised that Copolla himself rejected it, I thought it was heartfeltly cut out to fit the target length. It was the best thing recovered in the Redux version.
@PolishGod1234
@PolishGod1234 6 ай бұрын
Imo this scene and scene with Kurtz reading time magazine to Willard are the best scenes added by redux.
@teaguehigginsfrost5254
@teaguehigginsfrost5254 6 ай бұрын
Always a good start to the day when you see one of these 😁
@sharpbends
@sharpbends 6 ай бұрын
This scene added so much context it deserved to be included
@yannick245
@yannick245 5 ай бұрын
But it's an anachronism! There were no French left back during this time. Captain Willard mentioned hundreds of them. This is just fiction. Besides some missionaries, they all left the country with the military. There were no _"hold-out_ planters in the late 60's. None...
@sharpbends
@sharpbends 5 ай бұрын
​@@yannick245True perhaps, but as Coppola said in an interview it was meant to portray going back in time to the 1950's approximately when the French colonials were still present. (When Vietnamese boat refugees were welcomed to my country they opened bakeries as the French had taught them how to bake French bread so their histories lived on.)
@kimtoannhan7275
@kimtoannhan7275 2 ай бұрын
​@@sharpbends the french was long gone but the french way of life never left Vietnam. Im talking as a south vietnamese. Colonial time was bad but the French did bring us the western civilization. Many aspects of life were in fact better during the French time than now. In the colonial time many vietnameses were dreaming about making Vietnam a strong and independent nation. Now the majority just want to make quick money and get the heck out of this miserable place. Even those first class privileged citizens are doing the same😢
@timpayne7676
@timpayne7676 6 ай бұрын
Another superb video. Always super interesting
@petervitti9
@petervitti9 2 ай бұрын
This is one of my favorite scenes of the movie. I just love how end-of-era of the French plantation scene is.
@Chris-vz7en
@Chris-vz7en 2 ай бұрын
All I know is I love that scene for that one part when the accordion guy falls down. Cracks me up every time.
@dannyfubar3099
@dannyfubar3099 5 ай бұрын
Excellent post, thank you for sharing.
@Nowhere888
@Nowhere888 4 ай бұрын
Apocalypse Now was inspired by the book "Street Without Joy" that chronicled the experience of the French in Vietnam. The plantation scene summarizes the French experience in Vietnam concisely. The story of Col. Kurtz is based loosely on the story of Col. David Hackworth in his autobiography "About Face." Hackworth had the best kill ratio in Vietnam due to jungle warfare techniques taught to him by the Australian SAS but Hackworth spoke out against the corruption of Washington letting US soldiers die needlessly in Vietnam. The CIA then tried to assassinate Hackworth many time both in Vietnam and on US soil forcing Hackworth to flee to Australia. Hackworth is still a controversial figure in the culture of the US military to this day between the conventional warfare thinking of the top brass and the growth of influence of the special forces community.
@johnnynephrite6147
@johnnynephrite6147 5 ай бұрын
I thought this scene added a better context for the premise of the movie. Interestingly, I had the opportunity to watch this version of the movie with an Anglo Frenchman who lived on a Vietnamese rubber plantation until he was 12 years old.
@Julio_AD6
@Julio_AD6 6 ай бұрын
Always Quality Research 🎬 Thank you*
@F_Bardamu
@F_Bardamu 6 ай бұрын
The meal scene should have been much shorter. The endless monologue by the French plantation owner is what kills it. Coppola would have been better off adding some voice over on this scene and keeping the dialogs for the more intimate bed scene. Also, shooting at dawn when you have paid for such an expensive and good looking set is kind of a weird decision.
@madahad9
@madahad9 6 ай бұрын
I will always prefer the original theatrical cut to the extended versions. Keeping the story straightforward and focused was the best decision and those scenes reinstated for the Redux version added nothing of any significant value to the story. I did like the few new scenes with Brando and found it strange that they were removed from the Final Cut version. At least Coppola removed the sequence with the stranded Playboy bunnies. The French plantation sequence is just too long. If it was just a little shorter it might have been tolerable but it just goes on and on. I doubt that we've seen the "final version" as there is probably still hours of footage in his possession. Some was included in the Special Features sections of recent releases. I bought the Complete Dossier version many years ago just to hear Brando do a full recitation of the T. S. Eliot poem The Hollow Men, which we only hear a few lines in the actual film. It was accompanied by a lot of raw footage that looked like a Werner Herzog film.
@yannick245
@yannick245 5 ай бұрын
I just love Werner Herzog. It's sad that he doesn't do epic dramas anymore. But his documentaries are always great watch too. His voice is perfect for narration. So soothing. The series with him doing interviews with people that got sentenced to death in Texas, is available here on KZfaq. Last time I checked.
@jim586
@jim586 5 ай бұрын
I totally agree with you. I love this film as many people do. The original version is the better film and by some margin. The decision to remove the scenes added to the redux and the final was the correct one. Yes they are beautiful and yes to fans they are a wonderful, add on. But do they improve the film? Not in my opinion. What’s interesting is I honestly believe Coppola was an intuitive film maker and also could listen to others. It’s a pity Scorsese doesn’t take a leaf out of his book. His last two pictures have been bloated and over long. They could’ve told the same story with 60 minutes cut out. I know they were made for home viewing but still.
@macfilms9904
@macfilms9904 6 ай бұрын
While I always saw this scene as a way to educate Americans on a bit of the history of French Indochina, it feels wrong for the pacing of the film - interrupting the journey to Kutrz & madness. It also felt like a way to add a bit of sex to a war movie - which didn't feel right moodwise at all - given Clean's death. You feel like Willard is on this physical journey upriver, but also on a spiritual journey discovering how empty he is, how cold & separated from those around him - earlier companionship and hijinx like stealing Kilgore's surfboard, have to give way to the Captain who executes the wounded sanpan girl & uses the crew up in getting to his goal - the tenderness, sexual attraction & the feasting all interrupt this journey/ transformation, so despite being an interesting scene on its own, it detracts from the actual storyline & tone at this point & the film is better without it.
@PolishGod1234
@PolishGod1234 6 ай бұрын
How does It detract from the tone of the film? It adds to the Bizzare nature of the Nung River. In theatrical the journey up the river after crossing Do Lung bridge, before Kurtz Compound feels too normal its basicaly just Clean and Chef dying, the added French plantation adds to the dream-like Bizzare Vibe of the river after crossing the bridge, the River is supposed to feel alien-like and without a sense after the bridge, theatrical version fails to portray that Vibe.
@chimangoestudios
@chimangoestudios 6 ай бұрын
Totally agree
@vincentgoupil180
@vincentgoupil180 5 ай бұрын
So Clean's death demands celibacy ?
@loganstroganoff1284
@loganstroganoff1284 5 ай бұрын
I love the french plantation scene despite it being unnecessary to the overall plot. As a standalone its just beautiful. As many have noted it has a dreamy quality,especially in the opium scene. From roxannes hypnotic voice to the gauzy effect created when shes behind the bed curtain..idk it just recreates the tranquil, dreamy effect of smoked opium so well.
@williamthompson2941
@williamthompson2941 5 ай бұрын
This was so good - thankyou
@fembotheather3785
@fembotheather3785 6 ай бұрын
My reaction to the scene when I first saw it was that it was like the boat had landed in a different movie- a movie I wanted to see, but as an actual separate movie because it really didn't fit here. I still want to see the movie about that French rubber plantation.
@flamingmoe1805
@flamingmoe1805 5 ай бұрын
Cool idea. What an interesting sequel
@cybercheese3
@cybercheese3 2 ай бұрын
Really interesting stuff, thanks for sharing.
@aleks1939
@aleks1939 2 ай бұрын
It's one of my favorite scenes from the movie. So glad it was restored.
@user-wv5fq8di2m
@user-wv5fq8di2m 5 ай бұрын
Excellent video - Thanks!
@bdwatson814
@bdwatson814 3 ай бұрын
That scene shot during the "golden hour" was brilliant, that beautiful warm light reminds me of a Rembrandt painting.
@_Clem_H_Fandango_
@_Clem_H_Fandango_ 5 ай бұрын
Chef didn't learn talk to them in French because he studied in Paris. He spoke French because he's Cajun, French is his blood.
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